Po mans Toy Hauler project

[snookwheel]

Here's a low budget Hauler Project my son and I put together. 7.3 ltr diesel retired Uhaul. It's not fancy, but it functions. We are heading to Tellico later this month. AC, full 120 volt and 12 volt systems, 1500 w inverter, water tank, water heater, grey water tank, work bench. overhead storage.

Doors and windows from an RV graveyard.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_2872.jpg

Interior 'living quarters:
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back section. The bi fold doors have to be open to fit the jeep inside. 4 9000lb. tie downs bolted through the frame.
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Out door Bubba shower with hot and cold water.
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Dash mounted monitor to keep an eye on the jeep inside and a camera mounted out the rear to watch the jeep on a trailer.
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And just so the neighbors know what it is for:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_2869.jpg

It's been a blast to put together. The air suspension drops the truck down 4" and some ramps do the rest.

[Ken Carter / BRUISER]

Very Very Nice.. that looks like a nice hauler

[ibrocun]

Saw yer buildup thread on ROF. Post more pics of the Jeep in the rig.

Awesome job!

[snookwheel]

Saw yer buildup thread on ROF. Post more pics of the Jeep in the rig.

Awesome job!

Thanks. Here's the pics. I don't have any with it finished and the jeep in it.
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[LouBell]

Love it! Simply awesome!

[KS Toy]

Cool deal. What is the width inside? Got a bed above the cab or cots on the floor?

[Kaiser5]

Yea, I like it too! Sweet.:smokin:

[snookwheel]

Cool deal. What is the width inside? Got a bed above the cab or cots on the floor?

It's just wide enough to get out the door of the jeep. I'm not sure the exact width, I believe seven ft. I'll measure it. It has a twin bunk above the cab and I can put a folding cot on the floor.

EDIT: It is 7'7" wide. The door opening is 7'3"

[hotwheelsYJ]

That is great. Got anymore pics of the front of the living quarters? facing toward the upper bunk.

What size Uhaul did you start with?

[4x4not]

That's not so "Po Man's"! Looks SWEET!

[Dusty]

Awesome job. Thanks for posting it.

[rockcrawln]

Looks good. Working on the same thing only I want to put 2 CJ7s inside.

[snookwheel]

That is great. Got anymore pics of the front of the living quarters? facing toward the upper bunk.

What size Uhaul did you start with?

It's a 26 foot truck. The width inside is 7' 7".

Here's an early shot looking from the rear. There is quite a bit of room up top. I have an air bed up there now. You can store alot of stuff up there. I have a cargo net to keep things from falling. I'll shoot a better pic. later.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_2746.jpg

Rockcrawln, two cj's would fit in one of these, unless you have a monster stinger on them. Watch your GVW limits. One thing you might try, the Florida DOT let me reclassify this from a commercial truck to a motor home once I put 120 volt and water hook up. That made the license and insurance a lot cheaper.

The roof now has 1" thick foam insulating board between all the aluminum stringers. It keeps things a lot cooler.

[black jimmy]

That is pretty damn sweet if you ask me!!!!!

[Mustard Dog]

That gets the job done.

[thump93yj]

Ladies and Gentlemen.... THAT is how to start posting on the PBB!

Suweeet!

Stabbin'Cabbin' needs the "Redneck Vacations" touch.

Very nice :smokin:

[thump93yj]

I picked up one of those outdoor shower doo-dads myself... haven't installed it yet... throwing around shower curtain attachment ideas for it... that or I'll just have to give everyone a show :D

btw, just noticed the "Manatee, the other white meat" bumper sticker.

Almost blew coffee out my nose!:laughing:

[Gummi Bear]

I dig it, but I'm completely bummed that you put this out there. Now U-Haul trucks are gonna be hard to come by, way to start a trend, man :flipoff2: I've been pondering the same thing for a while now, and driving by the U-Haul truck liquidation center a couple of times a week doesn't help much.

Nice job.

For those of us not in the know, what are the GVW ratings and such. Could you pull a trailer with another rig on it with this? (we're a 2 rig family)

Where did you find an RV graveyard? Where do you even begin searching for one? I seem to be only able to find new RV parts.

You mentioned air ride earlier, did you put it in, or was it part of the rig?

[mbryson]

.............Where did you find an RV graveyard? Where do you even begin searching for one? I seem to be only able to find new RV parts............


Dude, he's in Florida.

[Hendo]

how do you get rid of the waste water ,do you have a holding tank ?

[snookwheel]

Thanks for the comments guys.


For those of us not in the know, what are the GVW ratings and such. Could you pull a trailer with another rig on it with this? (we're a 2 rig family)
You mentioned air ride earlier, did you put it in, or was it part of the rig?

The GVW rating is 18,000 lbs. I can't get a straight answer on the CGVW, but the Uhaul people tell me that they have people fill these things full and tow cars behind them all the time (it came with a 2" hitch ball already on it). I'll be towing one on a car hauler and have one inside.

The air suspension came with the truck. It has a knob on the dash you can push in and drop the rear around 4 inches.


Hendo; I don't have a black water holding tank. That and a real head will come down the road. Right now I just have a porta potti. It has never been used.... I think that is because I have a hard rule about it. He who uses it first, cleans it for LIFE!! I do have a small tank under the sink for grey water.

Thumper; the shower curtain worked out pretty good. The part mounted on the truck that the the shower curtain rods stick into are just a couple of boat stantion mounts. I wish I could find another 'Manatee' sticker.. it would be on the truck. Tree huggers hate it.

[pmurf1]

That's pretty cool. About time we had a noobie post over here something worth a shit!

I'll assume it's the same 7.3 from the Powerstrokes? Turbo, no intercooler? How does it do on the hills, or have you had enough seat time yet? I'll assume it's an auto if it's from u-haul. It seems that thing could have a ton of interior room if you bumper pulled the trailer too.

[snookwheel]

pmurf1: It's a 7.3 but no Turbo. I'm sure what components it shares with the Ford, but it is an International. I did some work on the fuel system and the parts were only available through International Navistar. The Tranny is a 5 speed manual Spicer.

It is no speed demon.. leans a bit more towards pig. But it does get there at approx. 10.5 mpg. So far, only a semi local couple trips of 200 miles or so and it did fine. It'll cruise at 60 to 65 easy but I am in Florida so not a lot of serious climbs here. I expect that we will be in third /fourth gear in the mountains.

[GJC]

Nice! Very cool. Thanks for posting, now to start lookin for an old U-Haul :D

[texascadillac42]

Thats one of the coolest rigs Ive seen in a while.

[GRMhick]

Ive been wanting to do the same. And to top it off, you could tow a buddys rig behind it too!

[KS Toy]

What about AC in the living quarters?

[pmurf1]

What about AC in the living quarters?

It's sitting next to the microwave in the second picture. Portable one.

[snookwheel]

It's sitting next to the microwave in the second picture. Portable one.

Yep. It's one of those free standing units that you have to vent outside. It vents through a lockable screened hatch cut into the side.

HotwheelsYJ: here's better shots of the above cab area.

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[thecarman]

A guy I know picked one up one of these with a wrecked box (someone tried to go under a low bridge). He cut the box off to make a log truck out of it (he does tree removal). His has the DT466 engine in it, for those of you looking for more power.

[thump93yj]

But the real story is... "gummi" got "duded"... ooohhhhhhh :flipoff2:

[Go2Guy]

I've always admired this concept. Trouble is finding one specced out with air ride and decent power/cruise speed- at least for my needs. be nice to connect the box to the cab with a sleeper type boot. Maybe an expediter truck would be a good starting point for more power etc.

[Gummi Bear]

Thanks, Clint. It's an honor to have the 'dude' bestowed upone me. :flipoff2:

Go2 - I've looked at expediter/delivery trucks too, they definitely net you some serious power, but the only downside to me is that they're pretty darn tall. (you'd need some long ramps) My plan was to find a low profile rig, like a tow truck chassis, and put a box on that, in an effort to keep the overall height down, not to mention a little bit less drag (like it makes a bit of difference with one of these :D )

You can get the U-Haul boxes pretty cheap, and if you found a good chassis, one can be put on with just a little fab work. There's a place over in Fort Worth that has some, and like I mentioned before, there's another place here near the office that has them.

I've looked at all kinds of chassis, the International plant is just a couple of miles from my office, and I really believe that one of the low profile ones is the way to go. Having the box nearly 3 feet lower is pretty attractive to me.

[TJ44s]

Nice hauler it looks great .


Saw yer buildup thread on ROF. Post more pics of the Jeep in the rig.

Awesome job!

ROF ? How about a link to the build up

[snookwheel]

be nice to connect the box to the cab with a sleeper type boot. .

You just pegged my next project. Freightliner sells the gasket and bracket, but it is pretty pricey for a steroided gasket and some aluminum. I am looking for a junkyard that has a flopped semi w/ sleeper cab and pull the parts. I will have to get rid of the bench seat in the cab and move the work bench to the passenger side behind the side door. It would be nice to be able to get into the box under way.

[rockcrawln]

Trouble is finding one specced out with air ride and decent power/cruise speed- at least for my needs.

You can find 24'-26' moving vans all the time. If all you need room for inside is a 1 jeep. We looked for 4 months before we found our 28' (fits 2 jeeps + kitchen) moving van that we are doing the same thing too. The only problem with a moving van is you need long ramps.

[scoutkid]

Having the box nearly 3 feet lower is pretty attractive to me.


heh. :flipoff2:

[rockcrawln]

Its really not that big of a deal. Making simple 12" wide 8' long ramps isn't that hard.

[PhantomEB]

Simply said as DAMN!!

[Hottrod81]

That's nice. Good innovative thinking!:D

[kledder]

As far as ramps, what you may want to look for is a van with a hydraulic lift on the back. I rented one of these once and we were able to use the lift to pick up the front tires of a cj, then move the jeep forward until the rear tires were on the lift. It worked great and was pretty impressive when we pulled up to the trail. Nice job on the uhaul.

Kevin

[Non Urban]

Ramp length shouldn't be an issue. You have a Jeep.


Nice rig tho fo sho!

[Po' riggity]

That kicks some major azz. I love it.. Wonder if the wife would let that pass as an "RV" :D
Scott

[snookwheel]

Thanks guys.

Non Urbam; I did climb in once before I got ramps.. wasn't pretty, but I made it. Ramps are better. Trail rash from a Uhaul would be embarrasing at best.


That kicks some major azz. I love it.. Wonder if the wife would let that pass as an "RV" :D


That is actually how I sold her on it. But, she has a streak of of a red neck herself so it was not too hard a sell.


The only piece left before Tellico is a 15' roll out awning that should be in tomorrow. I was re doing the front bumper of my wife's jeep today and ended up with a spare brush guard... so as a pure form, no function mod... maybe I can hang a BBQ grill off it.

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Scott

[CTBrent]

Before you put in the living quarters (or the divider for them) you could park the Jeep over the rear axle but it looks like now when you haul, a majority of the weight will be behind the axle. How does it handle?

[snookwheel]

Before you put in the living quarters (or the divider for them) you could park the Jeep over the rear axle but it looks like now when you haul, a majority of the weight will be behind the axle. How does it handle?

When the Jeep is inside, the divider doors are open and the front wheels are in front of the truck axle, positioned on boards laid on top of the carpet. The AC and fridg. roll forward and are strapped to the work bench. Wheel chocks and winch straps secure the jeep to tie down loops.

Over 50% of the jeep's weight is in front of the truck rear axle. It handles pretty well. Not alot of difference having the Jeep in the box or not.

Scott

[randii]

I am *digging* on the U-haul stinger! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Awesome! :smokin:

Randii

[thump93yj]

dayum it... that's greatness

[Non Urban]

I am *digging* on the U-haul stinger! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Awesome! :smokin:

Randii

Ditto:smokin:

[BigDan]

That kick's major as and so do you for building. Its about time someone steeped up and built what all of us guy think about building when we pass an used truck equempt or Uhaul along side the highway. That and it's perfect for guys's. Think of all the money you saved form the alternitave $40K tow rig $30K race car trailer of some type of beefed up toyhauler.

:idea::grinpimp:

That thing is so PIMP, It almost deserved some custom graphics/paint....I dont know I could be wrong.

[rpm4x4]

Hats off dude, thats cool.:smokin: I did the same thing to an Izuzu NPR but it was plaged by gremlins. (pos) Do you plan on driving cross counrty with this or just local.

Mike

[snookwheel]

Big Dan; We are going to do some graphics on it. My son put the design together, pretty simple design. Just gotta take the time to find the materials /$$etc.


Do you plan on driving cross counrty with this or just local.
Mike

So far only in state trips. In 15 days we will give it a true shake down trip to Tellico. Approx. 1200 mi. round trip. I was looking for an Isuzu when we happened to find this.

Scott

[JeepThrills07]

hey all, im snookwheels son and co-builder of Krawler Hauler (cool dad huh?) and these are the designs he was talking about. Open to some changes but these are the basic ideas.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/JeepThrills07/krawlerhaulersidefinal.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/JeepThrills07/JeepShadowBIG.jpg

[401ton]

Nice job on the rig! I want to do my own interior on a fifth wheel trailer when I can afford it.

What did the U-haul cost?

[mattmey]

I would be interesting in seeing what the fuel milage would be. I am guessing low 10s.

[snookwheel]

Mattmey: I get around 10.5 mpg loaded.

401ton: I got the Uhaul for 6K. I bought it from a guy who bought it in Ca. and drove it to Fl. He paid approx. 7,500 to Uhaul. The clutch was getting towards it's last leg, so I did have to put in a new clutch, pressure plate T/O bearing. Other than that, it was pretty sound.


Scott

[94redrodeo]

we have a International at work with a 7.3 slow as molasses but gives us no problems

[drnut]

:grinpimp:

[Mud Slayer 2.0]

hey all, im snookwheels son and co-builder of Krawler Hauler (cool dad huh?) and these are the designs he was talking about. Open to some changes but these are the basic ideas.


Hey man, if you'd like i have some paint images of a jeep side veiw preatty detailed drawn up in paint format.
it aint chip foose but
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/pdd21f8b05684ab3c7710d96b62d3da3a/ee7cb67d.jpg

[snookwheel]

Hey man, if you'd like i have some paint images of a jeep side veiw preatty detailed drawn up in paint format.
it aint chip foose but
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/pdd21f8b05684ab3c7710d96b62d3da3a/ee7cb67d.jpg

Thanks Mud Slayer, Great job on the detail in your Jeep graphics. But we just had them made yesterday. I appreciate the offer.

Free breathing (K&N) filter and a 15 ft. roll up awning went on today. I am looking into fabbing up an under the box / frame mounted spare tire carrier and adding cable hook up. After that, it's pretty much done.

12 days to Tellico. Scott

[yager]

I love it... So much in fact your pictures were what i needed to close the deal with the wife... (actually she didnt care but it helped)

Any tips on the Truck -> RV stuff at the DMV.. How fancy did it need to be? Wondering if I should try to do some simple stuff upfront or not.

After a few bum truck deals I decided no ebay trucks and i needed to test drive it at road speed... Mines basically a twin of your truck... Ill put more details in a seperate write up. I should have it at the house by the weekend.. I hope it fits...

[snookwheel]

Any tips on the Truck -> RV stuff at the DMV.. How fancy did it need to be? Wondering if I should try to do some simple stuff upfront or not.

I had to go to the DMV licensing office to get my registration and Tags. The clerk walked out to the truck and looked to see if it had a water hook up and AC hook up. She did not look inside, just at the actual hook ups on the side. I did put an airbed on the cab over section and a sink/cabinet installed before I went down there.. just in case. MUCH cheaper insurance and tags being a "motor coach."

(Check your pm. sent door window install pics.)

[LouBell]

I must have a 'Redneck Vacations" sticker. I can Paypal you the $ if you have extra.:cool:

[snookwheel]

I must have a 'Redneck Vacations" sticker. I can Paypal you the $ if you have extra.:cool:

Here is a png file of the Redneck Vacations sticker. Just email it or take a copy to any sign / graphics shop and they can make one up for you cheap. Aprox. $20.00 or so. If the file does not work for you, PM me and I'll send it another way.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/RedneckVacattions.png

We officially finished Krawler Hauler tonight. The Graphics are on. Next stop is Tellico. Thanks for the comments folks, I'll post after the trip if the old Uhaul makes it there and back in good form.

After all the work, If it does not make it, someone will find an old Uhaul with the vin#'s scraped off and up in flames on the side of the road.:evil:

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[Mud Slayer 2.0]

Those Graphics turned out sweet !! that thing is awsome...
One question though.. is there some kind of collection tray for the shower ?? or do u just make a muddy mess around your camp ground ??

[snookwheel]

Those Graphics turned out sweet !! that thing is awsome...
One question though.. is there some kind of collection tray for the shower ?? or do u just make a muddy mess around your camp ground ??

Thanks, not near the detail of the jeep graphic you designed though. No, I don't have a collection tray. I'm not sure how you would do that with an out door shower. We have a wood grid/platform that fits under the shower. Have not had issues with mud. Typically, there is grass, gravel etc. The shower is on the driverside near the cab. Pretty much out of the way. We're not talking 20 min showers here. It's only a 4 gal. hot water tank.

[yager]

4gal hot... im sure people will be lined up for cold showers !!

My wife liked the shower idea when i showed her your pics.. I had the same comments about water, drainage. When we get to that point i figured id take a large platic tray or tote bin etc and put a drain in one side with a hose hook up. Just enough to send it to a grey water drain or at least a bit away...

[Ken Carter / BRUISER]

4gal hot... im sure people will be lined up for cold showers !!

My wife liked the shower idea when i showed her your pics.. I had the same comments about water, drainage. When we get to that point i figured id take a large platic tray or tote bin etc and put a drain in one side with a hose hook up. Just enough to send it to a grey water drain or at least a bit away...


Yager talk to Jon Loughry he is making a shower set up right now for camping.. he made a small wood deck to stand on to keep fet out of mud :)

[snookwheel]

Like this. Cost almost zip.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_3190.jpg
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[ksbronco]

May be worth checking into weather that engine is enough like the ford Navistars, you can find pretty good deals anymore on ATS turbo systems used, or better yet is a sidewinder from banks, they make a big diff. The other thing I hear does wonders on those pickups is headers, they claim the same performance as a turbo, but right off the bottom, and you don't have to worry about the heat issues you end up with putting a turbo on.
This thing is very cool, I had always thought about this, but now my rig is about to outgrow any indoor hauling options other than a semi I think.
And as far as ramp length I would be with the other guys, so steep ramps shouldn't be a problem as long as you have a good place to tie to and a winch in the case that you have to haul it home dead. I have always wondered about the tag and issurance thing, it isn't the same in all states though, because I have talked to some in KS using semis for haulers and they had to have a bathroom to be an RV.

[snookwheel]

The other thing I hear does wonders on those pickups is headers, they claim the same performance as a turbo, but right off the bottom, and you don't have to worry about the heat issues you end up with putting a turbo on.
.

I am going to look into the header idea. I just finished the first full 'dress rehearsal' with a jeep inside and one on a car hauler. It is a pig. It will work, but I am not going to set any speed records. I am guessing that I won't be out of third in the mountains. I can cruise it at 60/65, but am floored getting there. A Diesel mechanic friend of mine is going to do some fuel system work for me when I get back from Tellico. He said the Uhauls are typically somewhat de-tuned.

Any recomendations on a header source for a 1989 International 7.3 diesel would be appreciated!

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[35xj]

thats awesome. was looking at the newer chevy 4500/5500? u hauls the other day. anybody seen a diesel one?????

[Vortec_Cruiser]

It would be nice to see a full writeup of the entire build, along with pictures. It really looks great! :)

[mbryson]

thats awesome. was looking at the newer chevy 4500/5500? u hauls the other day. anybody seen a diesel one?????


I saw a couple of Freightliner type fronts on some here in Utah the other day. They looked like FL80 type. There were some International cabs nearby, so they stuck out a little. I wonder what they were powered by?

[snookwheel]

It would be nice to see a full writeup of the entire build, along with pictures. It really looks great! :)

Thanks. I have a ton of pics. I just need to put a write up together. Maybe after Tellico. The actual 'two jeep' Uhaul transport capability will be proved or disproved by then. We leave 4AM Weds. Either way I'll post.

[35xj]

i'll look for you in tellico this weekend. where are you staying? I'd like to get an upclose look at this rig!

[Vortec_Cruiser]

When you post it, put a link here. :)

[snookwheel]

i'll look for you in tellico this weekend. where are you staying? I'd like to get an upclose look at this rig!

We're staying at Crawfords Campground. Probably be getting there pretty late Weds. but not leaving until early the 3rd. Stop by!

Scott

[mudslinger99]

That is one of the nicest and most practical builds I've seen on a U-haul :smokin:

[geberhard]

Freaking awesome idea!!! totally dig it, excellent job!

[snookwheel]

Hey all, met some of you pirates at Crawfords in Tellico, thanks for stopping by. The rig is averaging 9 MPG at 65-70 MPH (once out of the mountains)with one Jeep inside and one on a flatbed behind it; running like a champ!!

Next stop... Harlen (Spelling?), Kentucky.

[yager]

Super !!! ive only put 20miles in mine getting it home, did 65 on the beltway np no idea of mpg yet..

How you do on the big hills??

keep use posted with your progess.. btw; i got some non opening windows for the back of mine....

[snookwheel]

Hey all, met some of you pirates at Crawfords in Tellico, thanks for stopping by. The rig is averaging 9 MPG at 65-70 MPH (once out of the mountains)with one Jeep inside and one on a flatbed behind it; running like a champ!!

Next stop... Harlen (Spelling?), Kentucky.

Let me correct this... I am finally home and did the math. The 65 to 70 cruise ended up giving me 7.75 mpg. Quite a bit lower than what I saw at 60 - 65 on the way to Tellico (8.5 mpg). With one jeep in the box and not towing a flatbed, I saw 10.5 averaging +-60 mph. Too bad, because with both jeeps, and Florida terraine, 65 seems to be the sweet spot for 5th gear.

Yager, for the big hills, momentum is your friend! The 7.3 will pull a house off it's foundation.. but not too fast. There were a few times that I had to downshift to third and a couple times to second. But no worries, I was not alone. The road to Crawfords, Hanging Dog Road, was NOT designed with the Uhaul in mind. But it will get you there with all your junk. Post pics of your progress!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_3306.jpg

Scott

[TacoRunner]

It was good meeting ya this weekend and SWEET RIG!

[Mud Slayer 2.0]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_3306.jpg
I like the BBQ grille :cool2:

[yager]

keep posting how much fun your having, the wife is really getting on board with where our project is headed !!!

Did you guys even wheel or just show off the camper all week !! :flipoff2:

[35xj]

good meeting you guys this weekend. Super cool project, got me thinking now. You guys headed to Harlen for the pirate thing? dave

[snookwheel]

Good meeting you folks too. What/when is the Harlen thing? I could stand another road trip. EDIT: Never mind, found the Harlen Info.

Yeager, we did some wheeling & broke some stuff. Chromoly axles replacing the busted TJ ones (front) this weekend. Re welding control arm mounts too. That punk kid of mine is hard on the equipment!!

Scott

[FreakAccident]

What a great build. Makes me wish I had a place to store one when I wasn't using it.

[4x4not]

You know, I hate you :flipoff2:

That thing is just too sweet. Very clean work, and an awesome project!

[snookwheel]

Thanks guys. Freak, I see you have a Sami. That will probably be my next (down the road) project. I am out of room too. But the truck is where I can store the Sami when I'm not using it.

I want to add a tachometer. This looks like a cheap easy solution; http://www.tinytach.com/tinytach/diesel.php

Anyone have any experience with them? Installing a sensor/sender on the tranny is the factory option for this truck according to the International/Navistar shop. Too much $$. The TinyTach is only $65 and a easy install. Not a matching guage for the instrument panel.... but so what, it's a Uhaul.

[4x4not]

That tach looks like it would work fine. I prefer an analog tach, but it'll get the job for sure. And it is cheap!

[cruzer75]

I just got one for my 6.2L GMC...and it's not here yet but i will let you know when i get it and install it.

Stew

[cruzer75]

I just got one for my 6.2L GMC...and it's not here yet but i will let you know when i get it and install it.

Stew

[randii]

Anyone have any experience with them? Installing a sensor/sender on the tranny is the factory option for this truck according to the International/Navistar shop. Too much $$. The TinyTach is only $65 and a easy install. Not a matching guage for the instrument panel.... but so what, it's a Uhaul.
These work well -- it is a simple sender that tags onto the injector lines and picks up mechanical pulses, with a simple display, as well. Cool product, and mine works great!

Randii

[snookwheel]

Done. Just placed the order. Thanks for the input.
Scott

[snookwheel]

Tiny Tach installed and works great. Less than 30 min. job. Clean a spot on a fuel injector line, attach sender & ground.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_3381.jpg

connect power and done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_3383.jpg

Next week starts the cab to box walk through parts search. I have a line on a salvage yard with some Semi truck cabs that should have the gasket and frame parts.

[yager]

remind me on monday to send you a link to a site w/ boot material. I got the link of the truckconversion site. I have no idea of the cost but it kinda looks like a shoot boot cut in half length wise and as long as you need.. flexes 5"-10" or so...... I cut the door :) posting pics now...

[yager]

heres the link for the boot gasket http://www.uni-grip.com/accordion.html

[SSSRodeo]

Next week starts the cab to box walk through parts search. I have a line on a salvage yard with some Semi truck cabs that should have the gasket and frame parts.

If the Salvage yard doesn't have anything here's another idea.

Have you guys thought about using a farm implement inner tube for your cab boot? A little soft flanging around the back of the cab and front of the box to hold it in place and some naugahyde with snaps for a inner cover between the cab and box and your good to go.
Ever see those swamp buggies on TNN. Look at the size of their tires. small diameter tube and big hole. It would be real easy to air it up to make a watertight fit.

Kudos on the out of the box thinking! Or is that in the box thinking?

I LIKE IT.

SSSRodeo

[78mphgpr]

You can use the boot that they use to when you take the back window out of pickup truck to connect to a bed shell. Any shop that sells bed shells will have it on a roll. It works VERY well.

[snookwheel]

I looked at the truck window boots, but all the ones I could find were too small for a comfortable walk through type opening. SSSRodeo, your suggestion of a farm/swamp buggy innertube may be the most cost effective idea, I have a friend who makes boat cushion covers with a heavy duty sewing machine , I bet she could put together a cover for me pretty easy. My junk yard tour got sidelined this week. It would be nice to have the extruded aluminum frame they use on the sleeper cab gaskets if I can get one within reason. Those gaskets on the site Mike sent look just like the ones freightliner uses. I appreciate the suggestions!

Scott

[tuckerd1]

Snookwheel, noticed you mentioned turning up the fuel some. If you plan on this, get a pyrometer for the exhaust. Try to keep the EGT's below 1250°. EGT's will go up fast pulling a load on grades with increase in fuel. When you turn it up install a ram air intake to help burn that extra fuel.

:smokin: BTW, great build! :smokin:

[snookwheel]

Snookwheel, noticed you mentioned turning up the fuel some. If you plan on this, get a pyrometer for the exhaust. Try to keep the EGT's below 1250°. EGT's will go up fast pulling a load on grades with increase in fuel. When you turn it up install a ram air intake to help burn that extra fuel.:

Thanks Tuckerd1. You make a good point as well as point out a potential problem! The only time I would really like the extra fuel kick is when I am going up an extended long upward grade. I do have a ram flow of sorts, but on those grades, I am typically going slower than where I expect the ram air would provide much benefit. Without the ram flow pushing extra air to help burn the fuel will I be looking at raising temps beyond what I should? If that's the case, then I'll leave the fuel flow alone. Or, is there no connection between ram air flow and temp. rising? I am a diesel nube so bear with me if I am showing my ignorance.:confused:

Scott

[tuckerd1]

Scott,
These engines without a turbo are usually detuned because they do not get enough air to burn all the fuel that the injection pump is capable of putting out. So IH & Ford keep the fuel screw turned down until a turbo is added.

I would install the pyro, turn the fuel up one flat (60°) and do a test run loaded. Run it hard, WOT, and watch the EGT's. When they start getting close to 1000° ease up on the go pedal and see if they start leveling off. If so then ease back into it and see if they approach 1250°. If you can't keep them below 1250° in high gear try downshifting and see what happens. Try different throttle positions and gear combinations and see what it gets you.

If it is hard to control the EGT's, then go back to stock fuel setting. You have a nice rig there so don't take a chance on melting a piston. You can get more power by adding a turbo later if you decide to go that route.

Don

[snookwheel]

Thanks Don. Great advice. I am still learning this diesel stuff. I found a great write up on Oilburners.net with detailed info on adjusting the fuel. My be helpfull to some others out there.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/k2pilot/Injection%20pump%20adjustment%20article.htm

Looks like a Pyro meter is the first step before messing with the fuel. Tnx. again, Scott

[tuckerd1]

Scott,
Good to see you coming over to oilburners. Some great info over there for the IDI owners. Some really good folks that love to help each other too!
Don

[Hellbound]

that is great, I've alway thought about that and I know that alot of people have too. Great work, so what was the final tally on the "PO-Man's" build up?

[tuckerd1]

BTW Scott, Those EGT's I quoted above are pre turbo temps. If you install the pyro after the turbo, then max EGT is 900°.

Don

OOPS! Forgot you don't have a turbo.

[snookwheel]

Great work, so what was the final tally on the "PO-Man's" build up?

Thanks Hellbound, This was one of those 'don't keep track of the small stuff you sneak home' projects.. But, I bought the truck for 6K and probably have $1,500 to $2,000counting the 'creature comforts' inside, used door, windows, water heater and a new ac compressor for the cab ac.

Edit: add $1,150 approx. for new clutch, pressure plate T/O bearing.

Don, I don't see a Turbo in the immediate future. I am going to take your advice and look for a Pyro & tweak the fuel.

[yager]

How did those windows work out?

[snookwheel]

Hey Mike. I have not cut them in yet. Been slacking. Probably two weeks before I get them in. A couple other projects have been getting in the way. I found some recessed 500w shop lights that are going to get ordered and mounted on the outside of the box. Enjoying reading about your build:smokin:

[yager]

been a few months Snook, any winter upgrades ?? Hows it going ? Im gonna actually wheel with ya one of these years..

[m016324]

cool build always good to see something a little different. Keep us updated on how it finally turns out.

-ben

[snookwheel]

been a few months Snook, any winter upgrades ?? Hows it going ? Im gonna actually wheel with ya one of these years..

Hey Yager. The only upgrades of recent are an under frame truck box and some inside stereo stuff. Oh yea... and a pregnant Nascar Barbie some jokers stuck on the grill:shaking: She is still hanging on after 1,300 miles.
I am looking for another box for the other side.

We took it to River Rock and Tellico in March. I've been watching your new build. It is looking good.:cool2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_4104.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/102_4433.jpg

[Davard]

Hey Yager. The only upgrades of recent are an under frame truck box and some inside stereo stuff. Oh yea... and a pregnant Nascar Barbie some jokers stuck on the grill:shaking: She is still hanging on after 1,300 miles.
I am looking for another box for the other side.

We took it to River Rock and Tellico in March. I've been watching your new build. It is looking good.:cool2:

Pretty cool to see what one looks like when done. I've had mine for almost a year, but haven't made that much progress. I also use it for a "slightly" different vehicle. My truck also has an aluminum box, rather than your FRP.

I saw you posted your GVW earlier (don't believe what was written on the outside of the door, what's on the jamb is what is important). The ones I looked at that had 225/70-19.5 tires, had a 18,888lb GVWR. With 245/70-19.5s (like mine), the GVWR is 22,940lbs. The IH dealer couldn't give me a specific GCWR either, but suggested that I keep it under 25,000lbs. The trans (http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English/onlineorder/pdf/2363_6.pdf) certainly isn't the weak point, as it is rated at 50,000lbs GVW (damn!).
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w238/Davard2/IMG_0272.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w238/Davard2/Juliegetsout.jpg

For those interested in finding one of your own, here's the link (http://www.uhaul.com/trucksales/model_detail.aspx?id=JH)

One of the things that made the biggest improvement in inside temp was to coat the roof with Kool-Seal (http://www.koolseal.com/product_detail.asp?product_id=63-300) rubber roof coating. I got mine at Lowe's (http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&N=0&Ntk=i_products&Ntt=kool-seal). It took about 2.5 gallons to coat the roof. But the inside skin temp in Sept dropped from 165F to 85F.

I also have portable A/C (http://www.sunpentown.com/wa12poacwihe1.html), although mine also has heat.

I would like to know where you got the folding interior door, though. That's just what I've been looking for for mine.

[snookwheel]

Good idea with the Kool-seal. Sounds like that needs to be my next project. Even with the insulation I added to the ceiling, the AC has to work pretty hard in the summer. The folding doors are from Home Depot. The lowest grade ones are pure trash, get the mid or upper grade. I tried the low end ones and returned them. I cut a slot in the track so I can swing them completely to the side to give extra room when loading/carrying the Jeep.

[Davard]

Something else needed (http://cgi.ebay.com/BUMPER-STICKER-YES-THIS-IS-MY-TRUCK-NO-I-WONT-HELP_W0QQitemZ220111335369QQcmdZViewItem) for all U-Haul conversions. :)

http://www.fakecrap.com/images/stickers/yestruck.jpg

[mtnkid85]

I dream about this project daily, as soon as I get a TDI into my 4runner and get a biodiesel still built Im totally starting this project. Check this ride out 3,500$ in CO! Thats the kinda budget Im talking about!

Like I need to say it, Love the project keep us updated.

PS, any MPG estimates?

[snookwheel]

Sorry so long to reply re your MPG question. I've been tied up in some other projects for a while. The Krawler Hauler gets 10.5 mpg empty or with a jeep inside. Adding a flat bed trailer with a second jeep drops it lower. Initially, I was getting around 7.5 to 8 with a jeep inside and one on a flatbed. BUT... the last trip to Tellico, on the way back, I was getting around 10 mpg with both jeeps as long as I kept it between 60 and 65. It also seemed to be running stronger, smoother etc.. That actually scares the crap outta me because every time I have had an engine suddenly 'come to life'... it was right before it blew up:eek: But, the 7.3 is a work-horse, it might have just blown some crap outta an injector something.

Scott

[Harvester of Sorrow]

Sooooo....Back to the top...

How is this working out for you...?

I am soooo close...might start out with a 17 footer and put the RV door up front...but at least it will still be enclosed. Also I can get the 7.3L IDI diesel...

I will start my own thread about my build up...

This thing and YAGER's are soooo inspiring.

[crashnzuk]

Cool build. You know you probably wouldn't have got the nascar barbie if you had the cab painted all white. Just thinkin out loud here.
Travis..

[Cue]

Damn I must say this is an AWESOME idea, and you guys did a hell of a job.

[snookwheel]

might start out with a 17 footer and put the RV door up front...but at least it will still be enclosed. Also I can get the 7.3L IDI diesel.

If you have room for it, I'd get the biggest one you can. It's surprising how quick you run outta space with tools, spare parts, living quarters etc. This rig has worked out real well for us. We have several 1200 + mile trips on it with no failures. I am a fan of the N/A 7.3. It has been a maint. free workhorse. Not a speed demon, but it pulls. I'll watch for your build. The other half of this project (Son) is leaving for UF in about a month, so it will be setting idle for a few months.. Unless, it falls into it's standby position of Hurricane Evacuation Vehicle. hope not:eek:

I am going to build some different ramps so I can fit a lower profile vehicle in it and use it for an Autocross trailer too. Another motorhead hobby.

Crashnzuk: The Uhaul colors have gotta stay. That's half the fun of this rig. Anyway... with this "Redneck Vacation" graphics on the back, I'm not fooling anyone:laughing:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_2869.jpg

[crashnzuk]

Yeah, I guess you could look at the barbie as a free upgrade:grinpimp:
Travis..

[chumly2071]

If anyone is shopping, I know the Uhaul near my office on University Ave in Peoria, IL has 3 for sure for sale... just a heads up for anyone looking in the central IL area...

[Ragged_ol_86]

Whats the trailer hitch rated for in the back? Also where in florida are ya?

[Camarogenius]

If anyone is shopping, I know the Uhaul near my office on University Ave in Peoria, IL has 3 for sure for sale... just a heads up for anyone looking in the central IL area...
I am. Needs Diesel, manual trans, and air ride.
Lemme know what they've got.

[Davard]

I am. Needs Diesel, manual trans, and air ride.
Lemme know what they've got.

U-Haul University Ave has these trucks for sale.

http://www.uhaul.com/trucksales/location_detail.aspx?entity=760064

And if you have a choice, go for an '89, due to the FRP box, as opposed to an aluminum one on the '88s. FRP is more damage resistant (which means it's in better condition) and is easier to cut holes in for windows and doors. It is a little heavier, but you won't notice the extra 300-400lbs. There are also rare '90's (with a different front end), but those are ultra rare.


And the trailer hitch should be good for at least 6000lbs, with their 2" ball, as that is what the car trailers are rated for.

[snookwheel]

Davard is correct about going for the FRP box. Beyond the ease of installing doors and windows with the FRP, it is a workout for the AC to keep it cool inside on hot days even with the roof insulated. I don't think you would have a prayer with the aluminum ones. Same for keeping warm when it's cold out.

[jarmstrong]

just wondering if anyone has ever weighed one of these after the converson? according to the weights u-haul gives there is not a lot of load capacity total.and i know that lumber and gear adds weight quickly plus the weight of a jeep.
JERRY

[snookwheel]

I did have to get it weighed when I had it registered as a Motor Home. I can't recall the exact total, I'll try to dig up the slip. The Max GVW is 18,000. I am pretty sure that with the work bench and sink etc. in it it was under 12,000 lbs. the weight may be on my registration. I check later.

I never have been able to confirm what the combined max is including the flatbed I tow. Checking with Uhaul, they claimed no issues with the truck loaded at 18K and towing a car on one of their ridiculously heavy car haulers.

[snookwheel]

Whats the trailer hitch rated for in the back? Also where in florida are ya?

I couldn't get a straight answer out of Uhaul re the hitch capacity, but they rent them with their car hauler trailers all the time. I have never had a problem with the flatbed and Tj on it. I live in Crystal Beach, Fl. A little town just North of Clearwater & South of Tarpon springs. No deed restrictions against a KrawlerHauler in the driveway:D

[yager]

weights.....from my u-haul build up thread.....

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=487272&page=4&highlight=toter

------
Steer 6140
Drive 11660
Gross 17800

My GVWR sticker weight it 17,998
so that leaves me ~200# left to play with. But we were fully loaded, jeep full of gas, spare 19.5" tire, a good pile of firewood, 3 totes of building tools and supplies. etc.. Overall pleased with the weight...

---------

[Davard]

Weight capacity depends on what tires were on it. Yager had 225/70-19.5s, which limit the GVWR to 17,998lbs. With the larger 245/70-19.5s, mine has a GVWR (based on the plate, 7500F/15440R) of 22,940lbs. I currently have it registered at 20k, but could go higher if needed (my race car only weighs 2045lbs).

And for those who like gas and autos, Uhaul is now getting rid of their '93-94 GMCs and '94-95 Fords with 24-foot boxes.

And at least local to me (Kansas City), the prices on the IH trucks have dropped to the $5000 range.

[toywelder]

i have found them cheaper then that in KC
$45ish to $42ish dep. on the shape, all will have 175K to 200K on them
and yep i found them AFTER i got my bus

[RTR2]

And for those who like gas and autos, Uhaul is now getting rid of their '93-94 GMCs and '94-95 Fords with 24-foot boxes.
having driven one of the fords with a half full box of furniture/household items and a dodge durango on one of their trailers, i wouldn't reccomend one unless you don't mind going SLOW and spending a lot on fuel. 60mph was a struggle on the flats (forget about it on any amount of incline) and it might have gotten 4-5 mpg.

[snookwheel]

I agree with R2RT on that. I would not have considered this project on a gas truck. The diesel is not a rocket, but gets acceptable gas mileage for a two jeep hauling workshop-camper-hurricane escape vehicle combo truck.

[POWERSTROKEN]

Awesome build. I was wondering about any other trucks like the Penske's or others?

[shortystowing]

The Uhuals have the lowest loading height and make for an easier drive up...

[Toddy]

Where did you find the awning for the outside?

Toddy

[snookwheel]

The Uhuals have the lowest loading height and make for an easier drive up...

It also has a rear air bag set up that lets me drop the rear down an additional 4". You hit a nob on the dash and the rear drops.

Toddy, the awning is the same type you see on 'normal' RVs. I picked it up from some company on Ebay. Just Google RV awnings and a bunch of suppliers will pop up.

Here's a link to the company that made the one I have:
http://home.comcast.net/~shademaker/index.htm

Scott

[redneckengineered]

Awesome thread. I'm researching doing something similar but way more redneck/ghetto. I found this 14' box truck beater for $750. I'm thinking about picking it up, taking the box off the frame and mounting it on the front of a gooseneck. Thoughts?

http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/23153-1/box_truck01.jpg

http://www.rebelrockrunners.org/gallery/d/23155-1/box_truck02.jpg

[warpdriv]

Do it!!! After I sell my F350 tow rig (http://austin.craigslist.org/car/463875120.html), I'm going to buy a 26' Uhaul and do an RV conversion.

[snookwheel]

Here's a good price on one: http://gainesville.craigslist.org/car/468946317.html

I have no idea on details, but it's a good price if it's decent. Somebody grab it and start cutting holes in it. I'd love to build another, but I can't part with the original one.
Two in the driveway might result in a divorce. Can't let that happen... who'd mow the lawn?

[zjrog]

I drove a GMC gas Uhaul (I thought it was 26', but was probably only 24') from California to Utah across central Nevada. The truck was FULL inside and dragged my 90 Ranger on a tow dolly, the Ranger had my 26 gallon air compressor and engine hoist and other stuff in it.

Damn thing was a dog on the flats, no fun up hills, and I think I glazed the brakes on downhills (certainly overheated them a bunch). But the kicker was it overheated in the worst place possible 2/3rds of the way into the move. Once cooled and refilled with water, I limped it the rest of the way to our new home.

Due to the overheating issue, we got a 25% rebate on our rental. But if I could get a diesel if I ever need one of these again, I'd take it. Forget the gas...

[Go2Guy]

Well..... The sale of my toter should go thru tomorrow..... and a project like this is/will be the next move reducing debt so I can keep the other toys (bad fast boat habit, down to a single income:))

I'm torn between a taller box truck (more readily available with decent power and OTR gearing) vs a U-haul with the lower profile, well made box, low price and woefully underpowered. It seems the mileage is way closer than i would've expected.... so maybe the aero difference is minimal. If I buy a u-haul it would get a 5.9 cummins and nv5600 stuffed in it, would need a good donor vehicle to get the IC etc.

Curious on input, would make a perm wall for about 13' of garage and the rest living, knock out the hole to the cab, boot it, side door, side window, awning, shower (maybe in the garage it space is too tight). If I did not use a box with an attic (over the cab portion) I would build that same feature into the wall so I had a full size bunk over the nose of the comp jeep..... and if its a taller box, probably a collapsable full bunk over head in the front of the box, use a futon and i have a jackknife couch/full bed so i could ultimately sleep 6.

18k miles on the books for next season.... priority is to comfort for friends/crew down the road and squeeking out mileage, most often will run 75 unless on backroads.

Is the 5 speed an OD unit? what's the 5th gear ratio? 4.33 and a 33-34" tire will result in too high an rpm, especially for a cummins.

I've got this build, Yager's and Travis' to go by.....

Maybe I could find a uhaul lower box and put it on an air ride cab and chassi with the right rear end gear and decent power (800 ft lbs or so).

In a pinch I might haul another rig on a tag trailer to the races far away to pool fuel costs

[snookwheel]

GotoGuy, Sounds like a project ahead of you. If you are considering using a Uhaul like mine for a starting platform, then the below info. may be of use for your questions re the transmission/axles etc. It's from the original build sheet. I cut most the 'crap' out but left some in re brakes, suspension etc. But if you want the whole build sheet, pm me and I'll email it to you. It has a LOT of info.

3 FRONT AXLES 0002101 0002101 AXLE, FRONT NON-DRIVING {Spicer I-75} 7,500-lb Capacity

4 FRONT SUSPENSIONS 0003AAD 0003AAD SPRINGS, FRONT Parabolic, 8,000-lb Capacity

5 REAR AXLES, SUSPENSIONS 0003SAA 0003SAA SUSPENSION, REAR, AIR, SINGLE {International} 17,500-lb Capacity, 3.6" Ride Height, With Air Reservoir, Dump Control and Shock Absorbers, Use With Hydraulic Brakes

6 BRAKES 0004RMA 0004RMA AIR COMPRESSOR {Midland EL-850} Use with Air-Suspension and with Hydraulic Brakes

7 BRAKES 0004040 0004040 BRAKE SYSTEM, HYDRAULIC {Bosch Hydro-Max II} Split System, with Automatic Adjustment

8 BRAKES 0004144 0004144 BRAKES, FRONT, HYDRAULIC DISC {Bosch} 15.00" x 1.44" Rotors; Dual 2.60" Diam. Pistons

9 BRAKES 0004237 0004237 BRAKES, REAR, HYDRAULIC DISC {Bosch} 15.00" x 1.44" Rotors; Dual 2.60" Diam. Pistons

10 BRAKES 0004519 0004519 BRAKE, PARKING {Bosch} DDM Type, 9" x 3"


31 CLUTCH 0011266 0011266 CLUTCH {Eaton Fuller AR-350MM} Single Plate, Angle Ring; Ceramic, 14" (350mm) Diameter, Push-Type Control, 520 lb-ft Torque Capacity

36 TRANSMISSION 0013245 0013245 TRANSMISSION, MANUAL {Spicer ES42-5A} 5-Speed Manual

37 REAR AXLES, SUSPENSIONS 0014029 0014029 AXLE, REAR, SINGLE {Spicer F155-S} Single Reduction 15,500-lb Capacity, With 170 Wheel Ends

38 FUEL TANKS 0015SAB 0015SAB FUEL TANK Rectangular, Steel, 51 U.S. Gal., 42 Imp. Gal., 193 L Capacity (RT); With Center Step, Chained Cap and Anti-Siphon. Raised 1.0"

48 WHEELS, TIRES - FRONT 0027DNA 0027DNA WHEELS, FRONT DISC; 19.5" Painted Steel, 4 Hand Hole, 8-Stud (275 MM BC) Hub Piloted, Flanged Nut, Metric Mount, 6.75 DC Rims; With Steel Hubs

49 WHEELS, TIRES - REAR 0028DNA 0028DNA WHEELS, REAR DUAL DISC; 19.5" Painted Steel, 4 Hand Hole, 8-Stud (275 MM BC) Hub Piloted, Flanged Nut, Metric Mount, 6.75 DC Rims; With Steel Hubs

61 TRANSMISSION 0813WAH 0813WAH TRANSMISSION SHIFT LEVER Revised to Accommodate Third Passenger

62 MISC 0814WAC 0814WAC AXLE, REAR, SPECIAL TRIMMED {Spicer CODE 14029} Rear Axle Completely Trimmed For U-Haul Chassis.

[Go2Guy]

thanks snook.... I'll see if I can mate that tranny to a cummins.... what rpm at 70 mh with your setup? Is the axle ratio specified anywhere?

[yager]

IMHO if your looking to make a toter and DO plan to swap engine and tranny the Uhaul trucks (International chassis) would make a great starting point. With a stronger engine (5.9) and an OD NV5600 you will be golden with the current rear axle ratio.. Pulling the 65-75 would be doable.

My .02 on the divider wall would be to do one of 2 things.
1) not put a door into the storage area. Even with sealed walls and venting odors still seemed to filter into the front area when the jeep was in the box. Nothing overpowering but detecatable. Put a second door to the outside.
2) If you did put a door into the back, put it AND the main entry door in the same corner, sharing the same 'foor print'. I found that even having the door 24" to the side wasted a ton of wall/floor space. There wasn't a ton of room to open the door all the way anyways, having it in the corner would be the best use of space...

Id find the uhaul for a few reasons, over hang atic (as you mentioned) lower overall heighth, its still plenty of room to park inside. Many cool features (listed above) special to the uhauls.
It would be very difficult and time consuming to add an overhang onto an existing box. The strength of the overhang comes from it being one continuous piece of FRP front to back.

IF you ended up with a commercial box truck that was a little taller, Id make the front part sloped and simply look to make more of a loft split level type layout.

If your swaping motor/trans.. IMHO your market should be wide open as thats where many are lacking..

start your own thread and post some pics :flipoff2:

[yager]

oh ya the rear on the uhaul is 4.33s

[Go2Guy]

Look for a thread after the holidays....

2001 8100 Intl
ISM cummins, 10.8 litre, 1050 ftlbs- the lowest rating, may turn it up
excellent rubber
air ride
26' box
fuller 10 speed.... need more practice sticking the gears
nice gearing.... 1800 at 75 mph (needs speed limiter bumped- did the math) 3.91 with .74 od
air ride driver's seat
seems to ride as well as the toter did
4k lift gate which I may keep to do front axle then rear axle

will finish front for LQ and build a wall with either a low birth (Jeep front on top) or high birth (over jeep hood) for queen air mattress.

will get a cab cutout, futon, a couple suspension seats, microwave.... and in time shower, full toilet (porta potty for now), under boxes, dvd player, another swing down birth ala toy box.

Taller than the uhaul, 4' to deck and 8' high box but an acceptable tradeoff for power and gearing imho, will put the attic on the inside for sleeping

oh... the twin to this truck is on ebay now

edit.... in AR, I can get it converted and tagged as an rv esaily to deal with the 33k gvwr and air brakes.... same as my toterhome was.

my 28' H&H enclosed trailer will be for sale:)

[snookwheel]

Very nice rig! Post pics of the progress. That power and gearing will make the mountain driving a 'non event.' With the Uhaul, I am down shifting and floored getting up some of the grades.

[Ragged_ol_86]

Could you show pics of how you plumbed in the tanks and sink please? Awesome job. Im in the process of trying to get a ford van cab box truck for hauling 4 wheelers.

[snookwheel]

Sorry so long in responding. I have not checked the thread for a while. I installed a water tank under the work bench and plumbed in a 12v water pump with a shut off valve.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/CIMG0133.jpg

Then I ran a Tee to the external water hook up, again with a valve so I could isolate either the external water inlet or the tank.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/CIMG0134.jpg


I also added a Tee to run a line into the Hot Water heater.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_2780.jpg

I will post some better shots of the actual connections when I get home in a couple days. As far as the sink drain, I cheaped out. I put an 8 gallon tank under the sink that I have to take out to empty. I will be putting a 20 gal tank with a drain valve under the frame one of these days.

On another subject.... another motor-head sport has invaded the Krawler Hauler's world. Time for some go fast fun that dictated some changes:

Longer ramps, some inside ramps to get up onto the wheel humps and a Solo Vee hauler is born!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/P1000869.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/P1000922.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/P1000916.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/VeeBrooksville2-08.jpg

A short test/tune run:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgXKSpM_Jjk

She's now a Hybrid Hauler!:grinpimp:

[SSSRodeo]

Dammit, now you went and did it. My wife is gonna kill you when she hear's I've got the Autocross Bug again.
That was so nice a set up. I used to run a "D" sports racer in our local parking lot races. It was a LOT of fun, but not cheap. My neighbor was Regional Champion for 5 years running. His Lotus Elan would fly.
I actually have all the pieces to build another. Maybe someday. I've still got my little aluminum car trailer, Even the susppension is still up in the attic.
I talked the wife into buying a 99 Miata for that purpose, but she caught on before I could get the cage mounted in it.:laughing:
The Hauler is turning out super. Keep posting with the updates.

Curtis

[snookwheel]

Thanks. It is a blast!! And around here, there is an event almost any time you get the urge to run. I did have to do another mod other than just the ramps. I cut a notch in the bottom of the work bench and added a wireless remote control 3K winch in case I need to haul the car up into the box.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/P1000819-1.jpg

Dive back into it! PS. Tell your wife I'm sorry:laughing:

[MT4Runner]

24' Haulmark, towing with '08 Tundra 5.7

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/P1010753.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/P1010711.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/P1010677.jpg

The Krawler Hauler is looking sold... :( It'll probably be gone by next week
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/snookwheel/100_3225.jpg

Nooo!!!! :eek: First Yager, then you. Somebody's gotta carry the torch. :flipoff2:

How did it do towing the 2nd rig?
Would it handle a 2-place behind the camper?
Did you keep the factory 2" ball or upgrade to 2 5/16"?
Did you add a brake controller?

Thank you for the inspiration :beer: for my Toterhome--I hope your new setup works out well for you.

[mbryson]

Look for a thread after the holidays....

2001 8100 Intl
ISM cummins, 10.8 litre, 1050 ftlbs- the lowest rating, may turn it up
excellent rubber
air ride
26' box
fuller 10 speed.... need more practice sticking the gears
nice gearing.... 1800 at 75 mph (needs speed limiter bumped- did the math) 3.91 with .74 od
air ride driver's seat
seems to ride as well as the toter did
4k lift gate which I may keep to do front axle then rear axle

will finish front for LQ and build a wall with either a low birth (Jeep front on top) or high birth (over jeep hood) for queen air mattress.

will get a cab cutout, futon, a couple suspension seats, microwave.... and in time shower, full toilet (porta potty for now), under boxes, dvd player, another swing down birth ala toy box.

Taller than the uhaul, 4' to deck and 8' high box but an acceptable tradeoff for power and gearing imho, will put the attic on the inside for sleeping

oh... the twin to this truck is on ebay now

edit.... in AR, I can get it converted and tagged as an rv esaily to deal with the 33k gvwr and air brakes.... same as my toterhome was.

my 28' H&H enclosed trailer will be for sale:)


Ken, have you got an updated thread on this rig? I thought the toter would be the "bomb", but I guess not?

[MT4Runner]

Ken, have you got an updated thread on this rig? I thought the toter would be the "bomb", but I guess not?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=641758

[mbryson]

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=641758


:homer: DOH:homer:

[snookwheel]

Hey MT4Runner. Glad you are keeping the Uhaul torch light:smokin:

It towed the second rig without any problem at all. I don't know that I would tow a double though. Some of the steep grades may become a problem. I never changed the 2" ball to a 2 6/16. Also never added a brake controller. Those trucks have huge brakes on them and I never had any problems.

I sold it a couple weeks ago &@$%*. Already miss it. I gave a real good deal to a fellow offroader who will continue to use it for it's built purpose. He showed up in a built TJ, climbed it into the truck and drove off.

The new truck / trailer works great, but it's not a Krawler Hauler.... just plain vanilla without soul. I'll probably end up building another 'hauler' down the road. Good luck with yours & keep posting pics of the progress.


Nooo!!!! :eek: First Yager, then you. Somebody's gotta carry the torch. :flipoff2:

How did it do towing the 2nd rig?
Would it handle a 2-place behind the camper?
Did you keep the factory 2" ball or upgrade to 2 5/16"?
Did you add a brake controller?

Thank you for the inspiration :beer: for my Toterhome--I hope your new setup works out well for you.