: 97 Defender 90 reliability


Suareezay
03-28-2006, 01:57 PM
In the market (possibly) for a low miles (sub 20k range) for a daily driver.

I dont know anyone that owns one to get feedback from, so I was wondering if there were any major issues. Assuming it is in good condition, and well maintained, what kind of reliability are we looking at? And does Land Rover service d90s?

Also, if anyone could point me in the direction of a good place to look for one, that would great. I came across Copley Motorcars, and they seem great.

DChapman
03-28-2006, 02:26 PM
Let me know when you find a 97 with low miles under 20k.

Suareezay
03-28-2006, 02:57 PM
Let me know when you find a 97 with low miles under 20k.
Copley Motorcars has 6 of them, and a few with miles in the 20's. Not all are 97s, or d90s but you get the idea...there are also a few local d90s with under 20k.
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/8bbf55x109cfc2bb36xx7fd0.JPG
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http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_rover5_35.3vo966.html
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_rover5_35.3vo877.html
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_rover5_35.3vo888.html
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http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_rover5_35.3vo821.html
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http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/8e4805x1072e66cf79xy7fda.JPG
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/8bbf55x109cfc2bb36xx7f9a.JPG

tkavan01
03-28-2006, 03:49 PM
Copley Motorcars has 6 of them, and a few with miles in the 20's. Not all are 97s, or d90s but you get the idea...there are also a few local d90s with under 20k.
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/8bbf55x109cfc2bb36xx7fd0.JPG
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/9d3b3ax10a13ced12dxx7fc3.JPG
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_rover5_35.3vo966.html
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_rover5_35.3vo877.html
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_rover5_35.3vo888.html
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/9d3b3ax10a13ced12dxx7feb.JPG
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_rover5_35.3vo821.html
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/158cc6x109ac03429fxy7fc8.JPG
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/8e4805x1072e66cf79xy7fda.JPG
http://www.copleymotorcars.com/uploads/5.3/8bbf55x109cfc2bb36xx7f9a.JPG


I think he meant let him know when you find a d90 with low miles for under 20k...

from everything i've read the lower miles ones will actually cost you more in the near term bc you'll have to replace alot of stuff that would have already been replaced

RPR
03-28-2006, 04:23 PM
Oh no, you don't want one of those:shaking:

First of all, coils are for :rainbow:

Second, reliability is awful. NAS 90s/110s were notoriously insufficiently endowed with Lucas electronic components - THE name in reliability;

Third, disc brakes ? Are you mad? All kinds of problems, very expensive bits and bobs, remarkably difficult to properly adjust;

Fourth, insufficient ventilation. The obsession with "leaks" that plagued NAS 90/110 production meant a 357% reduction in leakage vs comparable European models and a 932% reduction vs the latter Series III models. They may as well be hermetically sealed. You could die for lack of oxygen, let alone the lack of rainwater interior moisturization;

Fifth, loss of the Automatic Rust Security Emmissions system. Again the entire NAS 90/110 suffers from the discontinuation of ARSE under the Defender programme, and consequently are subject to significantly greater chassis rot than Series vehicles. Series ARSE ensured a scientifically metered flow of lubricating and rust inhibiting fluids form reserves in the gearbox, sump, differentials and through virtually every other seal, to ensure constant chassis protection. NAS Defender's have no ARSE

Sixth, heating and cooling systems. They have them. Need I say more ?

Seventh, power to weight ratio. The 3.9 V8 is woefully inadequate to shift the weight of a 90, let alone a 110 whereas the 2.25... wait, I think I might have gotten that backasswards....

Anyway, you don't want one of those. You want a leaky, smelly, sparky, underpowered, hot/cold, bone jarring 30 year old leafer with ARSE.

Jack Straw
03-28-2006, 04:52 PM
a scientifically metered flow of lubricating and rust inhibiting fluids form reserves in the gearbox, sump, differentials and through virtually every other seal, to ensure constant chassis protection..

Wew, glad mine is in working order, and to think I was going to stuff the seals with silly putty to save $ on my weekly fluid expense.

androbus
03-28-2006, 04:57 PM
In the market (possibly) for a low miles (sub 20k range) for a daily driver.

I dont know anyone that owns one to get feedback from, so I was wondering if there were any major issues. Assuming it is in good condition, and well maintained, what kind of reliability are we looking at? And does Land Rover service d90s?

Also, if anyone could point me in the direction of a good place to look for one, that would great. I came across Copley Motorcars, and they seem great.

hmm! not quite teh right place to ask such a question...
I am surprised you have not had your ass handed to you on a plate! must be an off day?
if you can afford copley motors prices, and plan on simply driving it around the streets you can afford teh dealer maintenance as well i guess...last time i heard they were not wanting to work on any defenders at most dealers, but some work on everything...you have to ask your local one...but there are always independant brit mechanics who can as well...or you can do as most of us have and learn to do it all yourself. reliability is a subjecgtive thing...as far as i am concerned? they are very reliable..as far as a Honda owner or toyota owner..not so much...anyway......if you like a vehicle and can afford it...than just buy it and enjoy. if it breaks get it fixed(or do it yourself) while it's down just drive one of your other cars?

cptyarderho
03-28-2006, 06:33 PM
I believe you are looking for D-90.com or discoweb.com

aloharover
03-28-2006, 07:18 PM
If you change out the suspension, stretch the wheelbase by about 10-12", get some new axles built, replace the engine, tranny and the xfercase it does pretty good offroad. Search for Frankenrovers truck.

Serious One
03-28-2006, 08:51 PM
If you change out the suspension, stretch the wheelbase by about 10-12", get some new axles built, replace the engine, tranny and the xfercase it does pretty good offroad. Search for Frankenrovers truck.

Now wait just a minute...the LT-230 is a mighty fine transfercase! :D

PTSchram
03-28-2006, 10:42 PM
If I had any idea where the fuck you are, I might be able to tell you if there was a dealer nearby who could service your truck.

Based upon your refusal to provide any information in your profile, I'm tempted to assume that you are one of two things. A troll who's only here to amuse yourself at our expense, or you're an idiot who stumbled in here with no idea what den of lions you've roused.

Low mileage '97 Defenders are not cheap to buy, insure, drive, nor maintain.

If you don't want to join a cult, don't buy a Land Rover.

I'm tired, fought with the wife, dealt with foolish Land Rover owners all day and had a coupla beers with Simon. I'm going to bed.

PT

Buckon37s
03-28-2006, 11:10 PM
If you change out the suspension, stretch the wheelbase by about 10-12", get some new axles built, replace the engine, tranny and the xfercase it does pretty good offroad. Search for Frankenrovers truck.

Done and Done :p :flipoff2:

Junkyddog11
03-29-2006, 04:51 AM
Jayzuss PT.....don't let the bastards get you down, the PITA Rover owners that is.

As for the PITA wanna be Rover owners......:flipoff2: Get used to it...especially if you buy something from Copley.

Matt Browne
Overland Engineering

Overload
03-29-2006, 06:38 AM
Oh no, you don't want one of those:shaking:

First of all, coils are for :rainbow:

Second, reliability is awful. NAS 90s/110s were notoriously insufficiently endowed with Lucas electronic components - THE name in reliability;

Third, disc brakes ? Are you mad? All kinds of problems, very expensive bits and bobs, remarkably difficult to properly adjust;

Fourth, insufficient ventilation. The obsession with "leaks" that plagued NAS 90/110 production meant a 357% reduction in leakage vs comparable European models and a 932% reduction vs the latter Series III models. They may as well be hermetically sealed. You could die for lack of oxygen, let alone the lack of rainwater interior moisturization;

Fifth, loss of the Automatic Rust Security Emmissions system. Again the entire NAS 90/110 suffers from the discontinuation of ARSE under the Defender programme, and consequently are subject to significantly greater chassis rot than Series vehicles. Series ARSE ensured a scientifically metered flow of lubricating and rust inhibiting fluids form reserves in the gearbox, sump, differentials and through virtually every other seal, to ensure constant chassis protection. NAS Defender's have no ARSE

Sixth, heating and cooling systems. They have them. Need I say more ?

Seventh, power to weight ratio. The 3.9 V8 is woefully inadequate to shift the weight of a 90, let alone a 110 whereas the 2.25... wait, I think I might have gotten that backasswards....

Anyway, you don't want one of those. You want a leaky, smelly, sparky, underpowered, hot/cold, bone jarring 30 year old leafer with ARSE.



Just finished lmao:D
Just wanted to let you know I'm looking foward to the drive home in the.............................................LR 3.

Serious One
03-29-2006, 07:33 AM
...had a coupla beers with Simon. I'm going to bed.

Yeah, that'll rile the best of 'em up. :laughing:

PTSchram
03-29-2006, 08:15 AM
Jayzuss PT.....don't let the bastards get you down, the PITA Rover owners that is.

As for the PITA wanna be Rover owners......:flipoff2: Get used to it...especially if you buy something from Copley.

Matt Browne
Overland Engineering

Matt:
Can you imagine this being the first place one would come to for info on buying a Defender? I can't! Hence my comments. I have often wondered just how many of these sorts of posts are valid and how many are childish trolls trying to bait the Pirates to the gang plank-hand me a belaying pin matey:flipoff2:

rugburn
03-29-2006, 08:33 AM
Too many beers at the Horse Brass PT?????

Hee hee hee

Back to town tonight from the MidWest.

By the way, D90's a re a great rig, but as stated, they are very costly to wheel, DD, insure, maintain, and BREAK if you plan on wheeling like most of us do.......

Simon
03-29-2006, 08:35 AM
The parts involving dealing with fools (Land Rover owners or otherwise) all day and fighting with the wife sounds like a typical day to me. Cripes PT, I started yesterday at 5 am with a three mile run on a bad knee, 200 crunches, a full days' work, two slices of pizza left over from Saturday for dinner, a scotch and a beer in a damn smokey bar with you, and ended it with a two mile dog walk and fighting with my wife via phone (she's in Palm Vegas) as I walked the dog. Thankfully I ended the day watching afew episodes of Aqua Teen Hunger Force before retiring to my chambers at 10:30. So quit biatching, biatch!

Oh yeah, all of this after my near death experience Sunday (second one in thirty days). Anyone want to buy a 109 with sketchy steering? Much more reliable than a 97 Defender.

Simon

aloharover
03-29-2006, 09:44 AM
Now wait just a minute...the LT-230 is a mighty fine transfercase! :D

Sure it is. But its a whole lot easier to stick a 4sp Atlas behind a NV4500 and since your going to want custom axles anyway might as well use something thats centered.

ABrooks
03-29-2006, 09:56 AM
I dunno, my '94 90 has been far more reliable that any of the other rovers I've had, most likely due to the simplicity (or lack of) subsystems.

aloharover
03-29-2006, 10:27 AM
Copley Motorcars has 6 of them, and a few with miles in the 20's. Not all are 97s, or d90s but you get the idea...there are also a few local d90s with under 20k.

Wow you do a great job of proving your point.

"Looking for a 97, low miles for $20k"

"Copley has some"

"But they are not 97s or D90s"

:laughing:

If you look closely at their listings they have one vehicle even in the 20s, its 26K and has 150+k miles.

Saw one more at 38k they rest are all over 40k.

aloharover
03-29-2006, 10:28 AM
I dunno, my '94 90 has been far more reliable that any of the other rovers I've had, most likely due to the simplicity (or lack of) subsystems.

Comparing the reliability of a Rover against other Rovers is kind of a week argument don't you think?

ABrooks
03-29-2006, 12:40 PM
Comparing the reliability of a Rover against other Rovers is kind of a week argument don't you think?

I think the term "lesser of two evils" applies here. Lucas will have his way with the poor bastard no matter what rover he gets, though.

aloharover
03-29-2006, 02:28 PM
I think the term "lesser of two evils" applies here. Lucas will have his way with the poor bastard no matter what rover he gets, though.

:laughing: :laughing:

PTSchram
03-29-2006, 08:03 PM
The parts involving dealing with fools (Land Rover owners or otherwise) all day and fighting with the wife sounds like a typical day to me. Cripes PT, I started yesterday at 5 am with a three mile run on a bad knee, 200 crunches, a full days' work, two slices of pizza left over from Saturday for dinner, a scotch and a beer in a damn smokey bar with you, and ended it with a two mile dog walk and fighting with my wife via phone (she's in Palm Vegas) as I walked the dog. Thankfully I ended the day watching afew episodes of Aqua Teen Hunger Force before retiring to my chambers at 10:30. So quit biatching, biatch!

Oh yeah, all of this after my near death experience Sunday (second one in thirty days). Anyone want to buy a 109 with sketchy steering? Much more reliable than a 97 Defender.

Simon

LOL! Aqua teen hunger force! Shopboy is gonna like meeting you as much as I did:flipoff2:

In addition to the issues related earlier, dealing with a newbie who might just be a troll was the crowning achievement of the day.

All is good today, I got to spend most of the day driving supercharged RR Sports!!!:flipoff2: :grinpimp: :D

As for the reference to the D90 in the low 20Ks, if you read the posting, he wants a truck with miles in the low 20K range. Every situation I've heard of folks finding such trucks, the prices rival what I have paid for houses!

Suareezay
03-30-2006, 12:24 AM
Wow you do a great job of proving your point.

"Looking for a 97, low miles for $20k"

"Copley has some"

"But they are not 97s or D90s"

:laughing:

If you look closely at their listings they have one vehicle even in the 20s, its 26K and has 150+k miles.

Saw one more at 38k they rest are all over 40k.
sorry guys, i didnt know the rover section of Pirate consisted primarily of dicks.

I did prove my point shithead. Read my first post. I said i was looking for a "low miles d90" and specified that "low" meant under 20,000 miles, not dollars. Theres not a dollar sign anywhere in my post.

I then posted multiple links to 97 d90s with under 20k miles (exactly what i asked for), and a few other misc years, as well as some 110s (to show the extent of copleys inventory).

Tryin getting your head out of your ass before you post.

If I had any idea where the fuck you are, I might be able to tell you if there was a dealer nearby who could service your truck.

Based upon your refusal to provide any information in your profile, I'm tempted to assume that you are one of two things. A troll who's only here to amuse yourself at our expense, or you're an idiot who stumbled in here with no idea what den of lions you've roused.

Since when is it a law for me to provide an autobiography and contact information in my profile. What relevance does that have to my question?

"amuse myself at your expense". What amusement could i possibly get out of asking how reliable defenders are from people that are more experienced with them than myself? At your expense? what expense? wtf is this dickhead talking about.

Den of lions? Great metaphor, jesus youre a douche.

Junkyddog11
03-30-2006, 05:01 AM
Hello.....my name is Matt and I'm a dickhead:smokin:

PT is a supercharged dickhead...........of the finest kind:flipoff2:

aloharover
03-30-2006, 05:28 AM
I did prove my point shithead. Read my first post. I said i was looking for a "low miles d90" and specified that "low" meant under 20,000 miles, not dollars. Theres not a dollar sign anywhere in my post.

I then posted multiple links to 97 d90s with under 20k miles (exactly what i asked for), and a few other misc years, as well as some 110s (to show the extent of copleys inventory).



Yeap, I did get the milage and the $$ confused.

But you did say they have six and then only posted ONE link to a 1997 D90 with milage in the sub 20s.:flipoff2:

http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_rover5_35.3vo966.html

Again what you said was:
"Copley Motorcars has 6 of them, and a few with miles in the 20's. Not all are 97s, or d90s but you get the idea..."

So that gave me the idea that you don't know what you are really talking about. And yeah I guess since I don't understand you simple, straight forward logic I have my head up my ass. :rolleyes:

But if you really want a 1997 D90 with under 20k on the odometer they are out there. And if you think they are worth $50,000+ then buy one. Just another example of more money then common sense. But if you think that spending 50k for an almost 10yo vehicle thats worth 1/10th that amount will help prove that you are a man then maybe you need to worry more about getting your head out of your ass instead of where mine is.

The Rover section isn't any different from most of the rest of the website. A website dedicated to building and fabricating vehicles for off road use. And incase you didn't notice upo at the top of the page, the off road use de jour is "extreme rockcrawling".
So yeah folks get sick and tired of people complaining about their electric seats not working, or asking how to fit 31" tires under their P38, or asking where to find a specific vehicle. Thats what google is for. Or DWeb even. Folks have actually been pretty nice in this thread.

dmarch
03-30-2006, 06:06 AM
sorry guys, i didnt know the rover section of Pirate consisted primarily of dicks.
-Edit-
Den of lions? Great metaphor, jesus youre a douche.

You certainly are captain cool. Welcome to the internet. Where douches, dicks and lions can all peacefully coexist.

aloharover
03-30-2006, 10:13 AM
And the icing on the cake.
You take an IFS vehicle, jack it up 10", run 38" tires and then start wondering why the stock drive train is having issues?
And I have my head up my ass?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=417072

Keith Armstrong
03-30-2006, 10:59 AM
Yada yada yada.....the only reason there's a 97 D90 SW in my garage is that I got the phone call from SWMBO .... "honey, what's that red and white Rover up on the rock at the dealer??? I think we should drive that one..."

Honest, not my idea, but a reasonable replacement for the Freeloader that preceeded it :)

So far (now I've jinxed it) it hasn't declined in value.

Serious One
03-30-2006, 12:46 PM
You certainly are captain cool. Welcome to the internet. Where douches, dicks and lions can all peacefully coexist.

Sounds kind of like a modern-day Noah's Ark.

Welcome to Pirate Suareeeeeezzzzay. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out. :shaking:

Oh, if you want an overpriced piece of shit, I suggest you consider the one I currently have for sale. How much you ask? $85,000

Suareezay
03-30-2006, 02:28 PM
Yeap, I did get the milage and the $$ confused.

But you did say they have six and then only posted ONE link to a 1997 D90 with milage in the sub 20s.

http://www.copleymotorcars.com/land_...35.3vo966.html

Again what you said was:
"Copley Motorcars has 6 of them, and a few with miles in the 20's. Not all are 97s, or d90s but you get the idea..."

So that gave me the idea that you don't know what you are really talking about. And yeah I guess since I don't understand you simple, straight forward logic I have my head up my ass.

But if you really want a 1997 D90 with under 20k on the odometer they are out there. And if you think they are worth $50,000+ then buy one. Just another example of more money then common sense. But if you think that spending 50k for an almost 10yo vehicle thats worth 1/10th that amount will help prove that you are a man then maybe you need to worry more about getting your head out of your ass instead of where mine is.

The Rover section isn't any different from most of the rest of the website. A website dedicated to building and fabricating vehicles for off road use. And incase you didn't notice upo at the top of the page, the off road use de jour is "extreme rockcrawling".
So yeah folks get sick and tired of people complaining about their electric seats not working, or asking how to fit 31" tires under their P38, or asking where to find a specific vehicle. Thats what google is for. Or DWeb even. Folks have actually been pretty nice in this thread.
Well your half correct on that one...i actually posted 3 links to 97s with under 20k miles (as in the distance on the odometer, not dollars, remember) the other two just showed up as pictures. I guess i copied the .jpg url instead of the website, my bad. I dont know where i got 6 from.

As for a d90 being worth $50k (this time, theres a dollar sign, indicating price)...no way would i pay that for one, hence the reason im asking for sources other than Copley.

I was unaware that reliability issues concerning land rovers was taboo in the land rover section of truck forums. Once again, get your heads out of your asses...you guys have first hand experience with D90s, i dont, i was asking a simple question.:rolleyes:

lol you guys have been nice in this thread? Id call you bunch of faggoty internet tough guy dicks, but well agree to disagree on that one.
And the icing on the cake.
You take an IFS vehicle, jack it up 10", run 38" tires and then start wondering why the stock drive train is having issues?
And I have my head up my ass?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=417072
No, i didnt wonder WHY i was having an issue, and i was wondering what exactly was causing it. How does that in any way mean i have my head up my ass? I guess now youre going to say that asking a 4x4 drivetrain related question isnt an appropriate question for the 4x4 tech talk section? Gimme a break, youre really digging for justification for being a flaming douche bag, arent you?:shaking:

You guys are just a bunch of really bitter faggots who have to take out their anger for how big of a piece of shit they are in real life on people who ask questions about Land Rovers in the Land Rover section of a truck forum. Are you kinda seeing the extent of your douche complex? Anybody?:flipoff2: I guess its no coincedence that the handful of d90 owners ive met in real life were a group of pricks who were somehow convinced they were cooler than they actually were. Guess its a common trait among you guys.

dmarch
03-30-2006, 03:05 PM
I was unaware that reliability issues concerning land rovers was taboo in the land rover section of truck forums. Once again, get your heads out of your asses...you guys have first hand experience with D90s, i dont, i was asking a simple question.:rolleyes:




A British built, nearly 10 year old vehicle will have NO reliability issues.

Does that make you feel better?

Everyone here seems to get along amicably. So what's your problem?

Simon
03-30-2006, 03:12 PM
I dunno about you guys but I really resent being referred to as a really bitter faggot. How would he know? First off, I am not a bundle of sticks, and second, I am fairly certain suarezgay or whatever his name is has never tasted me. Only a few have, and all of them were female, and none of them said I was bitter.

Simon

Suareezay
03-30-2006, 03:25 PM
I dunno about you guys but I really resent being referred to as a really bitter faggot. How would he know? First off, I am not a bundle of sticks, and second, I am fairly certain suarezgay or whatever his name is has never tasted me. Only a few have, and all of them were female, and none of them said I was bitter.

Simon
how clever, you replaced the "z" with a "g" rolfmao.:rolleyes: and um.... I wasnt referring to you.

Suareezay
03-30-2006, 03:33 PM
Everyone here seems to get along amicably. So what's your problem?
once again, i feel like im taking crazy pills.

all i did was ask a simple question or two, and i get respsones like "omg youre gonna get your ass handed to you" and get called an idiot and a troll (whatever the fuck that means) because i dont have a profile filled out (which by the way has absolutely nothing to do with my question). I also get these idiots that dont take the time to actually READ my post trying to pick it apart in an attempt to jusitfy being an ass.

Once again, i didnt start any problem, all i did was ask a question and have a couple of dickheads jump on my post as if im asking about some completely random, taboo subject that has nothing to do with rovers.

a mod can go ahead and delete this thread...Pirate has always been a helpful board, but the Rover section is apparently worthless (with the exception of a few guys who have posted in this thread).

Serious One
03-30-2006, 04:02 PM
I guess its no coincedence that the handful of d90 owners ive met in real life were a group of pricks who were somehow convinced they were cooler than they actually were.

Is that what made you decide you wanted one? Seems like you'll fit in just fine.

Change your user name, buy your truck and come back in a few weeks. If you act like a bit of a prick, have some useful shiat to share and don't mind taking some not-so-gentle ribbing, you'll fit in here great.

Everyone here has taken the same abuse you are. When it starts to aggrivate someone as much as it seems to aggrivate you, then it's a feeding frenzy.

Yummmy.

aloharover
03-30-2006, 05:30 PM
Well your half correct on that one...i actually posted 3 links to 97s with under 20k miles (as in the distance on the odometer, not dollars, remember) the other two just showed up as pictures. I guess i copied the .jpg url instead of the website, my bad. I dont know where i got 6 from.

As for a d90 being worth $50k (this time, theres a dollar sign, indicating price)...no way would i pay that for one, hence the reason im asking for sources other than Copley.

lol you guys have been nice in this thread? Id call you bunch of faggoty internet tough guy dicks, but well agree to disagree on that one.

You guys are just a bunch of really bitter faggots who have to take out their anger for how big of a piece of shit they are in real life on people who ask questions about Land Rovers in the Land Rover section of a truck forum. Are you kinda seeing the extent of your douche complex? Anybody?:flipoff2: I guess its no coincedence that the handful of d90 owners ive met in real life were a group of pricks who were somehow convinced they were cooler than they actually were. Guess its a common trait among you guys.


Someone said show me a low milage 1997 D90. You posted up a bunch of links, the majority of which didn't point to a low milage 1997 D90 and you yourself even said as much. Well I don't know what happened to the links. I followed them, I only saw one that you posted that had under 20k miles on it and the price was $50k+. It's like someone says show me some fresh apples and you provide a link to one fresh apple, a couple spoiled apples and the rest are links to oranges and then say here you go. Thats what I was picking apart. Plain and simple the inability to make a valid point.

This forum isn't a used car lot. If you want sources for vehicles check google, or Ebay.

The responses you have received are pretty nice compared to what others have received.

For the most part every post here is people kidding around. You seem to be the one with thin skin and anger issues, resorting to all the nysterics and name calling. I am pretty comfortable with my own sexuality, I just don't have a desire to partner with another male, but thats me. I have met just about every single person that has responded to you, have known some for a number of years. I guess everyone of us is married and has kids just to hide something :confused:
Also maybe everyone of us is a piece of shit and since we are all the same we don't notice it. I mean you never know. Anytime you get a large group of people together you are going to get some asses. But I have never seen a situation where the group is mostly composed of asses. Usually its one or two bad apples. Everyone here gets along pretty well. There are some interesting arguments at times, but its all good. Maybe it is you that has issues.
I read the ChitChat, Gen4x4, International, Toy and Jeep forums as well as this one and I don't see any difference between the stuff going on here and there.

You'll notice that no mods have piped up in the thread. If they have an issue with it they do, pdq, and lock em.

I would suggest that you search the forum for the info you want, but you don't appear to support the boards so I would just be wasting my breath.

AGRVR
03-30-2006, 09:44 PM
I bought mine from Bear Valley Land Rovers in Atlanta...and paid way too much for it.

If I bought another I wouldn't worry about mileage. I'd buy the one that had been taken care of and forget about how many miles it had on it.

PTSchram
03-30-2006, 09:46 PM
I find it curious how someone who might just have made the bast friend a Land Rover owner might ever find has responed in the fashion he did.

If he had perused the check-in thread, he would have known what to expect and not to expect. If he had read that same thread, he might have recognized that including info in a profile helps those of us who are so inspired and motivated to help out-leaving it out wastes bandwidth and precious time that could be spent harassing Pendy and making fun of Perrone.

If I knew where you were, I might have been able to find a dealer that not only would be willing to work on the truck, but might have some skilled folks who cared about Defenders. If he'd gotten really lucky, I might even have found a dealer than stocked parts for a somewhat unique truck.

There are some really knowledgable folks on this board. The least knowledgable here probably has more experience than the majority of folks on some of the other boards full of folk spouting knowledge gained from 10 year-old magazine articles versus some here who have spent many hours beneath these trucks.

The mods have been conspicuosly silent due to no false truths having been spoken.

Welcome to the real world, this is just a small slice.

Peace,
PT

lwg
03-30-2006, 10:58 PM
Hey Sleazy! Check here:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=342141

I sure miss Pendy.

I vote we ban this guy!!!

Buckon37s
03-30-2006, 11:32 PM
Suareezay,

Dude, this is just what pirate is. I have been beat on too. Go to www.d-90.com and post your question. You will get the answers you are after.

Oh, and, eat a bowl of dicks.- see, I haven't gone soft! :flipoff2:

aaron t
03-30-2006, 11:47 PM
Hey Sleazy! Check here:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=342141

I sure miss Pendy.

I vote we ban this guy!!!
i am a bit out of the loop, where, incidentally is pendy?

aaron t
03-30-2006, 11:48 PM
I find it curious how someone who might just have made the bast friend a Land Rover owner might ever find has responed in the fashion he did.

If he had perused the check-in thread, he would have known what to expect and not to expect. If he had read that same thread, he might have recognized that including info in a profile helps those of us who are so inspired and motivated to help out-leaving it out wastes bandwidth and precious time that could be spent harassing Pendy and making fun of Perrone.

If I knew where you were, I might have been able to find a dealer that not only would be willing to work on the truck, but might have some skilled folks who cared about Defenders. If he'd gotten really lucky, I might even have found a dealer than stocked parts for a somewhat unique truck.

There are some really knowledgable folks on this board. The least knowledgable here probably has more experience than the majority of folks on some of the other boards full of folk spouting knowledge gained from 10 year-old magazine articles versus some here who have spent many hours beneath these trucks.

The mods have been conspicuosly silent due to no false truths having been spoken.

Welcome to the real world, this is just a small slice.

Peace,
PT

hey paul, can you find me a cheap low milage d90?


i like red.

m016324
03-31-2006, 12:26 AM
GO THE FUCK AWAY WE DON'T WANT YOU IN OUR CLUB

-ben

cptyarderho
03-31-2006, 06:16 AM
One again, they fail to read the obvious. In any forum, read the check in stuff, get a feel for the place. You chose option "B".

stumble in, post up in a vague manner. (check)
Ignore the rules about the subject of postings. (check)
Get insanely butt-hurt over responses that do not cater to you. (check)
Call the members dicks, guaranteeing you an improved response. (check)
Storm off to another forum, not to return until you have read a bit (pending)

when you find a truck, check with ExpeditionExchange, they can help you blow some sick cash on your freshly pimped ride.

Word.

lwg
03-31-2006, 09:55 AM
One again, they fail to read the obvious. In any forum, read the check in stuff, get a feel for the place. You chose option "B".

stumble in, post up in a vague manner. (check)
Ignore the rules about the subject of postings. (check)
Get insanely butt-hurt over responses that do not cater to you. (check)
Call the members dicks, guaranteeing you an improved response. (check)
Storm off to another forum, not to return until you have read a bit (pending)

when you find a truck, check with ExpeditionExchange, they can help you blow some sick cash on your freshly pimped ride.

Word.

ohhhhh, Snap!!!

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2006-03-31/1143823950_vw_snap.jpg

pendy
04-01-2006, 09:40 AM
Thin skin only works in poseur tucks. Go ahead and buy a D90. Keep it pristine for us to buy when you get bored with it and buy a hummer or sell it because you got married with a kid on the way. But don't expect any love from us. Much less any respect after you squeal with a little ribbing.

JP

Junkyddog11
04-01-2006, 04:25 PM
Larry, I think that makes you the "uber dick" :D

SCSL
04-01-2006, 05:44 PM
stumble in, post up in a vague manner. (check)
Ignore the rules about the subject of postings. (check)
Get insanely butt-hurt over responses that do not cater to you. (check)
Call the members dicks, guaranteeing you an improved response. (check)
Storm off to another forum, not to return until you have read a bit (pending)

lol,,,thanks for that.

lwg
04-01-2006, 08:22 PM
Larry, I think that makes you the "uber dick" :D

I try.

Where's my new stickers?

reraub
04-01-2006, 08:58 PM
What the flip is wrong with this guy.....He needs to take some more pamprin A few of you guys have butt-raped me over legit questions, I dont cry about it...me me me I have asked things and been given riddles on the problem NEVER ANSWERED, im not like oh you didnt read my question right, i hate you guys your all homosexuals and your mean:( cmon fool wake up Big deal what you posted you didnt even give these guys a real chance to help you before you started buy a toyota and bother those guys. Better not drop the soap in there either there no different.:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: X5

DChapman
04-02-2006, 12:09 AM
Suareezay,
Look around the froum. Do you really think anyone here gives a she-at about a truck with under 20k miles and a price tag of 40k+? The first thing most of us do here is pull the motor, add a cam, double roller, re-man the heads, cut the fenders, bob the rear, strip the inside, weld in a cage, and beat the fawk out of in on the trails.

Unless your buying this truck to add a LT1, TH400, NP205 with doubler, 2000rpm stall, D-60's, lock it F/R, and shoe it with some 37" Krawlers....you may want to visit D-90.com.

Either that, or tell us you have the know-how, and a place, to make a underdrive to fit the LT-230 for under a grand.

Have a nice day, bitch.:flipoff2:

Junkyddog11
04-02-2006, 04:49 AM
I try.

Where's my new stickers?
New stickers?

cptyarderho
04-02-2006, 04:20 PM
lol,,,thanks for that.
What I lack in tech I make up for in blather.
:p :p :p

revor
04-02-2006, 06:58 PM
"uber dick"

Snicker, Snicker..

That's Funny....