Did any 70's model Fseries come with D44's? i seen a F100 in a junkyard with a non 9" and Non D60.... its sitting on the ground so i can't get too good of a look at it... but I belive its a reverse rotation D44? Am i right?

I have seen quite afew f100's, and they all came with d44/9" Early models had standard rotation d44

i was referring to the Rear axle not the front axle..... did Ford use a Rear D44 in the mid 70's?

you know if you would would try the search button you would find the answers to most of these stupid ?'s

paddin your count isnt goin to help you out of you newbie status
:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37686&highlight=rear+D44

"Rear axles;

F-100/F-150:
'59(?)-'79 Ford 9" semi float with 5-5 1/2 bolt pattern.
'80-'86 Ford 9" different bearing design for the axle.
'59(?)-'68 D-44 with Power-loc as an option.
'77-'79 D-44 w/wo trac-loc in F-100 4x2 only "

that is the info found if you follow the above link...

Is that 77-79 D44 Reverse Rotation or Stadanrd?

Originally posted by dangerranger33
"Rear axles;

F-100/F-150:
'59(?)-'79 Ford 9" semi float with 5-5 1/2 bolt pattern.
'80-'86 Ford 9" different bearing design for the axle.
'59(?)-'68 D-44 with Power-loc as an option.
'77-'79 D-44 w/wo trac-loc in F-100 4x2 only "

that is the info found if you follow the above link...

Is that 77-79 D44 Reverse Rotation or Stadanrd?

OMG and your building a truck ? standard rotation :smokin:

OMG yea i'm building a truck...... do you get your kicks outta pickin on peoples questions? If it don't specify then its a VALID question.... all you seem to do is pick is that how you have your 180 post is through harassment? Ohh and lemme guess you started out as this almight 4x4 expert..... Yes I know what the serch button is and yes i investigate that first.... but hummm wow..... it is never fully specified and cleared up.....So if somebody ELSE wants to pick on me fine... but it (forsome reason) always seems to be you did something I say crawl up ur ass and die? take a smoke break:smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:

Originally posted by dangerranger33
OMG yea i'm building a truck...... do you get your kicks outta pickin on peoples questions? If it don't specify then its a VALID question.... all you seem to do is pick is that how you have your 180 post is through harassment? Ohh and lemme guess you started out as this almight 4x4 expert..... Yes I know what the serch button is and yes i investigate that first.... but hummm wow..... it is never fully specified and cleared up.....So if somebody ELSE wants to pick on me fine... but it (forsome reason) always seems to be you did something I say crawl up ur ass and die? take a smoke break:smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:



Dont mind him, hes RRORC.... welcome newbie :flipoff2:

Originally posted by dangerranger33
"Rear axles;

F-100/F-150:
'59(?)-'79 Ford 9" semi float with 5-5 1/2 bolt pattern.
'80-'86 Ford 9" different bearing design for the axle.
'59(?)-'68 D-44 with Power-loc as an option.
'77-'79 D-44 w/wo trac-loc in F-100 4x2 only "

that is the info found if you follow the above link...

Is that 77-79 D44 Reverse Rotation or Stadanrd?

I had a 78 4x2 F100 351M/C6 and it did not have a 9" a 60 or a 44. Looked like a 8.8 with 5x5.5 bolt pattern to me. I am Ford stupid but this was the factory rear axle.

No truck EVER had a RR 44 rear, or any RR rear end for that matter. I am thikning the rear is a 9" and the front is a standard cut 44. The RR did not come out until the mid 70's. You can find them all day long in the yards for a few hundred bucks. Just keep your eyes out for them.

Dimitr

Originally posted by alx


OMG and your building a truck ? standard rotation :smokin:


:rainbow:


CUT THE CRAP!

Originally posted by dangerranger33
OMG yea i'm building a truck...... do you get your kicks outta pickin on peoples questions? If it don't specify then its a VALID question.... all you seem to do is pick is that how you have your 180 post is through harassment? Ohh and lemme guess you started out as this almight 4x4 expert..... Yes I know what the serch button is and yes i investigate that first.... but hummm wow..... it is never fully specified and cleared up.....So if somebody ELSE wants to pick on me fine... but it (forsome reason) always seems to be you did something I say crawl up ur ass and die? take a smoke break:smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:


well yea i love pickin on people ,when they ask a ? that most likley can be answered with a little search :flipoff2:

please dont cry just use some common sense :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Retard




Dont mind him, hes RRORC.... welcome newbie :flipoff2:

jelous BIOTCH :flipoff2:

Originally posted by olivesman



:rainbow:


CUT THE CRAP!

lookin in the mirror are you :rainbow: :rainbow:

This is Pirate4x4.com the land of intense newbie hazing. Dish it back if you can, take it or go somewhere else.

I personally have never ever seen a rear 44 under any ford. And I wouldn't believe it untill i saw it with my own eyes. Every half ton i have ever looked at before 1980 has a 9". (i lived NEXT door to pick-n-pull) I been there a 'few' times.

Reverse rotation is a front end specific only type axle (in stock form) Any rear axle that is reverse cut, is aftermarket or custom built. Reverse cut gears are weaker in a rear appliction and a 44 (8.5" ring gear) is probably going to be too weak. this is the reason the custom built reverse cut axles are using 60 center sections.

Originally posted by Flatty
The RR did not come out until the mid 70's.
Dimitr

Dimitri shame on you :zzz: you should know better than that... especially being a friend of snowball's. Don't you remember the famous RC 44 thread? RC44's were used in ford's in the 60's, granted they were drum brake, 260-x, king pin P.O.S. they exist :flipoff2:

well i can go take a pic of one that's not a 9" and not a 60" either.....

Originally posted by Danger Ranger


Dimitri shame on you :zzz: you should know better than that... especially being a friend of snowball's. Don't you remember the famous RC 44 thread? RC44's were used in ford's in the 60's, granted they were drum brake, 260-x, king pin P.O.S. they exist :flipoff2: :bounce:Good info Danger Ranger :bounce:

10 points for naming the year.

I'll save the month and day Dana released the Reverse Spiral Gear set for another thread.

This guy is good. First he steals somebody else's name, then asks questions that have been covered hundreds of times before, he wants and takes pictures of everything, and wants to put 40" boggers on a D44. Welcome newbie! :beer:

Originally posted by alx


OMG and your building a truck ? standard rotation :smokin:

sorry to say it Alx but every 77-79 ford D44 I have seen is RC NOT standard. :smokin:

Originally posted by clc900


sorry to say it Alx but every 77-79 ford D44 I have seen is RC NOT standard. :smokin:

ummmmmmmmm were talkin about a rear 44 not front :zzz:

Originally posted by clc900
This guy is good. First he steals somebody else's name, then asks questions that have been covered hundreds of times before, he wants and takes pictures of everything, and wants to put 40" boggers on a D44. Welcome newbie! :beer:

first off how the hell am I suppose to know who's got what name this name went through so I used.... i've used it on lots.... than thanx for the welcome...... yea well i'm gettin by with what I got.... I got good deals on 44/9" so i'm gonna use em.... yea like the old saying goes a picture is worth a 1000 words..... As for wheeling yea i'm a lil young 20 but i've been wrench headin for 5 years now... no... I ain't as experianced as all of yall but .... that's why i'm a newbie....

Originally posted by Danger Ranger


Dimitri shame on you :zzz: you should know better than that... especially being a friend of snowball's. Don't you remember the famous RC 44 thread? RC44's were used in ford's in the 60's, granted they were drum brake, 260-x, king pin P.O.S. they exist :flipoff2:

Dammit, I was hoping no one caught that. Oh well, what can I say but SHIT!!!! Yea they were out in the 60's, but whop would wnat one of those for anything other than a boat anchor? I got my 78 F150 front for a great deal, and you can find them all day loing in the yards. I just wanna wheel dammit.

Newbie, do not pay these people any mind. GEt your shit and put it in. Everynoe starts at some point, and I know even I had a lot of dumb questions before I started building cars likie I do now. Speakign of which, why am I talking about building, and not in the garage doing ti. LAter all

Dimitri

Originally posted by dangerranger33
well i can go take a pic of one that's not a 9" and not a 60" either.....

I did forget to mention ford used a semi-float dana 60 here and there. Why do you say it's not a 60? because it's not 8 lug? because it doesn't have the full floater hubs? Take a pic, lay your redneck ass in the dirt and start looking for some casting numbers.

Originally posted by Mr.N
:bounce:Good info Danger Ranger :bounce:

10 points for naming the year.

I'll save the month and day Dana released the Reverse Spiral Gear set for another thread.

Kiss my ass, I brought it up because it was a HUGE arguement around here like 2 years ago and it was funny. No one would believe there was a rc44 before 1977 until snowball showed a picture of I believe a 65 f100 with a rc d44,drums,260-x and king pins.

Jesus why do i even care? i sold my 44/9 and i'm going back to stock ranger running gear with 44's and a 460 :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Danger Ranger

Jesus why do i even care? i sold my 44/9 and i'm going back to stock ranger running gear with 44's and a 460 :flipoff2:

I've still got a few Dana 28 pieces laying around. I'll make you a killer deal on the stuff :nuke:

Originally posted by Nobody


I've still got a few Dana 28 pieces laying around. I'll make you a killer deal on the stuff :nuke:


Oh yeah? you still got some radius arms? I hear you know how to make wristed arms too? Do you think my 44's will the stock arms? How about making me some bent wristed arms? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Danger Ranger



Oh yeah? you still got some radius arms? I hear you know how to make wristed arms too? Do you think my 44's will the stock arms? How about making me some bent wristed arms? :flipoff2:

Yeah, I've still got the radius arms....I'm pretty sure they're already bent too! With 44's, they will definately hit the body before the radius arm....that's ok though, cuz you can make a 8" body lift super cheap. A friend of mine just used some old exhaust pipe, and it worked out killer!

I could build a TTB wristed arm, but I'd have to work out something to retain the coils :nuke:

Originally posted by Danger Ranger


I did forget to mention ford used a semi-float dana 60 here and there. Why do you say it's not a 60? because it's not 8 lug? because it doesn't have the full floater hubs? Take a pic, lay your redneck ass in the dirt and start looking for some casting numbers.


Fine I'll go to the junk yard and get my Redneck ass in the dirt and get the casting # and its got 5 lug and its ina 2wd F100.

Originally posted by Nobody


With 44's, they will definately hit the body before the radius arm....that's ok though, cuz you can make a 8" body lift super cheap. A friend of mine just used some old exhaust pipe, and it worked out killer!



hell we can cut the body... I was thinking Coke cans instead of exhaust pipe.... wouldn't that work good then JB weld them to togather and then to the body..... I was gonna stack 3 on top of each other... Just a thought

Originally posted by dangerranger33


hell we can cut the body... I was thinking Coke cans instead of exhaust pipe.... wouldn't that work good then JB weld them to togather and then to the body..... I was gonna stack 3 on top of each other... Just a thought

coke cans would probably work for the average street pounder, but DR is into the hardcore mall stuff. He definately needs exhaust pipe.

You've obviously never seen DR's truck, I cutting the body isn't an option. :nuke:

Originally posted by Nobody


I cutting the body isn't an option. :nuke:


ahhhh I see ..... I think 8" of body ain't enought..... we deffinanlty need 12" of body lift.....

Originally posted by Nobody


coke cans would probably work for the average street pounder, but DR is into the hardcore mall stuff. He definately needs exhaust pipe.

You've obviously never seen DR's truck, I cutting the body isn't an option. :nuke:

Yeah, it's too nice and shiney to cut, besides i just paid it off :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Danger Ranger


Yeah, it's too nice and shiney to cut, besides i just paid it off :flipoff2:

You know I just waxed my Explorer with some really good stuff. Its regular armor all but it gets all those shopping cart scratches out really good! I had to wash it before hand to put it on though.

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Danger Ranger
Kiss my ass, I brought it up because it was a HUGE arguement around here like 2 years ago and it was funny. No one would believe there was a rc44 before 1977 until snowball showed a picture of I believe a 65 f100 with a rc d44,drums,260-x and king pins.

Easy there. If it was so huge why can't I find it on the search?

Snowball may have taken a picture of a 65 F100 with a RS Dana 44, but that doesn't mean it left the factory that way. Lots of people swap complete axles for a better set of gears.

Was the pic of axle by coil or leafs? Heavy half ton?

Also Dana didn't even make the gears in 65! So your info is incorrect.

Originally posted by dangerranger33
"Rear axles;

F-100/F-150:
'59(?)-'79 Ford 9" semi float with 5-5 1/2 bolt pattern.
'80-'86 Ford 9" different bearing design for the axle.
'59(?)-'68 D-44 with Power-loc as an option.
'77-'79 D-44 w/wo trac-loc in F-100 4x2 only "

that is the info found if you follow the above link...

Is that 77-79 D44 Reverse Rotation or Stadanrd?

JFC this post degenerated fast:eek: :rolleyes:

Dangerranger33: I posted the above info and I stand by it. You said you spoted an F100, well it is going to be a D44 if it isn't a 9", no ifs, ands, or buts. standered rotation for a factory rear application. The 8.8" didn't come out untill the early '80's.


Eric

Originally posted by Alpo23
F-100/F-150:
'59(?)-'79 Ford 9" semi float with 5-5 1/2 bolt pattern.
'80-'86 Ford 9" different bearing design for the axle.
'59(?)-'68 D-44 with Power-loc as an option.
'77-'79 D-44 w/wo trac-loc in F-100 4x2 only "My book says the 9" was started in 57 under the F100's
Also I've never seen a 9" with a build date later than 79, even the ones that came in 80+ trucks. They sure had a lot extra.

Originally posted by Alpo23
I posted the above info and I stand by it. You said you spoted an F100, well it is going to be a D44 if it isn't a 9", no ifs, ands, or buts. standered rotation for a factory rear application. The 8.8" didn't come out untill the early '80's. I've seen a full size 78 station wagon with a 8.8 in the rear. I figured a swap was done, still looking for others.

Originally posted by Mr.N
My book says the 9" was started in 57 under the F100's
Also I've never seen a 9" with a build date later than 79, even the ones that came in 80+ trucks. They sure had a lot extra.

I've seen a full size 78 station wagon with a 8.8 in the rear. I figured a swap was done, still looking for others.

'57 huh? ok, I do know '57 was when the 9" debuted in the Galaxies but I wasn't going to swear by that as the start date for the F-100, hence the (?) for the '59 year as the start.

As for the 78 station wagon...what are you doing looking at station wagons?!?!:flipoff2: you're supposed to be looking at 4x4 trucks:D :D :D

btw, Mr N. you're dying to tell us the start date for the HP gears from Dana, aren't you ;)


Eric

Originally posted by Alpo23

As for the 78 station wagon...what are you doing looking at station wagons?!?!:flipoff2: you're supposed to be looking at 4x4 trucks:D :D :D Eric

I'm pretty sure the 8.8 started in the late 70's. I think the 77 granade I got my 302 from had an 8.8.

Originally posted by Alpo23
'57 huh? ok, I do know '57 was when the 9" debuted in the Galaxies but I wasn't going to swear by that as the start date for the F-100, hence the (?) for the '59 year as the start.
Then again Books have been know to be incorrect, so take that with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by Alpo23
As for the 78 station wagon...what are you doing looking at station wagons?!?!:flipoff2: you're supposed to be looking at 4x4 trucks:D :D :DHa! :jester: You made me laugh out loud with that one.:jester: Hey, I'll get parts where ever I can find them ;)

Originally posted by Alpo23
btw, Mr N. you're dying to tell us the start date for the HP gears from Dana, aren't you ;)

Eric I'm just waiting for someone eles to post something even close, so I can confirm. Heck I went through 9 different people before I got my answer from Dana.

Originally posted by Mr.N


I'm just waiting for someone eles to post something even close, so I can confirm. Heck I went through 9 different people before I got my answer from Dana.

Ok, fine. I'll take a stab and say............June 1966 :flipoff2:

This was to allow Ford to a get the axles into the assembly line for the 'All New' 1967 Model Year.

I have my sources too :smokin:


Eric

Originally posted by Alpo23
Ok, fine. I'll take a stab and say............June 1966 :flipoff2:

This was to allow Ford to a get the axles into the assembly line for the 'All New' 1967 Model Year.

I have my sources too :smokin:

Eric

Wow, closest guess I've seen yet :D

Think front axle. Ford had a leaf spring design front axle from 59-65, then made a change to coils in 66. This axle (F100 only at this time) ran untill 71, then 71 they changed the king pins and ran it 71-72 (Another source says it's the same king pin from 66-72, but I trust Dana more than that source). In 73 they went balljoints (Yes, the EB went ball joints before the F100). The Data I'm using is from Dana site (see link in previous post) and from calling Dana myself.

Originally posted by Mr.N
Also Dana didn't even make the gears in 65! So your info is incorrect.

Rather than edit my post; I post the above info incorrectly, my bad.

Danger Ranger can you find the thread you were talking about with the 65 RC44? I can't. As far as I know no 65 had a RC44

So has anyone ever seen a Closed Knuckle King Pin RC44? Got pics?

Originally posted by Mr.N


Wow, closest guess I've seen yet :D

Think front axle. Ford had a leaf spring design front axle from 59-65, then made a change to coils in 66. This axle (F100 only at this time) ran untill 71, then 71 they changed the king pins and ran it 71-72 (Another source says it's the same king pin from 66-72, but I trust Dana more than that source). In 73 they went balljoints (Yes, the EB went ball joints before the F100). The Data I'm using is from Dana site (see link in previous post) and from calling Dana myself.


Quess my ass!;) :D I used Dana liturature to trace the Hp gears back to at least '67, Don't have info for '66.
1966 was a basterd year for Ford trucks AND I haven't laid eyes on a 1966 F-100 4x4 in a very long time. My '66 Factory Ford Shop Manual is not clear(i.e. doesn't say) if they are HP.

So my next 'quess' is July 15th 1965 at 2:12 PM right after the afternoon coffee break :flipoff2:


Eric

Originally posted by Mr.N


Rather than edit my post; I post the above info incorrectly, my bad.

Danger Ranger can you find the thread you were talking about with the 65 RC44? I can't. As far as I know no 65 had a RC44

So has anyone ever seen a Closed Knuckle King Pin RC44? Got pics?

I did not 'say' it was a 65 f100. I said I I believe which really means i don't exactly know for sure ;) I can be wrong too. I can't say that i've ever paid attention to what all the body style changes are for 60's ford trucks, nor do i really care cause they're fawkin ugly. I do know i have a friend with a 60 something f100 that had a rc d44 and a semi float d60. I have personally seen 2 other 60's f100's with a rc d44. Also what we're talking about is not closed knuckle. It looks just like an early bronco dana 30 with a hp center section.

The reason you cannot find this thread is because the board was hacked into and ruined like over a year ago and tons and tons of threads are gone forever.

I pm'd snowball to see if he'd post the pics of the 60's f100 with the rc d44. but his pm's are full, hopefully he'll get it.

*********OH NO! bad information alert *************

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46952

claims he has a 1966 hp d44. better go tell him he's wrong :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Danger Ranger
*********OH NO! bad information alert *************

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46952

claims he has a 1966 hp d44. better go tell him he's wrong :flipoff2:

sure he means 1966 and not 66 inches wide?

Matt

Originally posted by RockRanger


sure he means 1966 and not 66 inches wide?

Matt

OH No! two screw ups in one thread? :rolleyes: I didn't notice the ' " ' on the '66' LOL oh well. i was wonderin what the fuck you were gonna do with a old school d44 anyways. :flipoff2:

Im still trying to figure out what I am going to do with the 44 as it is. Maybe under the ranger or build something else guess it depends on what other parts i can get for cheap.

Matt

Originally posted by Danger Ranger

.

The reason you cannot find this thread is because the board was hacked into and ruined like over a year ago and tons and tons of threads are gone forever.




Has their been any upgrades to prevent this from happening again?

Originally posted by Alpo23
Quess my ass!;) :D I used Dana liturature to trace the Hp gears back to at least '67, Don't have info for '66.
1966 was a basterd year for Ford trucks AND I haven't laid eyes on a 1966 F-100 4x4 in a very long time. My '66 Factory Ford Shop Manual is not clear(i.e. doesn't say) if they are HP.

So my next 'quess' is July 15th 1965 at 2:12 PM right after the afternoon coffee break :flipoff2:

Eric
Have a title for your source?

You've one up one me, I've never seen a RS44 1966 with my own eyes. Still asking people to take pics though :)

Originally posted by Danger Ranger
Also what we're talking about is not closed knuckle. It looks just like an early bronco dana 30 with a hp center section.

I pm'd snowball to see if he'd post the pics of the 60's f100 with the rc d44. but his pm's are full, hopefully he'll get it. Correct, I've never ran across any info or seen a closed king pin dana, although I've seen people post that they have.

Snowball, if you have a 66 RS44 please take a picture of the complete axle and the Dana Date code. It'll be on the front center of the tube. Thanks.

Originally posted by Danger Ranger
*********OH NO! bad information alert *************

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46952

claims he has a 1966 hp d44. better go tell him he's wrong :flipoff2: 66 ? :eek: You posted a 65:eek: Now that’s better, I’ll believe a 66.


So I think we’ve enough info here to re-do the Bible section for the Ford Reverse Spiral Dana 44.

Originally posted by Mr.N

Have a title for your source?



X510-8 DSD March, 1990

Spicer Front & Rear Axle Kit catalog 1967-1978.

Very good way of comparing part numbers and dimensions of all of the major truck makers that used spicer/dana.
It covers dodge,ford,gm,ihc,amc/jeep.


Eric

Originally posted by Alpo23
X510-8 DSD March, 1990

Spicer Front & Rear Axle Kit catalog 1967-1978.

Very good way of comparing part numbers and dimensions of all of the major truck makers that used spicer/dana.
It covers dodge,ford,gm,ihc,amc/jeep.

Eric SO where do a guy get a copy of that book? Sounds like some gret info!

All I've is .pdf files from Dana web site and a couple more for calling Dana and tracking down the Model 216.

Originally posted by Mr.N
SO where do a guy get a copy of that book? Sounds like some gret info!

All I've is .pdf files from Dana web site and a couple more for calling Dana and tracking down the Model 216.


E-Bay!!!!! when all is said and done expect to bid up to $65 for one.:eek:

Best buy I ever made.


Eric