*the official* SHTF bag thread

[usmcdoc14]

This is the official SHTF bag thread (shit hitting the fan) as I only found one other thread on it with nothing really worth reading.
This is for an "emergency" bag that would require your weapon. Its the bag you grab on the way out the door with your gun in a SHTF situation.

This could be but not limited to:
Natural disasters
search and rescue situations
hostile takeovers (non-office building)
hostile takeovers (office building)
ATF raid
UFO abduction :flipoff2:

The bag usually consists of what would be needed for 2-3 days of unassisted survival gear and gear to assist with long term survival. This is not a "creature comfort" bag, this is the shit you NEED vrs the shit you would like to have.

so post up your bags, ideas, contents and any links that would help someone out.

right now I have one of these
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=249179
http://image.sportsmansguide.com/dimage/25108_ts.JPG?cell=200,200&cvt=jpeg
loaded with:
9 30round AK or FAL mags loaded
2 field stripped MREs
simple first aid kit with suture material and hemostats
replacement fire control group parts for weapon
2 quarts water
water purification tablets
"leatherman" tool
50 large black zip-ties

This is just the basic shit. I will update as I add.

[Pat98TJ]

You forgot "civil uprising".

I have one and I don't even live in LA. I don't tote water, it's everywhere. I have a bottle with a built in filter. A few first aid things, handheld gps. No food, easy to find. A rifle can acquire about anything else I'd need.

[Overbear]

ya know, I might need to toss together somethign like this. I have a LARGE kit for the house (3 hockey style totes) but nothing that is realy "grab and go" lightweight and easy to take on a moments run.

*ponders*

3 MRE striped and packed
4 clips .32auto loaded
2 speedloaders k-frame .357
4 1q water packets
K-bar
100 rounds .270 balstic tip 150grain
1 roll ducttape
1 roll electrical tape
50' climbers rope.
20 zip ties.

*edit* looking at doc's list, I should add a small field trama kit, something light but able to handle 2-3 wounded/wounds.

That should just about do it. now, question is, what kinda bag to put it in, I like the one you have Doc, but it looks bulky.

[Dieselmh]

Condoms.

If there's one thing I learned in High School, it's that you should always have condoms with you. It never fails, no matter what situation you're in, you always run the risk of "bumping into" a hottie, and condoms are a must for survival in this day and age. :flipoff2:



Actually, I would add a pocket knife to the bag. I know the leatherman has one built in, but it seems like I can either never find a knife when I really need one, or I'll do something stupid and break the blade. They're small and relatively cheap, I'd keep at least one extra in there.

[basketcasejeep]

Condoms.


Actually that's a pretty good point.

Jumbo, unlubricated condoms. Anyone want to make a guess on the intended use? :D

[Overbear]

Actually that's a pretty good point.

Jumbo, unlubricated condoms. Anyone want to make a guess on the intended use? :D

1)carry water
2)Place handgun into for water crossing
3)makeshift sterile gloves

the list goes on and on.

[Dieselmh]

Actually that's a pretty good point.

Jumbo, unlubricated condoms. Anyone want to make a guess on the intended use? :D

Smuggling coke into the US inside your Mexican poolboy's ass? :confused:

[Mustard Dog]

I have one of those bags from when I was on the Dept, keep it in my truck. For us they're called 10-33 bags:)

[Roc Doc]

I would add an AM/FM/SW radio and lithium batteries and/or a solar charger. It might be nice to know what the general state of things were in other parts of the world , as you might have to lay low. Also a cheapy cigarette lighter, and I would take a water purifier rather than tablets. Tablets are going to have a hard time making stagnant pond water drinkable. I have the Sweetwater Microfilter (http://www.msrcorp.com/filters/sweet_microfilter.asp) in my 4x4 at all times. Also a rain poncho might be good if you couldn't move to better shelter. And a lightweight spotting scope, (if not on rifle).

[basketcasejeep]

Smuggling coke into the US inside your Mexican poolboy's ass? :confused:

Overbear was right with the carry water(in a handkerchief or bandanna).

[Camarogenius]

I called it my 72 hour kit.
400 rnds 300x 7.62x51 100x .45 ACP
first aid kit
6 MRE's
clean dry socks and jersey gloves in a big ziplock bag
btl of water purification Tablets
Compass
Poncho
Wind up flash light and radio
2 canteens
blow up air mattress
Lifeboat matches
K-Bar
3 season sleeping bag
Loaded into a large ALICE pack.

[Pavemen]

Let me start with a few links

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com (lots of first-aid and survival items)
http://www.saratogatradingcompany.com (food stuffs, water, kits, etc)

I have stuff for a larger emergency if I need to travel with the wife, 2 kids (5yr and 7mo) and the cat, otherwise I am prepared to sit it out here at home. I do risk assessment for a living and in general I am in an okay location away from natural disasters and Tier 1 to Tier 3 terrorist targets.

I have a case of MREs for travel otherwise we keep our pantry stocked.

I have a large backcountry backpack with:

- A small 12"x12" bag I have a water purifier pump (not a simple filter, but a real back country purifier), 2 emergency blankets, 4 candles, matches, small knife, soap, 25ft small rope, sewing kit, chem-lights, hand and body warmers, carbiners, figure-8 decender, nylon webbing with stitched loops to make sling or climbing harness, poncho

- A 12x15 bag that has small lantern and 2 cans of gas for it, mantels, matches, tiny MSR Whisperlite stove (will burn gasoline, white gas, kerosine) , minimal cooking gear.

- A small 2 man tent that will work for all of us, at least while the kids are small.

- Camelback

- GPS

- Leatherman

- Small hunting knife in case on outside of pack, more rope in external pouches, loose inside pack are small plates, cups and cutlery.

I can easily access any of these items to take individually or the whole backpack.

I have another backpack with a '3-day individual kit' in it that work gave all of us -> http://saratogatradingcompany.com/grab_n_go_personal_72_hour_kit.html

I have a small first aid kit for on the go, otherwise I have a large kit for the home but it is portable in a backpack method or via grab handles. The big one has stuff to handle everything from bug bites, burns, splinting, sutures, cuts, scraps, and more. Eye and ear flushing solution, iodine, antiseptic, compression bandages, hemostats, stethoscope, scalpel, scissors, non-latex gloves, several packs of sutures, surgical wire, all totalling about 200 peices. I might not know how to use it all, but if I can't figure it out in a dire emergency I might be able to find someone that can and I will have the stuff for them to help (voluntarily or not).

Weapons include but may not be limited to: Springfield .45 ACP with several 10 round mags and extra ammo, S&W .357 with extra ammo, KBar knife.

I have three large Czech military surplus blankets ready to go, a large mulitple person tent sitting ready as well.

Its all setup to be scalable depending on the situation.

I am really considering stocking up on the food and water from the Saratoga Trading Company though, and if I never need it, I can start eating before it expires or donate it all to a homeless shelter and then restock.

[Travis Waldher]

I'de add (to doc's list):

compass
topo and street map of the area
small flaslight - optional red lense cover would be good too.
basic rain gear
change of socks
Rambo sized knife

I wouldn't bother with the GPS, first it requires batteries, second an EMP would take it out or potentially the satellites that support it. So you better know how to use a compass.

[Pavemen]

I have a compass and know how to use it. I doubt EMP would effect satellites though... also, dont you know that as long as the batteries are out of the GPS you can just change out the solenoid to get it to run?

[Ex CCS Racer]

I saw First Blood.... :D

http://www.mascione-knife.com/immagini/img_ebay/pesca-caccia2.jpg

http://www.usjeeps.com/members/p13-1144009749.jpg

[Mustard Dog]

I saw First Blood.... :D



A crappy chinese made knife from the swapmeet and an airsoft just isn't gonna cut it:D :D :flipoff2:

[SSGTWC]

My SHTF basic load:

Camelbak Motherload
2 field stipped MRE's
6 liters of H2O
Leatherman Wave tool
Kershaw skinning knife
Kershaw pocket knife
1000 rounds of .223 (roughly)

[Ex CCS Racer]

A crappy chinese made knife from the swapmeet and an airsoft just isn't gonna cut it:D :D :flipoff2:

I've been trying to get a few people to stand in front of my Airsoft for $100 but haven't had any takers yet. Destroying cinder blocks at 100 yards made 'em think twice :D

[Entropy]

For crying out loud… If shit hits the fan, you all are going to get shit all over all of your cool toys and accomplish nothing.

If shit hits the fan, I want:

2 (pr) Rubber Gloves (to keep the shit off my hands)
12 Rolls of Brawny Paper Towels
6 Heavy Duty Wash Clothes
1 Spray bottle filled with a 50/50 Bleach/Water solution
2 Bottles of Resolve Carpet Cleaner
1 Bissel Steam Cleaner
1 Heavy Duty Wet/Dry Vac
6 Good quality and Heavy Duty Sponges
1 5 Gallon Bucket
3 Cans of Endust Electronics Cleaner
1 Large package of Cotton Swabs
1 Can of Febreeze
1 Good sized box or oscillating fan
1 Bottle of Good Ammonia based Glass Cleaner
----

For the perpetrator of this particular crime:
1 Sobe Bottle (empty) with cap
1 bottle of good rubbing alcohol
1 large container of Vaseline

Because if someone were to be responsible for getting shit anywhere near a fan in my house, I'd shove that Sobe bottle, filled with alcohol up their ass using a little Vaseline to get it good and stuck up there as far as I could get it... then I'd kick them in the fucking ass until the son of a bitch broke, cut the inside of their asshole to hell, and dumped all that fresh alcohol for a refreshing enema.

[MattS]

I'm ready at anytime. My visa check card never leaves my pocket and it that quits I have a $100 in my wallet. :laughing:

[aloharover]

Hell, you guys are not properly prepared.
I have the laptop with a dvd player and dual bats. A hand crank generator for recharging the bats. 72 hours of porn on DVD.

[Pavemen]

I'm ready at anytime. My visa check card never leaves my pocket and it that quits I have a $100 in my wallet. :laughing:

Cash is definately something that one should have in fair abundance once the banks and telecomm/electrical infrastructure are damaged. However, if the S REALLY HTF, then cash might not be worth anything either.

[CronusTRD]

If SHTF, I'll just mooch like always.

[usmcdoc14]

I'm ready at anytime. My visa check card never leaves my pocket and it that quits I have a $100 in my wallet. :laughing:

fuck credit cards and fuck cash

ammo = cash :D

either by trading rounds or "trading rounds" :evil:

[SilverZuk]

I don't have a SHTF bag, but I have an action packer box that is my go to box. It is small enough to fit in the floor of my truck or back seat of a car.

The contents vary depending on what time of year and what activities I am doing.

There are several things that are always in the box.
First Aid kit
knife
Matches and lighter
AA mag light
Toilet Paper in a zip lock
AA and D batteries
Fork
screw driver, pliers, misc other tools
MRE
Socks
box of 9mm, 22 lr, 7.62x39, and a few 12 ga rounds

Then it varies depending on what I am doing and the weather. This is more of an outdoor survival box instead of a SHTF box. Contents change according to where I am going and what I am doing.

[YotaRedneckGirl]

[QUOTE=SSGTWC]
2 field stipped MRE's
QUOTE]

I know what MRE's are, but will somebody explain to be what "field stipped" MRE's are? :confused:

[aloharover]

I know what MRE's are, but will somebody explain to be what "field stipped" MRE's are? :confused:

Usually prior to going out on a mission you will get issued X amount of MREs depending on the length of mission.
What you do is cut all the bags open, and then remove all the meals from the card board boxes. That alone will cut the space required down by 75%.
You then make 3 piles. Small high carb items that can go into an outer pocket. Larger items that get thrown in the pack. And stuff you dont like.
Trade the stuff you dont like with your budds.
You can take an entire case of MREs and end up with a shoe boxed sized amount of food that will keep you going for 5-6 days.

[CronusTRD]

fuck credit cards and fuck cash

ammo = cash :D

either by trading rounds or "trading rounds" :evil:

Cash would work, provided you use it while it still has a value behind it.

[mudtoy67]

Here's a question about storing ammo. I've thought about setting one of these bags up for myself, but I'm not sure what to do about ammo.

Thing I'm wondering about is if I prepare one of these bags and have loaded magazines in it ready to go, after long periods of time will the springs not work properly because of being compressed for so long? Also what about corrosion? Would it be a good idea to get one of those vaccum seal machines and vaccum seal the mags in bags to keep them dry?

Or do yall just plan on rotating the mags every once in a while with fresh ones?

[Diesel Smoke]

The only things I see missing is some sort of shelter or protection from the elements. I am sure for a 2-3 day SHTF situation your vehicle would suffice, but what if you have to go out on foot? Something else you just grab on your way out the door? What if the SHTF in the middle of winter? Just a thought

[Catfish Hunter]

how about some gold or silver instead of cash...you know, in case shit really got serious and the dollar became worthless.

[Hooper]

Hmm, I don't have anything that small. Maybe I will put one together.

Problem is, with a family of 5, it takes a lot more bulk to make a grab bag...

But, I have a *box* with food in it for 72 hours... (it is actually an old military issue *cooler*... kind of hard to describe, but it is a metal case with styrofoam sandwiched in the middle, a lid that has folding handles to lock down, and independent metal *pans* inside. The pans don't touch the edges except at the top, so they kind of *float*. Each can has its own lid that clamps in place. It is about as rodent and bug proof as I could find. Basically indestructable) water filter good enough to take anthrax out, my SKR sheath knife, 5 emergency blankets, mirror, whistle, and my airsoft. No *real* weapons yet, but I will be adding a handgun this year after I get some training, and with the sharp point .177's, it will take down small game - without making a lot of noise - and since when I bail, I want to be unfound, the quiet aspect appeals to me. I also want to learn bow hunting for the same reason, but that will be another couple years. I am a good shot with a bow, but don't have the cash for good equipment... A couple of compasses, topos for the mtns in my area, small first aid kit, small shovel, fishing line, hook, lure.

It isn't small, as I said, but for a family of 5, it is about the minimum I could get by with...

OTOH, right next to my truck are the tents and sleeping bags, so they could be in the truck in under a minute as well...

[usmcdoc14]

[QUOTE=SSGTWC]
2 field stipped MRE's
QUOTE]

I know what MRE's are, but will somebody explain to be what "field stipped" MRE's are? :confused:

basicly what aloharover said but here is some other details:

you only need 1 or 2 spoons maybe, you dont need the friggen heaters if you can eat it cold, you dont need half the crap that is in there.
You would be quite surprised how much worthless shit is in an MRE bag :laughing:

Here's a question about storing ammo. I've thought about setting one of these bags up for myself, but I'm not sure what to do about ammo.

Thing I'm wondering about is if I prepare one of these bags and have loaded magazines in it ready to go, after long periods of time will the springs not work properly because of being compressed for so long? Also what about corrosion? Would it be a good idea to get one of those vaccum seal machines and vaccum seal the mags in bags to keep them dry?

Or do yall just plan on rotating the mags every once in a while with fresh ones?

I have never had a magazine spring fail and have one AK mag that has been loaded for over a year :D

[Hooper]

how about some gold or silver instead of cash...you know, in case shit really got serious and the dollar became worthless.

As was said, the ability to acquire food/provide protection will be far more valuable than gold...

[usmcdoc14]

As was said, the ability to acquire food/provide protection will be far more valuable than gold...

yup. But seeing as most people are using a SHTF bag also as an "Oh Shit" bag then yes I would recomend keeping a some cash or a credit card in there.

[rusted]

Hmm, I don't have anything that small. Maybe I will put one together.

Problem is, with a family of 5, it takes a lot more bulk to make a grab bag...

But, I have a *box* with food in it for 72 hours... (it is actually an old military issue *cooler*... kind of hard to describe, but it is a metal case with styrofoam sandwiched in the middle, a lid that has folding handles to lock down, and independent metal *pans* inside. The pans don't touch the edges except at the top, so they kind of *float*. Each can has its own lid that clamps in place. It is about as rodent and bug proof as I could find. Basically indestructable) water filter good enough to take anthrax out, my SKR sheath knife, 5 emergency blankets, mirror, whistle, and my airsoft. No *real* weapons yet, but I will be adding a handgun this year after I get some training, and with the sharp point .177's, it will take down small game - without making a lot of noise - and since when I bail, I want to be unfound, the quiet aspect appeals to me. I also want to learn bow hunting for the same reason, but that will be another couple years. I am a good shot with a bow, but don't have the cash for good equipment... A couple of compasses, topos for the mtns in my area, small first aid kit, small shovel, fishing line, hook, lure.

It isn't small, as I said, but for a family of 5, it is about the minimum I could get by with...

OTOH, right next to my truck are the tents and sleeping bags, so they could be in the truck in under a minute as well...

You shouldn't need too much cash for a decent bow setup. Older setups are not that expensive and you could pick up an old compound for pocket change if you keep an eye out. A complete tune-up with strings and adjustments will cost <$100. I hunted and still will hunt with my brother's (who was killed in a car accident) 25-yo Whitetail compound. There is just not need to have fancy equipment, in fact you don't want them IMO. All that stuff is fine for sitting up in a tree and getting ready for that ONE moment, but in a 'Red Dawn' type scenario, the last thing I want is fancy sights, and fancy releases and all that crap. Go basic IMHO. I practiced with a bow nearly every day for YEARS when I was a kid. Just tooling around, I am no archer, but I can quickly get back up to the point of pulling the bow up and releasing pretty fast, exactly what you'd need to do in survival if you were huntin on the 'edge'.

There are a lot of hunters bagging some sweet game with sophisticated setups, but there is a growing number of people doing it was basic setups now. Bigtime skillz.

[Diesel Smoke]

[QUOTE=YotaRedneckGirl]


I have never had a magazine spring fail and have one AK mag that has been loaded for over a year :D

From what I understand good quality magazines should be able to stay loaded all the time without any springs issues. I have had people load magazines and lose them, then 5-6 years later, find them and shot them without any problems. Just one more reason to buy good quality stuff.

[rusted]

[QUOTE=usmcdoc14]

From what I understand good quality magazines should be able to stay loaded all the time without any springs issues. I have had people load magazines and lose them, then 5-6 years later, find them and shot them without any problems. Just one more reason to buy good quality stuff.

I think that's true. I have a 10/22 magazine (or fucking HAD until it got stolen :mad: ) that was 20 years old, and it was loaded 99.9% of the time. You know, the circular 10 round mags from Ruger, they're kind of quirky? Well, it was as quirky and reliable on the day it was stolen as the day I got it for my 14th birthday.

[Dieselmh]

My Grandpa owned his 30-06 for years and kept it loaded under his bed. I have it now, and it still stays loaded. It's had the same mag since it was new, and has never failed or misfed. :D

It does kick a little, though! :laughing:

[Catfish Hunter]

As was said, the ability to acquire food/provide protection will be far more valuable than gold...

dont worry, my oh shit bag has a box of 00 buckshot in it :flipoff2:

[Hef]

I carry my range bag in the truck at all times, along with my .45, my 12 ga. shotgun, AR15, and 3 knives.

In my range bag:

2 extra knives
weapon cleaning gear
repair/adjustment gear & parts
extra ammo & mags
flashlight
2 sets extra batteries
poncho


I still need to get a first aid kit. Kinda slacked on that one. I have enough weapons and ammo to get what I need, and the stuff to keep my weapons operable. My long guns have slings, and my range bag has a shoulder strap, so I can grab it all and run from the truck in a matter of seconds.

I'd like to get a better system, but I'm a bit preoccupied right now.

[OakieOffroad85]

My SHTF basic load:

Camelbak Motherload
2 field stipped MRE's
6 liters of H2O
Leatherman Wave tool
Kershaw skinning knife
Kershaw pocket knife
1000 rounds of .223 (roughly)


If I had a SHTF bag this would be it without a doubt.

[Slowerthanu]

A Mag may stay reliable but I am not going to chance it, I rotate my mags on my G23C and my AR-15.

[Hef]

A Mag may stay reliable but I am not going to chance it, I rotate my mags on my G23C and my AR-15.

I use all my mags when I go shooting, and I rotate my ammo too. It's always better to have fresh ammo kept in mags that you know feed correctly.

[SSGTWC]

If I had a SHTF bag this would be it without a doubt.

I absolutely love this bag!

A few weeks ago I ordered one in this color (coyote), but they were on backorder at Botach Tatical. So I settled with OD. Then my daughter wanted one in OD, so I tried again, and this time I was in luck.

This morning I gave her the OD one for her 12th birthday.

I guess I'm a Camelbak whore :D

[Mr Roxy]

I have an old shit bag, she is in the other room. She cost alot to maintain but is faithful and cooks and cleans:flipoff2: Oh my bad, I misunderstood:p

[Roxywheels]

I have an old shit bag, she is in the other room. She cost alot to maintain but is faithful and cooks and cleans:flipoff2: Oh my bad, I misunderstood:p

I'm going to poison you. :roxy:

[ironpig70]

doc that bag ain't big enough:D first off if something goes down i'm staying in my house. if it escalates and i need to leave its with my gear in one of my vehicles and if i have to leave my car behind i'll be humping 50 pounds minimum. sorry but with a wife and 3 kids you just got to take more shit.


now if it was just me my pack would be an easy 25 pounds. yeah its heavy but i would definetly pack a damn sleeping bag and a tent. 3 days in the woods in the rain or snow yeah try it with out them. another good thing to have in your bag or on hand is money. good ole hard cash. have alot of 1's, and 5's. nothing worse then needed something and the electricity is out or its cash and carry and you have no cash.

[sceep]

LMMFAO :laughing::laughing:

[usmcdoc14]

LMMFAO :laughing::laughing:

are you also laughing that a 25lb pack is "heavy" also or something unrelated :laughing:

[ironpig70]

are you also laughing that a 25lb pack is "heavy" also or something unrelated :laughing:


okay it ain't heavy but alot more weight than your 5 pound fanny pack:flipoff2:

[Haole]

Hell, you guys are not properly prepared.
I have the laptop with a dvd player and dual bats. A hand crank generator for recharging the bats. 72 hours of porn on DVD.


Are you sure you're not a squid?

[usmcdoc14]

okay it ain't heavy but alot more weight than your 5 pound fanny pack:flipoff2:

:laughing: there is well over 5lbs of AMMO alone in that bag :flipoff2:

[Haole]

So does anyone know what sound shit makes when it hits the fan?









































Mah-reeeeeen

:flipoff2:

[Hooper]

You shouldn't need too much cash for a decent bow setup. Older setups are not that expensive and you could pick up an old compound for pocket change if you keep an eye out. A complete tune-up with strings and adjustments will cost <$100. I hunted and still will hunt with my brother's (who was killed in a car accident) 25-yo Whitetail compound. There is just not need to have fancy equipment, in fact you don't want them IMO. All that stuff is fine for sitting up in a tree and getting ready for that ONE moment, but in a 'Red Dawn' type scenario, the last thing I want is fancy sights, and fancy releases and all that crap. Go basic IMHO. I practiced with a bow nearly every day for YEARS when I was a kid. Just tooling around, I am no archer, but I can quickly get back up to the point of pulling the bow up and releasing pretty fast, exactly what you'd need to do in survival if you were huntin on the 'edge'.

There are a lot of hunters bagging some sweet game with sophisticated setups, but there is a growing number of people doing it was basic setups now. Bigtime skillz.

Hmm.

Interesting. I'll have to start poking around. All my shooting has been done at the BSA archery range. No compounds, what do they call them... recurves, right? I tied the range master two years ago in the camp archery tournament... We were shooting the recurves into a 3 inch post... but I can't remember the distance... 10 arrows... He beat me in the runoff.. He said I had a good release, which, evidently, is where most folks screw up...?

[ironpig70]

:laughing: there is well over 5lbs of AMMO alone in that bag :flipoff2:



i'll take food and porn over ammo:D actually i'd rather stay put. my next house is really designed/built for long term survival:D has a garden, orchard, plenty of storage and best of all lots of trees that can be burned in the fireplace:D

[sceep]

are you also laughing that a 25lb pack is "heavy" also or something unrelated :laughing:
did you miss roxy and roberts replys up there??

[ironpig70]

did you miss roxy and roberts replys up there??


shit has hit the fan in texas:laughing:

[fledgling666]

oh, c'mon, the ground shakes a little and then it's over like it never happened, of course, i'm like 200 miles away...:flipoff2:

[Roc Doc]

I'm going to poison you. :roxy:

That reminds me of one of my favorite historical quotes;

“Lady Nancy Astor: Winston, if you were my husband, I'd poison your tea.
Churchill: Nancy, if I were your husband, I'd drink it.”

[indulf]

awesome thread. i need to put together a SHTF bag.

my contribution to the suggested contents:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/754d/

or

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/7f02/

(even though the knife looks crappy)

some more stuff i will add:

http://www.deet.com/

http://www.fatiguesarmynavy.com/store/item/MS3614

12ga shotgun shells

self powered flashlight

baby supplies - a few disp. diapers, 2 or 3 cloth diapers, powdered formula, vaseline, diaper rash cream, a couple of onesies, a couple of blankets. this is because we have a baby :)

good thread.

[gp_frk]

http://www.equipped.org/

http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showforum.php?fid/11/

http://www.survival.com/forum.htm

http://www.edcforums.com/

There are a few forums I frequent besides this one. I'm pretty sure i've seen ToddW on a few of them.

http://www.alssadventures.com/Book%20pages/book2.htm
That book is supposed to be the shit as far as preparedness(its on my wish list right now)

I have about 50 different pages in my favorites of stuff pertaining to this doc PM me if you want more.

/me tightens his tin foil hat straps :flipoff2:

[Malltero]

Where are the radiation pills? :flipoff2:

[basketcasejeep]

http://www.alssadventures.com/Book%20pages/book2.htm
That book is supposed to be the shit as far as preparedness(its on my wish list right now)

That's a pretty decent book. I have it in my truck, will get it in a few and post his 'survival kit list'. :D

(keep in mind these lists are for 'survival', not SHTF scenarios, but mix and match what you will depending on your use... and whether you want to be found. ;) )
OK, here's the "Must-Have Concepts for a Short Term Survival Kit"
-Adequate means to regulate body temperature for your environment(clothing).
-Adequate means to create potable water to regulate body temperature for your environment.
-Multiple, effective means for signaling for rescue.
-A "Party On" attitude.
-A cutting edge.
-Methods to create and sustain fire.
-Cordage(string or rope)
-The determined willingness and know-how to use what you have to its fullest potential.


Survival Kit Components in Cody Lundin's Kit:
-two heavy duty freezer bags.
-tincture of iodine 2%.
-One condom- non lubricated
-Regular space blanket
- one roll of dental floss
-colored surveyers tape
-pea less, brightly colored plastic whistle
-paraffin coated strike anywhere kitchen matches in a brightly colored match safe
-disposable butane lighter
-magnesium block fire starter with hacksaw blade striker
-6-8 cotton balls saturated with petroleum jelly in a brightly colored film vial
-credit card sized magnifying lens in a brightly colored sheath.
-flashlight and lanyard with two AA batteries
-two spare AA batteries with date of purchase
-extra carbon steel knife with sheath
-clear plastic drinking tube
-collapsible 1 to 2 gallon water container
-two 55 gallon barrel liners or three large capacity leaf bags
-heavy duty space blanket
-wool or synthetic stocking cap
-cotton bandana
-100' of 550 lb test parachute cord
-3x5 glass sightable mirror with brightly colored, ducttape reinforced pouch
-homemade first aid kit
-uncle peppys patented power pack stack
-7.5 minute topo map and compass
-two candy or nutrition bars.

Of course, the book tells a lot more in detail, that sums it up. ;)

[qwiksilver]

Lessons learned living on the streets:

People who have places to live tend to carry too much stuff.

A big puffy coat and a couple of garbage bags equals a sleeping bag and tent.

Wrist rocket works to bring down food and discourage other bums.

If you can't put it in your pockets you'll lose it anyway.

You would be surprised where you can find food.

Sleep during the day; travel at night.

A Leatherman tool is worth it's weight in gold.

Camoflage and concealment works better than a gun, is free and you never run out of it.

Look poorer than the next guy. Having stuff just leads to being mugged by guys bigger, badder and better armed than you.

Stay away from crowds but never be alone with anyone.

The only thing I would add in today's world is my Extreem water purification bottle. I think everyone should have a backpacker's purification system in their house no matter where they live. The earth is a dynamic planet and natural disasters happen everywhere.

[usmcdoc14]

Where are the radiation pills? :flipoff2:

right here :D
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/594665/2/istockphoto_594665_three_rounds_of_9.jpg

take 2 as needed :flipoff2:

[Priest]

All you fawkers (beside SilverZuk) are missing TP. If the chit does hit the fan you had better be prepared to clean it up.

[SSGTWC]

right here :D
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/594665/2/istockphoto_594665_three_rounds_of_9.jpg

take 2 as needed :flipoff2:

ahh yes.....flying ashtrays! :flipoff2:

[hoohaa]

I've been meaning to put together a shtf bag for a while now, I need to do it. In a stfh situation I would toss the following things in my backpack:

canned foods to last four days (soups, ravioli, etc)
9mm
AK-47
100 rds 9mm
200 rds 7.62
matches
folding knife
spork
ziplock bags
trash bags
container to hold water
sw radio

[kwrangln]

Yall have got to be fawkin kiddin me. SHTF bags? Yea right.

Of all you well prepared people, how many actually carry all that crap with you wherever you go? Most people spend what, 25-30% of their day at home at the most, so what do you have for the rest of the time? Sorry, but carrying around 300-1000 rnds, fire arms, and survival gear just is not practical for normal everyday living.

Exactly what kind of SHTF events are you thinking this stuff will be usefull for? Red Dawn? Get real. Take off the tinfoil hats and relax.

Bunch of paranoid fawkers round here.

[ironpig70]

dude hoohaa can food weighs a ton:D and kwrangln if another new orleans happens this could be useful.

[usmcdoc14]

Yall have got to be fawkin kiddin me. SHTF bags? Yea right.

Of all you well prepared people, how many actually carry all that crap with you wherever you go? Most people spend what, 25-30% of their day at home at the most, so what do you have for the rest of the time? Sorry, but carrying around 300-1000 rnds, fire arms, and survival gear just is not practical for normal everyday living.

Exactly what kind of SHTF events are you thinking this stuff will be usefull for? Red Dawn? Get real. Take off the tinfoil hats and relax.

Bunch of paranoid fawkers round here.

it sits next to the gun locker on the floor.

if your job is law enforcement or you spend a large amount of time away from civilization with your job then it would probably be in your vehicle.

The "exact" shit hitting the fan scenarios that would apply (in reality):
Flooding, tornado, earthquake, hurricane, riots and blizzards.

I am not paranoid I am FUCKING PREPARED !! how many fucking guns were destroyed in Katrina ? how many places robbed in L.A. ? How many people needed first aid in Loma Linda (sp) ? How many people without potable water in New Hampshire ? How far do you live from a supermarket ? How far away from help are you when you go camping ?

I can not "practically" carry all this shit but I do carry the one item that I can: a knife.

I also have a MORE THAN complete 1st aid kit in all my vehicles. and if I could carry ammo and a gun every day I WOULD.

paranoid fuckers dont have SHTF bags, they have bunkers :laughing: seriously. They don't plan on having to "go" for ANY reason at all. They worry about the ATF and big gobment. I worry about looters and dumb mother fuckers in large groups, I worry about the panic that sets in with the people who DO NOT have the shit that I do.

So when the time comes and you have to run, or the time comes and motherfuckers want the shit inside your mom's house, or the time comes and you need to gather up all the gear scattered in your garage that you will need to be safe..

are you prepared?
or are you a statistic? :rolleyes:

[Roxywheels]

All you fawkers (beside SilverZuk) are missing TP. If the chit does hit the fan you had better be prepared to clean it up.

MRE's have toilet paper :D :roxy:

[usmcdoc14]

MRE's have toilet paper :D :roxy:

yup.

it sucks but is compact :laughing:

[Hef]

Yall have got to be fawkin kiddin me. SHTF bags? Yea right.

Of all you well prepared people, how many actually carry all that crap with you wherever you go? Most people spend what, 25-30% of their day at home at the most, so what do you have for the rest of the time? Sorry, but carrying around 300-1000 rnds, fire arms, and survival gear just is not practical for normal everyday living.

Exactly what kind of SHTF events are you thinking this stuff will be usefull for? Red Dawn? Get real. Take off the tinfoil hats and relax.

Bunch of paranoid fawkers round here.

I actually do carry my stuff all the damn time. GF thinks I'm a little nutty.

[hoohaa]

Yall have got to be fawkin kiddin me. SHTF bags? Yea right.

Of all you well prepared people, how many actually carry all that crap with you wherever you go? Most people spend what, 25-30% of their day at home at the most, so what do you have for the rest of the time? Sorry, but carrying around 300-1000 rnds, fire arms, and survival gear just is not practical for normal everyday living.

Exactly what kind of SHTF events are you thinking this stuff will be usefull for? Red Dawn? Get real. Take off the tinfoil hats and relax.

Bunch of paranoid fawkers round here.

Try New Orleans after Katrina. :shaking:

[hoohaa]

paranoid fuckers dont have SHTF bags, they have bunkers :laughing: seriously. They don't plan on having to "go" for ANY reason at all. They worry about the ATF and big gobment. I worry about looters and dumb mother fuckers in large groups, I worry about the panic that sets in with the people who DO NOT have the shit that I do.

x2. And when it comes time for me to build a house it will have a freaking bunker. Hopefully a small tunnel system as well.

[ironpig70]

x2. And when it comes time for me to build a house it will have a freaking bunker. Hopefully a small tunnel system as well.


now thats paranoid. i just want a home that is self sufficent if all systems fail(ie water/phones/power) and have enough food on hand to ride it out for a month.

[hoohaa]

lol, if I had the money, the house would be completely underground except for the front entrance, which would be concrete. Nothing to set on fire, no way to break in (without heavy equipment/explosives), not much to see from the outside.

For me it's not all about preparing for the end of the world though, I just think it would be tight to have a bunker system. Great conversation piece, ya know?

[saminwy]

bottle of 12 year old scotch and a 24 pack of rubbers. i'll go places with a hard-on that most people wont go with a mechanized infantry batallion. :flipoff2

the jeep is always loaded with enough stuff for at least 4 days as far as food, water, first aid gear, etc. theres also usually at least 100 rds of .243, and 100 or so 9mm in the console. so pretty much grab weapons and maybe more ammo(5 loaded mags with the s&w 9mm, and a total of 14 in and on the .243, minimum) and i'm good to go for a while.

[urjb]

I call mine my "one minute bag". If ya gotta be 100% gone in less than one minute...this is what I grab....my wife thought I was a whack job when she found it.

Contents include:
92FS with extra mags
Misc ammo for just about anything one might "find"
Knife, compass, para cord
Keys...I keep any key I come across...got 100's of 'em, may come in handy
waterproof fuse
incendiary and improvised devices, survival, escape and evasion manuals
flashlight, survival blanket, gloves, wool socks.
First aid kit



Heavy load...got it in a pack frame in case I'm on foot.

Jen's idea: add family photos in case of separation.

Then there's the 2 minute bag...includes food and larger weapons

Eric

[Haole]

now thats paranoid. i just want a home that is self sufficent if all systems fail(ie water/phones/power) and have enough food on hand to ride it out for a month.


No paranoid would be having a few underground machine gun emplacements along with that tunnel system. And a pair of gurkas patrolling the property.

[Pavemen]

Yall have got to be fawkin kiddin me. SHTF bags? Yea right.

Of all you well prepared people, how many actually carry all that crap with you wherever you go? Most people spend what, 25-30% of their day at home at the most, so what do you have for the rest of the time? Sorry, but carrying around 300-1000 rnds, fire arms, and survival gear just is not practical for normal everyday living.

Exactly what kind of SHTF events are you thinking this stuff will be usefull for? Red Dawn? Get real. Take off the tinfoil hats and relax.

Bunch of paranoid fawkers round here.

For someone in 'Central Jersey' and thus next door to one of the biggest terrorist targets in the nation combined with the potential for a large devastating hurricane nearby, you should be more prepared.

CBRN weapons used in NYC could impact you. There are several nuclear power stations in your area that could be compromised (terrorist or not). Large storm, be it a hurricane, winter freeze, flood, etc., can cause large scale panic and resource shortages.

If something happens nearby and effects you, are you going to be one of 'those folks' btching that the government didnt do enough to help you and that you deserve monetary help, evacuation help, protection, shelter and food? Or are you going to be someone that is prepared to take care of you and your family and not require the aid of someone else?

[Todd W]

I've got a nice maxpedition pack loaded with fun stuff :)

It's not only my SHTF bag but it's my camping emergency pack too, so it's a lil-bloated for SHTF but it has everything in it to survive. I have mini SHTF stuff in each vehicle too, people say i'm overly prepared... but if for some reason were stuck on the trail, snowed in, flooded in, etc I know I'll be comfy with 1 backpack for atleast a week.

Like I said the bag is bloated and some stuff is redundant. It has modular shit on it to be taken off for SHTF or long-distance traveling (it's HEAVY! But I have gone on jogs/hikes with it to know the weight).

Overall Pack Look:
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/normal_backside-pack.jpg

Left Side
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/normal_left-pack.jpg

Left Side Contents
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/normal_left-pack-contents-shov.jpg

Right Side
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/normal_right-pack.jpg

Right Side Contents
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/normal_right-pack-contents.jpg
(Hey Doc, what do you think of Quik Clot? I've heard a lot of good and some bad about this type of thing.)

Main Pouch Contents:
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/normal_main-pouch-contents.jpg
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/normal_main-puch-cont2.jpg

Main Pouch Pot/Cup Contents (stove & spork & replacement stuff for stove)
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/main-pouch-stove.jpg

Main Sub-Pouch
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/main-subpouch.jpg

Main Sub-Pouch Contents
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/normal_main-sub-contents.jpg

[Todd W]

More.....


Tiny Front Pouch
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/mini-front.jpg

Tiny Front Puch Contents
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/mini-front-contents.jpg

Secondary Pouch Contents
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/normal_secondary-contents.jpg

Secondary Pouch Cup Contents
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/normal_secondary-cup.jpg

Secondary Sub-Pouch
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/secondary-sub.jpg

Secondary Sub-Pouch Contents
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/seconadry-sub-contents.jpg

First Aid Kit Modular
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/med-puch.jpg

First Aid Kit Modular Contents
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/med-pouchcontents.jpg


Like I said, redundancy, and luxurious items for camping "emergencys". I have a smaller maxpedition camelbak that with a variety of comp. from this pack could make a GREAT mobil pack. Guns/ammo are stored in each vehicle (not the guns) but they are grabbable on the go.

And yes all those medical supplys fit in that tiny pack!

And to the guy who said most ppl are only home 25% or something of the time... I work from home! So I'm home about 85% of the time... the rest im either within walking distance to the pack or I take it with me.


If you've made it this far you may want larger pics: http://www.4x4shots.com/thumbnails.php?album=110


Hehhe :)

[DMG]

Lessons learned living on the streets:

People who have places to live tend to carry too much stuff.

A big puffy coat and a couple of garbage bags equals a sleeping bag and tent.

Wrist rocket works to bring down food and discourage other bums.

If you can't put it in your pockets you'll lose it anyway.

You would be surprised where you can find food.

Sleep during the day; travel at night.

A Leatherman tool is worth it's weight in gold.

Camoflage and concealment works better than a gun, is free and you never run out of it.

Look poorer than the next guy. Having stuff just leads to being mugged by guys bigger, badder and better armed than you.

Stay away from crowds but never be alone with anyone.

The only thing I would add in today's world is my Extreem water purification bottle. I think everyone should have a backpacker's purification system in their house no matter where they live. The earth is a dynamic planet and natural disasters happen everywhere.


Based on this and other posts, you must have had an interesting life.

[kwrangln]

and kwrangln if another new orleans happens this could be useful.

Only if your stupid enough to ignore the evacuation order.

are you prepared?
or are you a statistic? :rolleyes:

Probably more prepared than most who have already packed their SHTF bags, since I have enough common sense and experience in dealing with SHTF events to know what to do.

Try New Orleans after Katrina. :shaking:

I did, 2 trips so far for relief efforts. Did you try it?

For someone in 'Central Jersey' and thus next door to one of the biggest terrorist targets in the nation combined with the potential for a large devastating hurricane nearby, you should be more prepared.

CBRN weapons used in NYC could impact you. There are several nuclear power stations in your area that could be compromised (terrorist or not). Large storm, be it a hurricane, winter freeze, flood, etc., can cause large scale panic and resource shortages.

If something happens nearby and effects you, are you going to be one of 'those folks' btching that the government didnt do enough to help you and that you deserve monetary help, evacuation help, protection, shelter and food? Or are you going to be someone that is prepared to take care of you and your family and not require the aid of someone else?


OH NO, a terrorist attack in NYC!, already happened, was there the next day and spent a month. CBRNE? Already happened, responded to that as well, anthrax tastes like chicken.:flipoff2:

Since I've been part of a national response team for the last 6 years I've responded to more SHTF events than 99.9% of the population will ever see within 100 miles of their home. For that other .1%, they should move cause their neighborhoods must be bad mojo. Of all those responses to hurricanes, floods, terrorist attacks, chemical plant explosions and fires, etc, I have carried a gun exactly 0 times.

How about some common sense application here, instead of worrying about how much ammo you have, how about getting all your important papers in one easy to carry file to grab when you evacuate. Instead of field stripping MRE's, how about having an evacuation plan so you aren't a statistic stuck in traffic with an out of gas or broke down vehicle. Instead of packing survival blankets, how about identifying a hotel inland and making sure you know the number to it and have a stash of cash to pay for the room.

Get fawkin real people, a civilian carrying an asault rifle in a crisis situation is a target to the law enforcement personnel doing their jobs.

[DMG]

I have a B.O.B. in my truck with clothes, an axe, water, extra ammo for my CCW, $00, first aid kit, LED headlamp, rope, compass, etc.

I am putting together something bigger for home. Where is the best, cheapest place to buy MREs?

[mepr]

Im a boyscout so i only need 5 things...
My Zippo
My 1911
My CRKT M-60
My Victorinox Multi Tool
box of .45ACP
:flipoff2:
Seriously though, when I worked as a backcountry ranger for the forest service i would go for weeks carrying less stuff than some of you are saying is for a few days...
EDIT: Shit i forgot about the Guinness! I hope Arthur will forgive me...

[basketcasejeep]

More.....


Secondary Pouch Contents
http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/shtf/normal_secondary-contents.jpg
Like I said, redundancy, and luxurious items for camping "emergencys". I have a smaller maxpedition camelbak that with a variety of comp. from this pack could make a GREAT mobil pack. Guns/ammo are stored in each vehicle (not the guns) but they are grabbable on the go.

And yes all those medical supplys fit in that tiny pack!

And to the guy who said most ppl are only home 25% or something of the time... I work from home! So I'm home about 85% of the time... the rest im either within walking distance to the pack or I take it with me.


If you've made it this far you may want larger pics: http://www.4x4shots.com/thumbnails.php?album=110


Hehhe :)

Nice kit! A little heavy looking, but if it works for you.... ;)

OH, is that a little tin of bag balm in the above pic? :laughing: What for? :confused:

edit: And what kind of knife is that? nice...

[usmcdoc14]

Get fawkin real people, a civilian carrying an asault rifle in a crisis situation is a target to the law enforcement personnel doing their jobs.

and a civilian not carrying one is a target to criminals.

You choose what one you want to be, doesnt bother me either way.





So if you would like to ADD something to this thread with your vast knowledge of EMS and emergency preparedness please do so. If you would like to list what is in your trauma bag in your POV then do so.



Now if you want to keep preaching your holier than thou "I gots skilzz" ,"you all are a bunch of nut-jobs" bullshit, then why don't you do it in another thread :rolleyes:

[Ex CCS Racer]

Get fawkin real people, a civilian carrying an asault rifle in a crisis situation is a target to the law enforcement personnel doing their jobs.

Ya mean the ones that actually stay and do their jobs? Remember NO and the officers that bailed?:flipoff2:

Oh, and I'll share my food with you when the looters, rapers, and pillagers take your's. Then you can thank my assault rifle.:smokin:

[Pavemen]

OH NO, a terrorist attack in NYC!, already happened, was there the next day and spent a month. CBRNE? Already happened, responded to that as well, anthrax tastes like chicken.:flipoff2:

Since I've been part of a national response team for the last 6 years I've responded to more SHTF events than 99.9% of the population will ever see within 100 miles of their home. For that other .1%, they should move cause their neighborhoods must be bad mojo. Of all those responses to hurricanes, floods, terrorist attacks, chemical plant explosions and fires, etc, I have carried a gun exactly 0 times.

How about some common sense application here, instead of worrying about how much ammo you have, how about getting all your important papers in one easy to carry file to grab when you evacuate. Instead of field stripping MRE's, how about having an evacuation plan so you aren't a statistic stuck in traffic with an out of gas or broke down vehicle. Instead of packing survival blankets, how about identifying a hotel inland and making sure you know the number to it and have a stash of cash to pay for the room.

Get fawkin real people, a civilian carrying an asault rifle in a crisis situation is a target to the law enforcement personnel doing their jobs.

Then you should know the impact of a nuclear power plant have some sort of meltdown or other catastrophe where there is a release and how far it can travel, even with 'average winds'

You should also know about the impact of an arial or above ground dirty bomb or chemical attack.

You should also know that a large event nearby that does not directly effect you can pull resources from from your area as aid is rendered to the impacted area. Law enforcement and other emergency personnel are not going to be around, cetrain supplies are not going to be available immediately as they are aquired for aid or stockpiled by fearful residents not effected but feeling that the could be.

Like I said before, I do risk management for a living. I have built models of terrorist attacks (plane into building, CBRN, nuclear power plant, 1-ton to 1000-ton truck bomb, anthrax/sarin, conflagration attack, etc). Using game theory, we regularly assess the potential of each type of attack, the location of the attack, estimate the financial and human losses, a groups capability of pulling off each type of attack and things like that.

I don't work only on terrorism, but natural disasters and other catastrophes that could impact you.

While I admit that the probability of amny events that impact you are very small, the potential is still there and it does not take much to get prepared, even if it is a slow build-up of supplies over time.

[Overbear]

Speeking of, does anyone have a resorce for picking up military grade trama/field med kits? ive searched around and can't find one that seems well set up, or rugged enough.


*edit* example, the M3 bag.

[gp_frk]

I carry two of these everywhere I go.
http://www.countycomm.com/organizsmall11.jpg
Inside one is a small first aid kit with everything from bandaids and burn gel to butterlfly closures and tylenol. It also has a small pair or scissors and a pair of sliver grippers are on order for it. Pocket two houses another kit which includes about 30 feet of snare wire, a ferro rod, tinder, 50 feet of 30lb test, 50 feet of dental floss, various small fishing hooks/weights, about 20 feet of med tape and a razor blade.

The "pen" holder house a bic lighter, a mag solataire, a small pocket knife a collapsable pen and a 1/4" bit driver (bits and a 1/4" wrench ride in the mesh front pocket) I have about 10 foot of hemp rope inside (for backup tinder) as well as a tube of carmex balm(also its petro based and makes a fire burn longer if need be).

The lanyard on the zipper has a whistle from ITW nexxus on it and the flag has a small sewing kit w/ some heavy duty wax twine under it and a few toothpicks (you can never have too many tooth picks).

The second one is being set up as a Palm case w/ SD cards and shit the lanyard pull on it has about 30 foot of paracard I braided. I'm just starting with it so theres not much too it yet.

I also carry two Inova micro lights on my key chain.

In all I have at least 2 knives on me at all times and at least 3 lights.

My day pack is just a jansport (its office/sheeple friendly)
It has another knife,a leatherman, a complete small tool kit (1/4" drive sockets/ratchet/pliers/drivers and shit all in a zipper pouch) It also has a redundant set of what I listed in the first pocket organizer. Another pouch with foodstuff, a complete roll of TP w/ the core removed and flattend in a ziplock, some clear 50 gallon drum liners and stuff in it, a few more bics and such.

This pack goes with me everywhere. It rides in whichever vehicle I'm in and sit under my desk at work (It also carries my laptop).

The pocket organizers go with me everywhere.

Oh in my wallet I carry an extra 10 some 1's and some misc change.
Three old craftmans club cards (1 has duct tape wrapped around it, 1 has electrical tape around it, and the other has 10lb test fishing line wrapped around it) have a few more bandaids in there and 4 large safety pins.


My palm has a complete set of first aid instructions. Some orientering shit and about 3 complete bushcraft books on it I read thru when i'm in the "thinking room".

I also keep a set of winter/summer clothes in the truck a few more mag lites a larger first aid kit and a plastic rubber maid box with ramen noodles/jerky/bottled water/a tarp and a poncho.

Am I paranoid? Nope but I live in fawkin Houston and I know what a hurricane or recently a good strong rain can do. I work in an office 5 days a week (very few windows) and I work part time at a retail store (no windows). Both of these locations are 20 miles from home and there is 2 direct routes to said house (if they are blocked and I can't get gas) I'm hookin it. I wear hiking boots every day no matter what.


Oh and Kwangln if I pass you on my way home for some odd reason you can have the ozarka bottle that got converted to "piss bottle" you'll drink it if you get thirsty enough.:flipoff2:

[Pavemen]

Speeking of, does anyone have a resorce for picking up military grade trama/field med kits? ive searched around and can't find one that seems well set up, or rugged enough.


*edit* example, the M3 bag.

There is a decent list of URLs in this thread already. Couldn't find one on any of those?

what about this one -> http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MHR315-46722-1394.html

[hoohaa]

No paranoid would be having a few underground machine gun emplacements along with that tunnel system. And a pair of gurkas patrolling the property.


hahah I forgot about the ghurkas! Gotta have a couple ghurkas thrown in there too.

[Roc Doc]

Keys...I keep any key I come across...got 100's of 'em, may come in handy
Eric

A proper pick set and the skilz to use it would be a better choice. Do you know how many thousands of key types there are? Me neither, but it's a bunch!

[qwiksilver]

Yall have got to be fawkin kiddin me. SHTF bags? Yea right.

Of all you well prepared people, how many actually carry all that crap with you wherever you go? Most people spend what, 25-30% of their day at home at the most, so what do you have for the rest of the time? Sorry, but carrying around 300-1000 rnds, fire arms, and survival gear just is not practical for normal everyday living.

Exactly what kind of SHTF events are you thinking this stuff will be usefull for? Red Dawn? Get real. Take off the tinfoil hats and relax.

Bunch of paranoid fawkers round here.

I carry mine around all the time. It's called street smarts from living as a homeless person before joining the military. I posted some homeless wisdom earlier in this thread.

Guys...most of what you all say you're gonna carry will get dumped or stolen from you real quick. You are not going to carry all that food and ammo around. It will just slow you down. I have a .357 mag and a 1.5 pound kukhri...but I don't consider them survival gear...well, maybe the kuk.

Something I learned in the Northridge quake was that you might not be able to get to your survival gear. If it is in a closet the doors could be jammed shut. Or the building so unstable you must get out without your stuff. If you live in a flood area you are not going to be able to carry all that against a current. Riot? Trust me...you'll be making a run for it. I have been in two riots and there is very little time to grab a single gun and enough ammo to cover what amounts to a small army coming your way. Hurricane. You had plenty of warning...get your butt out of the way.

The best way to prepare for poo hitting the fan?

EXTREME BACKPACKING (a follow up course would be homeless street living)

I have a friend who goes out backpacking with a shoulder bag, a kilt, sandals, an old fashioned Bible/David and Goliath style sling, a kukhri, some twine, a hat and a purification bottle (he got giardia once...that made him get that bottle). That's it. He's learned to be comfortable with nothing. He taught me to backpack on less than 20 pounds total.

The best survival item you carry is with you 24/7...it's called a brain.

Note on food:

MREs are a pain in the ass. They are heavy. Mountain House and others make really good dehydrated food that weighs a hell of a lot less and tastes better. Many of them are now coming in comressed form so you don't have to unpackage them before the trip for space. Their packages also double as a cook pot to prepare the food in.

Note on cookers:

You will need some sort of pocket cooker to boil or broil. I would opt to leave my Primus pocket stove at home. It needs canisters of fuel. I have a little $10 thing I got from Sportsmans Guide that uses whatever is at your feet for fuel: twigs, grass, broken up sticks. It's a bit heavier, but it folds down to 6"x4"x1/2" but can hold my 7" cast iron skillit...not that I would take that heavy thing. A stainless steel measuring cup that holds two cups of water is all you need to boil the water to reconstitute your dehydrated food. It makes a good cup for tea too. (ps...manzanita bark is good tea)


If you are going to make one of those emergency bags...weigh everything...guns and ammo included if you are thinking of taking them...I mean everything down to coat and underwear and compass...if it's over 20 pounds on your body...you are too heavy. And I am being generous with the 20 pounds.

BTW...what about the wife and kids? How much will they carry? The kids should not have over 10 pounds and the wife definately under 20. Remember: none of you are in the greatest shape and carrying too much weight without conditioning is not a good idea. I got out of shape, went backpacking, my 20 pound load shifted and bam! My back has not been the same since.

[Pavemen]

All that is great info if you are alone or with other adults. Add a 5 year old and a 7 month old and you need more, at least if there is a chance to get back to some normal civilized life after the event.

[basketcasejeep]

A proper pick set and the skilz to use it would be a better choice. Do you know how many thousands of key types there are? Me neither, but it's a bunch!

I have a few dozen keys I've collected over the years, and there have been a few times I've made my way into friends cars/toolboxes/etc. with them. :D I would prefer a decent lockpick set though...

Edit: Qwiksilver, you ever cook rice in a ziplock bag? Boil water, pour in over rice in a freezer bag, let cook a little while. :D

[ironpig70]

heres some sites to find gear some is military/ems style stuff and other is just more or less camping stuff.

http://www.galls.com/

http://www.uscavalry.com/

http://www.rescue3.com/

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/

http://www.cabelas.com/home.jsp;jsessionid=G3CGBUTWZU4BDTQSNOLSCNOOCJVYQI WE?_requestid=26645

http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StoreCatalogDisplay?storeId=226&catalogId=40000000226&langId=-1

http://www.gijoes.com/home/index.jsp

[Todd W]

Nice kit! A little heavy looking, but if it works for you.... ;)

OH, is that a little tin of bag balm in the above pic? :laughing: What for? :confused:

edit: And what kind of knife is that? nice...


Ya lol :laughing:

Two knives pictured I believe.. well 3 but you can tell what a swiss army looks like. One is a CRK and the other is a Ontario. (note: CRK not CRKT)

[makeupqueEn]

If the SHTF I hope I am dead.

Just give up already. :flipoff2:

[qwiksilver]

All that is great info if you are alone or with other adults. Add a 5 year old and a 7 month old and you need more, at least if there is a chance to get back to some normal civilized life after the event.

Kids...not more than a pound a year in gear. They can carry the dehydrated food or something.

Under a year? Remember: moms dealt with hauling children over the Bering Landbridge 10,000 years ago with no problems and nomads still haul children around with little fuss. What does your baby need and what do you want them to have?

There are families that backpack with babies. Check with them on how they cope.

Now if civilization goes Kablewy...I'm going to put together a nomad society that will resemble the current desert nomads and based on sheep and wool products. People with skills and animal husbandry knowledge welcome. Hard work will be expected.

[ironpig70]

Kids...not more than a pound a year in gear. They can carry the dehydrated food or something.

Under a year? Remember: moms dealt with hauling children over the Bering Landbridge 10,000 years ago with no problems and nomads still haul children around with little fuss. What does your baby need and what do you want them to have?

There are families that backpack with babies. Check with them on how they cope.


you ever watch going tribal???? saw one not a day or two ago and they where in africa. anyhow the kids some looked like they where 5-6 years old had to go get water. it was a mile each way to the water hole and they did this 3 times a day. the smaller kids carried what looked like 1 gallon cans while the older kids(10-12 year olds) looked like they carried a couple 2 1/2 gallon cans. think america is about the last country left where kids don't work like this.

[Pavemen]

you ever watch going tribal???? saw one not a day or two ago and they where in africa. anyhow the kids some looked like they where 5-6 years old had to go get water. it was a mile each way to the water hole and they did this 3 times a day. the smaller kids carried what looked like 1 gallon cans while the older kids(10-12 year olds) looked like they carried a couple 2 1/2 gallon cans. think america is about the last country left where kids don't work like this.

and it will be extra difficult to get my 5 year old to go fetch water and be able to survive on her own during that trek since she didnt grow up having to deal with it. I am sure she could adapt to it, but it will be very difficult to get her to be like an african kid growing up in the jungles of the congo

[ironpig70]

and it will be extra difficult to get my 5 year old to go fetch water and be able to survive on her own during that trek since she didnt grow up having to deal with it. I am sure she could adapt to it, but it will be very difficult to get her to be like an african kid growing up in the jungles of the congo


go to homo depot and buy a couple bricks, load them into her back pack and make her walk to school:D then will get her in shape:D

[Dieselmh]

I'm going to poison you. :roxy:

Let me know when you do, and we'll turn his rock crawler into a mud truck! :laughing:

[Pavemen]

go to homo depot and buy a couple bricks, load them into her back pack and make her walk to school:D then will get her in shape:D

if i made her walk to school and she survived, then I wouldn't be worrying about her at all. however, on her trip to school, it would be almost 2 miles and for most of it she'd be going through a not so nice part of town.

[Dieselmh]

Has anyone mentioned those little "shake to charge" flashlights? They seem to work pretty good. At least you don't have to worry about batteries.

[qwiksilver]

and it will be extra difficult to get my 5 year old to go fetch water and be able to survive on her own during that trek since she didnt grow up having to deal with it. I am sure she could adapt to it, but it will be very difficult to get her to be like an african kid growing up in the jungles of the congo

You would be amazed how fast kids adapt to a rough life and actually like it.

There was a show called Frontier House. After initial grumbling about cold, hard, don't want to, whine, I'm hungry...the kids actually did better than the adults. And they missed it when they got back to civilization.

Kids are not as hidebound as an adult. After the initial fuss, they get over it and get ta steppin'.

[smokeeater]

Speeking of, does anyone have a resorce for picking up military grade trama/field med kits? ive searched around and can't find one that seems well set up, or rugged enough.


*edit* example, the M3 bag.
They're all over...here's one place (http://www.afmo.com/product_page.asp?pid=1439).

[smokeeater]

OK, here' sanother scenario: what if your on business travel and can't take all of this gear? What should you take?

[Overbear]

They're all over...here's one place (http://www.afmo.com/product_page.asp?pid=1439).


See thats the problem Thats not a true M3 bag, its missing the 2 IV kits and 2 saline solution bags.

[ironpig70]

See thats the problem Thats not a true M3 bag, its missing the 2 IV kits and 2 saline solution bags.


with out the proper certificates you can't have that stuff.

[Overbear]

with out the proper certificates you can't have that stuff.
While I admit its been 15 years sence I learned how to do a IV and push, im sure I could still do it in a pinch. The M3 kit is for my rig, The goal eventualy is to have a portable defib with me too but right now the lowest cost is 1200 and thats still a bit steep. Im told several companies are getting ready to brign out sub $300 one use, 10 charge portable units.

[CMF]

with out the proper certificates or enough money you can't have that stuff.

fixed

[TwistedTJTank]

Because if someone were to be responsible for getting shit anywhere near a fan in my house, I'd shove that Sobe bottle, filled with alcohol up their ass using a little Vaseline to get it good and stuck up there as far as I could get it... then I'd kick them in the fucking ass until the son of a bitch broke, cut the inside of their asshole to hell, and dumped all that fresh alcohol for a refreshing enema.


I thought Scottfj40 was playing an instrument :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

You may want to a few q-tips to your recovery kit as well, for those hard to reach places :D

BTW: That was the funniest fucking post I have seen on here in awhile! Thanx man :beer:

[qwiksilver]

OK, here' sanother scenario: what if your on business travel and can't take all of this gear? What should you take?

Your brain...


and then McGyver it.



I'm surprised at you guys. You are some of the most inventive people in the world. I would think that you could think on your feet faster than the general populace and live off the land/urban terrain better than the rest of the herd. Please, don't blow the romantic image I have of you.

[TwistedTJTank]

-6-8 cotton balls saturated with petroleum jelly in a brightly colored film vial



Lost me on this item. Can somebody school me on this one???

[qwiksilver]

Lost me on this item. Can somebody school me on this one???

This is pirate4x4...don't ask when petroleum jelly is involved.

[hoohaa]

fire starters.

[Roc Doc]

Your brain...


and then McGyver it.



I'm surprised at you guys. You are some of the most inventive people in the world. I would think that you could think on your feet faster than the general populace and live off the land/urban terrain better than the rest of the herd. Please, don't blow the romantic image I have of you.

That's a bit harsh, don't cha think? I think the majority of PBB folks would do well in a McGyver type scenario, but there are still those that are way more versed, and those that are way in the weeds. I'd say we're in the top 20%. :D

[qwiksilver]

That's a bit harsh, don't cha think? I think the majority of PBB folks would do well in a McGyver type scenario, but there are still those that are way more versed, and those that are way in the weeds. I'd say we're in the top 20%. :D

Not harsh at all. I just don't think that the people who can build the machines they build, and fab up the things that don't exist, need a bunch of what will be junk to survive. I believe they can think on their feet more than they do.

All I heard at the beginning of this thread was how much gear these guys planned to pile on their backs that they really don't need. Not with their inventive abilities.

[Overbear]

Not harsh at all. I just don't think that the people who can build the machines they build, and fab up the things that don't exist, need a bunch of what will be junk to survive. I believe they can think on their feet more than they do.

All I heard at the beginning of this thread was how much gear these guys planned to pile on their backs that they really don't need. Not with their inventive abilities.

Inventive is fine, but there is ZERO wrong with giveing yourself an edge over the others around you. Remember we are talking survivle here not just winning a game. You would be a fawking idiot to not take what gear you could with you, if you have it.

[ironpig70]

Not harsh at all. I just don't think that the people who can build the machines they build, and fab up the things that don't exist, need a bunch of what will be junk to survive. I believe they can think on their feet more than they do.

All I heard at the beginning of this thread was how much gear these guys planned to pile on their backs that they really don't need. Not with their inventive abilities.


yes we fab up shit all day long but how many of us fab up stuff with out tools???? the bag is our tool box of sorts:D it's stuff that would be hard to fab on the fly.

[DavidVanVorous]

how about some gold or silver instead of cash...you know, in case shit really got serious and the dollar became worthless.

In a scenario where the it got bad enough to merit hard coin you cant eat any of the above there by making said materials only fit for toiletry, eradication of errant werewolves, and making glitteries for sweet young things out of. Good barter materials might be gas, diesel, survival materials and excess food... ;)

D.

[DavidVanVorous]

Kids...not more than a pound a year in gear. They can carry the dehydrated food or something.

Under a year? Remember: moms dealt with hauling children over the Bering Landbridge 10,000 years ago with no problems and nomads still haul children around with little fuss. What does your baby need and what do you want them to have?

There are families that backpack with babies. Check with them on how they cope.

Now if civilization goes Kablewy...I'm going to put together a nomad society that will resemble the current desert nomads and based on sheep and wool products. People with skills and animal husbandry knowledge welcome. Hard work will be expected.

Interesting... thinking on that a couple old freinds of mine backpacked with ther younguns at tender ages then opted to get a pair of llamas when she got busted up bad in an auto accident. Kids rode as required, all gear carried and the wife didnt have to carry anything.

Llama fur is as good as wool (ask a Peruvian) for clothes but a bit coarser in texture. They also do as good a job "herding" sheep and protecting a flock as a dog. Got a neighbor that uses one for the herding purpose specifically.

D.

[Pavemen]

Inventive is fine, but there is ZERO wrong with giveing yourself an edge over the others around you. Remember we are talking survivle here not just winning a game. You would be a fawking idiot to not take what gear you could with you, if you have it.

exactly, and this is why i have 'modularized' my stuff.

I have 'essentials' in a small bag, 'less essentials' in a slightly larger bag and 'nice to have' stuff in another. All the bags are different color. This is all in a backpack that can be quickly stripped down and made to work for the situation at hand. On long road trips, I just grab the small bag and first aid kit for the car in case of accident or breakdown in BFE.

Its not that hard or that expensive to be prepared. Whats that line from Warn.... Go Prepared. You have a winch but my never need it. You may have CTMs but do you really need them? You might have built a buggy but do you really need one for the wheeling you do?

[qwiksilver]

yes we fab up shit all day long but how many of us fab up stuff with out tools???? the bag is our tool box of sorts:D it's stuff that would be hard to fab on the fly.

I guess from my own experience of not having all that gear, and having to either mcgyver it or go hungry, I know you guys could get along just fine without a lot of things weighing you down while you get the women and children out of the line of fire.

I guess I am just saying I have faith in your abilities...I'm just rotten at saying it.

[usmcdoc14]

I guess from my own experience of not having all that gear, and having to either mcgyver it or go hungry, I know you guys could get along just fine without a lot of things weighing you down while you get the women and children out of the line of fire.

I guess I am just saying I have faith in your abilities...I'm just rotten at saying it.

I have training in both summer and winter survival and to tell you the truth

I would rather hump the gear then do without it :laughing: :flipoff2:

But if you notice I carry the bare minimum of "comfort". i could have a stove or a hand warmers or other shit but I cut it to the quick.

[basketcasejeep]

Ya lol :laughing:

Two knives pictured I believe.. well 3 but you can tell what a swiss army looks like. One is a CRK and the other is a Ontario. (note: CRK not CRKT)

So ya still didn't tell us what the bag balm is for? :laughing:


Not that we really want to know. :flipoff2:

(used it myself for cracked hands during dry winter weather. Works good if put on at night and wear socks over your hands. But in a survival situation? :confused: )

[basketcasejeep]

Has anyone mentioned those little "shake to charge" flashlights? They seem to work pretty good. At least you don't have to worry about batteries.

Those are cool, but they seem to put out limited light compared to some of the better LED lamps. That's my first choice a 1+W LED with Lithium Ion batteries. ;)

Can't recall if its candlepower forums or flashlightreviews.com that has tested quite a few of them...

[Todd W]

So ya still didn't tell us what the bag balm is for? :laughing:
Not that we really want to know. :flipoff2:
(used it myself for cracked hands during dry winter weather. Works good if put on at night and wear socks over your hands. But in a survival situation? :confused: )

relieves minor injuries... like I said not everything in there is for survival.. hand warmers, aloe lotion, etc.. luxury items :D

[Bondage]

Amatuers. http://www.stormloader.com/plainsman/PlainsmansCabin.html
this is where some of the serious folk hung out. I haven't been there in a while, but there's alot more thinking than buying going on there.

I believe this would be my second marriage proposal to Qwiksilver.

[basketcasejeep]

Lost me on this item. Can somebody school me on this one???

Make good firestarters... so I read... supposed to last 5 minutes. I'll have to try some in a few minutes. :D I'll stick them in a baggie, in the back end of my strike force.

http://www.survivalunlimited.com/fire.htm

Now THAT is one of the best survival tools I own.

[DavidVanVorous]

Make good firestarters... so I read... supposed to last 5 minutes. I'll have to try some in a few minutes. :D I'll stick them in a baggie, in the back end of my strike force.

http://www.survivalunlimited.com/fire.htm

Now THAT is one of the best survival tools I own.

Toys....same thing can be done with a sharp rock (ideally flint or chert) and a piece of cold rolled steel (ideally slightly oil hardened). More durable and a heck of a lot cheaper, thats how I do it at the Mt. man 'vous.

D.

[Priest]

OK, here' sanother scenario: what if your on business travel and can't take all of this gear? What should you take?


I travel constantly for work. In regards to this I always travel with a leatherman, pocket knife, disposable lighter, pens and note pad, a bit of food (jerky, protien bars and so no), a liter of water, bandaids, asprin, alergy meds, tooth brush and a descent amount of pocket cash. This isn't really for a SHTF scenario, it's because I've had to spend lots of hours stuck in airports. Of course the leatherman and the pocket knife have to go in my check luggage but everything else resides in my backpack at all times. It really takes up very little space and it makes life a lot more comfortable if you end up having to sleep in the corner of an airport. People shoot you the evil eye when they see you snacking on something when they are hungry and everything else is closed.


Edited to add that I do always have my laptop, DVDs and a book or two with me as well. When you don't have anything to pass the time...the time drags on.

[basketcasejeep]

Toys....same thing can be done with a sharp rock (ideally flint or chert) and a piece of cold rolled steel (ideally slightly oil hardened). More durable and a heck of a lot cheaper, thats how I do it at the Mt. man 'vous.

D.

You need to teach me then! I tried quite a bit as a kid to beat a stainless knife on a hunk of quartz with only the faintest hint of a spark. :laughing: (my area is predominately quartz, some sandstone and granite. No flint. No obsidian, no chert... )

I know better now, but I have yet to find a device that puts out the sparks that a strike force has.

[DRM]

I've told you guys before - I have 40+ family members (most with farms) within a 15 mile radius.

I have no intention of going anywhere, unless I absolutely have to.

I have a enough weapons and ammo to get me started, wofe and I both have bows/arrows, and I don't have a problem killing a family pet if I gotta eat :p

[Hef]

OK, here' sanother scenario: what if your on business travel and can't take all of this gear? What should you take?


I might spend 10% of my time without my gear close by. I keep it in the closet near the bed when at home, and put it in my vehicle when I leave the house. Work, travel, etc.....doesn't matter. The gear does me no good if I can't get to it in time.

I carry it around while I work during the day, every day. No shit. Call me paranoid, but I like to be prepared.

[basketcasejeep]

I might spend 10% of my time without my gear close by. I keep it in the closet near the bed when at home, and put it in my vehicle when I leave the house. Work, travel, etc.....doesn't matter. The gear does me no good if I can't get to it in time.

I carry it around while I work during the day, every day. No shit. Call me paranoid, but I like to be prepared.

You mean the range bag in your truck? Not a kit on you at all times?

Some folks think I'm funny for carrying a pocket knife all the time. When I don't have it, is when I find a need for it. Last time I recall not wearing it was my wedding. Wife forbade it. You guessed it, needed to cut a few things that day. :laughing:

[Hef]

You mean the range bag in your truck? Not a kit on you at all times?

Some folks think I'm funny for carrying a pocket knife all the time. When I don't have it, is when I find a need for it. Last time I recall not wearing it was my wedding. Wife forbade it. You guessed it, needed to cut a few things that day. :laughing:


I carry the range bag with basic gear and range gear, AR15, 12 gauge, and .45 pistol. Sometimes I get funny looks when moving the gear between the truck and the house. :laughing:

I'm rarely more than 20 yards from the truck, whether at home or work.

[DavidVanVorous]

You need to teach me then! I tried quite a bit as a kid to beat a stainless knife on a hunk of quartz with only the faintest hint of a spark. :laughing: (my area is predominately quartz, some sandstone and granite. No flint. No obsidian, no chert... )

I know better now, but I have yet to find a device that puts out the sparks that a strike force has.

Think about what you see when using a grinder. Lots of sparks on cold roll in an intense pattern depending on pressure against or with a stone wheel. Try the same thing with SST and you wont get a comparable amount of sparks.

Given that the "stone" strikes the steel when grinding and the most amount of intense sparking happens with steel one "strikes the steel" in a downward fashion HARD to get the sparks. Flint and chert are good but quartz will work in a pinch as will jasper. The key to the stone is the edge the key to the steel is the materal and its shape (rectangular to get an edge to strike/carve on.

The toys are made of a bit more sparky material like iron pyrite (FeS2) with a bit of magnesium added for enhancement. Saves carrying a sharp rock because just like the wheel on a lighter the toy can create a spark via 2 metals in contact with each other...

Now fun fire starting might be best described when using a bow and a burning board. From a patience perspective, thats one technique that seprates those that have patience and a bit of upper body strength from those that dont... :D :D


D.

[basketcasejeep]

Ok, I have some homemade blades and a chunk of quartz, I'm going to go tinker with this a few minutes. :D I'm not sure I understand the technique completely, but I'll give it a go. Sheesh... I've made fire with a piece of saran wrap filled with water, as well a maglite lense. You'd think I could get something from banging some rocks around. :D :goofball:

I understand SS isn't going to do much. Carbon steel is best. I recall from welding school that a test for determining carbon content is to grind the metal, and note the amount, angle, and length of sparks.

I have a broken hacksaw blade attached to my magnesium fire starter 'toy'- helps get the magnesium off, provides a steel sparker.

edit: How's this for a bow drill?
:laughing:
http://wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/fire/bowdrill/pmoc/index.html

[Dieselmh]

Fawk it, I'll go to Mom's. We've got the windmill for water, the pond for bathing (and even flushing the toilets if we wanna get high falutin'), the neighbors on one side have hogs, the neighbors on the other side have cows that graise on mom's place, and the entire 10 acres fenceline is within shooting distance of the backyard. :D

[basketcasejeep]

Did I kill this thread? :emb:

Found this article on starting a fire:

http://www.northwestjournal.ca/I1.htm

edit, found this one too:

http://wildwoodsurvival.com/survival/fire/flintandsteel/RBclarifications.html

[DMG]

Where is a good source for MREs? What MREs taste the least shitty?

[ironpig70]

Where is a good source for MREs? What MREs taste the least shitty?


a good army surplus will have them. have not eaten them in awhile so i cannot say which are good. but after working all day anything is eatable:D

[kidwired]

I have a magnesium brick, shit burns good.
Mcgyver= steel wool on battery posts. Try it at home kids :D

[calamaridog]

How about some common sense application here, instead of worrying about how much ammo you have, how about getting all your important papers in one easy to carry file to grab when you evacuate. Instead of field stripping MRE's, how about having an evacuation plan so you aren't a statistic stuck in traffic with an out of gas or broke down vehicle. Instead of packing survival blankets, how about identifying a hotel inland and making sure you know the number to it and have a stash of cash to pay for the room.

This is actually great advice. We have several scenarios planned out for different situations. The best thing for family people is to know how you will get back in contact with your loved ones and what to do in a particular situation.

Having copies of your important documents and financial information is also very important. I keep an updated file out of state with contact numbers and financial information.


Get fawkin real people, a civilian carrying an asault rifle in a crisis situation is a target to the law enforcement personnel doing their jobs.

I tend to agree. Carry a handgun if you must but don't go around brandishing an AR or something. You will be disarmed by the police or National Guard if they see it. That is exactly what happened in New Orleans.

As far as a "kit" goes, it certainly doesn't hurt to prepare. I have home, car, and personal "kit". Common sense is absolutely your best asset though.

[Todd W]

I have a magnesium brick, shit burns good.
Mcgyver= steel wool on battery posts. Try it at home kids :D

Why carry the extra steel wool when you should already have alcohol swabs... a couple sparks from ANYTHING and poof you get a decent sized flame for a few seconds to light something else. :D

[Hef]

This is actually great advice. We have several scenarios planned out for different situations. The best thing for family people is to know how you will get back in contact with your loved ones and what to do in a particular situation.

Having copies of your important documents and financial information is also very important. I keep an updated file out of state with contact numbers and financial information.




I tend to agree. Carry a handgun if you must but don't go around brandishing an AR or something. You will be disarmed by the police or National Guard if they see it. That is exactly what happened in New Orleans.

As far as a "kit" goes, it certainly doesn't hurt to prepare. I have home, car, and personal "kit". Common sense is absolutely your best asset though.



You can put alot of your info into MSWord documents, or scan them into PDF's. Save it all on a mini-USB drive and keep it handy. That's what I've done.

I totally disagree with you regarding guns. A handgun is what you carry when you can't carry or use a rifle or shotgun, for whatever reason. I would only resort to a handgun when I've a) run out of ammo for my rifle or shotgun, b) had to stash the long guns somewhere to avoid confiscation, or c) wound up someplace that a long gun would be hard to wield effectively.

I can, and will, sling a rifle over my shoulder, holster a pistol on my hip, and carry a 12 gauge in my hands. That's my preference, others may differ.

[kidwired]

Why carry the extra steel wool when you should already have alcohol swabs... a couple sparks from ANYTHING and poof you get a decent sized flame for a few seconds to light something else. :D

Oh you need a spark? steel wool and battery requires no spark, and you already have some batteries for your radio, right :D

it's not a debate, its a suggestion. you may just thank me someday ;)

[calamaridog]

You can put alot of your info into MSWord documents, or scan them into PDF's. Save it all on a mini-USB drive and keep it handy. That's what I've done.

I totally disagree with you regarding guns. A handgun is what you carry when you can't carry or use a rifle or shotgun, for whatever reason. I would only resort to a handgun when I've a) run out of ammo for my rifle or shotgun, b) had to stash the long guns somewhere to avoid confiscation, or c) wound up someplace that a long gun would be hard to wield effectively.

I can, and will, sling a rifle over my shoulder, holster a pistol on my hip, and carry a 12 gauge in my hands. That's my preference, others may differ.

Try and follow the logic here...

In any urban setting, you WILL be disarmed by the police or National Guard during a civil emergency if they see you carrying a rifle or shotgun.

If you've paid any attention to the NRA Convention the last few days, you will notice they are raising hell because this is exactly what they did in New Orleans.

I'm not saying it was legal or right but it happened.

It also happened during the 1992 LA riots.

Rifle and shotgun are great, but not if you are mobile, on foot, and trying not to draw attention to yourself. If you are not in an Urban setting, then a long gun becomes more practical and less likely to draw unwanted attention.

[Todd W]

Oh you need a spark? steel wool and battery requires no spark, and you already have some batteries for your radio, right :D

it's not a debate, its a suggestion. you may just thank me someday ;)

Batteries eventualy die, and alcohol swabs eventualy dry up.. in the end I think my knife and any rock I find for spark would due but i'd rather use the swab and a spark while the swab was still good.

Yes the steel wool works, I have done it before but I ask again... why carry something that has no other real purpose than to start a fire and add bulk?
(Not to mention steel wool doesn't put off the flame a swab does.)

My favorite tender/heater/cooker is Trioxane it burns VERY HOT and for a good amount of time starts w/only a spark too. It sinks in water so if you want something that floats and burns look for "WetFire".

Did I mention I've tested probably 90% of 'tender' available to "buy" as well as homebrewed for a website I'm working on :D

If you want pics or statistics let me know I've recorded burn time, work after submerged in water, float and burn, and a couple other things.

For cost/performance and multi-use trioxane is awesome but not safe to breath; for portability, waterproofness and ONLY fire starting Wetfire is nice. For "camping" fire starting ease you can't go wrong wit a fire paste or Fire Ligthers.

[mr.tech]

after reading "Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse"
http://www.xmlwriter.org/books/reviews/156384155X-5.html
I now have a basement at our lake house full of MRE's, ammunition (5000-10000) rounds for each gun I have) a large stockpile of weapons (3) .22's, .32 semi auto pistol, .270 rifle, 7-mag rifle, 30-30 leaver action, Ar-15 (semi, 3 round spurt, full auto), M-1 carbine, .50 cal. turret mounted machine gun (WWII era that my grandpa gave me) (2) .45's, security 6 revolver, .410 bolt action shotgun, 20ga double barrel, and a 12ga pump. and tons of dried food, flashlights, batteries, fuel (gas, diesel, kerosene) 15 (55 gallon drums) of water, generator, full survival first aid kit with general health, anatomy and surgical books. not to mention the boat load of other crap we have collected for dooms day.:rolleyes:

the lake house in in the middle of f-ing now where. it is surrounded by 39,000 acres of national fores on three sides and is in a county of 4300 people with no red lights and 20% inhabitable land. I drought any one will ever find us! only problem is getting there if the crash does come ( I have quite a few palns on how to do that A,B,c,D,E,F,and if all els fails G) lol . thats why I always keep $500 stashed in the credit card pocket of my wallet, just in case of an emergency.

Though most people think we are f-ing crazy I just shrug my shoulders cause at least if the day comes, I know I will be set for a few years if the country goes to shit.

[n9emz]

I don't need one....feces hits the rotary ventilating device, I'll be to get my pick of y'all's.:flipoff2:

[Hef]

Try and follow the logic here...

In any urban setting, you WILL be disarmed by the police or National Guard during a civil emergency if they see you carrying a rifle or shotgun.

If you've paid any attention to the NRA Convention the last few days, you will notice they are raising hell because this is exactly what they did in New Orleans.

I'm not saying it was legal or right but it happened.

It also happened during the 1992 LA riots.

Rifle and shotgun are great, but not if you are mobile, on foot, and trying not to draw attention to yourself. If you are not in an Urban setting, then a long gun becomes more practical and less likely to draw unwanted attention.


In SC, our state legislature passed a law to prevent such a confiscation. That wouldn't necessarily stop it, but it's a statement. Anyhow, I'm confident that in my county I would be safe from confiscation by local law enforcement. I know alot of people in law enforcement here in various departments/agencies and at all levels.

Luckily, I live in a fairly rural area where our LEO's at all levels believe in an armed citizenry. In the event of a catastrophe, I feel I'd be pressed into service before I'd be disarmed.

You live in CA, so I'm sure things would go more like you describe.