http://www.petitiononline.com/boxer/petition.html


:usa:

done:D

#12

DONE!! #13:D

Done....#16.

If you guys really want to help, please take just a minute or two to write a letter using the sample and e-mail addresses that I have provided at:

New Proposed Wilderness Areas (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/new_proposed_wilderness_areas_for_CA.htm)

Crowdog

come on people, STAND UP FOR OUR SPORT!!! there was ONLY 14 signatures there:mad3:

#18:p

Originally posted by Crowdog
If you guys really want to help, please take just a minute or two to write a letter using the sample and e-mail addresses that I have provided at:

New Proposed Wilderness Areas (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/new_proposed_wilderness_areas_for_CA.htm)

Crowdog

DONE!!!!! :D thanks crowdog

Signed it and emailed the link to others.

Fred

34, sent the additional email

Thanks Cro for making this painless so maybe more will jump on this.

done, thanks for the info. :D

#38, Even though I'm not from California, the only reason I'd want to go would be to wheel in some of the nice spots ya got :)

#40, Done. Tired of the lands of "NO" use!!
Later,
Steve

kill the greenies

and where the hell is the sticky??????:confused: :flipoff2:

#48

Matt

#49

done. #50

#58:usa:

Done, 62, Just a ?, do the out of state sigs help?? I still will sign,anyways, but I have always wondered this
Lets keep the trails open:usa: and :nuke: the greenies

Done, I was #69 I think

Done #82 :cool:

#90 :usa:

#96/#97(wife)

#95 and proud to take a couple of minutes to copy others who should sign.

Crow, your the man, thanks.

Rich

#98

Done #103 Keep Em Coming TTT

I recieved this response from one of the El Dorado County Supervisors (Helen Baumann). Boxer is pushing her proposals through every County's Supervisors, so contacting your supervisors is VERY important.



Mr. Crowley:

Your email message to Supervisor Baumann in which you expressed your concerns regarding the proposed designation of new Wilderness areas in California has been printed for her review.

Thank you for taking the time to provide both your comments and valuable information.

In terms of Senator Boxer's Wilderness Area Proposal, we are expecting a map from the Senator's office and are looking forward to "overlaying" the map of the proposed new area over the county district map.

Supervisor Baumann expects to be in receipt of material from Senator Boxer's office that will provide a comprehensive understanding of her proposal.

Please contact me if you have additional questions.

Brenda Bailey



I also received this reply from Supervisor Borelli. I actually called his office and talked to his assistant who told me that she was very much in agreement with my letter!


Dear Mr. Crowley:

Thank you for taking the time to write Supervisor Borelli and sharing your concerns regarding Wilderness Areas in California. I will make sure the supervisor receives your valuable input.

These are important issues which will affect all Californians; especially those who are OHV enthusiasts. I am sure the Board of Supervisors will be monitoring this situation closely.

Again, thank you for sharing your viewpoint and knowledge of the situation.

Sincerely,

Julianne van Leeuwen,
Assistant to Supervisor Borelli
District III


It takes just a few minutes to get a few emails out. Get off your asses and make a difference!

Crowdog

ttb

152 now

Man, I saw this somewhere else, and signed it. Then I thought to myself, "Self, I should post this link at the PBB, and get a lot more sigs." Come over here, and what do I find?? It's already here! Man you guys are the greatest!

#150

# 154 :)

Done # 171 Come awn people with over 5,000 people registerd here and there is only 171 sigs. get off your ass:flipoff2:

top

Did it. Thanks for the link. I'm an out of stater too, but I do make the trek on occasion to enjoy the great wheeling opps there.

I always sign em, but I've always wondered if these online petitions make a difference though. Anyone know?

Done... top. Keep this up.
180 now.

Originally posted by ARokCrwlr
I always sign em, but I've always wondered if these online petitions make a difference though. Anyone know?

Petitions are better than nothing. But what we really need is for everyone to write a letter, or just call Boxer's office. I called her Sacramento office yesterday. You don't have to spend much time on the phone. Just tell them that you wanted to let Senator Boxer know that you are totally opposed to new Wilderness Areas that restrict OHV access. Easy.

Here are Boxer's office numbers:
Washington D. C. (202) 224-3553
San Francisco (415) 403-0100
Sacramento (916) 448-2787
Los Angeles (213) 894-5000
Fresno (559) 497-5109
San Diego (619) 239-3884
San Bernardino (909) 888-8525

It doesn't really matter where you call, because you won't be talking to Boxer anyway. Just be polite.

Here is a letter to send to Boxer - Senator@Boxer.senate.gov

Dear Senator Boxer:

I am writing to you today regarding the continual closure of off-highway vehicle (OHV) recreational areas throughout the country. More and more lands that were once available for OHVs have been closed down due to a variety of reasons. Most often environmental groups have used the Endangered Species Act to file lawsuits against Federal agencies.

But now I have learned that you are poised to propose many new Wilderness Areas in California. This is of great concern to me because the primary effect of Wilderness designation is the reduction of access especially for recreation (the "no mechanized transport" rule of the Wilderness Designation Act, prevents even bicycle access). Any lands proposed for Wilderness Designation must meet the suitability and manageability test. Much public land in the west has wilderness character. Just because it has a wild character does not mean that the lands are appropriate for this most restrictive management designation.

These continual land closures are really a recipe for disaster. Statistics from the California Department of Parks and Recreation show that the actual acreage available for OHV use in California has declined by 47% in recent years while registration of OHVs has practically doubled. Squeezing more OHVs onto less land can only result in an increase in illegal off-road activities in areas not designated for motorized recreational use as well as increased impacts in legal OHV areas.

This most extreme of land designation should not be taken lightly. Wilderness has real, long-term consequences for California. Please consider this issue carefully before proposing any new Wilderness Area designations.

Thank you for consideration.

Sincerely,

Name
City, State


The other important thing to do if you live in California is to send the letter (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/sample_letter_opposing_new_wilderness_areas.htm) to your County Board of Supervisors. Boxer is using them to get this going. If you don't live in CA, send it to your Senator's and Congressman.

Crowdog

I changed the sample letter around a bit to make it easier for those of you that don't live in California. I'm not the greatest letter writer, but feel free to use this letter as your template. If anyone out there has a better letter, post it!


Dear ___________:

I am writing to you today regarding the continual closure of off-highway vehicle (OHV) recreational areas throughout the country. More and more lands that were once available for OHVs have been closed down due to a variety of reasons. Most often environmental groups have used the Endangered Species Act to file lawsuits against Federal agencies.

But now I have learned that some of these same groups are proposing many new Wilderness Areas in California and other western states. This is of great concern to me because the primary effect of Wilderness designation is the reduction of access especially for recreation (the "no mechanized transport" rule of the Wilderness Designation Act, prevents even bicycle access). Any lands proposed for Wilderness Designation must meet the suitability and manageability test. Much public land in the west has wilderness character. Just because it has a wild character does not mean that the lands are appropriate for this most restrictive management designation.

These continual land closures are really a recipe for disaster. Statistics show that the actual acreage available for OHV use has dramatically declined in recent years while registration of OHVs has practically doubled. Squeezing more OHVs onto less land can only result in an increase in illegal off-road activities in areas not designated for motorized recreational use as well as increased impacts in legal OHV areas.

This most extreme of land designation should not be taken lightly. Wilderness has real, long-term consequences for our country. Please consider this issue carefully and oppose any new Wilderness Area designations.

Thank you for consideration.

Sincerely,


Use www.congress.org to find your representatives.

Crowdog
www.crowley-offroad.com

tha duty has been done...... :D #189

I sent the original one, and sent one to the Senator@Boxer.senate.gov addy, and I'm going to send a letter through mail. Anyone have an address handy?

Originally posted by Im4yotas
I sent the original one, and sent one to the Senator@Boxer.senate.gov addy, and I'm going to send a letter through mail. Anyone have an address handy?

Im4yotas, thanks for your help!

Here is Boxer's contact info

Washington Office:
Phone: (202) 224-3553
Fax: (415) 956-6701
112 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-0505

Main District Office:
Phone: (415) 403-0100
Fax: (415) 956-6701
1700 Montgomery St., #240
San Francisco, CA 94111

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/?id=358&lvl=C

www.congress.org is awesome for this type of info.

Crowdog

#280

How long has this been around? We should be able to get A LOT more!

Originally posted by desertCJ
#280

How long has this been around? We should be able to get A LOT more!

Just put it up yesterday.

If you are able to spend a few minutes more, click here. (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/new_proposed_wilderness_areas_for_CA.htm)

Crowdog

#289!!!!

#294

# 295

We are up to 328. Come on. There are more that 10,000 people on this BBS. We can't even hit 10% of that number.

:confused:

Originally posted by Crowdog


Im4yotas, thanks for your help!

Here is Boxer's contact info

Washington Office:
Phone: (202) 224-3553
Fax: (415) 956-6701
112 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-0505

Main District Office:
Phone: (415) 403-0100
Fax: (415) 956-6701
1700 Montgomery St., #240
San Francisco, CA 94111

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/?id=358&lvl=C

www.congress.org is awesome for this type of info.

Crowdog

Thanks Crow. I'll send the typed letter to both offices.
You think we'll get more hits if we post the link in each forum? In chit chat, too?

I think I was 331.

TTT!!

Originally posted by Im4yotas


Thanks Crow. I'll send the typed letter to both offices.
You think we'll get more hits if we post the link in each forum? In chit chat, too?


Its there and even has a sticky, It's in the L/U section.....People are just lazy fawks that don't care....present company excluded


:usa:

OK - I'm #449. I don't usually send e-mails or sign online petitions because I don't think they mean much to the Congressman, Senator, or other public official as opposed to a hand written letter. What would be really cool is if every person who signed the online petition also sent a hand written letter to the addresses that Crowdog listed a couple posts back. Hell, how about a letter a week on an issue? How about someone on this board coordinating a land use fund and each of us dumping $10/month into it? $10,000/month would go a long ways towards defeating CBD and the Sierra Club.

Originally posted by withamc
OK - I'm #449. I don't usually send e-mails or sign online petitions because I don't think they mean much to the Congressman, Senator, or other public official as opposed to a hand written letter. What would be really cool is if every person who signed the online petition also sent a hand written letter to the addresses that Crowdog listed a couple posts back. Hell, how about a letter a week on an issue? How about someone on this board coordinating a land use fund and each of us dumping $10/month into it? $10,000/month would go a long ways towards defeating CBD and the Sierra Club.

[sarcasm on]
But then we actually might be able to defeat the wackos that are trying to limit our access. I think it is much more fun to beg people to spend a lousy 30 seconds of their time to sign one stinking petition. We shouldn't even begin to think that countinued access to OUR land is important enough for someone to actually take 30 minutes a week writing letters.
[sarcasm off]

Crowdog

454

TTT

Done, thanks.

DO IT!!!!!!!!!!! BTW, I was like number 510.

DONE.;)

Done. #566

#573 and counting...

Originally posted by twn44s
Done # 171 Come awn people with over 5,000 people registerd here and there is only 171 sigs. get off your ass:flipoff2: way haven't you told me?? and is the jeep done???

#617

Cliff

They have identified 7.4 million acres of public land and nearly 4,000 miles of free-flowing rivers and creeks that qualify for protection under the 1964 Wilderness Act and the 1968 Wild and Scenic Rivers Act.
:eek: :eek:

Crowdog
The world is run be people who show up.
Get involved, or lose it all......

TTT!

Nice open, publicized, public meeting :mad3: . I have asked to be put on the list for any future meetings. Send in those editorials to the Mt. Democrat.

Crowdog
www.crowley-offroad.com
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April 15, 2002 -- Designation still not known after meeting

By EDMOND JACOBY Staff writer

A meeting called by El Dorado County Supervisor Dave Solaro to collect information about the proposed boundaries and extent of land in the county proposed by U.S. Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Ca., for designation as wilderness areas was turned on its head Friday when Boxer's state deputy director, Thomas Bohigian, decided he was the fact-finder, not the fact-giver.

Solaro's intention was to sit down with Bohigian, Boxer's point man on the wilderness issue, and "about a dozen" interested parties and hear what the senator's plans entail. She has been preparing legislation for more than a year that would expand federally designated wilderness areas, and a patchwork of land parcels in California is part of the proposal.

While wilderness designation would mean development would be prohibited in those areas, it also would mean that many users now enjoying the land to be designated would lose their access, such as mountain bikers, and basic forestry practices with implications for the safety of nearby inhabited land might change.

Altogether, some 54 people arrived at Strawberry Lodge near Twin Bridges for the morning meeting, representing widely divergent groups.

Solaro asked Bohigian to explain Boxer's plan, and he simply took over instead of moderating and announced that he was there to listen to the proposals and concerns of everyone present. In the end, there was no explanation of the legislation Boxer's office says has not yet been written but will be presented in Congress within the next 60 days. Complex legislation of the sort Boxer's office describes usually takes at least two years to be developed.

"There is no bill that has been crafted and introduced," Bohigian insisted. "We're in the process of meeting with stakeholder groups. It is part of the process to develop a piece of legislation."

Proposed for designation as a wilderness area is land around Caples Lake and Caples Creek. The designation would be a potential problem for El Dorado Irrigation District because Caples Lake is an EID water source, and the creek is part of the water supply for the Project 184 hydroelectric plant.

Not only would designation as a wilderness area make maintenance of the water supply system difficult, because motorized and mechanized equipment would be prohibited by the wilderness designation, but clearing of brush and forest fire fuels which would be prohibited, increase the eventual likelihood of a fire.

EID Board of Directors President George Osborne, a former forest fire fighter, objected that he saw too little concern for obvious dangers in the wilderness designation.

"When a fire starts in a wilderness area," he said, "the initial response is constrained." There is a tendency, he said, to let nature take its course until things get wildly out of hand.

"In the Cleveland (Wilderness) fire, 17,000 acres burned, and the downstream consequences were thousands of tons of mudslides," he said.

"And the potential for that is greatly enhanced: They say they can use mechanized equipment to fight a dangerous fire; but doesn't happen right away, the decision is put off as long as possible, and the result is that when the decision is made, they're running away from it instead of attacking it," he said.

Bohigian agreed, but then quickly changed the subject, saying, "You're completely right. But then, sometimes Arson fires get started way far back in the forest. What do you want to do?"

At least a quarter of those in attendance seemed to support the idea of expanding wilderness designated land in the Sierras and foothills.

Opponents said afterward they were frustrated rather than reassured by the meeting because they came to hear answers responding to their concerns, and they heard none.

"It's a moving target," Osborne said.

"We need to see a map; we need to know what's being proposed," he said.

"But they won't tell us," he complained.

"Hell, we're the principal land owner in this area -- we have the greatest interest in the outcome of this thing -- and we only accidentally found out about the legislation and about this meeting," he said.

Michele Kruger of the Lake Tahoe Snowmobile Association, one of a number of recreational user groups attending, said that her group has "a lot of members who have been snowmobiling in this area since the 1960s."

She said that "they risk being closed out of where they recreate. Sometimes, that's literally in their own back yards."

She went on to suggest that "if you designate too much wilderness area in California, it will lose its value." The comment drew nods of approval from most of the attendees.

"Bohigian does a very good job of deflecting, rather than answering, questions," said Becky Bell, a mountain biker.

Asked to explain Sen. Boxer's expectations for the economic impact of enlarging wilderness set-asides in California, Bohigian said he thought it might benefit tourism.

"We were a little hurt that Sen. Boxer did not come herself to El Dorado County and to the Irrigation District to talk about this with us," said John Fraser, a member of the EID Board of Directors.

"We found out about this from second- and third-hand sources," he said.

"Our only agenda here is good public policy," Bohigian said.

"That's why we want to have your input," he said.

http://www.mtdemocrat.com/display/inn_news/P0415_N3.txt

ttt

common you homo's

do you like to wheel or climb the polls at mall!:flipoff2: :mad:

It's up to 793! Wish people would respond to this like they do a free driveshaft.:rolleyes:

Clicking on a link is great - but pull out a damn piece of paper and a pen and take 10 minutes to write a letter and put it in the mail! 1 hand written letter is worth 100 e-mail signatures. If we flood Boxer's and your local representative's office with letters we might have a chance of defeating or at least down-sizing the proposed Wilderness areas.
Also, keep an eye out for articles in your local paper and respond with a letter when you see B.S. supporting this. The following is a letter I just sent to the Ventura County Star after they printed an article by a greenie lying to the readers about the dangers of local control of our forests:
Re: Bill Willers' April 15 commentary, "Charter forests spell trouble" :
His carefully worded commentary is full of misleading statements designed to convince the casual reader that "big business" is about to take over our public lands, clear-cut them and pave them over. According to him, only the ever-wise federal government is fit to manage these lands. After all, it has done so well with public education, Social Security.... Need I go on?
What you should know about Willers is that he is president of the Superior Wilderness Action Network. SWAN is listed as a supporter of the Wildlands Project, an organization that seeks to crowd Americans into densely populated urban islands and "rewild" as much as 50 percent of the land mass of the western United States.
According to environmental organizations such as Earth First!, the Center for Biological Diversity and others, "rewilding" for all intents and purposes seeks to place this land off-limits to humans.
The reason that returning control of our public lands to local governments alarms Willers and other environmental extremists is that it's much easier to focus on one entity (the federal government) than it is to have to deal with the individual local governments that have to answer to the people they serve.
And deal with the government it does. Check out its Web site (www.superiorwild.org). Like many of its environmental brethren, SWAN appears to be in the business of filing lawsuits. In SWAN's case, it tends to target the timber industry, which, on the surface, might appear a good thing, except when you realize its position is zero timber harvest on public lands, which, if you ask any seasoned forester, leads to increased wildfire danger and risk of forest disease.
So, SWAN, in effect, costs the taxpayers money by filing lawsuit after lawsuit, drives up the price of construction materials and homes, sends the timber business overseas where there are no regulations against clear-cutting and places the American public at increased risk.
Public lands management decisions belong at the local level where the people making the decisions are more visible to those they serve and less vulnerable to frivolous lawsuits.

BTT

1135

Furor over Cache Creek designation

April 24, 2002

By UCILIA WANG
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT

LAKE COUNTY

LAKEPORT -- A plan to give added protection to some federal land in Lake County drew resistance Tuesday from county supervisors.


Concerns about losing access to water prompted the objection to Sen. Barbara Boxer's proposal to include about 42,000 acres around Cache Creek in a bill to designate millions of acres throughout the state as federal wilderness areas.


In Lake County, some residents are still angry about a decision by the Board of Supervisors to sell Yolo County rights to water in Clear Lake nearly a century ago. The current board fears the county would lose more control if the wilderness proposal becomes law.


"I can tell you that I am opposed to anything having to do with Cache Creek," Supervisor Gary Lewis said. "It's too scary to give up our rights. We have enough wilderness areas."


The board voted 4-1 to send a letter opposing a wilderness designation for Cache Creek. Supervisor Ed Robey cast the dissenting vote.


Robey also supports an 11,500-acre expansion of the Snow Mountain Wilderness Area in the Mendocino National Forest, which is likely to be included in Boxer's legislation.


The board didn't take a position on that provision.


All of the land under consideration already belongs to the federal government.


Lake County supervisors said they fear that wilderness protection would make it more difficult to build dams, reservoirs or other facilities along Cache Creek, which is the outlet for Clear Lake.


The county has no current plans to develop water from Cache Creek.


North Coast residents have flooded public meetings in the past year as Boxer's staff and the environmental groups supporting her effort presented her vision of what should be included in the legislation.


The bill, which is still being drafted, is scheduled for introduction in Congress in May, said Tom Bohigian, assistant state director for Boxer.


Wilderness designation is given to federal land that has retained its natural characteristics. It protects the land from development, such as oil drilling, road building and logging.


People can ride horses, hike and hunt in wilderness areas, but they can't mountain bike or use off-road vehicles.


"I support the expansion of wilderness areas because they are a place for solitude," Bill Knispel, an agricultural consultant and hunter, said at the board meeting. "It's also a reservoir for game and a free and quality place to hunt."


Critics said the designation would prevent many people from enjoying land that is maintained by tax dollars.


"Giving up our rights to the government is a one-way trip," said Randy Ridgel, a Kelseyville resident. "We are about to give the federal government the right for us to enter those areas."


Other North Coast areas being considered include the King Range in Humboldt County and land surrounding the Yolla Bolly-Middle Eel Wilderness, which crosses Mendocino, Trinity and Shasta counties.


Boxer isn't considering any areas in Sonoma County.


Her bill, which could include up to 2.5 million acres, would be the largest expansion of wilderness areas in the state since the 1994 California Desert Protection Act, which was sponsored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein.


The Desert Protection Act gave special status to 7 million acres of land, doubling the size of the state's wilderness areas.


Boxer's bill also would ask for the "wild and scenic" designation for eligible rivers in the state. The designation would prevent development such as dam building and prohibit major diversions.


Black Butte River in Mendocino County could be included, according to an environmental coalition working with Boxer on the legislation.


In Lake County, proponents initially wanted to designate Cache Creek as "wild and scenic," but dropped the idea after hearing strong opposition from Lake and Yolo County.


You can reach Staff Writer Ucilia Wang at 462-6473 or uwang@pressdemocrat.com.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/news/24wilderness_b1.html

Have you signed the petition to oppose this yet?
http://www.petitiononline.com/boxer/petition.html

And take a moment to write your representatives:
http://www.crowley-offroad.com/new_proposed_wilderness_areas_for_CA.htm

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Reaction Strong against California Wilderness Bill
Report By Sierra Times
Published 05. 1. 02 at 23:06 Sierra Time

POCATELLO, ID -- Recreationists express concern about the negative access impacts of Senator Barbara Boxer's (D-CA) newly announced "California Wild Heritage Wilderness Act of 2002." The legislation treatens to close almost 2.5 million acres of lands currently used by mountain bikers, 4-wheel drive enthusiasts, the ski industry, and other outdoor interests who value access to our public lands.

Off-highway recreation users are already denied access to over 21 percent of California's National Forest lands and 25 percent of areas under Bureau of Land Management jurisdiction.

Nancy Ingalsbee, a former spokesperson for the ski industry, said, "I remember when we had the famous 'wilderness' battles back in the 1980s. I don't think any of us would have supported the California Wilderness Act of 1984 if we knew that we would have to fight this issue again just a decade or two later."

Don Amador, the western representative for the BlueRibbon Coalition (BRC), said, "I think a lot of recreational users who depend on legal trails and roads for access to the backcountry are going to strongly oppose Boxer's effort to shut us out of our favorite areas."

"Federally designated wilderness is highly restrictive and bans the use of motorized and mechanized vehicles including trail and mountain bikes. Anti-access groups have even filed legal action to close Wilderness to horse packers. Also, I think local governments and cabin owners are going to be concerned about the Act's negative impact on their ability to manage the forest to prevent wildfires," Amador stated.

"I believe that a vast majority of areas she proposes to close should remain in multiple-use using existing best management practices. Instead of supporting Boxer's plan, I will urge counties to look at the BRC's Backcountry designation as an alternative that allows access and requires that special lands be actively managed to preserve their rustic nature." Amador concludes.

© 2002 SierraTimes.com
http://www.sierratimes.com/02/05/02/arid050202.htm