Anyone riding these days or just talking about it? :flipoff2:

Skagg's Point, Thursday the 25th. 9 am. Who's there?

Paul (:flipoff2:)

Some of us have real jobs sucka :flipoff2:
How about on the weekend? Sunday?

haven't ridden since I started warrantying my frame in January...still waiting for a new rear triangle... :mad3::mad3:


:usa:

Hey. I've been riding every day of the week. I checked out the dh course at Carnegie today, the race is sunday. Two of my friends are racing it. check it out. Oh, and where is Skaggs Point? heard of it before just can't remember where it is and what type of trails are there.


-ian

Vova - I've worked 5 days a week since the beginning of December with no extra days off. Just because my normal days off are Tuesday and Wednesday..... :flipoff2: Sunday is no good. Going to actually spend some time with Wendy... :eek:

Pete - Kick some ass!!!!! :D

Ianbike - Skagg's is on Skyline above Woodside on the Peninsula. Mostly single track.

Paul

I wanta go :D

I havent been to skaggs in a LONG time, and my legs have gotten skinny. So if ya dont mind a "slow" climber send me a PM

Same here,i have'nt riden since I don't know when,i'm 20 lbs. over weight and my legs have grown hair ,but I'm up for it.Is that a good place to ride a single?

good place to ride a single.?....... Sure it is, anything to give me company on the long climbs will help (ME)

I just started riding again.

Let me get my Lungs and legs and bike to stop working against each other and maybe I'll join you folks on some rides.

Yo guys, if any of you'd be interested on some rides out my way I got a few good ones that I know about. Mt. Diablo is mainly firetrail but the climbs can be painful and the dh is always fast and fun. Then there's Las Trampas which is shorter but much steeper. All illegal but the singletrack here is awesome. But yea, basically Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays are all pretty much open to ride. Lets get somethin goin.


-Ian

Been riding my new single as much as possible over here! Doesn't mean much to yous guys though! :D

BTW SS fawking rocks! Gears??? WTF? :D

Originally posted by ianbike
All illegal but the singletrack here is awesome.

:mad3: Ian - riding where it's illegal is just killing any chance of opening it up, and will give those closing trails more evidence of the irresponsibility of mountain bikers. Just like wheelin' on illegal land. Knock it off!!!

That said, Kyron and I will be meeting at Skagg's at 9am on Thursday the 25th. Yes, Leonel... you can bring your SS. As fat and out of shape as you are you'll need to push your bike up the hills anyway.... :flipoff2:

Paul

nasvik,
I know that riding illegal trails is well illegal. But, I'm just riding my bike, trying to have fun shouldn't be made illegal. I do definately agree with your point that riding illegal stuff only hurts riders efforts to preserve whats left, but in most of the places that I ride there has been inadequate enforcement of these rules and IF a rider gets caught he is usually given a mild warning instead of a fine. Personally, my friends and I try to maintain the trails that we ride, we make attempts to be nice to everyone. The illegal trails that I ride never have people on them since they are mostly too difficult to hike on or ride a horse on. The trails I ride are kept up by mountain bikers. I have recieved warm smiles from many in one spot I ride, frowns from others. Mountain bikers are often hated for destroying trails, oddly enough the natural erosion of the earth does more damage to the trails than we do, so do the cattle that roam Las Trampas and the horses that are brought up on the trails. Hikers litter more frequently and blame it on mountain bikers.

nasvik,
I know that riding illegal trails is well illegal. But, I'm just riding my bike, trying to have fun shouldn't be made illegal. I do definately agree with your point that riding illegal stuff only hurts riders efforts to preserve whats left, but in most of the places that I ride there has been inadequate enforcement of these rules and IF a rider gets caught he is usually given a mild warning instead of a fine. Personally, my friends and I try to maintain the trails that we ride, we make attempts to be nice to everyone. The illegal trails that I ride never have people on them since they are mostly too difficult to hike on or ride a horse on. The trails I ride are kept up by mountain bikers. I have recieved warm smiles from many in one spot I ride, frowns from others. Mountain bikers are often hated for destroying trails, oddly enough the natural erosion of the earth does more damage to the trails than we do, so do the cattle that roam Las Trampas and the horses that are brought up on the trails. Hikers litter more frequently and blame it on mountain bikers. Trust me, if I took you on a ride out here, you would definately see what I mean, and you would also become a regular rider in Las Trampas. I'll bet that everyone on this board has mountain biked illegally more than once. As far as Mt. Diablo goes...they have recently posted a 20 mph speed limit on all roads and trails. Experienced riders such as me are infuriated by this.Some of the local bike shops, many risers, and I have had enough of this and will begin to plan protest rides down the mountain. This speed limit is acceptable for those who don't know the trails and roads, but experienced riders should be allowed to coexist with the rangers. :smokin: Just remember, the next time that anti-mountain bikers want to have fun we'll just have to be there to fuk it up for them.

-Ian

-if I pissed anyone off, I'm sorry. Just tellin it like I see it.

Ian - have you read your sig line lately?

Yes, I've ridden illegal single track. I can guarantee that there's not a stretch of any trail on Mt Tam I haven't ridden. The speed limit on Tam is 15, and I know I've surpassed it. Does that make it right? Does it mean that it's right? Does that mean we all should? No. Use the law, get involved. You won't win against those closing the trails and enforcing the speed limiits if you're the asshole about it.

"The truth as I see it" can be changed. Take this to the 4x4 section of this site and tell them you were screwing around in Jergens when you knew you shouldn't be. Good luck not getting your ass kicked....

Paul

Originally posted by nasvik


:mad3: Ian - riding where it's illegal is just killing any chance of opening it up, and will give those closing trails more evidence of the irresponsibility of mountain bikers. Just like wheelin' on illegal land. Knock it off!!!

That said, Kyron and I will be meeting at Skagg's at 9am on Thursday the 25th. Yes, Leonel... you can bring your SS. As fat and out of shape as you are you'll need to push your bike up the hills anyway.... :flipoff2:

Paul


The 25th sounds good so far,that gives me a whole 10 days to loose some weight and get in shape :rolleyes: right! Paul i'm with you 100% about the ilegal single track,that does'nt mean i never have done because i have,i even spend a day in court over it ,but when you do you are fucking it up for everybody else

Originally posted by ianbike
nasvik,
I know that riding illegal trails is well illegal. But, I'm just riding my bike, trying to have fun shouldn't be made illegal. I do definately agree with your point that riding illegal stuff only hurts riders efforts to preserve whats left, but in most of the places that I ride there has been inadequate enforcement of these rules and IF a rider gets caught he is usually given a mild warning instead of a fine. Personally, my friends and I try to maintain the trails that we ride, we make attempts to be nice to everyone. The illegal trails that I ride never have people on them since they are mostly too difficult to hike on or ride a horse on. The trails I ride are kept up by mountain bikers. I have recieved warm smiles from many in one spot I ride, frowns from others. Mountain bikers are often hated for destroying trails, oddly enough the natural erosion of the earth does more damage to the trails than we do, so do the cattle that roam Las Trampas and the horses that are brought up on the trails. Hikers litter more frequently and blame it on mountain bikers. Trust me, if I took you on a ride out here, you would definately see what I mean, and you would also become a regular rider in Las Trampas. I'll bet that everyone on this board has mountain biked illegally more than once. As far as Mt. Diablo goes...they have recently posted a 20 mph speed limit on all roads and trails. Experienced riders such as me are infuriated by this.Some of the local bike shops, many risers, and I have had enough of this and will begin to plan protest rides down the mountain. This speed limit is acceptable for those who don't know the trails and roads, but experienced riders should be allowed to coexist with the rangers. :smokin: Just remember, the next time that anti-mountain bikers want to have fun we'll just have to be there to fuk it up for them.

-Ian

-if I pissed anyone off, I'm sorry. Just tellin it like I see it.

Umm...let me guess, you are 18 years old, and you feel that what you are saying is completely fine, and people automatically know that you are "doing the right thing" by riding illegal trails? WRONG!

You have to understand, it's all about the image you project to non-bikers, because they are the other people who use the trails, and they are the ones who have the clout(for some reason) to get trails closed. Just because you see other people on the trails while you are riding illegally, and they don't say anything, doesn't mean that they arent pissed, and making phone calls when they get home. Get a fawking clue dude, I'm trying to write this without getting too worked up, because it is people like you who have caused all of the good riding spots in this area to be closed to biking. I used to ride every day after high school at many killer places near my home, that is now a thing of the distant past. Now, we have to ride in a few select areas where your car gets broken into while you ride, so it takes any fun out of it. Please think about this, I know you have a lot of sick, epic rides in your area, but don't be the one to spoil it for all of these other guys.

I'll step off my soapbox now... :eek:

Im down for a por DH session. I have to bring my bike to carrnige next time I go dirtbiking.

Originally posted by nasvik
Ian - have you read your sig line lately?

Paul

I was thinking the same thing :D

Make the DH sessions in Pacifica and I'll show up :beer:

P-town sounds good I have friends that ride there said theyd take me when I get a beter bike. I have a beater K2 beast they ride good bikes. One Intense M1, Santa Cruz Super 8, the stuff I cant afford.

Your "friends" won't let you ride with you until you get a better bike? Some friends.... :rolleyes:

Interesting thread - amazing what's come up.

Paul

Nice friends, fawking bike snobs!! :rolleyes:

Just RIDE!!! :vader:

Originally posted by fire_beer_mayhem
P-town sounds good I have friends that ride there said theyd take me when I get a beter bike. I have a beater K2 beast they ride good bikes. One Intense M1, Santa Cruz Super 8, the stuff I cant afford.

your friends just don't want to be outone by someone with a lesser ride....that way later on at the country club they can say "he only out-rode me because he has a newer nike blah blah blah...." :D


Ian... I'll give you a tiny bit of credit for calling it like you see it, but your still a jackass.... Illegal riding is whats hurting our sport. It's not "your fellow mountain bikers that maintain the trail with you" that are the ones closing the trails....they are just accomplices in the big picture... You are the one getting trails closed by ILLEGALLY riding them and them inviting others to do the same..... stay legal or stay home...



:usa:

Originally posted by fire_beer_mayhem
P-town sounds good I have friends that ride there said theyd take me when I get a beter bike. I have a beater K2 beast they ride good bikes. One Intense M1, Santa Cruz Super 8, the stuff I cant afford.

That's funny:eek: I rode with a few of my friends co-works who were like that. I had a beater back then, but was riding all the time. They looked at me funny when i showed up with a old school bike. I had to wait for them on their high dollar bikes the whole fawkin ride and laughted at them after we were done :flipoff2:
Just go out and get real fast/strong and kick their ass on your beater and just :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Well lets see here,
You guys all tell me to stop riding illegal trails. Nasvik apparently seems to be the only person in here that is admitting that he has ridden anything remoteley illegal. Yet no one else seems to be stepping up. Dangerber says that I am basically the reason why every cool trail is closed, I'm betting that the trails were closed because of your negligence in maintaining them as well as others in your area, and possibly you were already riding on illegal trails. Personally, I perform trail maintenece in my area which is probably much more than some here can say. I perform it not only on the illegal trails, but also on some firetrails. With what my sig says, I really don't care that people find out about where I ride. Talk to the owners of the bike shops here and they all follow the same opinion that I have, they just are much better at getting away with things being that they are more respected in the community than a 19 year old kid. I make any and all attempts to be polite and nice to whoever I meet along the trail no matter how happy or pissed at me they are. For the most part this area is off limits because people out here have too much money, they'd rather build a ten million dollar house in the hills of Alamo than keep a trail area open. This not only saddens, but also disgusts me. The people with money and influence would rather ride their horses on the trails here which causes more damage than mountain bikers ever can, four hoofs and a lot of weight definateley destroy more than two tires can. If anything, its people like YOU who decide to ride in my areas to check it out and then act like complete asses by not attempting to preserve what there is, speeding too much around blind corners, and basically just pissing people off. Mt. Diablo has speed limits for bikes now because of TOURISTS, this point was actually stated by a head park ranger for Mt. Diablo. Stupid people would bring their bikes not knowing about the trail/road conditions, and get themselves hurt. Consequently they'd blame the park that there wasn't enough speed enforcement, so now everyone has to suffer for the problems of outsiders. The problem isn't me people, it's outsiders who can't respect the trail/road. When I invite people to ride the trails here I pay close attention to who I invite, I'll only allow people to see these trails if I'm fully convinced that they can respect them and the other people that use them. I dunno, maybe I'm right, maybe I'm crazy. If I'm the only one here who openly admits to have ridden illegal trails then so be it, but I'd rather admit it instead of trying to hide it and thus create more problems for everyone down the road. I'm done for now. Maybe I'll get a part three in this debate later tonite depending on how many people I piss off.

-Ian

-oh, one last thought, the actual number of people that know about these trails is less than 20. Most of the good singletrack on Las Trampas is too hard for others to find, so at least I have some security there.

Originally posted by ianbike
Well lets see here,
You guys all tell me to stop riding illegal trails. Nasvik apparently seems to be the only person in here that is admitting that he has ridden anything remoteley illegal. Yet no one else seems to be stepping up. Dangerber says that I am basically the reason why every cool trail is closed, I'm betting that the trails were closed because of your negligence in maintaining them as well as others in your area, and possibly you were already riding on illegal trails.

I'll admit, I have ridden illegal trails before, but now, if they catch you, they seize your bike. Do you want your $3500 Balfa seized? Didn't think so. The trails in my area were not illegal trails, they were trails in county or state parks, and they were closed because of the clash between trail users. Nasvik may be able to back me up here, he may know of these places: Afton State Park, Sunfish Lake, Theodore Wirth Park, etc...

You didn't read closely, I did not blame you for trails getting closed, I was trying to convey the point that when someone sees a biker on an illegal trail, that SINGLE biker becomes the poster child in that person's head for ALL bikers. Do you get it? It is an image problem, just like the 4x4 community having an image problem with the greenies. Guess what, the greenies are the same weenies who close our biking trails, they continue to try to make everyone believe that bikes do more damage than horses, or rain runoff. Now, we know that isn't true, but they have the fawking Sierra Club backing them up, and we have no one, except for the local bike shop owners, who are usually a-holes anyway. The trails were definitely not closed due to lack of maintenance. All I'm trying to tell you is that normally we(midwesterners) take cues from you guys out west, but in this case, we have had something happen here to our trails on a large scale that may soon happen to you guys if you don't self-police your riding. I have been mountain biking since '85, where were you in '85? All of these closures I speak of happened between 1990 and 1993 or so, so we have been without these spots for a long, long time. After these places were shut down to bikes, several people would still go ride out there, and the park service basically told us that we fucked up by riding illegally, and they won't open back up to bikes like they had previously agreed to.

That's it from me until the next episode...

Thank you for giving me the real reason behind your trail closures. I know that when people see me on trails that they get the image of me being every mountain biker on the planet. Thats why I try my hardest to be as polite and nice as possible to everyone I encounter on the trails. But currently there is even a greater threat to the people that ride Las Trampas. Apparently, many people have begun building trails, this is the current issue that is giving mountain bikers a bad name. In my opinion, I believe that trail building must have permission from authorities behind it since that truly can damage the area because of people simply not knowing what they are doing. Currently, Las Trampas rangers will fine anyone up to $40,000 for building a trail. Trail maintenence is legal, but building isn't. The truth of the matter is, there is a decent amount of hilly areas that are owned by ranchers who don't really care about certain sections of land. If people wish to build a trail, they should politeley ask these people who have lots of land to spare. We tried it, and it worked to an extent. We just can't build anything too large or destroy the land too much, which is fine by me. I'm betting that once the illegal building is finally stopped, the land and people will go back to where they once stood, and some singletrack trails just might be opened back up again. It'd be a compromise that i'd be more than happy to live with.

Originally posted by nasvik
Ian - have you read your sig line lately?

The speed limit on Tam is 15, and I know I've surpassed it. Does that make it right? Does it mean that it's right? Does that mean we all should? No.

Paul

Dude, i've see you ride and you didn't surpass a thing :flipoff2:
Can't we just all get along :flipoff2:
I ride illegal trails once in a while in Santa Cruz. I know it's wrong, but I just can resist ;) ;) ;)

Dan - good memory!! I didn't know for sure that any of those places had closed as I left before then. Heard the Theodore Wirth was under fire but that's it. Bummer. :(

Vova - go back to your hole. Even fit you couldn't keep up with me for a whole ride. :flipoff2:

Ian - You've got some good ideas about how to make things right, but frankly you lack the experience to know it won't work out that way. No, we won't get land back. That's the facts of going against all the "rich people with horses". Building trails where you have permission is a great idea, but you better make sure that all users of that trail respect it as much as you do or it will be taken away too. Sadly, MTB parks are the way it's going to end up. Just like in anything else, it only takes a few jerks to screw it up for the rest of them. There's a lot of jerks out there.....

Paul

Yeah, I'm not pleased at all with a 15 mph speed limit. Even the 20 mph limit on Diablo sux. I double that easily goin down an easy trail. Not cool at all. I know that there is a great chance that there will never be a peaceful coexistence between bikers and everyone else in the world. As far as the guys land that I've built on, we've only built in a tiny area and theres only three people that know about it so were cool.


-ian

Originally posted by nasvik
Dan - good memory!! I didn't know for sure that any of those places had closed as I left before then. Heard the Theodore Wirth was under fire but that's it. Bummer. :(



Yep, all of the good places are closed off. Now, we are stuck with places like Lebanon Hills, where your car gets jacked up while you ride. Sickening. :barf:

Wirth was a good place to ride, they held the SS Worlds there a couple years ago! Speaking of illegal riding... :D

All you guys talking about legal, illegal trails and such PFFFFT

All I have out here in Antioch is Contra loma and Black diamond mines.

Fire roads with Big hills and no shade. Absolutely no legal Single track.

Excellent training ground if you can handle the heat.

I have none of the wooded nice shaded trals with nise creekx and meadows nearby.

The only places I can ride offroad I have to share with Cows

I've heard that the whole area out there is pretty damn hot in the summer. Another nice hot spot for riding is Briones. Not too much trees out there on the trails that i've ridden. I share most of my rides with cows too, they're not bad but they make the trails hell once their fat hoof prints in the mud dry to become nasty bumpy potholes.

-Ian

Briones is Paradise compared to Contra loma.

We also have Round valey that recently opened and connects up some where with morgan territory but This is still all fire roads in the sun.

What really sucks about Round valley is that that their is a new resevour out their and we can't mountain bike any where near it they let people near it but not people on bikes:confused:

Sounds like Contra loma is pretty damn hot. Sux that u can't ride at that reservoir.

So it's wrong to poach singletrack :rolleyes: then???