Me and IHOJeff installed IHonlyNorth's (http://www.ihonlynorth.com) reverse shackle kit. This kit is awesome. We increased the wheel base by about three inches and were able to keep the same pinion angle.
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wheres the tech?:flipoff2: jk, looks good, yeah you can deffently tell that front axle's up a bit... looks good, but im think i might be headin to coils...

RS is gay...

Shackle forward is where it is at dude...

RS is gay...

Shackle forward is where it is at dude...

NUH UH UR GAY:flipoff2:

man ur both gay:flipoff2: :flipoff2: coils is where its at

coils is where its at
awe yeah

Oh God...Not another FS vs RS debate...:flipoff2: :cool2: :D

yes scout 254 another debate... but only if you want one:flipoff2: :flipoff2: think of it this way, opinons are like assholes, everybody has one...:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

yes scout 254 another debate... but only if you want one:flipoff2: :flipoff2: think of it this way, opinons are like assholes, everybody has one...:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:
and they ALL stink :flipoff2:

Amen

Dont cluder this thread with your newb homo shit. :shaking:


This is a proto type kit that will be on the market soon. Alot simpler to install then coils.

why the fuck does every body call me a newb?? is there some type of fuckin set number of posts you have to have?? shit!!

well a lot simpler doesnt always mean better... some things work for people, while other things work for other people. coils are a much better ride and flex

That rs looks familiar. Man it is totally gay:flipoff2:

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6dc04b3127cce9739e8e79a5f00000016108AaOW7Rozbti

In-case sarcasm is lost on the PBB V20.06...RS is where it is at.

I have seen my last bent leaf when I got rid of HOS GenI and it's front shackle set-up.

I think it looks fairly straight forward. Will the kit include "templates" for the locating of the the frame thru-holes? I have noticed that is what most peoples hang ups are from...

I think you guys are looking good.

In-case sarcasm is lost on the PBB V20.06...


yep, sarcasm is lost on PBB people too many time. Exspecialy when it can lead to a :rainbow: fest :D :D

ready to go wheeling HOS????

Jeeeeeeezzzzzzzzz where the hell is Hooper when we really need him:D

Jeeeeeeezzzzzzzzz where the hell is Hooper when we really need him:D
Fixing some bent springs :flipoff2: :D








no seriously, he actually is, broken center pin too! :D

I have seen my last bent leaf when I got rid of HOS GenI and it's front shackle set-up.

I prefer traction+making a repair every now and then.

what makes it a kit over a couple hangers and a couple pieces of tubing?

Just curious..

Will this kit be avaliable in a 1 ton running gear version?
I have Rancho 44044 2 1/2" wide springs up front, and the Chevy D60F is a about an inch wider then the Scout II frame.

yep, sarcasm is lost on PBB people too many time. Exspecialy when it can lead to a :rainbow: fest :D :D

ready to go wheeling HOS????

Almost...

I am thinking that the first run will be the Reiter Trails clean-up on the 7th...

I still have a short list of some things to do...

You going to the clean-up? Hooper?

I'll be there.fixing my failure prone shackle forward leafs no doubt.:rolleyes:

Will this kit be avaliable in a 1 ton running gear version?
I have Rancho 44044 2 1/2" wide springs up front, and the Chevy D60F is a about an inch wider then the Scout II frame.
290, does your Ranchos sit flat under the weight of the front end or do they have an pos/neg arch to them? I need springs that are flat so that is why I am asking.

Where can I see a pic of the RS kit? If it is posted on here I can not see it for some reason. :)

I'll be there.fixing my failure prone shackle forward leafs no doubt.:rolleyes:

If anyone needs some extra S-shaped leaf springs, I have a few from my shackle-forward days..

I had a lot less driveshaft issues then, but a lot more frequently broken springs..

Being a prototype kit I don't have a pic showing all thats included. It will be for Scout 2" wide springs only. If I get enough interest I will have a kit made for wider 2 1/2" springs. Expect the kit to cost around $300 which is competetive to other kits on the market. Will include the shackles, frame bushing and sleeve, front fangs with added gussets, 3' tube(to connect the two fangs), hardware, and possibly a holesaw and pilot drill bit. What seperates my kits from others is that if you want you can retain your stock front bumper and weld the fangs on just behind it or move the fangs all the way to the front of the frame for more clearance between the tire and back of the wheel well if so desired. Before I offer this kit to the open market I want make sure it was - A.- Easy to install and B.- Take a dam good pounding. Rocktractors Scout was the perfect rig for this as he uses - uhm I mean abuses:D - his rig.
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290, does your Ranchos sit flat under the weight of the front end or do they have an pos/neg arch to them? I need springs that are flat so that is why I am asking.

Where can I see a pic of the RS kit? If it is posted on here I can not see it for some reason. :)

Yes they sit very flat, about an 1-2" arc but mine are used, new ones might gain you an inch more arc which would be good. I don't have the winch on there yet so I might need to rework the pack to keep a little arch. ( I have several piles of springs packs to pick from :shaking: )

The only pics are of Rocktractor's junk.

I went by Jeff's shop on Monday to pick up an oil pan, and saw them installing the kit. I like how Jeff's design has a bar going through the front hangers tying them together for extra strength. :smokin:

Yes they sit very flat, about an 1-2" arc but mine are used, new ones might gain you an inch more arc which would be good. I don't have the winch on there yet so I might need to rework the pack to keep a little arch. ( I have several piles of springs packs to pick from :shaking: )

The only pics are of Rocktractor's junk.

I went by Jeff's shop on Monday to pick up an oil pan, and saw them installing the kit. I like how Jeff's design has a bar going through the front hangers tying them together for extra strength. :smokin:

That sounds good about the springs. I think that may work for me.

The bar design sounds like what I did to mine also. :smokin:
I am working on getting a shopping list made up for the Wife's SSII Scout buildup. RS will be done on her rig too.

Oh God...Not another FS vs RS debate...:flipoff2: :cool2: :D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=432866

This was a good one right OLD SCOUT :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Shackles are :rainbow: go with coils.

there would be no debates if people would just run shackles forward and reverse. best of both worlds:flipoff2:

there would be no debates if people would just run shackles forward and reverse. best of both worlds:flipoff2:

Yep, shackles on both ends and some links would do it.

Of course, then we could get into the "shackle forward on 1/4 eliptical" vs "shackle to the rear 1/4 eliptical" depates..

Shackle forward would probably be best, so the weight of the spring pack is at the center of the vehicle, not the ends.. but then it still depends on how you want your polar moment of inertia to be.. back to preference. :D

Shackles are :rainbow: go with coils.

can I trade the sets I just bought from you for coils? :grinpimp:


I'd like coils but springs work, when I run out of other things to do I will do coils

Rusty is right. I messed up my front end pretty good a couple months back.

Still not sure how. It was on a snow run. I think I must have run into a tree trunk buried under the snow, or else I may have just been giving it too much of hte happy pedal... In any case, I sheared a center pin off, right at the head, twisted my ubolt plates, knocked everything cattywumpus, and bent the heck out of an already bent spring...

Got it pretty much back together now. I need to run down a power steering fluid leak... I go throug a reservoir of fluid a week when I drive it.. but I am pretty sure it is the output shaft, so I will pop the pitman off and replace that seal... see if that does it...

It was a pretty good snow wheeling trip though, so the breakage was worth it. Got to drive right by a CJ on 38's who was just spinning his wheels, past a toyota pickup and a couple grand cherokees all struggling through the snow...

We broke trail for a few miles and then called it quits and got busy with the real fun, sledding with the kids... Never saw the rest of those rigs again, I guess they turned around and went back down...

Snow was nasty... multiple layers of different textures, with a rock hard ice base... You had to get on top of the snow and stay there, because there was NO traction on the ice layer underneath... add to that the really deep ice rut in the middle... ended up being one of those trails where you would climb on top of the snow, run a bit, and then break through.. I ran my tires down to about 5 lbs or so.. maybe less.. hard to say, so I had to take it easy and not peel them off the bead, on top of everything else..

But, it is sunny weather now.. time for some camping... took the top and doors off... still need a bit more snow to melt up there, snow level is still pretty low, and then I will be packing the tent and sleeping bags into the truck for some long weekends...

Hoop! Great to see you, thought you got out of scouts! ;)

Hoop! Great to see you, thought you got out of scouts! ;)

Nope. Still wheeling, just not as much...

I did put a whole unit of the 16" diamondlock landscape blocks in the back of my white 1310 a couple weeks ago though... package said it weighed in at 4800# poor old girl felt that one...

I still have about a thousand pounds of rocks still in the truck I need to unload... I got the rest out, but haven't had time for those yet...

For thread content... hmm... that truck is shackle forward... did just fine... :D :D :D

Oh God...Not another FS vs RS debate...:flipoff2: :cool2: :D
Yeah, I'm not getting into that again. I had my fill.

Nope. Still wheeling, just not as much...

I did put a whole unit of the 16" diamondlock landscape blocks in the back of my white 1310 a couple weeks ago though... package said it weighed in at 4800# poor old girl felt that one...

I still have about a thousand pounds of rocks still in the truck I need to unload... I got the rest out, but haven't had time for those yet...

For thread content... hmm... that truck is shackle forward... did just fine... :D :D :D
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kind of like this

I'll be there.fixing my failure prone shackle forward leafs no doubt.:rolleyes:
You comming up for the Rieder Pit (sorry... TRAILS :rolleyes: ) clean up on the 7th Dan?? That would be cool, but its a long drive for you for just a clean up.


I should be there. Spanaway for some racing on Saturday, then Reider Sunday for clean up and wheeling... probably bring the race truck since it will be loaded and ready.... some new to wheel as well.

You comming up for the Rieder Pit (sorry... TRAILS :rolleyes: ) clean up on the 7th Dan?? That would be cool, but its a long drive for you for just a clean up.


I should be there. Spanaway for some racing on Saturday, then Reider Sunday for clean up and wheeling... probably bring the race truck since it will be loaded and ready.... some new to wheel as well.
What??!a guy can't drive 4 1/2 hrs to pick up trash and whel with friends?I'm friends with mike kash and a few others from the NW wheeler board.thought I'd come up and help and screw off.I have only driven reiter once.every other time its been shotgun.

Probly hit gold bar by 8 so I can catch my breath and meet up with whoever.

All this depends on if I start my new job.if I do then I won't make it.

Sorry for the hi-jack.

Nope. Still wheeling, just not as much...

I did put a whole unit of the 16" diamondlock landscape blocks in the back of my white 1310 a couple weeks ago though... package said it weighed in at 4800# poor old girl felt that one...

For thread content... hmm... that truck is shackle forward... did just fine... :D :D :D

Are you SURE your 1310 is shackle-forward?

I don't remember seeing any IH Fullsizes with a forward shackle from the factory.. they're ALL rear shackle (or IFS).

Are you SURE your 1310 is shackle-forward?

I don't remember seeing any IH Fullsizes with a forward shackle from the factory.. they're ALL rear shackle (or IFS).

Rats... there goes that leg for my argument... :D :D :D

Frankly, I can't remember... dang truck sits so close to the ground, I actually have to crawl to get underneath it... ;)

I'll take your word for it though... you are undoubtedly correct.. :)

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kind of like this


Yep. Looked a lot like that..

So, when they loaded your truck, did the idiot fork lift driver set the whole load down right at the end of the bed, half on the tailgate, half inside? He did that and I half expected the back end of the bed to fold right off....

Then, he pushed it the rest of the way into the bed, sliding it on the bed... <sigh>

You look a little light in the nose... ;)

I had him center the load over the rear axle. Next time, I think I will have him move it forward a foot or so...

BTW, with those exta blocks you had in there, the loose blocks, I bet you were well over 5k with that load... ;)

Funny how all full size rigs built including IH, Ford, Chevy and Dodge came SOA and RS from the factory.

Funny how all full size rigs built including IH, Ford, Chevy and Dodge came SOA and RS from the factory.


All toyota (pu) straight axles too ;)

What??!a guy can't drive 4 1/2 hrs to pick up trash and whel with friends?I'm friends with mike kash and a few others from the NW wheeler board.thought I'd come up and help and screw off.I have only driven reiter once.every other time its been shotgun.

Probly hit gold bar by 8 so I can catch my breath and meet up with whoever.

All this depends on if I start my new job.if I do then I won't make it.

Sorry for the hi-jack.
No problem with that, I was just a little surprised.


It will be fun. Crash is a great guy and Reiter is a fun area to wheel.



See ya there!

Funny how all full size rigs built including IH, Ford, Chevy and Dodge came SOA and RS from the factory.
uhm ...no sorry. my 97 F-350 id shackle forward but that will change soon:D

No problem with that, I was just a little surprised.

It will be fun. Crash is a great guy and Reiter is a fun area to wheel.

See ya there!

HYJACK BACK ON:::::::::::::

I will be there too:)

HYJACK BACK ON:::::::::::::

I will be there too:)

You, I and hopefully many others too.

Funny how all full size rigs built including IH, Ford, Chevy and Dodge came SOA and RS from the factory.

Sort of .... My 2wd IH PU is SUA in the rear....

I did my reverse shackle as Will March did, a no lift. I really need to do the shackle mount into frame rail versus the shackle mount welded to frame rail.

The revese shackle is much better then the shackle forward setup. The rig hauled my trailer with Rock up and down slabs with crevices, over rocks and anything else in its way. Guess what? NO BENT SPRINGS. It also climbed much better:smokin:
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when did you do that to the bed of your rig dude...??

when did you do that to the bed of your rig dude...??
July of last year.

when did you do that to the bed of your rig dude...??
That was sooooo last year, dude. :laughing: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Glad you like it Mike.

I am going to reverse shackle my next rig.

That was sooooo last year, dude. :laughing: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Glad you like it Mike.

Dude...I have some teabags here that need a good squeeze...suck me.

I have some better music for that CD I am sending you....:flipoff2:

I did the reverse shackle on my terra (will-marsh). I like the way it handles and it is mostly driven on-road, the only offroad being to cut firewood or a little mud running up and down B-service roads.

The only thing I don't like is the pinion pointing down. I welded the old spring mounts to the frame, now I'm thinking thru the frame is the way to go. Who sells a kit for this?

Soon, Jeff will be. Mine is the next on the list to get a proto set. It will be driven mostly on road. I do plan on making it capable but not hard core, I plan on running it on the con this Sept. but that is as "hardcore" as I am going to go with it. Mostly play with the family and light runs. I have driven several RS scouts and coutless FS scouts and the RS is the way to go for stablity and drivablity. And yes through the frame is the way to go hands down.

I've been truly impressed with the road manners of my non RS hoopty SII but then again it rides on stock wheels and tires ;)

http://whiteknucklemotorsports.net/gallery2/d/5112-2/2006_june4_ScoutII_+004.jpg

I do think it rides better than our coil suspension ZJ though!

My trail rigs (3 of em now) have all been RS so I really don't have anything to compare it with. It seems that the concensus isn't so much the ride as it is just not bending springs on rocks but who knows..

I did the reverse shackle on my terra (will-marsh). I like the way it handles and it is mostly driven on-road, the only offroad being to cut firewood or a little mud running up and down B-service roads.

The only thing I don't like is the pinion pointing down. I welded the old spring mounts to the frame, now I'm thinking thru the frame is the way to go. Who sells a kit for this?

Jeff at 916-652-4706
www.ihonlynorth.com

click on the on-line store and then suspension, the kits are on the second page. :D

Jeff at 916-652-4706
www.ihonlynorth.com

click on the on-line store and then suspension, the kits are on the second page. :D

Thank you, I'll give him a call.

Dude...I have some teabags here that need a good squeeze...suck me.
Based on your "location" description... those slick bald giblets would probably just pop right out of my hand before I could give them a proper, bring you to your knees, whorehouse squeeze. :flipoff2: :eek:

....for that CD I am sending you....:flipoff2:
Dude that is also sssoooooooo last year!! :laughing: :flipoff2: :laughing: