can it be done? has it been done? use dual samurai cases together on a samurai? if anyone has done it, let me know what to look for, cause i think im going to try it

Quite a few people in our club have done it. They have used two Sami cases together. Works fantastic but the only restriction/problem I can think of is that they have only done it with LWB Samis so far. We are having a meeting tonight so I'll try and get some more info

do a search.. I know this was covered before..... I know it works but have never seen it. I've also heard of lj t-cases working good for this for reasons unknow to myself

ive looked at it and i think it wont be too hard. just wanta hear from someone who has done it first, or at least seen it

Lets see it grimbo!

problem is the 1.41 plus 1.41 high gear, highway speeds suck

Originally posted by dychen
problem is the 1.41 plus 1.41 high gear, highway speeds suck

ok the memory just kicked in. Use a Sidekick transfer case for the front as it is direct ie 1:1 You cut the front output off so the front case doesn't actually have a 2wd option. This means you have 1:1 (sidekick) x 1.41 (samurai) = 1.4 no affect on the highway

hello...
After DOING A SEARCH on this topic last night... and some posting on other boards...I came up with this...

dual stock sammi:
27.0434.... in first hi/hi
43.504 in hi/low
97.838 in low/low

1st gear stock is 19.19 compared to 27.04 =40% improvement ingearing Might be ok for MIN. of 33's hey I think about the same RPMS in 5th as 4 on highway..Just a guess....

low... 30.894 stock.. Vs. 97.838 in low/low equals almost 200% improvement....

So for street driving with 33 = a 20% over stock....
35 = 10% ....

See I am a good newbie..I do my research before posting... and dont just see something on another board and posting it here..

Yes this works... Set up properly it works killer kewel. I have personally seen 3 different swb set up this way.

I will be doing this with my current project, as i already have the spare t-cases. If no one else has done it before i finish, i will post anything i have learned.
problem is the 1.41 plus 1.41 high gear, highway speeds suck
Yes and no! Yes if you only want to run -32" tires.

But, Lets investigate this a little further... super_suzi, you might want to re-check some of your calculations.

Highway rpm at 65mph with: 3.73gears, 2 stock t-cases in high,

33" tires-

4th gear ~ 4900rpm
5th (.865) ~ 4250rpm
5th (.795) ~ 3900rpm

36"tires-

4th ~ 4500
5th .865 ~ 3890
5th .795 ~ 3580

Delving even further...
RPM @ 65mph with: 3.73gears, stock high & grs2 high;

36"-
4th ~ 5295
5th .865 ~ 4580
5th .795 ~ 4210

38"
4th ~ 5020
5th .865 ~ 4340
5th .795 ~ 3990

last tidbit...

Low Crawl ratios
3.652(1st) x 2.27 x 2.27 x 3.73 ~ 70.2 : 1
3.652 x 2.27 x 4.89(grs2) x 3.73 ~ 151.2 : 1

i think d_parker has it, hes the moderator onoff-road.com's bbs......... go there, i know he postedlotsofpicsup on the board, i think he has yj springs, 35" swapmers, and toy axles if i remember right....... he's on thisboardjustnot oftenm, go onoff-road's and PM him.......
l8r:
-Mike.....ps, his is a Short wheel base zuki.....

did i hear my name mentioned?? LOL!!

theres some small pic on my site thats under construction here.

dual t-cases (http://home.off-road.com/~dparker/tcases.htm)


Or you can see full size pic of it in the photo section of my groups site on yahoo.yahoo site (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/suzukisamuraisofthesouth/)


I have a 107 low ratio with the gears im running . have some more photos i need to update on thier may today or tommorow so check back

I have heard many people have done it but I have never seen anyone give a review after a couple months of usage. The biggest issue I see is having to clock the first t-case to the point where oil would want to leak out of the shifter hole, how's that work long term? Also the mounting methods I have seen look pretty :eek:. I'd think you'd want a little float in the system or else your going to be ripping stuff from the frame. What scares me about this whole thing is if it worked so well you'd think you'd see lots of people at Moab or some of the other Suzuki gatherings using it. You would also expect to see a mounting kit sold by a vendor.

My setup uses 6 rubber mounts so it has give . yes the upper bearing is going to starve for oil but mines not built to to 80 miles going down the highway its bult to stay in angle wher it going to get oil LOL!! plus i have already stocked up on those bearings.

Thew reason i think you dont see alot of people doing it is beacuse its a MAJOR PITA!!! to install at least it was for me you have to cute out your crossemember macke a new 1 shifter setup and tying them togther to hold .
but then again im a lazy a$$ to LOL!!

But i will say this if i had to do it again i would have hunted up a lj cases for the front.

I have seen a dual-Samurai t-case setup on two different rigs. Both of them poured oil out the front t-case shifter lever housing when the front left of the vehicle was raised. This was because you have to rotate the front case practically 90 degrees to make it fit.

Both the trucks seemed to function fine on the trail, tho.

dp-How far below the frame rails does that setup hang...hard to tell from the pics but ground clearance looks comprimised.

Originally posted by dparker
My setup uses 6 rubber mounts so it has give . yes the upper bearing is going to starve for oil but mines not built to to 80 miles going down the highway its bult to stay in angle wher it going to get oil LOL!! plus i have already stocked up on those bearings.

Thew reason i think you dont see alot of people doing it is beacuse its a MAJOR PITA!!! to install at least it was for me you have to cute out your crossemember macke a new 1 shifter setup and tying them togther to hold .
but then again im a lazy a$$ to LOL!!

But i will say this if i had to do it again i would have hunted up a lj cases for the front.

I didn't notice the rubber mounts in your pics, where those just to get the case in position? It looked like you just welded plates to all the mounting holes possible? Anyone got pics of an LJ case?

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
Anyone got pics of an LJ case?

I have one on the shelf in the barn. I can take pictures and post tonight when I get home if no one beats me to it.

I'm really not keen on these dual case setups where the second case is a Sam case. I don't think they are up to the torque levels (long term). A divorced Toy case downstream might be better and less kludgey in my opinion.

Same with the LJ case. It is a tiny little thing. Very well made, but tiny. Also, when you frag the box where are you going to find parts? These things are rare. Rare enough that I'll probably go SJ t-case in my LJ.

r@m

thanks for all the info. i think im going to try it, but im going to use a differant front case. i cant have the oil leaking when its rolled on its side now can i:rolleyes:

Originally posted by rockzooki
thanks for all the info. i think im going to try it, but im going to use a differant front case. i cant have the oil leaking when its rolled on its side now can i:rolleyes:

Do the Volvo tranny style mod. Probably the one that makes the most sense out of the lot.

r@m

havent heard of this mod, info?

Why would you want to go through all of this trouble...when you can just get a 6:1 case? It is only about 1.7:1 in high, and with 5.38 you are at about 120 something to one.....And you can still drive down the highway!

Originally posted by RudeZuk
Why would you want to go through all of this trouble...when you can just get a 6:1 case? It is only about 1.7:1 in high, and with 5.38 you are at about 120 something to one.....And you can still drive down the highway!



$$$$ :flipoff2:

Originally posted by rockzooki
havent heard of this mod, info?

Search button? :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

(feeling very un-Zen today) :D

r@m

Why would you want to go through all of this trouble...when you can just get a 6:1 case? It is only about 1.7:1 in high, and with 5.38 you are at about 120 something to one.....And you can still drive down the highway!

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two reasons, $$$4 and better gear choices! and who cares about doing 70 mph, i wanna do .00000000070 mph!!!!

Originally posted by dparker
did i hear my name mentioned?? LOL!!

theres some small pic on my site thats under construction here.

dual t-cases (http://home.off-road.com/~dparker/tcases.htm)


Or you can see full size pic of it in the photo section of my groups site on yahoo.yahoo site (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/suzukisamuraisofthesouth/)


I have a 107 low ratio with the gears im running . have some more photos i need to update on thier may today or tommorow so check back



Re: your website
i'm intrigued.... Latin:confused: mixed with rather bizarre " l " with little circumflexes (little squiggly things you put over certain letters in other languages to indicate a different enunciation) instead of an apostrophe ( ' ) when referencing some of your text :confused:
are you originally like, Spanish or Portuguese or something?
(no offence meant, or anything! cool site, but just a bit brutal to try to read and understand for a dummy like me:D )

ps- i would have loved to look at the pictures in greater detail! but when trying to enlarge, they just send you back to the top of the page, and the pic's stay small....:(
:beer:

Originally posted by RudeZuk
And you can still drive down the highway!

what is this high-way you speak of? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by RudeZuk
Why would you want to go through all of this trouble...when you can just get a 6:1 case? It is only about 1.7:1 in high, and with 5.38 you are at about 120 something to one.....And you can still drive down the highway!

if you have a 1.6 engine put the automatic in and you save your self alot of work plus you can go with eather 4.56 of 4.88 gears and 6.1 case and still do everything that the guys do with dual cases, plus you can cruise down the highway.

I was going to do the dual case thing and decided to try an automatic since i havnt seen much on this conversion. I'm glad i went with the automatic it is so easy on the whole drive train. i will scrap the five speed in my other zuk and put an auto in it also.

i will be wheeling with Azrockcrawler next week end with my automatic zuk.

37 swampers
1.6/16v
4:1
4.56's
automatic 3spd

Originally posted by zukstur

i will be wheeling with Azrockcrawler next week end with my automatic zuk.


Looking forward to the debrief.

:D

r@m

Originally posted by Root Moose


Looking forward to the debrief.

:D

r@m

This'll be an interesting comparison auto w/ 4:1 & 4.56's vs 5 spd w/ 6:1 & 5.29's. I am almost ready to go, even got a spare tire mounted yesterday :D

Great chris, let us know what you think!

If i do a second case it will either be the Klune (when done)
Or the Kick case behind my sumo case....OTT

doesn't the kick case go in front of your sumo case? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


This'll be an interesting comparison auto w/ 4:1 & 4.56's vs 5 spd w/ 6:1 & 5.29's. I am almost ready to go, even got a spare tire mounted yesterday :D



We also can compare 5 spd w/ 2.268:1 + 4:1 + 5.29:1 :grinpimp:

rude, how is your current gear setup treating you? are you low enough most of the time? all of the time?

LOL hell no im not from spain NC born arkasnas raised LOL!! thats thast just jebesih beacuse site under consrtuction think it says site undr construction in alot of langugegs LOL!!


Yes t-cases hanges below the frame close to 4 inches . But there is a good thing to that want be trashing and ujounts beacuse of the high angles.Got a hell of a skid plate made to cover it all up.

Originally posted by poppycock
rude, how is your current gear setup treating you? are you low enough most of the time? all of the time?

I can go down the freeway about 65-70 with the 37's....and stay in 5th gear all the way up to icehouse road....
Wheelin in Low im usually crusing around in 2nd and 3rd gear, and so far i havent found a rock or tree big enough to go lower than 1st gear.... I usually run about 4-5 psi in the tires too.
I can pull a front tire up to a tree, let the clutch out and climb until my rear bumper is in the ground!

Im thinking the second case mainly for compititions, and crazy stuff...

Originally posted by poppycock
doesn't the kick case go in front of your sumo case? :flipoff2:

Yeah it does!

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER




We also can compare 5 spd w/ 2.268:1 + 4:1 + 5.29:1 :grinpimp:

It sounds like well have a little bit of every thing their. I'm looking forward to seeing how they all compair.

Originally posted by poppycock
rude, how is your current gear setup treating you? are you low enough most of the time? all of the time?

Here ya go....C:\Photos\100MSDCF\DSC00013a.JPG

Originally posted by dparker
LOL hell no im not from spain NC born arkasnas raised LOL!! thats thast just jebesih beacuse site under consrtuction think it says site undr construction in alot of langugegs LOL!!



ahhhhh!:emb: "Chief-ish". gotcha!
thanks.:beer: :D

ok guys I have no clue on how to add all this shi* up but I was wondering if you could help me.
I have a 1.6td that I am putting in my sammie and I am thinking of going dual t cases but I want to do it cheap and have a 100 to 1 crawl ratio or as hight as I can get it. I have a stock sammie t caes and a extra case around some where is there any way I can use these t cases with 4:11 gears what would it turn out to be.
Other option is look into a dual yoda set up but doesn't it cost alot to do a dual yoda setup.
can't make up my mind please help
Chubby

Originally posted by Chubby1
can't make up my mind please help
Chubby


Chubbs,

The tough part will be bolting a tranny to your VW diesel.
In a 'perfect world' I would have to check into that Toyota tranny with dual t-cases. It costs some, yeah, but for what you'd get it would be worth the money.:D

Yes t-cases hanges below the frame close to 4 inches .

Yikes...thats the same as the difference between running 31s and 38s:eek: :eek: :eek: ....better put some big a$$ tires on that rig. If your planning on big rocks, thats too much ground clearance to give up, not worth the "bargain" price IMHO.

Can't wait to hear the results from the Moab gearing festival...keep us posted!

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER

The tough part will be bolting a tranny to your VW diesel.
In a 'perfect world' I would have to check into that Toyota tranny with dual t-cases. It costs some, yeah, but for what you'd get it would be worth the money.:D

I wish Petroworks would hurry up and release their VW adapter. It's suppose to do both Sam and TracKick bolt patterns. Use the Ringr and then toys go to VWs just like that. Expensive route but still...

r@m

The adapter plate is no problem I am making it myself won't cost alot but what you are saying is I should get a toy tranny hook it up to the dual toy t cases and that would work better than if I went with a sammie tranny and a dual setup of some sort.
Chubby

Originally posted by Chubby1
The adapter plate is no problem I am making it myself won't cost alot but what you are saying is I should get a toy tranny hook it up to the dual toy t cases and that would work better than if I went with a sammie tranny and a dual setup of some sort.
Chubby

The two Samurai transfer cases Each have a reduction of 1.41:1 in two wheel drive, resulting in almost 2:1 on top of your axle gears. This will result in a Lot of rpm's unless you are running some Gargantuan tires.

For example:
I run a stock Samurai t-case and 5.29 gears w/ my diesel and 36" TSL/SX's. It does well on the highway with this gear combo - around 3300 rpm @ 60 mph.

With Toyota 5-speed and dual cases, you could run one of the cases in low and you would be around 4000 rpm @ 60. Not sure about the length, tho.

scwafish

Yes i agree i lost alot of clearnce but i run 35's and we dont have the the big a$$ rocks around here i wish just gravel pits with small ones and step inclines .

90% of thr time my rig will see trails with out rocks unfornatly unless i go out of state to trail rides which i will .