Well I went wheelin with Timbo today (fellow POR member) to test out his new suspension. All was going well, and he was fully getting it. Till he went of a drop off that he had previously climbed, and endo'ed hard and knocked himself out. He was out for a good 10 seconds before he came to. I took him to the ER, and he was diagnosed with a concussion.

I knocked myself out a few months ago when i was out practicing in Farmington, NM. Rolled off a ledge and smacked my head on the ground while rolling.... Blacked out and came to after sitting on my side for a few seconds. Not fun.... :(

All the competitions require it, so Im thinking that when I am GETTING IT (not just cruising down the trail, etc.) why not wear a helmet? Timbo was REALLY fawked up today, and a skateboard helmet would have probably saved him a lot of lumps, and swelling to the brain. I think I'm going to sport a helmet when I'm out getting it from now on. I may not be the coolest looking guy out there, but at least my dome will be happy.

I make it a point to wear a helmet whenever Snowboarding mountain biking or road riding. or on the dirt bike.
I have had many many close calls. Not close to hitting my head but close to dying and probably would be dead if I didn't have a helmet on.

Doesn't sound like a bad idea to wear a helmet in your rig too.

Heck you have to any time your even testing on any type of race track.

Don't forget the cool :rainbow: paint job.

What about roll bar padding?

Originally posted by jdjanda
Don't forget the cool :rainbow: paint job.

What about roll bar padding?

Lance said he hit his head on the ground so padding would not have helped. Still ARCA requires padding aroud the driver do they not?

Phil:usa:

Lance,

I think its a great idea. We all have to be safe while having fun, so why not do it this way? BTW, with the way Welderboy drives his rig on the trail, I think he should also wear a helmet when he's wheeling. For example: He rolled over in Little Sluice 3 times on the second day of the Rubicon Cleanup. That right there should have him thinking about helmets already.

Helments dont have to look :rainbow: . Most dirtbike helments look pretty cool. My snowmobiling helment looks killer. If somone pulls up with A killer looking helment on yea know thay mean business. I think that would be kinda cool. It would suck when it is about 100 degrees out though.

Everyone that competes in a truck trail competition in Sweden have to use a certified rally helmet and the truck/buggies must be fitted with a roller cage and four point harnesses.

Originally posted by Lance
I may not be the coolest looking guy out there, but at least my dome will be happy.

That's a fact! Howevever, you make a great point on the helmet issue!

:D

i've seen some BAD things in competitions which came out o.k. in the end, ONLY because of the fact that helmets were on. wearing helmets is compulsary in all the events here.

i myself rolled 5 times, some of them were double and even tripple rollovers.

i would'nt be here today posting to you, if i had'nt had my helmet on. if you have your helmet on, if you're straped properly( 4/5 point harnesses are best) and if you remember to hold the wheel strongly with both hands while rolling, chances are you're not going to get hurt.

i really find it odd that it did not become compulsary in ALL the events in the states also.

having fun is good and even taking chances and risks, but why take on unnecessary gambles on life?:confused: :confused:

Barry

Sure, we both wear helmets when we're gettin it, if we're going to be "energetic" that night. Sometimes we do costumes too, themes, role play, all that good stuff...

Oh sorry.....wrong kind of "getting it".

:eek:

Anyways....Helmets are cool. I wear a helmet and combat survival suit in the helo....because we are seriously hardcore. A lot of the fixed wing pukes stroll about in short sleeves and a headset....because they're glorified trash haulin bus drivers.

Same principle here

Getting it = helmet

cruising = not

It's all good!

I wear a helmet when riding, rafting (most) climbing and now skiing (104 days on skis so far this year with a helmet). I'll bet I've pulled at least 20 people off the mountain with concussions, and I put one guy in a helicopter that would be dead right now if he wasn't wearing one when he nailed a tree.

Will I wear one in the Jeep? I won't do anything without at least my lap belt on, and there are times I've wished I had a helmet. So yeah.... I'll throw one in the rig for big weekends and such. Good idea to carry it.

:beer: to you for looking like a dork, Lance! :flipoff2:

Paul

Excellent IDEA lance, I had a concussion about 2 months ago from a crash on my motorcycle and it isnt any fun. One thing to remember when wearing a helmet though, if you hit hard enough to cause a concussion while wearing the helmet please throw it away as it has done its job and will not absorb that same shock again. As for the coolness part, pretty soon you will look like the dork if you are not wearing one. Thanks for taking the lead on this.

Originally posted by smurfsdad
One thing to remember when wearing a helmet though, if you hit hard enough to cause a concussion while wearing the helmet please throw it away as it has done its job and will not absorb that same shock again.

It depends what type of helmet it is. Motorcycle helmets are made like egg shells. They dissipate the force by basically cracking. So in that case you're right, one helmet is good for one major impact. However something like a football helmet is made to absord repeated blows. The real big point is to use a GOOD helmet...helmets are definitely one area where you get what you pay for.

Motorcycle helmets are not that way. The shell is to keep objects from penetrating and the foam inside absorbs the impact. Once the foam has taken the impact it is basicaly crushed and will not absorb the impact again. The shell can look perfectly fine but the helmet could be JUNK.

Originally posted by jdjanda
Don't forget the cool :rainbow: paint job.

What about roll bar padding?

You mean take rollbar padding and put it on his head?!?!?!

If you want a particularly cool helmet, and have dough, you can contact Troy Lee Designs, their designs are used by a lot of the top mtn. bikers, snowboarders, extreme skiers, supercross competitors, etc... just a thought...

Originally posted by BillaVista
Sure, we both wear helmets when we're gettin it, if we're going to be "energetic" that night. Sometimes we do costumes too, themes, role play, all that good stuff...

Oh sorry.....wrong kind of "getting it".

:eek:


now that I have cleaned off the coke I spit out on the computer from laughing while reading this I can say I think that is one of the funniest outakes I have read....:D

I have never used one wheelin but I never rode my Quad without wearing one. I see alot of people riding dirt bikes and quads without them and think it just takes a small spill to hit your head on a rock. Then you could be fawked up for life. It's just not worth it to me. I have 3 little girls I would like to see grow up. I will think about it for wheelin now.

I agree with you Lance GOOD IDEA. I got a concussion last year dropping off an obstacle and I couldnt see straight for 10 minutes. My only concern is periferal visibility and a helmet. I guess you can wear an open face helmet. I will be picking one up no matter how dorky I look. That way I dont have to pad the cage right?

http://www.thefrog.alloffroad.com/images/1.jpg http://www.thefrog.alloffroad.com/images/2.jpg http://www.thefrog.alloffroad.com/images/3.jpg

go figure - i tried to drive up this wall without a winch:( :(

i guess it looked like a highway at that time.....:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

anyway, without a helmet and a 4 point harness, things would have been reall ugly. luckily, i got out of this double flip without
a scratch.

Barry:beer:

sorry to hear about timbo getting jacked up . helmets are a great idea .. but there aint none cooler than billy bobs anyone got pix :smokin:

Put my truck on its roof last weekend. The cage is padded but it still hurt when I hit it. No concussion this time but what about the next time? Gonna get me a helmet real soon.

not a bad idea, hell I have nearly knocked myself out hittin the cage just getting in :p

I'll look around at helmets, I dont think I would wear a full on but maybe one of those lil biker beanies.

I like the idea of a sports style helmet, like football or hockey, being they're built too take lots of hits, plus they're not as bulky as a racing style, and breath better. But for now I'll use my Motorcycle helmet.

Here you go guys. IMHO the best option for a rockcrawling helmet is one that is designed for multiple impacts against rocks. Whitewater rafting helmets. There is a company in MD that makes some pretty interesting designs and their work is quality. reinforced Kevlar/resin noodle protectors are cool. the company's name is Gratefull Heads (http://www.gratefulheads.com)

Color variations are pretty cool and they hold up to a LOT of abuse/ I tried to kill one with a 4lb single jack and was only able to crack it after about an hour of whacking...

Here are some pictures.

http://www.gratefulheads.com/images/helmet/slasher-xs.jpg
http://www.gratefulheads.com/images/helmet/edge-xs.jpg
http://www.gratefulheads.com/images/helmet/bomber-xs.jpg

oh man, hope Timbo is ok! :(

Originally posted by Jason M

http://www.gratefulheads.com/images/helmet/bomber-xs.jpg


I like the German Army one :) Do they have it in gunmetal grey?

Originally posted by Jason M

Color variations are pretty cool and they hold up to a LOT of abuse/ I tried to kill one with a 4lb single jack and was only able to crack it after about an hour of whacking...


WHY??

-Steve

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/product_images/777/ZWB-116.jpg

$12.97 at www.cheaperthandirt.com :D

I want to get a chrome skateboard helmet... :roxy: Besides using it for wheeling I can use it at the new skatepark :P

I'm with ya' 100%. I make my kid wear one for damn near everything from bikes to boards...why in the heck would driving a car off a cliff be exempt????

You wouldnt need it for the cruise around Ellis etc. but for the gnarly sheot, why not. Until the head transplant is perfected better safe than sorry.

I agree, Lance.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lance
I think I'm going to sport a helmet when I'm out getting it from now on. I may not be the coolest looking guy out there, but at least my dome will be happy.
First off -- the agreement. I don't feel like I wheel anywhere near hard enough to need a helmet (hell, I try NOT to roll!) but dude, I have seen you drive, and even though most of the time you'r not really trying to put it on its lid, the throttle-intensive wheel-speed attack to clear hardcore obstacles throws you around pretty good. No sense pin-ballin' your melon off the cage spreaders.

Now -- the ridicule. :D Due, the more of your head you can cover, the happier everyone else will be! :D Mebbe even run a full-face helmet with a mirrored shield? :flipoff2:

Agreed, BTW, on a skate or whitewater helmet.... they are built for multiple hits. Motorcycle helmets, as Nick pointed out, are generally one-hit-then-into-the-trash designs... they *have* to be to take a highway-speed hit and decelerate your brain as safely as possible.

Randii

As for roll bar padding, that stuff don't help much.

I have one in the back of my Jeep for dirt bikes or our mini Baja car racing. Never used it for wheeling......yet. I don't think the dirt bike helmets are all that hot. They may limit your side vision a bit but all you have to do is turn your head! :flipoff2:

One thing that will help out also are those collars. I used one for the first time while driving a friend of mine's racing kart and they take a lot of the jolts out when you add a couple extra pounds to your melon. Also helps to support the helmet a little. BTW those wannbe Harley ridin helmets sure look cool but when push comes to shove their protection is pretty much non existant.

Originally posted by TJpwr


Lance said he hit his head on the ground so padding would not have helped. Still ARCA requires padding aroud the driver do they not?

Phil:usa:

Good point about the ground, me got a hard top so I'm worried about smack'n the nogg'n on things inside the rig.

After seeing the EJS accident, and almost dumping it a few times, I'm going to make my boys wear helmets. My head is a lot harder :D

Forget those biker helmets that are made to be small and look cool...... get a skate or rafting helmet for sure

Originally posted by jdjanda


I'm going to make my boys wear helmets. My head is a lot harder :D

What... is it too late for "monkey see, monkey do"
:flipoff2:

the frog,
Your recommendations are incorrect. While wearing a helmet and using a 5-point harness should be mandatory for any competition motorsports, the proper rollover activity should not be to grab the steering wheel firmly. During the rollover, one of the front wheels could hit something at a weird angle and induce a very large impact feedback through the wheel. This can break wrists, fingers, and arms, especially if you have your thumbs wrapped around the inside. The proper method is to cross your arms across your chest. Watch any in-car footage of a rally race and you will note that the better drivers and co-drivers do this instinctively. In fact, Colin McRae broke a finger on his left hand in a crash a few weeks back, and I suspect it was because he didn't have time to get his hand off the wheel.

Very good point Lance. It is required to wear a helmet in all the Mud Runs in Maine:
http://archiegallup.homestead.com/files/PittMR09.jpg
and now that I'm getting more 'aggressive' with my trail wheeling, I think I'm going to be sporting the helmet. I picked up a $45 3/4 motorcycle helmet (the cheapest I could find) and it doesn't impact my vision at all. sure, I look like a dork, but hell, I'm married, I'm a dork anyway :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Lance
I may not be the coolest looking guy out there, but at least my dome will be happy.

What looks more cool? A healthy person with a helmet on in a 4x4 or a vegetable in a wheelchair with drool on his chin?

There isn't much of a question to me. I'd rather protect my mellon, and see my kids grow up....

Crowdog
www.crowley-offroad.com

I love my motorcycle helmet, and as soon as I get my rock garden goin', I'll be wearing it on that pile. There is no reason not to wear a helmet, as rocks+metal (the two things you're dealing with wheeling) are HARD! You can find some really comfy helmets, and for this type of stuff I think that downhilling bike helmets would be the best option, as they are light, but built to survive 40 mph mountain bike impacts. The Giro Switchblade also has a chin protector, so you don't knock your teeth out. It always pisses me off to see people riding motorcycles and bicycles without helmets, as just a 15 mph dive into the pavement could be the nails in your coffin. Just for perspective, non-helmet wearing motorcyclists are referred to as "organ donors" by the EMT's and rescue squads in this state.

Originally posted by Kyron


What... is it too late for "monkey see, monkey do"
:flipoff2:

No I want to make sure they're around to take care of me

Why stop there.

why not an ejector seat with a parachute, or how about a full bodied vehicle made of marshmello, I personaly were a helmet in the shower just incase I slip and hit my head on a shampoo bottle.

:flipoff2:

I'll be the first to say you won't see me wearing one, but hey, it's my hat shelf

eric@fatcity

A good addition to a helmet, or if you just cant do the helmet, would also be a window net to keep your head, and or arms inside your vehicle as well. Besides the large square nets used by alot of circle track drivers, there are smaller triangulated window nets used by sprintcar drivers that offer a much less restricted view out of your drivers door window.

Jim

Originally posted by schuss
I love my motorcycle helmet, and as soon as I get my rock garden goin', I'll be wearing it on that pile. for this type of stuff I think that downhilling bike helmets would be the best option, as they are light, but built to survive 40 mph mountain bike impacts.


True, but they only work once...
I like my helmets to work at least a couple of times.

Originally posted by Jason M



True, but they only work once...
I like my helmets to work at least a couple of times.

not many helmets are designed to take multiple impacts, and those that are, are only for light impacts. Any heavy "rig on your head" impacts require part of the helmet to sacrifice itself. Big deal, you pay 20 bucks, send it to the manufacturer, and they give you a new one.

Originally posted by schuss


not many helmets are designed to take multiple impacts, and those that are, are only for light impacts. Any heavy "rig on your head" impacts require part of the helmet to sacrifice itself. Big deal, you pay 20 bucks, send it to the manufacturer, and they give you a new one.


If you take a river running helmet and submit it to any of the impacts that could happen in a rollover they would survive and so would your head. No helmet will save you if your rig lands on your head. But a side shot when you roll a kayak helmet is designed for it...

we were just talkin bout this yesterday at the new "insanity" trail at gore va. im gonna start throwing one in the rig..... its those nasty out croppings you see comming into your rig, as your balanced on 2 wheels that make ya think about that...... i agree 100%

Originally posted by randii
[QUOTE]
Agreed, BTW, on a skate or whitewater helmet.... they are built for multiple hits. Motorcycle helmets, as Nick pointed out, are generally one-hit-then-into-the-trash designs... they *have* to be to take a highway-speed hit and decelerate your brain as safely as possible.

Randii

Actually DOT or Snell testing of helmets is limited to something like 9 mph, simply the speed attained from your head dropping 5-6 feet onto the pavement. They're not designed to protect you from highway speed impacts.....you generally exchange a broken neck for a cracked skull.

I do like Lance's helmet idea. Screw it if it's cool or not....it's your head.

Jay

I'm guessing that most of your heads aren't that cool without a helmet.:flipoff2:

what about equestrian helmets? i've seen people kicked in the head... the helmet makes this really sickening *crack* sound, but ya walk away at least :eek:

good idea lance :)

I've racked my mellon enough times over the years in activities ranging from snowboarding, mountain biking, skateboarding, speed walking, to the occasional $2 whore bull ride to learn that helmets ain't all that bad. *twitch*

There are also enough companies out there making "cool" helmets that it isn't as geeky as it once was to wear 'em.

Granted, for 90% of the wheeling I do in WI, a snorkel would probably be a better addition to my rig (read: mud and water), I think I'm gonna' pack a couple of these skateboard helmets (http://www.boardblasters.com/helmet.html) for my CO/Moab trip this summer. This trip will be the first time I have the experience and rig to "get it" and I do plan on doing just that. At less than $20 each, you can't go wrong. For that "cool paint job," I'll just tie them to the rear bumper and drag 'em along the trail for a while.

IMO, for competition, a "race hemlet" should be mandatory ... even for the "local competitions." Heck, even the local autocross races require ANSI/Snell helmets. For most everything else, one of these $20 skateboard helmets should do fine.

Another consideration that should be made is in regards to the rollcage design. I was lookin' at a pic of Avalanche's Assassin this morning and noticed that the cage around the driver is barely wide enough to cover the width of his/her shoulders. I know the "narrow" dealio is all the rage, but at what cost? The sport of rockcrawling is growing leaps and bounds, but I'd hate to see what happens if a few competitors turn themselves into vegetables.

To summarize myself, I'm with Lance on the issue. Use your judgement, pack a helmet, and strap it on before you "get it" so as not to "lose it."

cmk

Good post, got me thinking about going the helmet route.

I like the paint schemes on professional hockey goalie helmets myself. Of course Storm Trooper :trooper: and Darth Vader helmets would also be pretty cool :vader2:

Can someone post more links to helmet companies or cool helmet designs.

I doubt that my off-roading would be considered "getting it" by most, but I did manage to roll it once. When my kids are in the jeep, my 3 year old is required to wear a helmet because her head is way too close to the rear fenderwell.

I'm not too concerned about myself since something would have to intrude into the cage quite a bit

Originally posted by Sloan
One thing that will help out also are those collars. I used one for the first time while driving a friend of mine's racing kart and they take a lot of the jolts out when you add a couple extra pounds to your melon. Also helps to support the helmet a little. BTW those wannbe Harley ridin helmets sure look cool but when push comes to shove their protection is pretty much non existant.

I'll second the collar, but it only works with a full-face.

I don't think I want to "wheel" with a full face, but for a competition? You bet.

The neck collars are highly recommended.

Ran a tuff-truck the first time w/o one.. first off, the rig has no suspension.. but I was a hurtin' unit all weekend from my head flopping about.

When I built my rig (which has some susp. travel) I stepped up to a full-face and neck collar.

I feel fine after a weekend of racing - maybe a pulled/strained muscle here or there, but nothing bad.

Even when I flew off the first jump and nosed first into the second, WASTING the Dana 44 front end.. I felt great, no bruises, no sore back or stiff neck.

I felt fine.

5pts, full face, neck collar.

Originally posted by Cruiserhaven

Can someone post more links to helmet companies or cool helmet designs.

jc whitney has alot of motorcyle helmets.

http://www.jcwhitney.com/catsubpic.jhtml;?CATID=190819&BQ=hly

a bicycle helmet would be cool since they're quite a bit lighter and vented. i think that's what Currie wears in the pics i've seen ...

- jack

A comment on the looks of helmets.
When I see a guy in the sluice box with 5 point belts, I think ohhh yeahhh! He’s going to GET IT! If I ever see a guy in 5 point belts, dirt bike helmet and a neck brace…GET THE VIDEO! This is going to ROCK!

I’m sorry to hear about your friend getting his bell rung. :(
I just had a comment on the roll bar padding. Make sure you don’t cheep out on that stuff. I see/hear lots of people using pipe insulation. Don’t!
If you can feel the bar through the padding with your finger, then pull it off and get your self some proper padding. You can get it in any color you like at http://www.racerwholesale.com
I just bought a Simpson Voyager helmet and the eye port is very large. It won’t cut down on your peripheral vision. I thing the best helmet for the job would be a dirt bike helmet. Yes you won’t be going very fast when you hit the roll bar or rock but you have a 3 to 4000lb seat attached to your butt. That is a lot of energy to dissipate!

Bieffe X-Tech dirt bike helmet NEW = $65 ebay buy now price
GF Karting Helmet Support (non-SFI) = $20 racer wholesale
Standard Roll Bar Padding = $1/ft racer wholesale

I tired a cheesy snowboarding helmet, but i still hit my ears on rock,
I have been looking at skate shops, they have some nice ones that protect your ears and don't look that bad, also they are norammly pretty cheap as well

after the last time i knocked out myself i swore i was gonna start wearing a helmet. so i took my helmet to the hammers but i didn't wear it. hmmmmm guess i don't learn my lessons very well

Just another example of why Lance is the webdaddy and we are all just peeons ! ?:D :flipoff2: :p

GREAT idea, Lance ! Me and mine will be sportin new brain buckets next time we,er out wheelin ! Oh, and by the way... We think it,s COOL :smokin: to be sportin a brain bucket while ur wheelin !;)


:jeep: __(OIIIIIO)__rOkOn:usa:

funny thing, i wet to hollister yesterday with a bunch of friends, and one of them took his 2wd nissan pu to haul firewood and shit, he still had his helmet in it from when we went bike riding a few days earlier, i was like "so you're really gonna rally the nissan huh?"
i'm not getting it hard enough to need that kind of protection, but i think it's a good idea for those who are. if some guy fires up his jeep, straps on his 5-pt harnesses, and pulls on his full face motocross helmet, i'd be like, dude! check this guy out, he's gonna get it!
on the other hand, with a well designed roll cage, i think something like a skateboard or dirt jumping helmet would be perfect. there are quite a few companies making them now, check out the local bicycle shops, they probably carry more than the skate shops do.
just like with mountain bike riding, if i'm just gonna go cruise around town, no need for a helmet, if i'm gonna go ride trails or do some big drops, then i grab the helmet, and maybe the gloves.

Ya know lance, last time I took my ol'mans rigg for a "roll":D I hit my head pretty hard. My dirt bike helmet helped for sure but I still got racked good though and without it on I would have been a bit less myself:rasta:. I have taken a few classes on medical legal death investigation (foresic analysis type neato stuff) and some of the stupid $hit people do and get them selves smashed up about and killed over is crazy. It is amazing how fragile we are. Not to say we souldn't take risks, infact take more Life is short...real short. Just do your hard core play with alittle brains and maybe there would be a little less grey matter shed for no good reasons.
:barf:

:D :D :D

Ya know what whould be a good helmet to where? :D Capit America's Spoter had a pretty swanky brain bucket:D :D

hey lance remember my roll on a-1 last year at the finals. I pounded my head on the ground but I was fine because I wear a simpson race helmet. All those skater helmets are cool and are better than nothing but a real helmet is the only way to go. Price shouldn't be the way you buy a helmet. The helmets I've seen the more expensive the better. Unless your talking about custom paint. So think about it. You only got one melon. Save those brain cells for a good night of partying.

My first of many rolls was on ice at fairly high speed (40+mph). I hit fast and hard, and managed a light concussion. It didn't occur to me until I rolled onto my lid screwing around in the bowl last summer that I need to wear a helmet. That need was magnified on Labor day when I cut my top off (I have a cage, but the openings for rock entery are much larger now). I decided this winter (while snowboarding) that I am going to buy a good snowboarding helmet during spring clearances this year and wear it while gettin' it and while snowboarding. I just can't trust myself to be careful. I say I'm not going to do stupid shit and tell myself to take it easy, but when I get out there (on the snow and in the rig) I just get reckless. I NEED melon protection. It doesn't always work that great, but it's the only one I've got.

Awesome idea.

For anyone worrying about trying to find a "cheap" helmet, I just have one simple question: How much is your mellon worth?
I just bought a set of quads for the wife and I. When it came to choosing helmets, my #1 concern was Snell M2000 rating. Fit was next. Price was last. Which brings up another point. GET ONE THAT FITS CORRECTLY. An expensive helmet that doesn't fit is likely to provide LESS protection than a little cheaper helmet that fits correctly.

Which helmet works best? That sounds like a religious battle brewing. I have my simple minded biased opinion and for all you guys that are gung-ho about kayaking helmets and the like, let's just say there's a reason that Snell separates helmets for motorized vs. non-motorized sports/activities. (let the flaming begin). But I guess anything is better than nothing.

For anyone that wants more info, check out: http://www.smf.org/
They even have lists of certified helmets by manufacturer and model.

Wearing a helmet when you are really GETTING IT is a smart fashion statement (j/k just had to say that about the people that are worried about looking like a dork). *LOL*

After rolling "without" a few times, getting lucky for not whacking my noggin on easier type of wheelin and actually wearing one in competitions, I would rather be wearing one when I am getting it than not. No single person is invincible, certainly not me. I have ALOT more livin and wheelin to do.:D

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must be fitted with a roller cage and four point harnesses.
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Is this some kind of new cage, I mean I know of roller cams, and roller bearings, but roller cages... :flipoff2: :D :flipoff2: :D

Having done many extreme shit in various sports, personel protection ;) should be at the top of anyones list, I mean why spend $$$$$ on your rig only to die cause your were a cheap ass mother and didnt wear a helmet, or bought a cheap one. Kinda makes it hard to drive your bad ass rig that ya spent big bucks on when you are worm food.

Hell for you cheapies, why not bubble wrap your head, and then slip into a diff cover with welded on sides. Use a bungee cord for a strap and you should be good to go.....:smokin: :rasta:

Go spend some bucks on a nice open face motorbike helmet, or even a full face. Thoes are designed to withstand the impact at riding speeds on a motorcycle, also having the bike land on ya. That should be similar to a rollover like condition. Take it from one who went off a 15 foot jump on a XR-250 bailed at about 30 feet up, landed and then had the bike land on me. A helmet done work real good Pa...:eek:

Other benifits are its a great new place to advertise with stickers, or paint

Fleckster

Originally posted by zorr0
the frog,
Your recommendations are incorrect. While wearing a helmet and using a 5-point harness should be mandatory for any competition motorsports, the proper rollover activity should not be to grab the steering wheel firmly. During the rollover, one of the front wheels could hit something at a weird angle and induce a very large impact feedback through the wheel. This can break wrists, fingers, and arms, especially if you have your thumbs wrapped around the inside. The proper method is to cross your arms across your chest. Watch any in-car footage of a rally race and you will note that the better drivers and co-drivers do this instinctively. In fact, Colin McRae broke a finger on his left hand in a crash a few weeks back, and I suspect it was because he didn't have time to get his hand off the wheel.

You see what you fail to realize is the frog and the like probably run full hydrawlic steering, so their is no mechanical link between the front axle and the drivers hands. When you have the right equipment, you can roll over severail times and keep right on truckin. The helmit idea is awsom.

Stover

you took the words right out of my mouth. i was writing a reply using very much the same words:)

BTW - what Zorro said was not right. if you drive(as you should) sitting close to steering wheel and you take your hands off the wheel while rolling, chances are you are going to get hit by the wheel during the roll, especially if we're talking double/tripple roll.

in the army they teach you this as the first rule for rollovers.

the second, by the way, is to sit tight untill you're SURE the vehicle COMPLETELY STOPED rolling, and only then unstrap yourself and carefully get out.

Originally posted by jdjanda


Good point about the ground, me got a hard top so I'm worried about smack'n the nogg'n on things inside the rig.

After seeing the EJS accident, and almost dumping it a few times, I'm going to make my boys wear helmets. My head is a lot harder :D

and that is somthing to think about.. I hiked down to that Runner that fell off lions back hte other day...While I think they are lucky to be alive..after looking at the runner all I was thinking was that it held up DAMN good...with a internal cage (a good one) and helmets I think they coulda fell all the way down and been less hurt than they were...

safety rocks!

you strap on a seat belt everyday, soon you won't even notice your putting on your helmet to go wheel and now that you've read it somewhere you'd be even dumber not to have one. i'll have mine on board for the really offcamber stuff! :beer:

LMAO!

With all the Sheeple that read this site and absolutely kiss the ground you walk on Lance, I can't wait to see all the Jackasses wearing helmets on the Con! :D LMAO!! :D

Originally posted by cbassett
LMAO!

With all the Sheeple that read this site and absolutely kiss the ground you walk on Lance, I can't wait to see all the Jackasses wearing helmets on the Con! :D LMAO!! :D

I will be one of them.

Sweet! I'll have the digicam at the ready! :D

Originally posted by cbassett
Sweet! I'll have the digicam at the ready! :D

Take pics and laugh all you want.

Knock yourself out and wake up on your side not knowing where you are while your rig is still running, or have to take your buddy to ER because he knocked himself out and was still short circuiting hours later, and maybe you'll change your tune. :p

I'll tip my hat to ya as you put two tires in the air like you did in your show in the Box....
But you'll make some dandy pix if I catch you buzzing across Ellis with your skateboard helmet on! :D

We use helmets in out competitions over here, and I think it's a good thing. We had some guys moan about the expense, and they wanted to get cheap helmets, and one smart-ass (pretty smart actually) said "If you got a £10 head, get a £10 helmet".

So true. Any here think their head is worth less than $500 ?

Damn stand up of you to wake the rest of us idiots up. Lets see how many trail shots in the mags show up with folks in helmets :)
I got a full cage in my rig and located my rear seats inboard to protect my kids. Don't know why I never put enough for thought into making them at least bring their bike helmets along to keep from bouncing their heads off the inner fenders. I think there will be some new safety gear in my rig before the next trail ride.
Thanks web daddy!

cbassett, so whens the fashion show start this year?:rolleyes:

I wore one of these while snowmobiling and it gives you the best of both worlds. I think Nolan makes them. Also if you have a $20 head then have at it.;)

Originally posted by cbassett
LMAO!

With all the Sheeple that read this site and absolutely kiss the ground you walk on Lance, I can't wait to see all the Jackasses wearing helmets on the Con! :D LMAO!! :D

I read this as just wait and see all the squids who have a body lift and 33's that think they are getting it will be wearing helmets very soon now.

Originally posted by Sloan
I wore one of these while snowmobiling and it gives you the best of both worlds. I think Nolan makes them. Also if you have a $20 head then have at it.;)

just did a little research, and it's a Nolan N100, these guys have pretty good prices on them, and pics of all of the colors http://www.helmetshop.com/nolan.htm , I think I'm going to get myself this one...
http://www.helmetshop.com/smallpics/n100bluesil.jpg

Originally posted by FULLSIZE
cbassett, so whens the fashion show start this year?:rolleyes:

Looking forward to it!:rolleyes: Smile for the birdie :flipoff2: if I snap a shot of ya wearing your armor in the granite bowl! LOL! Don't forget the wrist guards and kneepads!

Like I said above to Lance, for folks going large in the Box, I can see this. Everything else is just plain silly. But since your Buddha told you to do it I suppose you will.:rolleyes:

EXACTLY! most of the time mine dangles from the cage, just in case i need it. you bet i'm gonna need it in the box! flag me down so i can have it on driving through the bowl for ya:flipoff2:

I'm sure Christopher Reeves felt the same way 5 minutes before the horse let him go first.

LOL Fullsize, will do! :D

Sloan, WTF are you talking about?

superman(christopher reeve) took a header off a horse and is now parylized. i thought he had a helmet on?:flipoff2:

Yep, one of those equestrian helmets someone was talkin about earlier.:D

First: SuperMan was wearing a helmet because it was a jumping competition, but the injury he sustained was due to a spinal fracture, and a helmet would not have prevented such an injury. My SO rode horses for fifteen years, but did not wear a helmet until she got her motorcycle, and realized that if she was smart enough to wear one on her bike then she better wear one on her horses. Bikes don't have a mind of their own, nor spook at random stuff. Physiology dictates that its the heaviest part of your body, and hence the first part to hit the ground. Anyone can purchase a helmet at their local tack shop for $40, and wouldn't you rather look stupid than end up stupid from a head injury that could have easily been avoided.
I now own a horse boarding facility, and now require boarders to wear helmets(at least in writing for those under 18) while riding on the property.
I hope that your vehicle is in safe shape and that it has all the safety equipment from the factory. If not, than it should have up grades: full cage; 5 pnt. ?
My question is: If your cage is design to take the hit, do you need to protect your skull? hands and legs in the vehicle?
If not, then wearing a helmet would be smart.
My opinion would be to build a cage to support the vehicle. A helmet willl stop a bump, but not the vehicle. The seat & harness will hold you in, being toss around will hurt you.
Real World: Having been(First Responder) to Multiple roll over at high speed, being thown from the vehicle is not nessesary a bad thing, not good either. A slow speed roll over is different. Also, being a witness to those, being straped in, is a good thing, and a protective cage to take any impact is a good thing. A helmet against some rocks would do what to help? A cage designed to protect the occupants will do so much more, if the occupants are restained within the vehicle.
For those that wear a full face, How fast do you have to go to feel cool? Can't wait for summer, and cawling at your ratio.
Second Note: seems that drinking:beer: Helps the person in the roll over, but might be the cause of the roll over.
Now that you're wearing a helmet, are you wearing the tag line to it(like #3 wasn't)? Just my $.02
Scott

Helmets are a must in competition, and side nets will get a good look for next year, but for myself, and the way I drive my mb38a w/31's there is not a chance in hell of me needing a helmet, (unless you count falling out). Now if I ride with some of my bud's, ie...Lance, Bob, etc....yeah it's probably a good Idea. Besides everyone wears them at Troy's on New Years, Right......:D
Rich

OMG first the only helmet I have on the trail is not on my sholders. and second, they make roll bar pads tp keep you from blingin your nug. I can't wait to see all the helmets this year..


lmfno thud thud..

I used to race and have crashed a speed several times and you need the belts also. What I fear most it getting to and from the trail. Even at 35mph if we roll our rigs with roll bars etc we are toast. Good Idea with the helmet I will dust mine off and put it on my head!

Well, it happened again. Me Mike S and Bob were out getting it today, and Bob rolled off a ledge and smacked his noggin hard. Didn't get knocked out (at least he won't admit to it) but now even BOB is saying that a helmet is a good idea when getting it.

Getting knocked out WITHOUT rolling is why I had to have NO classes for Modified rails in the deep "Pit" at my mud races. We've had folks (mostly women) get knocked out despite full-face helmets, 5-point belts, AND neck braces. The car gets the "shakes" midway through the run & your head becomes a pinball between the bars of the cage.

Even in my Hot Street racer, I wear a competition neck brace. This is probably a bit much for recreational wheeling as it kind of limits how much you can turn your head. But, before I got the GOOD brace, I used a neckroll that is meant for football helmets. I sewed on a couple of snaps so it would stay attached to my helmet. Definitely saved my neck better than no brace at all & I'd highly recommend something like this for you rock guys.

TEX

Originally posted by Lance
Well, it happened again. Me Mike S and Bob were out getting it today, and Bob rolled off a ledge and smacked his noggin hard. Didn't get knocked out (at least he won't admit to it) but now even BOB is saying that a helmet is a good idea when getting it.

See just like I said, Now I need to go get me head protect, I mean a helmet, I mean a cranial protective device.....

:D :D :D

Rich

Anyone else picturing Jack Nicholson in Easyriders, only in a rig instead of a bike? :D :D :rasta:


Actually I think it sounds like a good idea... Remember how funny kids looked with bicycle helmets on a few years ago? Now it's the norm.

Kudos for bringing it up Lance...

Hell, I even wear mine when I'm on POR.:D:D:D

Originally posted by Tin Bender
Hell, I even wear mine when I'm on POR.:D:D:D

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: LMFAO :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Tell ya hat, it saved my ass (head) when I came down and broke my collar bone.... it rang my bell, but at least I'm still here...

(shot of the side of the helmet after "bicylce death leap 2002"..:D

Tin Bender has a nice head...:bender:

helps with da :bender: kicks.....

now I didn't read all three pages but you could be like that girl at the Sept ARCA and Die her hair the color of her helment (Pinkish purple) and that was teh same color of her shirt and her rig.... thats stylish (ain't it?)

Originally posted by dangerranger33
now I didn't read all three pages but you could be like that girl at the Sept ARCA and Die her hair the color of her helment (Pinkish purple) and that was teh same color of her shirt and her rig.... thats stylish (ain't it?)

Oh anything pink is stylish :barf: :barf: :barf:
If you were it backwards like her I bet it would work supper well too:laughing: Hmm maybe it's just a pink thang that I just dont want to understand:D

Originally posted by Jason M
and was only able to crack it after about an hour of whacking...



http://www.nagca.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif

How long before your attention was drawn back to the helmet?? And which one??

This is a family forum..............

I'M WITH YOU LANCE WHY RISK IT PAIN SUCKS

HMMM I don't think I should touch this :flipoff2: Originally posted by Lance
I may not be the coolest looking guy out there
Well seriously it could be, do you want to to sound like Ozzy or Ali when you 50 years old or not?

Originally posted by Chazzworth


I read this as just wait and see all the squids who have a body lift and 33's that think they are getting it will be wearing helmets very soon now.

yeah cause those squids really know what they're doing and know the limitations of their rigs. :flipoff2: to hell with that, i'm getting me and mine at least a pro-tec. pretty much every trail i drive is my first time on that trail. i don't know how my :jeep: is going to react to the obstacles. i run with no doors and just a bikini top...there's more chance to knock myself out. i'll take the toughest line i can without a big risk of breaking (so i don't slow everyone else down). much rather look like a squid then be drooling at home wishing i could be back on the trail.

i got hit in the head with a spare birfield once on a mishap in big sluice, but never bonked my head on the cage or earth.

id rather we all looked like dorks in helmets on the trail then cool guys/girls in a casket...

LOL!

This is great... I have been taking my girl friend wheeling with me and one time she went home and her mom asked her if we wore helmets! and then i find this thread! hahah

Stew

Originally posted by pure-adrenaline
hey lance remember my roll on a-1 last year at the finals. I pounded my head on the ground but I was fine because I wear a simpson race helmet. All those skater helmets are cool and are better than nothing but a real helmet is the only way to go. Price shouldn't be the way you buy a helmet. The helmets I've seen the more expensive the better. Unless your talking about custom paint. So think about it. You only got one melon. Save those brain cells for a good night of partying.

How much do these Race helmets weigh over the typical Skate helmets?

Am I the only one thinking that if you hit your head on the ground when you roll that you should redesign your cage? Lower the seat, raise the cage or both?? :confused: WTF?:confused: I was thinking this from the second after I read the first post.


EDIT: I think a skate boarding helmit would be cool for not hitting your head on the cage bars, but if I hit my head on the ground while endoing, the first thing I would do is figure out how to lower the seat or make SURE there is no possiblity of hitting my head on the ground. you shouldn't need a full face simpson helmit for wheelin. I can see it in compition but for trail wheelin:rolleyes:

Originally posted by rEdNEcKwHeE1eR
Am I the only one thinking that if you hit your head on the ground when you roll that you should redesign your cage? Lower the seat, raise the cage or both?? :confused: WTF?:confused: I was thinking this from the second after I read the first post.


EDIT: I think a skate boarding helmit would be cool for not hitting your head on the cage bars, but if I hit my head on the ground while endoing, the first thing I would do is figure out how to lower the seat or make SURE there is no possiblity of hitting my head on the ground. you shouldn't need a full face simpson helmit for wheelin. I can see it in compition but for trail wheelin:rolleyes:

Unless you roll where there might be rocks on the ground - maybe a rock that fits between the bars on your cage...

Just a thought.

Originally posted by shadetreezj


http://www.nagca.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif

How long before your attention was drawn back to the helmet?? And which one??

This is a family forum..............

A 4 month old thread dug up my some Newbie making a smart-ass comment.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Hoyden


Unless you roll where there might be rocks on the ground - maybe a rock that fits between the bars on your cage...

Just a thought.

Thats what crossbracing is for;)

I couldn't see a rock coming through enough to knock you out in this simple cage

Cage by rudezuk:D
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1293806

Originally posted by rEdNEcKwHeE1eR


Thats what crossbracing is for;)

I couldn't see a rock coming through enough to knock you out in this simple cage



I see your point, there's no rocks in your front yard. :D

I wear a helmet, it's done it job more then once. A rock WILL, someday come through that cage and when it does, it will hurt, it's your choose.

i guess i am into pain, i never wear a helmet, not even on my dirt bike. i was pissed that they made me wear on as a spotter. i can see it in a comp, but i still prefer not to wear one. but i am a asshole, as many will attest

Originally posted by PYRO


I see your point, there's no rocks in your front yard. :D

I wear a helmet, it's done it job more then once. A rock WILL, someday come through that cage and when it does, it will hurt, it's your choose.

Thats not my front yard or my cage, I was just using that as an example, and trying to make a point that if I knew I was gonna get it on every trail ride but affraid that I might hit my head on a rock when I roll, I would make it impossible to happen, not buy a helmit, if you have all 4 or 5 point belts in, there is NO REASON that your head should hit a rock:rolleyes:

usually if i am "getting it" i dont wear a helmet. i would consider wearing a cup. after all i think with my cock anyway. so why not protect it.

Originally posted by shadetreezj


http://www.nagca.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif

How long before your attention was drawn back to the helmet?? And which one??

This is a family forum..............


Someone needs a life, this thread is from 4-11-2002. As in over a year ago.:confused:

Originally posted by wngrog


A 4 month old thread dug up my some Newbie making a smart-ass comment.

:rolleyes:

Well, Mr almighty of the four wheeling world, a little levity goes a long way. God forbid a "Newbie" as I'm sure you never were with 5000+ posts, should even read a worthwhile post, and in my poor attemp at humor, (as pointed out by you (Bowing down)), it resurfaces a good thread that others may get a wake up call from...............

I hope you see my point. If not :flipoff2:

Ever stop to think that a newb (to this forum) might have something to offer?? I'll give you my 'smartass' comment.

Flame me if you think it will help.

For the sake of the content of the thread, and I am sorry to others for junking up this thread with this reply..........

BTT.

M.

Originally posted by rEdNEcKwHeE1eR
...there is NO REASON that your head should hit a rock:rolleyes:
Worry about the rollcage more than the rocks, grasshopper. :massey:

The pictured cage should provide good protection from most rocks, but when you hit the bump at the end of the pictured driveway, your noggin is gonna pinball off at least two bars unless you've got white hair, wear beaded specs, and drive around the neighborhood with only your rheumy knuckle visible above the dash, humming along to Lawrence Welk and muttering, "Where's the beef?" :flipoff2:

Randii

Originally posted by gunracer1
i guess i am into pain, i never wear a helmet, not even on my dirt bike. i was pissed that they made me wear on as a spotter. i can see it in a comp, but i still prefer not to wear one. but i am a asshole, as many will attest

And Sept 13-14 you'll get to wear it again:flipoff2: :D
see ya
:p
Rich

Originally posted by rEdNEcKwHeE1eR


Thats not my front yard or my cage, I was just using that as an example, and trying to make a point that if I knew I was gonna get it on every trail ride but affraid that I might hit my head on a rock when I roll, I would make it impossible to happen, not buy a helmit, if you have all 4 or 5 point belts in, there is NO REASON that your head should hit a rock:rolleyes:

Well!!!!! Arn't we fuck'n serious,,,,,,,,,,:rolleyes: you ever wonder what this " :D " means?

Anyway,,,, I don't really give a shit if you wear a helmet or not, I was only making the point that the bars in that cage are about 8" apart, meaning that if you roll over a rock that size, it will come in 8" past the cage (and maybe into your head). I wheel in areas with loose rock like this, I guess you don't.

Originally posted by PYRO


Well!!!!! Arn't we fuck'n serious,,,,,,,,,,:rolleyes: you ever wonder what this " :D " means?

Anyway,,,, I don't really give a shit if you wear a helmet or not, I was only making the point that the bars in that cage are about 8" apart, meaning that if you roll over a rock that size, it will come in 8" past the cage (and maybe into your head). I wheel in areas with loose rock like this, I guess you don't.

I got your joke:flipoff2: The llast part was not directed at you so :flipoff2:, Yeah I guess a rock could hit your head on that cage but lance said he hit his head on the GROUND! Which I might have been wrong but I pictured a flat area.

Worry about the rollcage more than the rocks, grasshopper.

The pictured cage should provide good protection from most rocks, but when you hit the bump at the end of the pictured driveway, your noggin is gonna pinball off at least two bars unless you've got white hair, wear beaded specs, and drive around the neighborhood with only your rheumy knuckle visible above the dash, humming along to Lawrence Welk and muttering, "Where's the beef?"

Randii

Did you read this part of my post?
EDIT: I think a skate boarding helmit would be cool for not hitting your head on the cage bars, but if I hit my head on the ground while endoing, the first thing I would do is figure out how to lower the seat or make SURE there is no possiblity of hitting my head on the ground. you shouldn't need a full face simpson helmit for wheelin. I can see it in compition but for trail wheelin
I edited right after I posted it so I don't see how you could have missed it:confused: