For the diesel guys. Who uses it? Had any ill effects? If you used it in a later model rig did you remove the CAT?

From what I understand, the red stuff (#1) is 100% identical to the green (#2), except the color they dyed it.
The difference between them is,
The red fuel is not taxed for highway revenues, and is sold for the exclusive use in non-vehicle engines, and farm/construction machinery.
I also hear the bust for having red fuel in a road vehicle is extremely stiff (especially for truck drivers. I imagine they check for this at the inspection stations).

If I left something out, I sure someone will throw it in.

Depending on where you live it may be different. But here red fuel here means big rig/tractor fuel. Totally different mix. It will run very hot but also very good. Your truck is not designed to run this fuel. I would check with the local station. It is also a large fine to run it.

My brothers dodge is modded and running #1 pegs his EGT's and smokes bad. It gave a little HP gain but not worth the possibility of blowing it up!!

Here's some info:

Exxon Low Sulfur Diesel Fuel No. 1 meets the Grade No. 1-D requirements of ASTM D975, Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils. It is intended for use in areas with abnormally low temperature conditions and as a blending component to winterize the No. 2-D grade. Compared to the No. 2-D grade, Exxon Low Sulfur Diesel No. 1 has a lower viscosity and generally provides higher cetane number and better low temperature operability.

Exxon Low Sulfur Diesel Fuel No. 2 meets the Grade No. 2-D requirements of ASTM D975, Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils. It is intended for use in all diesel fueled vehicles traveling on our nation's highway system. Compared to the No. 1-D grade, Exxon Low Sulfur Diesel No. 2 provides higher fuel economy, power, flash point, viscosity and lubricity.

Power/Fuel Economy
Engine design is the most important factor leading to power and fuel economy. However, fuels with a higher density like Exxon Low Sulfur Diesel No. 2 will provide improved power and fuel economy compared to fuels with Diesel Fuel No. 1 blended into them.

Why don't I just use Diesel Fuel No. 1?
While Diesel Fuel No. 1 has an advantage in low temperature operability, there are some disadvantages, as well. The energy content of No. 1 Diesel Fuel is about 95% that of Diesel Fuel No. 2 and will provide a correspondingly lower fuel economy. Diesel Fuel No. 1 is also lower in viscosity and provides less lubrication for the fuel pump and fuel distributor.

The big rigs use the same diesel fuel that we do. It's the only place I stop to fill up right beside them. My '01 Powerstroke Ford manual says not to use the red dyed fuel. 4x4Junkie was right in that it is not taxed the same. It is supposed to be used for things like the refrigeration units on big rig trailers. I don't know what the difference or why Ford says not to use it. As long as you run No 2 diesel from a good station you'll be fine

My understanding is that red fuel although identical to #2 will clog the catalytic converter due to the die. I have never seen green die in diesel. It's always been a natural brownish color. I worry what the red die might do to the other parts of the engine. I know the Navistars (Power strokes)are used on stationary industrial applications and I've seen people use the stuff in ranch trucks (non turbo) but I just wondered if anyone had used it in a latemodel Ford, Dodge or Chevy. At about $1.03/gal I'll run it in a heart beat once I get the cat. off.

Have a buddy running red fuel in his '02 Superduty and '00 VW TDI and swears he gets better economy with it. I don't know about that! I have always heard the dye was used in order to bust the guys using AG fuel for over the road use. I will just keep using the normal taxed stuff and not worry about getting caught!
Steve

I don't think the red dye would have an effect on engine components. Look at all the AG equipment that runs it, and for thousands of hours. I think that if it did cause a problem that it we would have heard about it before. Now what you say about the cat and the dye might be true, but I never heard anything like that before. We've run it in our farm trucks for years without any problems, and you can't beat the price around here we get it for 83cents to 88cents a gallon.

the red fuel dies all the internal components of the engine (that it comes in to contact with) red as well. therefore the cops can bust you for it one time, and if they have reason to believe that you are a long time user, they will dismantle your engine and fine you BIG BUCKS.

Originally posted by 9-Volt
the red fuel dies all the internal components of the engine (that it comes in to contact with) red as well. therefore the cops can bust you for it one time, and if they have reason to believe that you are a long time user, they will dismantle your engine and fine you BIG BUCKS.

Imagine that:

"Sir, would you step out of the vehicle! We're gonna have to dismantle the engine":eek:

Originally posted by 9-Volt
the red fuel dies all the internal components of the engine (that it comes in to contact with) red as well. therefore the cops can bust you for it one time, and if they have reason to believe that you are a long time user, they will dismantle your engine and fine you BIG BUCKS.

And since it's a private vehicle they would need probible cause to search the vehicle.

Actually no. I cut and pasted some info for you guys from the Turbo Diesel Register that I am a member of. Hope that helps.

Originally posted by LCOwner
And since it's a private vehicle they would need probible cause to search the vehicle.


............# 1 and # 2 can be run in our diesels...........# 1 is Kerosene.........thinner viscosity less prone to gelling (cold weather)........winter blend fuel uses both # 1 and # 2.
There are more cons than pros about running # 1 straight or blended........less lubricity........less performance........less economy.........more money..........
Red # 2 can be used in our trucks as well with no problems other than legal issues

............generally, you have three things to beware of if using dyed fuel. First is taking the truck in for service with dyed fuel in it. If the stealership sees it, they can make a lot of trouble for you.

Second and third both occur if you are either using the truck for commercial purposes, and/or have some reason to stop at a weigh station.....second thing is a "State" person of some sort who may want to dip your tank, which I can't speak to.

However, the third is an IRS Revenue Agent, who will dip your tank. Every State is different, but the IRS is the IRS. You stop at a weigh station for any reason, and the IRS is there, they WILL dip your tank......18 wheeler, Dodge Ram, they don't care, if they are there, they will check your tank. Refusal gets you an automatic $1000 fine. Don't pay it, they'll nail your tax return the following year. If they dip your tank, and find dyed fuel, they'll ask where it came from and if you had knowledge of it being there..... they really don't care about YOU, they are after they distributors who are making big $$$ off not paying the taxes on the fuel. If you filled up and got a dose of dye and truly didn't know it (and they believe you), they'll go back after the station. If you knew it, they'll fine you a certain amount per gallons of dyed fuel remaining in your tank.

If you are a farmer, rancher, etc etc., IRS CAN AND WILL come right on your property and dip your diesel storage tanks, and dip the tanks on any on-road diesel rigs you have to see if you are in compliance. They don't need a warrant, they don't need squat, its a civil matter. They'll tack your hide to your barn door with a huge fine up front, plus a certain amount per gallons involved.


Just give ya'll fair warning......

Several weeks ago DPS(State Troopers in Texas) showed up during shift change at a local refinery. Gave out tickets to those driving trucks w/ farm plates because they used them to drive to their primary job. Then dipped the tanks of those driving diesels and levied fines on those caught with offroad fuel. So far, the cheapest anyone has gotten off paying is $3200.00. Most of them were fined in excess of $5,000.00. They were told they could be fined(taxed) for every mile on their odometer. DPS said some of the fines could be lowered if they had kept
their receipts for fuel bought at the pump.

It sure has alot of people going to the court house to swap in their farm plates around here.

Doesn't make sence that the die could hurt the c-converter. If a truck is ran on a red fuel while driven only on the farm for lets say 10mos and then refueled to drive across state, you wouldn't be breaking any laws. I do know the stuff we had devinered was a dirtier than #2 pump fuel.

The last post from matts is damn near the only post in here with factual information. Standard #2 diesel and red #2 are IDENTICLE, with the exception of the dye. It will NOT harm the cat or motor, it will NOT dye the internals. It can color the fuel filter. It is the same friggin fuel. It is 100% legal to use it in any vehicle in off road situations and if a legal over the road vehicle used it off road and then re-fueled with std. fuel to drive on- road it would be a-ok, pending only residual red in tank prior to fuel up. The fines for using red on road are huge $$$$ per gallon in tank and capacity of tank.