serious answers only - no BS...I'll take opinions and input both positive and negative, but no BS and chit-chat.

so how many of you would seriously considerdonating $5 a week to a PBB L/U fund (through paypal or something like that)?? I would say we can take the money and split it up between BRC,UFWDA,CORVA and CAL4WDC...or something...

everyone of us can afford one less trip to taco bell a week...


comments??


all donations would be in addition to what everyone usually donates through their regular avenues - NOT instead of! We are in for the long haul to save our access- AND IT'S NOT CHEAP!!!


vote and gimme you comments....


Thanks,
PSD



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$5 a wk? not me...
but maybe tie in the high angle driveline giveaway ;)

No - I can't afford $5 a week to keep our trails open. I'm gonna spend it on beer/pizza/:smokin: instead. That way when they close down all our trails I can take my rig to the mall and flex it on the speed bumps. I'll have the most bitchin' mall poser in Southern California.
Seriously - look at what the the greenies have done in the last couple years. Two of the four off-road spots within an hour of my house have been closed. Pismo, Glamis, the Rubicon are in danger of being closed. Stoddard Valley has been mentioned as being closed as Desert Tortoise habitat in trade for the expansion of Fort Irwin. Surprise Canyon closed for no good reason. Johnson Valley :eek: has been mentioned by at least one green group for possible closure.
The Environmental "industry" is a trillion dollar business. Did you guys see all those feel good Prop 40 ads during election season? All paid for by the NRDC. Read "Undue Influence" by Ron Arnold to see how the money funnels down from the big money families like Andrus, Rockefeller, Pew, etc.
I think the problem for most of us is that our passion is 4 wheeling. Spending time writing letters, attending forest meetings and donating money can get in the way of that. On the other hand, closing down off road areas is a greenies purpose in life. It's what they do. It doesn't get in the way of anything for them.
So count me in. If you can't afford $5/week, how about $10/month? It would be very cool if Pirate4X4 members could donate $5000 each month to a cause. That sends a message. Who knows, maybe it could have a snowball effect and the Xterra board will ask it's members to have one less latte a week and try and outdo us.

i did'nt know it was o.k. to raise funds for even the best causes on the PBB.

i think it's a positive thing and a worthy cause, but not for those of us living outside U.S.A.

maybe i can also ask the PBB members to assist me to raise some money in order to enable me to bring the Frog to
compete in the 2002 TTC.

i could open a paypal account and get donations, right?

would it be o.k. PBB wise?:confused: ?:confused: ?

Pete are you trying to raise Taco Bell money? Sounds good to me, I would rather cut a check every quarter though and I don't do PayPal. :) What people have gotta realize is that yes donating to these funds cuts into your truck budget, but when they close the trails that truck is USELESS!!!!:rolleyes:

I agree, 5 bucks a week is hard to keep up with, what about a montly donation?

Pete posted this in every forum.:p

Originally posted by Sloan
Pete posted this in every forum.:p

That fawker is everywhere... :D



ok, so the $5 a week thing would be a pain in the ass, how bout monthly? basically I think we should cut the donation checks once a month, but our membership can donate at any time...I guess I just had $5 a week in my head as a guideline... so $20 a month sounds good too....anything helps, I'm not trying to "set a minimun" to donate, but I'm more trying to say that $5 a week isn't much, but it adds up... I'm open for more suggestions and opinions....



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I'd rather do $20.00 a month.

Joe

I'd be in. Weekly or monthly...

all I am sayin is if jesse is gonna GIVE away is drivelines why not ad motivation to donate. Pick the winner from those that sent money.

Originally posted by kidwired
all I am sayin is if jesse is gonna GIVE away is drivelines why not ad motivation to donate. Pick the winner from those that sent money.

he's got an idea. actually, i think that is a GREAT idea.

i donate when i can, i can try for a month pledge, but i am not sure how much I can do.

Disappearing trails = motivation

honestly all the trails i ride are privately owned. the east coast sucks its to late to keep trails open. why would i donate 5 bucks a week to keep trails open thousands of miles away from me. i have belonged to ec4wda and u4wda and guess what, niether did a damn thing for any area within hundreds of miles from us. id rather save my money and pay to go on private land such as paragon or to pay the fines ill get for tresspassing or to just buy my own property.

Why deal with $5 extra a week? Just donate your $260 lump sum in a check to BRC or the organization of your choice and be done with it.


But there is a reason the dues for these organizations are so low - and it is because people flat out don't want to give more money :(

Me - I would like to see BRC's dues go up to $100 a year across the board - but the cheap people out there would bail and there would be NO net gain...

I like the idea, but if I am gonna put money into a state 4WD assosiation it will be MN4WD....

Good idea:)

I think that it is important to help keep trails open all over the United States. As a wheeler, hunter, fisherman, gun carrier... (as I knowmany of you are too) you cant go around saying MY this and MY that.

There is a little thing called precedence.... Basically is what it means is that if a court case is won to shut down a trail in california for X reason, then a group in wherever can get a trail shut down as long as they show that their trail has X reason.

For example... erosion on creekbeds is shown to disturb the mating habits of the green backed eco fuck... Trail gets closed because of it.

Then, in Minnesota, eco group shows that there are yellow backed eco fucks in their streams and that offroaders wheel in area. The hard part has already been fought and won in court. Bam, they site a case and whammo, trail closed.

If nothing else this is a good enough reason to help out. I think that not helping out cause it is not your state is a LAME ass fuckin excuse.

Originally posted by withamc
Disappearing trails = motivation

Once a trail has "disappeared", it is very hard to get it back. Unfortunately, most people don't wake up until THEIR trail is closed down.

Crowdog
If you're not outraged. You're not paying attention!
Have you signed the Oppose more Wilderness Petition? (http://www.petitiononline.com/boxer/petition.html)

A little tidbit of information for everyone - The eco-nazi movement is a $3 billion a year business. A large percentage of that money is funneled in thru EarthShare by way of payroll contributions and corporate support.

One of the reasons for this is the fact that EarthShare (and a lot of the other eco-orgs) have secured tax exempt status which means that donations to them are deductible.

The bottom line is that if we want to be big like them we have to get like them. We need some kind of clearing house along the lines of EarthShare to receive donations and then dole them out where they're needed the most.

Originally posted by DRM
Why deal with $5 extra a week? Just donate your $260 lump sum in a check to BRC or the organization of your choice and be done with it.


But there is a reason the dues for these organizations are so low - and it is because people flat out don't want to give more money :(

Me - I would like to see BRC's dues go up to $100 a year across the board - but the cheap people out there would bail and there would be NO net gain...


David you answered you own question - People are too cheap and don't want to give large sums of money. making a $20 donation a month is a lot "easier" for someone than "cutting a $260 lump sum check"....
not my logic, just how it works for a lot of people...


I agree that the $5 a week would be a pain in the ass, I was using it as more of a reference point to say everyone can skip one trip to Taco Bell a week and help keep the trails open....

I like the idea of a "special" drawing for those that participate, but I don't think it should be necessary for us to be "bribed" (crude term, but that's kinda what it is) with a free chance win something to keep OUR trails open.....

maybe if our sponsors feel up to it, and it's ok with Lance, they can put together a private raffle of some sort with all the funds going towards BRC or UFWDA or something. I wanted this to be more of a wake up call to show everyone how easy it is to get involved and keep the trails open.... for only $5 a week....


I see you point Lame, Maybe we should concentrate on the national Orgs., like BRC and UFWDA...and not the state, since everyone is in a different state.... or maybe we can set it up so everyone can choose which orgs their money goes to??...might be kinda a long list though...maybe the national orgs is better and everyone can keep doing their respective state orgs through their normal avenues.....


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I think a buy-in for a raffle is an excellent idea. Then donate the money in the name of the vendor, might allow for tax write off. Keeping trails open benefits vendors, if all the trails in the Sierra's where closed how many of the vendors in the Sac area would close as a result?

Vendors let's hear your two cents?

1) The dues are so low for BRC because they need the numbers. More people means more representation and clout.
2) I think in this case it should be a national organization like BRC or United, since the BB is a nationwide entity.
3) I think the we should donate on a monthly basis so whoever we donate to gets a steady flow of funds.

Originally posted by jdjanda
I think a buy-in for a raffle is an excellent idea. Then donate the money in the name of the vendor, might allow for tax write off. Keeping trails open benefits vendors, if all the trails in the Sierra's where closed how many of the vendors in the Sac area would close as a result?

Vendors let's hear your two cents?

I might be able donate a T-shirt (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/T-Shirts.htm) and/or Sticker (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/stickers.htm) if it helps people break open their checkbooks to keep our trails open. I know that isn't much incentive, but I don't actually make money selling the stuff....

How about a $$$ threshold in order for prizes to be given away?

Crowdog
www.crowley-offroad.com

Originally posted by Crowdog

How about a $$$ threshold in order for prizes to be given away?

Crowdog
www.crowley-offroad.com


I Like this idea....



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