I heard they were going to debute them at Easter Jeep... hasnt that happened now..?

yes, but if you call superior, they said that they still aren't ready yet. it will be at least another month they said. thats what they said a month ago, oh well.

Originally posted by aaronlosey
yes, but if you call superior, they said that they still aren't ready yet. it will be at least another month they said. thats what they said a month ago, oh well.

is superior making the shafts for OX? or if ur confused I was speaking of the new combo package that OX is supposely comming out with. Ill update my post to read better my intent

Superior has their own joints like the CTM ones. OX, who DTD is the main distributor, is making their own joint and selling to DTD. Till someone breaks a CTM or Superior joint, I don't see a need for the OX joint except to "look cool".

The cool thing about the OX is it doesn't use caps. So the trunion(?) can be made larger. But from what I've seen, now with the CTM's and Superior joints, people are breaking the stronger axles (Warn and the like). So unless the axles get stronger, what is the need for a joint that is even stronger?

I could be missing a point, wouldn't be the first time.

JMO

A BIG benefit to having a 3rd (or more) super-joint vendor, is that it should push prices down; a huge benefit for the consumer, at least those with bottoms on their wallets.

Originally posted by Kicker
But from what I've seen, now with the CTM's and Superior joints, people are breaking the stronger axles (Warn and the like). So unless the axles get stronger, what is the need for a joint that is even stronger?

I could be missing a point, wouldn't be the first time.

JMO

Once you find the weak link, upgrade.

I agree though it's a never ending battle to be bulletproof.

I'd rather risk the joint than the shaft.

I'd rather risk the joint than the shaft.

Hmmm. Every time I broke a joint, the shaft went with it.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by scramblin


Hmmm. Every time I broke a joint, the shaft went with it.:rolleyes:

Well my understanding was the OX was a combo.. a special upgrade chromolly shaft of somesort designed for the Ox joint.

my understanding is the ox joint isn't part of a combo, and that it won't be ready anytime soon. it is just a prototype. i've been talking to dtd over the phone ordering a bazillion bearings and shims and junk, and they said their superior joint/shaft combo will be ready in about a month. before that, they said it would be ready out in moab for ejs. they said they have no idea about the ox joint, other than they thought it looked cool.

Well if OX/Superior/DTD handles it the same way that they did the release of the D44 Ox, they will keep stringing people along an stringing them along, all the while saying:

"It'll only be a another month."

:flipoff2:
Jake

Originally posted by Kicker
The cool thing about the OX is it doesn't use caps.

So how do you change the joint if it has no caps? I can't see how this would work.

BTW - 4 Wheelers Supply here in Phoenix said they are supposed to be getting the new Ox joints in 2-3 weeks. Will be interesting to see if they do get them then. They also said that DTD told them that they were going to be making their own u-joints but, since the Ox joints were the same but made with better materials, they decided just to sell the Ox joint instead. Who knows.

Chris

Sorry... Ithink I typed/thought wrong. At first I heard no caps. But obviously, unless I'm missing something, they would be impossible to put in a shaft. So I think it was no needle bearings. They are using a different process than the CTM and Superior joints so to extend the wear life over the 300M joints.

And I never heard anything about a special shaft just for the OX, but anything is possible.

And about them always saying next month...Would you rather they say they have no clue, or say its five months down the road?? You never know what could slow down their production/ R&D...And I doubt they would let you know in depth what is slowing them down.

I know just with my production and R&D all kinds of things come up that slow things down. And since OX is making these joints, they don't have much influence over how long it will be.

JMO

Take care

Originally posted by Kicker
...And about them always saying next month...Would you rather they say they have no clue, or say its five months down the road?? You never know what could slow down their production/ R&D...And I doubt they would let you know in depth what is slowing them down.

Look Kicker, (if that is your real name :flipoff2: )

I don't give a fawk HOW LONG it takes Ox Trax to make a good product--they can have all the fawkin' time they need! Whatever it takes! Just don't start taking a buncha pre-orders saying they're going to ship next fawkin' week when they don't KNOW that they're gonna ship next fawkin' week!!!

My problem isn't with Ox Trax so much as it is with DTD/Superior.

I was at the top of the list when the 44 Ox came out and when the took my order (last January) for two of them the salesman told me the product would "definitely" ship by mid February. I think they showed up around the middle of May. All the while, they kept telling me it would only be "another week or two."

Just how the fawk am I supposed to plan ANYTHING about my Jeep buildup around pie-in-the-sky, wishful-thinking dates like that?

Sorry I went off there. It's just that I wish salespeople would tell you the TRUTH instead of telling you what they think you want to hear.

No problems with the product though... :D :D

Jake

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama

It's just that I wish salespeople would tell you the TRUTH instead of telling you what they think you want to hear.
Jake

Ummm....yeah. Thats gonna happen:rolleyes:

Shoulda got a Detroit:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Dr. Lame




Shoulda got a Detroit:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I am.....On Friday :flipoff2:

yeah pie in the sky bull shit gets on my nerves i have been going round and round with randy's r&p for almost 5 months now for some of their cromoly shafts for a 60 it always seems like they are in the mail.

Why go through all of the bull shit that these companies are dishing out?
These are big corporations, that manufacture and distribute drivetrain products.
We have been asking for year, why cant someone make a stronger joint for the D44, and they sat on their asses and did nothing.
Now CTM comes along and developes a truly significant replacement for the 297 joint, and now the corporations are standing their with their pants down around their ankles, trying to play catch up, as CTM sell s thousands of joints to satisfied customers across the nation.
Why are you guys so quick to hope for some new cure from corporate heros, when all the solution you need is already here, and being manufactured by someone who truly worked his ass off to get it to you 1st.
I swear, if some of you guys couldnt read Off Road rag advertising hype, you would have no clue that there even was, such thing as axle swaps and upgrades.

CTM and Warn shafts. They are here, they are proven, they are not lying to you about when you might be able to have them.

Originally posted by H8monday
Why are you guys so quick to hope for some new cure from corporate heros, when all the solution you need is already here, and being manufactured by someone who truly worked his ass off to get it to you 1st.
I swear, if some of you guys couldnt read Off Road rag advertising hype, you would have no clue that there even was, such thing as axle swaps and upgrades.


Uh, I can't speak for everyone, but I was talking specifically about my lockers... When I get around to being able to afford some new shafts and joints, My money is probably going to CTM...

Competition IS a good thing though--The sooner Superior or Ox comes out with a new joint and the turd-polishing mall cruiser crowd starts buying them for their Dana 30s, (and IF they are cheaper than the CTMs) the better chance I have of getting some CTMs at a more competetive price...

My $.63 USD,
Jake

Jakesteramalamajama- I completely understand. I would prefer they (and other compainess) tell the "truth". But how likely is that from most companies?? I know at my work, they get mad at me when I tell the truth, or close to it. Because they would rather hide behind their lies. I don't like that. I tell the truth, and if it hurts, sorry. Because I can't do anything to help the situation. But atleast my customers know what they are getting.

A lot of times it happens when the company takes on too many projects att one time and then nothing gets accomplished very fast. Multi-tasking is worthless!! I know that much.

And I hope more compaines make the stronger U-joints. Because I know that $150 is with a pretty good margin for CTM. I know what I could put them out for, and if they are even close, they are maing good money. Competition usually means lower prices...

Happy wheelin!!!!!!

Originally posted by H8monday
Why go through all of the bull shit that these companies are dishing out?............

Why are you guys so quick to hope for some new cure from corporate heros, when all the solution you need is already here, and being manufactured by someone who truly worked his ass off to get it to you 1st............

Cause they are NOT here for the D30 and thats what this post is about. If Im wrong then tell me.

Originally posted by coachgeo


Cause they are NOT here for the D30 and thats what this post is about. If Im wrong then tell me.

You can put the CTMs in D30 axles... You just have to have axle shafts that take a 297-X and are machined for full-circle clips (Warn or Moser).

Jake

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama


You can put the CTMs in D30 axles... You just have to have axle shafts that take a 297-X and are machined for full-circle clips (Warn or Moser).

Jake

my understanding is that no one yet makes a Dana 30 NON HUBBED style chromolly or simular axil shaft "yet". From what i have read to use the existing manifactures chromolly shafts on a TJ dana 30 you also have to install a hub kit .

is this wrong information?

This information I know to be factual and true.

The Super Evolution Axles for the D-30 (27 Spline with 5-297 u-joint) will be available shortly. 30 Spline Axles with Custom Ox Locker will follow in the not too distant future.

The inner shafts are currently being manufactured to build up an intial stock, and then the outer shafts will be produced to build up an initial stock.

All shafts will be chromolly with two hardness treatments. True Hardening for the entire shafts, and then a secondary Induction Hardening for the surface area.

These shafts will be sold as a part of a total system which will include a new style U-joint which has been patented by OX Trax.

I do not know if the u-joint will be sold standalone but I would think so.

These U-joint will not use Clips to retain the caps as there will be no caps, but rather large pins which are pressed in from the outside and retained by a single Allen Retainer Bolt in the center of the U-joint.

There will be no roller bearings, but rather replaceable bushings which are made of some unspecified aerospace material and fully greaseable. (I suspect Titanium, but I do not know this.)


The grease passages are designed FIFO, first in, first out so each joint can be fully flushed without disassembling the unit.

Each will come with a 5 year guarantee.

The pricing has not yet been set. But from what I understand the target to be, most folks are going to be pleasantly surprised. We will have to wait on that part.

There is no hard date as to when these will be available. As stated above, the inners are in production now, the outers will go into production soon.

Frank

Geeze Frank your becoming our resident expert on high priced swag to beef up mini axles.
You, have got to know the answer to this question that I have been pondering for some time. Provided that its not a patented trade secret, could you please tell me,....What is the active ingredient in that special polish that turns an everyday yard turd, into a brilliant shining, trophy turd? :flipoff2: Inquiring minds want to know
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Unobtanium:flipoff2:


OX, Foote Axle and Forge, Drivetrain direct, and Superior are all seperate d.b.a's of the same owners. Or at least one set of owners have a share of each. Superior/Foote makes Ox stuff. I've heard it from the mouth of Mike Denton heir/president. Nice guy, good product for those that want to upgrade what they got. End of story.

For the rest of us that wheel the piss out of stuff. Thank god for Jack of CTM.

Hello Mr. H8, Hi Steve

How are you guys this bright and cheerful Saturday morning?


What can I tell you guys, I have a tendency to answer the question at hand, like;

Any news yet on the super 30 axil and joint from OX?

I've found over the years that generally speaking this is the best policy to have.

What do you guys think? :)

I mean if the question was;

Any news yet on the Galacticly Strong D-60 axil and joint from ABC Company?

Then I would provide any information I might have on it, if I thought it would be of value to answer the question at hand.

That given, That wasn't the question.

Do you have any D-60's questions I might be able to help you with? :)

After all I am one of the owners of Dana Corp. (And a nice guy too!) I'll help you out if I can, all you have to do is ask? :)

Just had a revelation! I think that makes you my customers! I better be nice if I know what's good for me and want to eat! :)

Steve, does it matter to you who owns these companies?

If it does I think I can point you in a direction to find out factually and accurately.

While it is common knowledge that SOME of the owners of these businesses do indeed own a part of each of these companies (I don't know this to be true about OX Trax, I doubt that one), NOT EVERY owner owns a piece of each company. It is a sub-set of owners.


Each is a separate company (incorporated legal entities onto themselves), not divisions of one company "Doing Business As", even thought there is some commonality of individual share holders.

This is a matter of Public Record and is available from the California Secretary of State's Office.

The same shareholder (ownership) information is available for CTM, (if CTM is an incorporated business, which I suspect it would be for liability reasons) if you have a need to know this info too.

For OX Trax, you would most likely have best results by checking with the Florida Secretary of State's Office, but in reality they could be incorporated in any state.

Most States make this information available on-line, if you have an interest in following up on this.

All, are required by US Law to make this information available in some form for public consumption. You would have to incorporate off-shore if you wanted to keep this stuff secret for some reason.


Steve, any chance you can get Mike Denton to share with you what the Ox U-Joint Bushing will be made of?

I know as fact it is NOT 300M like the CTM, and I know it is something much harder, but I am only speculating they are going to be made of a Titanium Alloy?

That would be great information if you could get it! Thanks in advance.

Frank

Originally posted by Daless2
Hello Mr. H8, Hi Steve


After all I am one of the owners of Dana Corp. (And a nice guy too!) I'll help you out if I can, all you have to do is ask? :)

Just had a revelation! I think that makes you my customers! I better be nice if I know what's good for me and want to eat! :)



If you could find it in your heart to direct a delivery truck to my doorstep with a reverse cut D60 front axle assembly, I will consider retracting some of my prior, rude and uncalled for statements, and I will promise to only speak kindly of you in the future.:D

Originally posted by H8monday


If you could find it in your heart to direct a delivery truck to my doorstep with a reverse cut D60 front axle assembly, I will consider retracting some of my prior, rude and uncalled for statements, and I will promise to only speak kindly of you in the future.:D

Hey Mr. H8, that was a great reply, put me on the spot with that one.

Hmmmmm.....

Let me see,

On one hand there is Shareholder Value,

On the other hand there is Customer Service,


Hmmmmmmm........... Boy this one is tough...............

I know, I got it! I'll do nothing!!!! :), but rather take it under advisement!!!!

It's been a busy day on the east coast today, helped a friend install a 35 spline D-60 front (Yes those axle are BIG), polished up my Super 35 and Ox Locker Cover, installed a new High Clearance Gas tank skid plate for my Low rider, and did the first trial fit of my Atlas. Still have some floor trimming to do, but my arms are not a young as they used to be. Guess it's going to have to sit around apart for a few more days, so my arms can recuperate and my Super 35 can rest up for coming events!

Have a great day my friend, :)

Frank

Frank,
As I stated.
1)M.D. Good guy

2)Good products

3)They (being the mfg. co's) are currently building a system type of aproach for upgrading certain axles.

4)I know they are a corporation, but felt it was boring to get into the details of the workings of corporate share holders.

5) I could care less that they are co owned by the same group of people. I am suggsting the likely hood of similar products because the are made/owned from/by the same group of people.

6) Thanks for the moderating help :rolleyes: We could all answer only the questions at hand, be nice to each other, have a camp out, make some s'mores, hold hands, and sing Coom bye yah (sp?) :zzz: Or we could down a few :beer: :blender: And heckle the newbies going through the "box" for the first time. This is PBB we do the latter. :flipoff2: I here JU's great if you want to hold hands.

Hi Steve, and thank you for your reply.

Forgive me, but I am a little slow at times.

I was under the impression that "all" the experts were out here on the PBB, and if one wanted to get accurate information or find the answer to a question that this was "THE" place to go for it!

I just don't know how I could have been so wrong.


I didn't realize the objective was to heckle the newbies going through the "box" for the first time!!!

Can anybody play?

I want to play! Can I? Can I? Please?!!!!! Pick me, pick me, I want to play so badly!!!



But lets not just limit it to just the newbies here. Certainly we can have more fun then that!

Let's run the multi 1,000's post experts through the "box" too!

Irreverence to all !

Yea I like that, especially when statements are present as fact when in reality many times they are not, and many times nothing of any value what-so-ever is presented to someone asking a question.


No one will have to hold hands, unless they want to, (but as you said they can go to JU for that if that) , and everyone, including the experts will go through the "expand box" for the first time.

When statements are presented as fact they will be "challenged in a constructive way"!
(Sorry, I just can't get away from my leaning toward hand holding, helpfulness and desire to pass the limited knowledge I have on to others.)

Even newbies to PBB will challenge!

Imagine that! What a powerful thought! It's almost cataclysmic!, and certainly goes against all kinds of Multi K post conventional thinking!

This is going to be a great game, because everyone on PBB will gain the benefits of accurate and factual Jeep knowledge. Everyone wins! And those that flap their lips for no reason, well they can still flap their lips and look like they look, as lip flappers who at best do not have an answer to a question, and at worst, look like they look, as lip flappers. (I think I just said that!)


OK, with that said, I'll go first!

When I replied to your original post I thought I was replying to the statements you presented as fact as to Ox Trax, Foote Axle and Forge, Drivetrain Direct and Superior all being separate d.b.s's of the same owners.

I clearly understand now that you could care less about who owns these different companies (your items #4 and #5). Yet at the time it seemed to be important to you, else why would you post it, and why would I reply as I did?

Guess I tried to take you by the hand (Does that count as hand holding? Bad Frank! Bad!) and walk you through the process of getting the accurate and correct information on ownership without realizing it wasn't important to you.

Sorry!


I now know what you really meant to say was;

"I am suggesting the likely hood of similar products because the are made/owned from/by the same group of people." Also your item #4 and #5 above.

Again I don't know how I could have missed that, but I did.


Oh yea, on the moderating help, you're welcome. (Your item #6)

I will do what I can to answer peoples questions, when I believe I have something of value to respond with. Else I won't flap my own lips (or keys) but rather exercise some discipline on the value of my own importance.


On your items #'d 1, 2, and 3. I tip my hat to you and also sincerely apologize to you as well. I do not think I implied or attributed anything you said as a negative in this regard. But if I came across that way I am sorry. That was not my intent.

(Damn I'm good sometimes. I can't believe I actually said that without another hand holding comment.)


Hey Steve, thanks for putting up with me. I think we can all take a joke, enjoy the entertainment and learn something in the process. I know I can. :)


I especially like those little blue faces with the teeth showing.

You know the one's I mean? The one where the guy has those really skinny legs and incredibly swollen knees!


Every time I see one of those little blue faces I have to ask myself, why would anyone with a blue face, toothpick skinny legs and such incredibly swollen knees want to share their portrait with the world? ( I guess to each their own.)

(I do have a few thoughts on how one would get a blue face, toothpick skinny legs and swollen knees like that, but I will keep them to myself, else the PBB JEEP moderator would have every right to slap audits and edits on me!)

Have a great day Steve, and yea, I guess it's your turn. Just remember only real rule, no hand holding (I learned that the hard way)! :)

Frank
(PBB newbie with a small n and low post count, what could I possibly know?)

PS. Sorry about not numbering my responses, It just didn't fit me. Perhaps in time.

SteveN- heckle the newbies going through the "box" for the first time

Daless2- I didn't realize the objective was to heckle the newbies going through the "box" for the first time!!!....

Let's run the multi 1,000's post experts through the "box" too!...

will go through the "expand box" for the first time....

Daless2- Do you even know what *the box* is:question:
(If you don't then I think you are showing your ignorance about this site)

Originally posted by bigdude




Daless2- Do you even know what *the box* is:question:
(If you don't then I think you are showing your ignorance about this site)

Hi bigdude,

I assure you, it wouldn't be the first time I have shown my ignorance on any given topic of insignificant important to me.


But then again, I don't have any confidence problems, do you?

What I am interested in is Jeeps and Jeeping. I am interested in enjoying a hobby, sometimes with people who have less experience then me, and most times with people who have far more experience then me.

I don't have any real interest in playing a petty little game with anyone who wishing to jerk my chain. Yet I am just too ignorant, and too much of a newbie to realize I shouldn't jerk someone's chain right back.

That said:

I see you are in Brandon, FL. If I am not mistaken isn't that just a bit east of Tampa Bay?

What are the trails like down your way?

Any bigrocks? Steep grades?

Or are they mostly flatlander 'stuff' with lots of coral gravel road, water, mud and tidal basin estuaries?

I couldn't find too much on my topo maps of the area.

I mean nothing appears to be over 12 feet above sea level, and the grades all seemed to be so small, measurements are given in 100's decimal points of One Percent.

But then again I don't really know what specific area to look at. (My ignorance shining through again! What can I say?)

Do you Wheel in this area?

How much of a challenge is it?

And how well built should a Jeep be for this challenge?

Do you need D-60's to handle these challenges? 10 inches of lift? What else?

Let me know, I'd be interested.

Frank

PS: We can go on for days doing a tit for tat thing here, and that might actually be fun, even if of useless value.

Or,

We can laugh it off and get on with the hobby, enjoy the entertainment, each other company, exchange views and ideas, and yes even be respectful of one another.

You can choose!

YO

PIN HEADS :mad: :mad: :mad:


your wasting PBB site's space with ur gibberish and trashing my post.


GET BACK ON TOPIC

Thank YOU :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

coachgeo,

You are right, and I apologize.

I stand corrected.

Frank

Wow!! Thats a lot of thought provoking information, and opinion to wallow through,... so much in fact, that I had to pick and choose the portions that even in the slightest seemed of interest.
Ill try to respond to the dozens of paragraphs, without the assistance of my attorney breaking it all down, for me to personaly try and comprehend.

1: I like the idea that we should fawk with everyone, as well as the newbies, but thats been my philosophy all along.

2:....... I dont think there is a number 2.

Let me know, I'd be interested

Well here's a summary for you turkey:flipoff2:

I'm new to FL and have lived here for only 8 months. I work for a mining company (IMC Global if you'd like to I'm not fabricating this). We mine phosphate and occasionally break the hard pan (about 80 ft down) which is solid limestone (I don't think your topo map would show this:D )

When the hard pan is broken we take all the fragments (and yes they are Jeep sized) and throw them in a single area. My company allows me to wheel this area and I bring a select few with me. This is my personal FL rock garden totalling about the size of 1/2 a football field. yes this is a tough area as the rocks were just *pitched* in there.

Now being that I'm new to FL you might wonder where I've previously lived (since obviously there isn't any good crawling down here, right?).

I resided in SC just outside of Greenville and about 2 hrs from Tellico for a brief stint. Tellico is tough and I'm sure you know that already.

There's more too.

When I really got into wheeling was living 20 minutes from the Attica Badlands in Indiana for 12 years of my life. It's nice to have a privately owned off-road park 20 minutes from home. if you haven't been there I'll just let you know it's not hype, there really is some serious wheeling there. I'm sure many on this board will attest to that.

Currently my Jeep is under construction with a HP60 and 14Bolt (5.13's with Detroits). The axles are completed and awaiting my tires/wheels/springs. All of which have been ordered and are in transit.

I've broken enough axle sh!t to feel these mods were needed.

Here's some more for you:flipoff2:

My Jeep rides on a trailer and I tow it with a '99 Tahoe. That means I wheel where ever the fawk I want. Also I'm 23 so driving 10 hrs (to Tellico) to wheel all weekend then driving home for work Monday isn't very hard either.

I am paying for all this myself which speaks wonders for what a college education can get you.

I don't know if that was tit or tat but hopefully I answered all your questions:mad3:.

Good morning bigdude, and thank you for your reply.

You most certainly did answer my questions.

I couldn't agree with you more about Attica Badlands, great place to wheel, as is Tellico. Perhaps next time your up this way or that way we can meet up and wheel together.

FYI, there is a new place currently being developed called Jellico.

It is located in TN at the very last exit on I 75 North prior to entering Kentucky. It is primarily set up as a competition course. This too is a private property.

Matter of fact, there is a competition event going on this coming weekend at Jellico.

If your interested I will send you the site addresses that will have the pictures of the event next week.

There is one thing I am incredibly envious of bigdude, Oh to be 23 years old again!

Good luck to you.

Frank

Originally posted by coachgeo
YO

PIN HEADS :mad: :mad: :mad:


your wasting PBB site's space with ur gibberish and trashing my post.


GET BACK ON TOPIC

Thank YOU :flipoff2: :flipoff2:


Coachgeo,
You have got to expect this kind of giberish, when you post something like, "When all the "Neato Swag", go "On Sale", for my D30?" :bounce: :bounce2:,... :rolleyes:

Most of us have been down that road, and know that anything you put into your D30 or D35, will end up on the shop floor a year from know while your trying to get pennies on the dollar for all of your effort.
You could swap in a D44 for cheaper, less hassle and less wait, than trying to install a bunch of high dollar crap, that you keep reading about in the off road rags.
Its not like, there are no other affordable alternatives, to the platinum plated, titanium embedded, cobalt enriched, nasa projects they are trying to sell to you. Just visit a junk yard while the D44 are still affordable.

Daless2-

I'll be at the event this coming weekend, team #106, spotter- Kevin Shipley:D

ERocC Teams (http://www.jrocc.com/jrocc/erocc2002.nsf)

Maybe I'll email you some of the pics I get;)

Originally posted by bigdude
Daless2-

I'll be at the event this coming weekend, team #106, spotter- Kevin Shipley:D

ERocC Teams (http://www.jrocc.com/jrocc/erocc2002.nsf)

Maybe I'll email you some of the pics I get;)

Hey that's great Kevin, perhaps we will have a chance to chat there.

While I am not participating myself, I should be there offering moral support to my friends Rusty and Brian from Kentucky Offroad Center, Team 22.

Hope to catch up with you there?

Are you headed out on Friday?

I will be there only for Saturday's events as my own Jeep is sitting all apart waiting for the me to recuperate some energy.

Frank

Are you headed out on Friday?

I'm heading out Thursday night (arriving Friday morning) and will be staying at the Best Western. There are a few of us from this BB staying at the Best Western (badassjeepguy for sure) along with my partner, and our friend Durham and Shupe.

Here's a gen4x4 thread detailing what PBB members will be there erocc thread (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43233&highlight=erocc)

I'm sure I'll see you on Saturday sometime

Originally posted by H8monday



Coachgeo,
..........

You could swap in a D44 for cheaper, less hassle and less wait, than trying to install a bunch of high dollar crap, that you keep reading about in the off road rags. .........


Most my knowledge is from here..... I scan off road mags .... reading them only proves u learn it here first.

BUTTTT.... in this case.... your math does not add up. rebuilding and modfifiying a 44 with arb and gears to match my 30 as it is now would cost im estimating close to 500 buks more than putting new shafts and CTM or OX joints in my 30.

Ive wheeled Utah, CO, AZ, CA, NV, and im not talking the easy shit. I use technique and not so much pedal thus I break less.... and ive never broke an axil or joints (I'm a daily driver cause its my only vehicle and I have a 44 rear-30 front w/35" MTR's (I need two new ones) and a 4:1 w/456 gears).

My concern is now I live in mud country and that requires more RPM thus increased load on axils and joints etc. So im just tryig to prepare myself for the world in which I now live. Including not great income.