I wass planning on buying som extended radius arms until I read about wristed arms. I am pretty good at fabricating some stuff but my question is has anybody made some "BENT" Wristed arms... Where the radius arm is bent to gain added turning radius?


As another question what is the length of a 5.5" EB Coil spring under standard load?

I did a search and found nothing along the lines of a BENT wristed arm to allow for better turning radius now if I happened to miss it please give me a link......

ok after i stoped laughing :rolleyes:

what axles are you using ?
and what are they goin in ?

What the holy fawk are you talking about? :confused: Bent where did you read about this?

Full size Dana 44's going in a Ford Ranger..

I've never read about "Bent" Wristed arms...
If you look at james duff extended arms they are bent in a little to allow for better turning radius... now my question is if their is a Wristed "bent" arm?

ok what year 44?

bear with me ill help you :D

'78 out of a Full size Bronco
i'm pulling all kinds of parts from this.

goin fullsize ehh
well the ideal axle for you to have is a pre 77 ford axle

that way you can cut off the c wedges and move them in thats what i did . this in turn helps the radius arms line up with the frame and you can use all stock stuff at the same time it keeps the radius arms from the tires :D

Well I happened to have a good deal on mine... i bought a 78 Bronco with lift for 800 so can't beat that.... SO IF i had a 77 or earlier Axle I could cut the Cbushing mounts off and slide them in?..... but back to the orginal question....... has anybody made a Bent Wristed arm?

many Rover guys use "bent" wristed arms. I had one. I'm assuming by bent you mean castor corrected. Not sure what you want to know about it. Quinn made mine. It worked perfectly.

-Steve

Well obviously i'm not clear by what i mean by "BENT"

IF you go to the following link and go down about half way you will see a picture of the old arms vs the new arms and will see "Tire Clearance Bend" I want that on a Wristed Arm.... Is this possible......................................




http://www.broncograveyard.com/products/fabritech/fabarmfeature.html

Originally posted by dangerranger33
has anybody made a Bent Wristed arm?


Ya ever seen some of these guys welding skills? THEY ARE ALL BENT:flipoff2: Now back to your question. No I have not seen one nor would I see it as a good idea. Where are you going to bend it? I think your gonna have a helluva time getting a 78 axle in a Ranger but hey stranger things have happened.:nuke:

Originally posted by dangerranger33
Well obviously i'm not clear by what i mean by "BENT"

IF you go to the following link and go down about half way you will see a picture of the old arms vs the new arms and will see "Tire Clearance Bend" I want that on a Wristed Arm.... Is this possible......................................




http://www.broncograveyard.com/products/fabritech/fabarmfeature.html

Dude ya come in here asking a question give little to no info and then get your panties in a bunch when people bag on ya?:rainbow: Either get a thicker skin or find another board to ask your :zzz: question on!!!!:flipoff:

ok ill go out and say ive have not heard of a bent wristed arm
and the only ones i know that sell bent arms is the james duff arms unless you go custom .

any one else care to step in i have no further info on this :rolleyes:
need :beer: head hurts

hey dude...I have no idea why everyone is giving you a hard time. But anyways....There are no bent radius arms being made at this time.....And it would be a good little product if someone made one....simply cause then you gain back the stock turning radius instead of having your meats rub.

run the correct backspacing and you tires wont rub :flipoff2:

and as far as a (bent) wristed arm it could work ,try it and see
who knows maybe your on to somthing :question:

they've been discussed here before. I think if you wanted something like that, you'd be better off starting from scratch, maybe use the c-bushing mount and fab the rest of the arm how you want it.

My personal opinion is just use the stock arms. Adjust the stops out so your tire doesn't contact the arm. The main reason is it will save your u-joints. Turning sharp is great, but it can kill a u-joint quite easily.

When I did my 44 swap, my only bitch was I couldn't turn as sharp as I used too, but now it's just a foggy memory, and I can still turn sharper than an Exploder :flipoff2:

JBG radius arms do have an offset build in them and they're 12" longer. Stock radius arms with a bend in them and a lifted rig? Sounds like the arms would put quite a bind on the bushings and mounts. How about using wheel spacers to solve your turning problem?

adding spacers to full width axles under a ranger would be a super cop magnet for sure. As others have said increasing the turning radius to much is going to bind the u joints and cause :nuke: However it sounds like the reason more you want to move them in would be to gt them to line up with the frame correctly. Just add a spacer and call it good. But if you can build a arm like you are talking about make sure to take alot of pics

Matt

I saw Tim Haight owner of Bronco Alley do one, he bent a set of stock radius arms to increase clearance for turning, and on the pass. Arm he used a diesel crank rod cap instead of the factory c-cap, the diesel cap had the correct internal radius of the o.d. of the axle tube, and welded in the matching piece from the crank rod into the c-bushing area on the arm, then he welded two tear drop shaped pieces of ¼’’ plate on each side of the arm onto the axle tube, those were pre-drilled to run a pin from one threw the radius arm to the other plate for street driving, between the axle tube and the welded in crank rod end pieces he used ¼” sheet rubber for a some isolation, for street driving he would tighten the rod crank bolts just like you were replacing the c-bushings and for the trail he would loosen the 4 bolts and pull the pin or pins may have been two pins.
Here's a pic of one of my arms he bent for me, but never got around to wristing I recently went full width hi-pin d-44 and moved my wedges in and went to straight radius arms and wristed one.
By the way this arm was extended 2" because I moved my front end forward 2".

http://dynamic-earlybroncos.classicbroncos.com/images/radius_arm_zoom_out.jpg

To answer some questions of me.... ising Bigger==Better... so I'm running fullsize thats what i got for cheap that's what i figure i'm gonna run.... the axle is under neat the truck just gotta get a heim joint and the trac bar will be hooked up and the axle will be completed...... I want the Turning radius "JUST IN CASE" like when i'm parking or something but not nesscarrly in four wheel drive. I mean running stock stuff ....... what's the fun in that MUST FABRICATE..... MUST FABRICATE.....

Tonto I didn't get that picture Mycomp might be screwed could you give me a link. :p


racinhound wrote:
"Dude ya come in here asking a question give little to no info and then get your panties in a bunch when people bag on ya? Either get a thicker skin or find another board to ask your question on!!!!"

As for this ..... I asked what I thought to be a fair question and in order to clear up the confusion I added some more info I don't see anything wrong with that..

Here is a pic IF IT WORKS..

http://www.geocities.com/rangerdeere/grn.html

sorry... i'm installin a Dana 44 and a Ford 9" out of a 78 Bronco with an NP435 and an NP205 and a 302

No I apprciate the help....

And i'm saying.... I LOVE TO FABRICATE.... Fabrication is a must .... what is the fun without fabrication......... i don't mind fabrication..... i was just lookin for someone else who might have done it before.... thats all

BAN!!!

Back to the Original topic........ dose anybody have some pics of a radius arm Bent for added tire clearance with the wristed arm?

I've heard talts of this before, but never seen it in action. Your radius arm would have to be beefy enough. It'll want to twist like a crank under power.

i've already said once in this thread that i had one and it worked perfectly. What more do you want to know??? If you have more questions just ask me. The real man to talk to on this subject is Quinn Dusenberry. He'll make you whatever you want and does a great job.

Here is what I have to say on the matter. If you run full width, and move the wedges in to EB width, you are gaining a lot of clearance over stock. One problem I DO forsee is that the steering knuckle does not want to turn all that much on its own. It has stops built into it, and that limits the amount of turning it does. If you turn those stops is, the u-joint in the axle can't handle these kinds of angles very well. I see you blowing shaft after shaft when you are wheeeling at crank. You WILL have issues with this t some point. I still say by moving everything in, you should gain some steering as well. I just finished swapping in a FUll width front and rear into my EB, and I have a LOT more steering now. Good Luck

Dimitri

What year model Full width did you use? I'm KNOW i will shatter U-joints but i want to have the steering their more for a 2wd purpose than for 4wd cuz I KNOW I'll shatter the shafts..... I just want it their for the "just in case".......

Offroadr35
How do I get in contact with Quinn Dusenberry?
Do you have any pics of yours that I could see? Did you make yours or did someone else? If you made them do you have progression pics?

I have a set of 78 F150 axles. SAme things as yours. a RC44 front and a 9" rear. Both are full width. As for the steering stops, you will ahve to turn them in, I say just leave it and and wheel it that way. Why break more shafts than you need to just because you want to turn better on the street.

Dimitri

I've seen a pic of a bent radius arm... OH but it was off a truck that was in a accident... Coby Huey posted it i think and it was in a 'U' if i remember correctly :D anyone got that pic handy?

its gonna be left this way (for now) but enough is NEVER enough in my book i want it to flex better so i'm gonna put wristed arms then.... well i'd like it to turn better my truck's got 39" and it's pretty off set rims and its 7ft 4" wide ...... i need some good turnning i'm also just interested in seeing the product.... .

Originally posted by Danger Ranger
I've seen a pic of a bent radius arm... OH but it was off a truck that was in a accident... Coby Huey posted it i think and it was in a 'U' if i remember correctly :D anyone got that pic handy?


I was looking for that pic a while back. I think it was posted nearly 2 years ago.

Mike Ladd bent one by running into a tree with the tire. Bent the whole fawker back. It is hanging on his wall of shame.

Dimitri

I understand people bend the stock Radius arms but that's not my question..........

Originally posted by dangerranger33
I understand people bend the stock Radius arms but that's not my question..........

it was a joke :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

Originally posted by dangerranger33
I understand people bend the stock Radius arms but that's not my question..........

You don't seem to get the fact that your question has gone unanswered because no one at the moment CAN answer it.

You want a pic of a bent and wristed arm??

You need to do two things first. 1) Load the pic of the wristed arm of your choice and let it fill half the screen and then 2) load that pic of the bent arm and let it take up the other half.

Close your eyes and think real hard.

Now, open your eyes, cross them, and combine the two pics.

It's not that hard to visualize. It's a bent arm that has been wristed. You know what both look like, so combine them in your head.

Sheesh....do you need someone to explain how to open a dented can of soup with a can opener? :rolleyes:

well offroadr35 said he had one so if he can post a pic and a description we'd be good to go..... I kinda figured someelse had so i kept on the topic.... if ain't nobody done it well i reken i can complete it and take the pics.... and post er up....

I know exactly what you are talking about and I'm in the process of making them, I have a cj7 with full width chevy axles on rad arms and 36" swampers and i'm getting tire rub. so i'm starting a new project with rad arms front and back, wristed, and i'm gonna bend the front for the tire clearance.

this is my idea: i will cut the top and bottom parts of the I beam in the rad arm on each side of it. the 2 outside cuts(top and bottom of the arms side) will be in a 'v' shape and the inside will just be a straight cut. then I'm gonna heat up the part to bend on the rad arm and bend it, closing up the 'v' cut on the outside while creating one where there was only a cut on the other side. then i have some 1/2 steel plate cut to fill in the entire area of the I beam in the rad arm on each side. then I will wrist it. This is my idea of it, like i said it's in the process now so no pics, sorry.

That was right along the lines of what i was thinking..... I just wanted to know if their is problems with strength and I didn't want to under build or go way to over board..... I was thinking 1/4" but 1/2" is probably good insurance

Nevermind You need the 1/2" metal.........

Originally posted by dangerranger33
Nevermind You need the 1/2" metal......... :rolleyes:

Well the 1/2" metal should fill up the Indentions on the radius arm... i wasn't thinking.....

ya, and then use another 1/2 plate on each side for the wrist. thats over 2" of steel there. gonna be heavy but should be structuraly sound.

Someone once told me "it wasnt worth a BENT dick" I am still looking for pictures of a bent dick. Does anyone have any? I dont want to go too overboard on this but just trying to get some ideas. :rolleyes:

WTF! :flipoff2:

I will try to get pics of mine tonight. They have been extended and wristed and I have been having a hell of a time bending them. I have broke my 20 ton press twice. :eek: :beer:

Sorry didn't feel like reading the posts but is this what you guys are discussing:
http://soderblom.net/bronco/tech/D44solid/sap04.jpg

They are by James Duff. Some more pics are here:
http://soderblom.net/bronco/tech/D44solid/:beer:

Originally posted by dangerranger33
well offroadr35 said he had one so if he can post a pic and a description we'd be good to go..... I kinda figured someelse had so i kept on the topic.... if ain't nobody done it well i reken i can complete it and take the pics.... and post er up....

I dont' have any pics of mine unfortunatly and i can't find Quinn's email. Someone here has it i'm sure, otherwise post on one of the EB mailing lists.

-Steve

That is a Bent arm but not wristed..... that's half the battle...

RokHeep
Broke the press twice... ouch... must be strong stuf...

Originally posted by dangerranger33
That is a Bent arm but not wristed..... that's half the battle...

RokHeep
Broke the press twice... ouch... must be strong stuf...

looks wristed to me, look at it right before the c bushing, looks like it hinges there. It would be more difficult to do it that close to the bushing on a stock arm though.

nope, it's not, duff's adds 2 bushings in there, to incerease the flex, it's not wristed, it's just a bolted and bushed joint.

That is a Bent arm but not wristed
yes, it is

Originally posted by RokHeep
I will try to get pics of mine tonight. They have been extended and wristed and I have been having a hell of a time bending them. I have broke my 20 ton press twice. :eek: :beer:


Dude I watched and helped Tim at Bronco Alley do mine, he heated them up with a rosebud and we bent them in a vice with a 5' plus 2" dia. tube, took a little effort but nothing like a 20 ton press, here's another attempt at posting the pic of one of my bent arms
http://dynamic-earlybroncos.classicbroncos.com/images/radius_arm_zoom_out.jpg
Like I said in my previous post Tim has made a bent wristed arm, he did it with out cutting and wristing the arm, check my previous post for the description.
If this pic does't work try my photo page http://dynamic-earlybroncos.classicbroncos.com/photo.html

Man, I don't know what peoples problems are...

Flaming the guy for something that was perfectly clear in his post. I understood it as soon as I read it. Why don't you guys go back and delete those shitty assed flame posts so we don't have to read through them all just to get to the meat of the topic.

Now for my response...

I haven't seen any bent wristed arms, but am thinking of building my own. There is a guy on here that made his own bent (non wristed) arms out of DOM tubing. He added gusseting and such and should be plenty strong. I'm going to do the same thing but just add a joint to it. At the same time I'm going to move my trac bar mount and move my front end forward a couple of inches.

I don't know about heating the arms up and bending them. Seems like that would weaken them. I guess if you add some 1/2" to the sides it would help with that.

Backspacing will help as well but if you are running a 44 with big tires and a locker you're asking for knuckle failure.

Peace out and chill with the attitude. Answer a guys question. I've been on this board for a while and haven't seen any wristed arms. So he probably did search. :flipoff2:

Peace out and chill with the attitude. Answer a guys question. I've been on this board for a while and haven't seen any wristed arms. So he probably did search. :flipoff2: [/B][/QUOTE]

I agree, my great grandpappy always used to say, "if you don't have anything good to say, don't say it at all.":usa:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tonto
[B]
Dude I watched and helped Tim at Bronco Alley do mine, he heated them up with a rosebud and we bent them in a vice with a 5' plus 2" dia. tube, took a little effort but nothing like a 20 ton press, here's another attempt at posting the pic of one of my bent arms[QUOTE]

haha, You call that a bend??? :flipoff2: I think the reason I had so much trouble bending them is they are ~1inch thick solid. :eek: I'll try to get some better pictures. :beer:

Originally posted by broncorob

yes, it is

What are you saying? That you'd knock one of the bolts out and let it pivot? Duff didn't intend them to be used this way, not to say you couldn't do it, tho.

Yeah you're right. I thought Brian had done that but I was mistaken. But, you could use the pic to make some very similar that did wrist. sorry for the confusion

Yeah, I haven't seen them up close to be able to tell how hard it would be. It certainly sounds do-able. I dunno that I'd fork over the coin for their arms just to chop them up as soon as I got home, tho.

As it is, Brian has more flex than he has spring.... but maybe after he saves up for some coil-overs, we can talk him into hacking up those arms. ;)

Yeah, you're right. I probably wouldn't hack those up either. The design is nice tho with the bend. Maybe just copy the general layout of them, but do what you need to wrist them.

Originally posted by broncorob
do what you need to wrist them.

if you go to

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43101

this will lead you to a website that explains the advantages the advangates are numerous.... its a deffinate must for flex...

I said "do what you need to wrist them"
Not:
Why do you need to wrist them.

Ohh my bad... I read it wrong.... here you go

http://home.earthlink.net/~mattsara/wristedarm/wristedarm.htm


and also

http://members.aol.com/stknrdr/banda.html

this guy incresed his ramp from 400-900!!!