: Stanislaus forest flap flaring over off-road vehicles


SonoraBob
04-06-2002, 07:41 PM
http://www.recordnet.com/daily/news/articles/2news040602.html

Notes leaked
Stanislaus forest flap flaring over off-road vehicles
By Audrey Cooper

Record Staff Writer

Sarcastic and curt notes from an internal meeting of Stanislaus National Forest officials have been leaked to state officials and threaten to derail forest managers' attempts to make peace with their many critics.

The notes were leaked to members of a state commission that hands out off-road-vehicle program grants in California. The notes detail discussions among 17 top forest managers on how to circumvent the state Off-Road Motorized Vehicle Recreation Commission.

In the notes, the forest officials also admit they aren't working on developing a required map of all off-road-vehicle trails, despite promises to state officials.

Residents near the forest and off-road-vehicle users said Friday that they weren't surprised by the defiant language in the notes: Their pleas for a better ORV program have been ignored by forest officials for years, they say.

Off-road vehicles -- from four-wheel-drive sport utility vehicles to motorcycles -- have been blamed for noise, dust pollution and degradation of the forests. A well-managed plan can keep users in check and appease neighbors.

Forest officials said the meeting notes reflect a frank and open brainstorming session after a frustrating meeting with state officials. The meeting finally focused on how to build a better ORV program and work with the state.

The memo outlines how forest officials could manipulate the state Off-Road Motorized Vehicle Recreation Commission, which in February refused to give the national forest the $520,010 it requested.

The forest got $215,000 because of the commission's concerns over mismanagement of the forest's ORV program. The amount included $15,000 for a conflict-resolution program.

The memo includes suggestions that the forest "take the money and run," "fake it," "apply for (more) grant funds but don't plan on appearing before the commission," or ask ORV users to lobby the state commission for more funds.

Those alternatives are better than "subject(ing) ourselves to the treatment recently faced," according to the notes of the Feb. 27 brainstorming session, five days after the forest's 105th anniversary.

The meeting notes also mention that rangers aren't always sure when they can cite illegal ORV use.

With no easy-to-read map of legal trails and no clear regulatory authority, residents say they fear continued abuses by reckless ORV users.

A top forest official writing on behalf of Forest Supervisor Ben del Villar said in a letter to state authorities that the inflammatory language does not accurately reflect the officials' commitment to developing a program acceptable to ORV users and environmentalists.

Paul Spitler, a member of the state Off-Road Motorized Vehicle Recreation Commission, called the memo "bold, disrespectful and embarrassing."

Spitler may ask the attorney general to investigate whether the strategy session was an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars.

The meeting notes were leaked to state commission officials and threaten to destroy the already strained relationship between forest staff members and the state. Spitler said he was unwilling to give the forest any more money until it solves its problems.

"What bothers me the most is that they can't seem to take seriously the numerous concerns about sloppy ORV management and instead only want to kill the messenger instead of responding to the message," said Spitler, who also serves as executive director of the California Wilderness Coalition.

But del Villar said Friday that the state ORV commission has routinely and unfairly changed what it expects of forest managers. He also said the forest will develop a map of acceptable trails and invite the public into discussions on proper ORV policies.

That might help ease complaints from landowners and those who use off-road vehicles on the forest's 2,200 miles of unpaved roads and trails.

Don Klusman, a consultant for the California Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs Inc., argued against any state funding for the Stanislaus National Forest this year. It is the first time Klusman has asked the state not to give money for an ORV program.

"We're tired of seeing the money wasted. I think they're paying a lot of salaries and not putting the money on the ground where it belongs," he said.

Trail closures have limited legal opportunities for ORV users by 75 percent despite more than $1 million in state grant money over the past 10 years, Klusman said.

With trails routinely closed and never reopened, users are forced to create and use illegal trails, he said.

And ORV use on illegal trails has frustrated residents who live in an 8,600-acre area near Arnold known as the Interface.

Resident Judith Spencer, a member of the community group Commitment to Our Recreational Environment, said ORV users recreate nearly in her back yard. The dust and noise gets worse each year forest managers delay planning decisions for the area, she said.

Forest spokesman Pat Kaunert said forest officials have worked hard to maintain certain trails and designate an appropriate ORV program.

Forest officials are scheduled to meet today with members of the public over their grant applications for next year. The meeting is scheduled for 10 a.m. at the forest headquarters, 19777 Greenley Road in Sonora.

* To reach reporter Audrey Cooper phone 546-8298 or e-mail
acooper@recordnet.com

SonoraBob
04-06-2002, 07:55 PM
The Chronicles version.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/04/06/MN116672.DTL&type=printable

Forest Service plotting for off-road funds
Stanislaus staff seeks state cash for new trails
Glen Martin, Chronicle Environment Writer
Saturday, April 6, 2002
©2002 San Francisco Chronicle




U.S. Forest Service officials have proposed a variety of inappropriate and even fraudulent strategies for obtaining money to promote off-road vehicle use in the central Sierra Nevada, an internal agency memo shows.

The memo, which circulated among staff members of the Stanislaus National Forest, also urged recruiting off-road vehicle clubs to lobby a state commission to support the Forest Service's off-road programs. A copy of the memo was obtained by The Chronicle.

The use of off-road vehicles such as dirt bikes, all-terrain vehicles and dune buggies on public land has long been a bone of contention between environmental groups and off-road enthusiasts. The memo surfaces at a time when that controversy is growing.

Since taking office, the Bush administration has loosened off-road constraints, killing a Clinton administration plan to phase out snowmobiles in Yellowstone National Park over three years.

And last week, the U.S. Bureau of Land Management proposed reopening 50,000 acres of environmentally sensitive California desertland to dune buggies; the federal tract was closed to off-road use by Clinton administration officials.

Disclosure of the Forest Service memo is likely to further inflame the controversy over motorized vehicles on public wildlands. Both off-road critics and advocates say the memo demonstrates the Forest Service is unable to craft a coherent off-highway vehicle policy for the Stanislaus -- and perhaps other national forests as well.

The memo concerns the troubled relationship between managers of the Stanislaus Forest, in the east-central Sierra Nevada, and the California Off- Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation Commission, which oversees off-road motoring in California and disburses state funds to other government agencies for off- road programs.

To the frustration of Forest Service staff members, the Stanislaus has suffered funding cuts from the commission in recent years because of state dissatisfaction over the Forest Service's failure to designate sanctioned off- road routes.

The commission also is concerned about increasing complaints from local citizens about the noise and environmental impacts associated with dirt bikes and all-terrain vehicles.

The memo covered a meeting held among Stanislaus forest managers to discuss two things: perceived disrespectful treatment of Forest Service staff members by commission members and strategies for obtaining commission funds.

Several strategies for obtaining funding from the commission were described in the memo as such:

-- "Take the money (for off-road projects on the Stanislaus) and run!"

-- "Fake it! Apply for funds during the upcoming cycle, and see what progress we have made over the next few months." If Stanislaus forest managers are still unhappy with the commission's attitude at the end of that time, the memo notes, the Forest Service could "pull out" of discussions.

Paul Spitler, an off-road commission member and the executive director of the California Wilderness Coalition, said he was outraged by the memo.

" 'Take the money and run,' 'Fake it' -- the tone is completely nefarious," Spitler said. "It suggests a conspiracy on the part of the Forest Service to defraud the state of California and rip off the forest's public users."

The memo also promoted using off-road clubs to make the Forest Service's case to the commission for proposed off-road trails on the Stanislaus.

"A user group (could) present our Power Point presentation, or notify the commission that we will not be present at the hearing until our concerns (about hostile treatment) are adequately addressed," the memo states.

Ben del Villar, superintendent for the Stanislaus forest, said the memo was a draft meant for internal use and should not be construed as forest policy. Despite the impression left by the memo, he added, the Forest Service tries to address the interests of a broad array of user groups.

"Off-highway vehicle use is just one of the many opportunities we try to provide on our lands, but we don't limit our (comment) invitations to specific user groups," del Villar said.

E-mail Glen Martin at glenmartin@sfchronicle.com.

©2002 San Francisco Chronicle Page A - 3

Alpo
04-06-2002, 08:05 PM
All I could think while reading these was that the greenies are going to use this against use somehow. :( :(

Eric

SonoraBob
04-09-2002, 08:17 PM
Another related article.

http://www.recordnet.com/7dayarchive/040702/news/3news040702.html

Tense meeting
Off-road vehicle groups criticize
U.S. Forest Service
By Audrey Cooper

Record Staff Writer

SONORA -- Forget politics; it's the U.S. Forest Service making strange bedfellows in the Mother Lode.

About 100 off-road vehicle users, environmentalists and landowners accused embattled Stanislaus National Forest officials Saturday of mismanaging the forest's program for dirt-bike riders, all-terrain-
vehicle owners and other ORV enthusiasts.

The public meeting comes after inflammatory notes from an internal meeting of forest managers were made public. The notes suggest ways to manipulate the state commission that hands out grants for ORV programs.

That commission recently gave the forest less than half of the $520,000 it requested for the ORV program.

"I take a risk in speaking for the commission, but I think their feeling is the forest isn't well-managed and that we don't have a lot of support for the (ORV) program," said Sue Warren, area manager of the forest's public services program.

The meeting Saturday was intended to cover the forest's next grant application, but most residents in attendance focused on the ORV program.

Critics say there is little communication between forest officials and volunteer ORV groups; no required map of all designated ORV trails; and poor enforcement against egregious law violators.

ORV groups from as far as Silicon Valley were represented at the meeting Saturday. Most wanted the state to give the forest little or no grant money.

"What I heard a lot today -- more than I have in some time -- is that we need to do a better job with communication," forest supervisor Ben del Villar said.

That includes more talks with ORV groups that maintain trails and possibly the start of a volunteer program to curb reckless ORV users, del Villar said.

That change would be welcomed by Contra Costa Jeepers. Club members say they once spotted gun-toting sport utility vehicle owners destroying the environment and shooting up an outhouse the club had sponsored. Even with state funds, the forest officials were unresponsive, club members said.

Club member Jeff Mello of Danville said he handed forest officials a license plate that had been ripped off one of those sport utility vehicles, but nothing ever happened to the offenders, Mello said as he held up plastic bags of gun shells and bullets from that incident.

"It's a beautiful day, and I'd rather be out jeeping right now. I think you should try this without any money and see how you do," Mello told forest officials.

Residents of a heavily trafficked ORV area near Arnold said they had little faith that communication would improve between concerned groups and the Forest Service.

"It's just words and half-truths. They say they have a plan, but they've had a plan every year," said Joanne Corso, a former resident of the 8,600-acre area known as the Interface.

The bright side of the conflict is that ORV users and environmentalists are joining together to demand more of the Forest Service, residents agreed.

* To reach reporter Audrey Cooper phone 546-8298
or e-mail acooper@recordnet.com

YellowSub1962
04-09-2002, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Alpo23
All I could think while reading these was that the greenies are going to use this against use somehow. :( :(

Eric

THEY ARE THE GREENS!!!! This is the kind of crap we can't let happen. The executive director of the California Wilderness Coalition is on the state Off-Road Motorized Vehicle Recreation Commission!! Wake up people - before its too late!


"What bothers me the most is that they can't seem to take seriously the numerous concerns about sloppy ORV management and instead only want to kill the messenger instead of responding to the message," said Spitler, who also serves as executive director of the California Wilderness Coalition.


:barf: :barf: :barf:


:usa:

SonoraBob
04-10-2002, 09:19 PM
I spoke to one of my customers yesterday about this. I knew he worked for the Forest Service, so I asked what he thought.

Well, as it turns out, he was one of the seventeen that was at the meeting. And he confirmed what was said.

He also said, "At least no laws were broken."

He repeated that a couple of times. Sounds like they handed out talking points.

The good news is, I have a guy that is in the decision making process that I can pressure for some new trails.:D

On a second note. I have another customer that her husband works summers with the forest service. I think it has to do with roads. Anyway, he got a call a couple of days ago from an investigator. And tells her, "you don't know the half of it."

The also sent some info off to the reporter at the Chronicle. Let's hope there is a follow up.