Well heres the deal some of you guys know im TRY to do a power steering on my fj40 with the stock 2f well my Q could I use the bracket that man-a-fre sell and use a amc pump ????????


Thanks for the help
Eric

Heres some pics

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/fj40forlife/4plussagbrkt.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/fj40forlife/7f_1.jpg


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With a bit of work, you cna use the stock smog pump bracket and make that pump work........or I think from the looks of your pix it will work with the MAF bracket

This bracket

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/fj40forlife/IMG_7568.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/fj40forlife/IMG_7569.jpg

Well is anyone have that set up with the amc pump on the manafre bracket

did you try contacting manafree about this like i suggested in my pm???

Yes I did they where close so i sent a email to them


Does anyone eles know if it well work


Thanks
Eric

Or should I just try to find any 350 engine steering boxs ?

Have you checked out this one?

From Mark's Off Road

http://www.marksoffroad.net/specials/Specials.html

I used that bracket, but it requires the early long neck chevy pump. You can get that from any parts place. Then I went and got a 2 groove pulley from the chevy dealership to use too. IIRC, I have the p/n's down at my buddies where I keep the cruiser. Hope that helps some.

Its a better price but Idk if it well fit a amc power steering boxs

Was that Mark's or MAF's that you used, Arron?

Was that Mark's or MAF's that you used, Arron?

Well i havent got the pump yet so I could go with a chevy or a amc pump wish one do you guys think i should get ?

MAF's, sorry I had diaper duty during my message.

Well i havent got the pump yet so I could go with a chevy or a amc pump wish one do you guys think i should get ?
don't know that it matters.. I've never had issues, but I run a cheap MAF p/s cooler. Need to get one of Georg's one of these days:smokin:

don't know that it matters.. I've never had issues, but I run a cheap MAF p/s cooler. Need to get one of Georg's one of these days:smokin:

Ya im going to get that cooler to pretty cheap

You have a chevy pump rigth >

Yeah the early long neck style. There's a couple different styles out there. Ask the counter guy to flop open his book, and look for the early long oval style. I'll see if I can round up those p/n's for ya tomorrow. I also have the pressure hose # I used that all you have to do is open up the 90* end a little.

What kind of truck did you take that pump from

Like I mentioned, I just went into the local Kragen's and had the guy pull open his catalog and look for it. I'll see what p/n's I find for ya tomorrow.

I used atsco 7095 pump 93 chevy truck 1 return line
motor mite pully 300-122
42263 crome universal alt arm bracket... "performance section" this and above from auto zone
marks bracket (from mark of course)
georg's bracket and made scab plates that were the Butch Built style with the 4 bolt 4 trn box
all the shaft stuff from kurt at cruiser outfitters
and still looking for a flat 7 pitman arm thats less than $1oo.

if you can find a pump and bracket from a chevy 250 six, it looks like its going to bolt right up to the smog bracket for me.

Well since the bid ended and man-a-fre never contact me back should I just go to the junk yard and find one ???

I used atsco 7095 pump 93 chevy truck 1 return line
motor mite pully 300-122
42263 crome universal alt arm bracket... "performance section" this and above from auto zone
marks bracket (from mark of course)
georg's bracket and made scab plates that were the Butch Built style with the 4 bolt 4 trn box
all the shaft stuff from kurt at cruiser outfitters
and still looking for a flat 7 pitman arm thats less than $1oo.

Look at the late model Wagoneers from the 70's. I have a 77 wagoneer pitman arm, that is 7"s long with a 1/2" drop.

Look at the late model Wagoneers from the 70's. I have a 77 wagoneer pitman arm, that is 7"s long with a 1/2" drop.

What bracket are you useing ?

Look at the late model Wagoneers from the 70's. I have a 77 wagoneer pitman arm, that is 7"s long with a 1/2" drop.

Thanks, didnt know about thaT! I think I can get away with the 1/2 drop.

What bracket are you useing ?

I think you really have three options (not including of the chev 6 bracket tho)

the maf style which you have to unbolt 2 head bolts but does adjust out of the box

marks bracket--my tensioner i made was like $10. i couldnt be happier.

william dory's bracket. seems like a tensioner is included, but i've never really seen it in person or up close but there are some pics here: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/wdorry/my_photos his e-mail is wdorry at yahoo.com

mike

or, mod the smog pump. you cant really see how it all works till you get there and have the smog bracket and set the pump next to it. I guess I tend to figure stuff out when its infront of me and I see what im doing.

Well tommor im maybe heading to the junk yard if i get the time what should i look for in a pump Well any chevy truck pump work and should i get the hose and stuff

IF im messing something just tell me or what I should look for

Well tommor im maybe heading to the junk yard if i get the time what should i look for in a pump Well any chevy truck pump work and should i get the hose and stuff

IF im messing something just tell me or what I should look for

Get the hoses with ends on it if possible. You will need the ends when you make your hydraulic hose.

I have done this two different ways.

On a '72 FJ40 I used the complete power steering pump and brackets from a '73 IH scout. It was easy to fab up because the scout bracket is real simple. For the steering box I used one from a late 70's jeep pickup.

On a 78 FJ40 I was able to modify a Chevy S10 power steering pump & brackets to work in the old location of the smog pump. For that conversion I used the matching ps box.

Both swaps required me to have custom hoses built. Fortunately we have a tubes & hoses distributor right here in my small town.

Get the hoses with ends on it if possible. You will need the ends when you make your hydraulic hose.

Okay thanks for the help ill try to get them

Anything else I should get while im out there

I was looking at man-a-fre, Do I need to get a new pulley? heres the link


http://www.man-a-fre.com/parts_accessories/saginawwidebeltpulley.htm

or $23.99 at auto zone. 300-122 pn. less bling though

Got the pump

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/fj40forlife/IMG_7579.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/fj40forlife/IMG_7577.jpg


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/fj40forlife/IMG_7576.jpg

And ill be ordeing the bracket and the cooler tommor from man-a-fre

or $23.99 at auto zone. 300-122 pn. less bling though

Ya but do I realy need it or could I use the on that came on the pump

looks like a pulley from a serpentine to me. look at that one, then the harmonic balancer and you should get the idea. Totally different, it will not work.

So when I got home ups truck came and drop so stuff off


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Got the brackets and all from Georg

Hey I have a WRANGLER pitman arm and I need to know what kind of tierod do I need to use I have a stock drag link and everything

If not what kind of pitman arm do you guys use and tie rod

Well heres the deal I mostly got everything I need I think

Heres the parts I have

Pump
Pulley
cooler
box
pitman arm (need to be change)
All the bracket for the boxs
MAF pump bracket
And a Pillow Block Bearing that I order and should be on there way


Things that I need Hoses
Belt
Fittings
Tie-rod
Shaft
And could anyone think of something else I may need?

And for the shaft, I been looking arould sor.com downey, MAF and ect And alot of them cost alot

So I need help on where I could get a pretty good deal on a shaft

You'll have to change that serpentine pulley to another press-on pulley that uses a v groove belt. The aluminum pulley from MAF will not work as it is a bolt-on pulley that uses a key and nut to hold it in place. The GM pump came in two different shaft configurations. One uses a pressed on pulley and the other uses a bolt-on pulley that is keyed to prevent rotational slippage. There are also two different mating configurations for the high pressure output port. One is 45 flare and the other is metric o-ring.

Ya I got the pulley


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/fj40forlife/IMG_7689.jpg

Sorry to get to this so late, I was entirely to busy to gather all the paperwork together. So here's what I've got for you or maybe the next cruiser head:

Power steering 2f bracket number from BTB Products(Actually bought it from Advance Adapters) AA p/n#716842, BTB p/n# 40-4152
You can use any saginaw kit, I bought mine from AA, but in the future would get 1 from Orangefj45(Georg);) AA p/n# 716839
The pump I got from Kragen, but any supplier can cross their p/n, p/n# 206084. It's the long neck oval style.
Based on what steering column you use(I used a Ford 3/4 double D) I got the following collapsible shaft from AA, p/n#716862 w/ the univ. joint 3/4dd p/n# 716849.
The double groove pulley I used I bought direct from the Chevy dealership, p/n# 3941107
The pressure hose I used I got from Kragen as well, Powercraft p/n# 70273. Keep in mind, I had to open the bends on each end a little. Otherwise, it came out perfect.
My belt runs around the alternator/ water pump/ crank/ and then the power steering pump. Napa Premium XL Belt 25 p/n# 7520
I'll get pics of all this later if needed,
Campy:cool2:

Thanks for the list, Only thing I need now is ummm


Steering shaft,belt (I think im going to run it from the crank to water to pump), and a hose


AS for the things idk yet is what kind of tie rod to use and pitman arm

Eric

Steering shaft, like I mentioned, I got mine from Advance Adapters. I'm sure there are probably other vendors around that'll have it, but that/'s where I bought it from.
Belt, take a string and run it around all the pulleys. Make sure that the power steering and so forth are not fully adjusted out for tension. That way you could always tighten up on them. Take that string into your local parts place and get the right belt. Also make sure to get the appropriate v-groove thickness. Maybe take another older belt w/ you for this.
Hose, I gave you the number for that. Like I mentioned though, I opened up the bends a bit to make it work. For that, my buddy has a tubing bender for brake lines and such.
I used a jeep pitman arm and had a local shop re-tap my link to fit. Then the guy sleeved the whole arm to make it more stout. Check my build thread in the initial pictures at the start for what I'm talking about.
You should consider a cooler, Orangefj45 has a pretty trick style that he sells. Havn't tried them yet, I run el-cheapo from Man-A-Fre. Still it helps.

Good luck, you're almost there,
Campy:cool2:

Ya heres what i got from my pitman arm it has a 2 in drop, its 7 1/2 long. the hole for the tie rod is 1 1/2 mm, and the stock one is about 1 1/4 mm soo what do I need to do for tie rod. I dont think im going to use that pitman arm (I think is to much drop, I only have a soa)


Edit: and I pick up one of does man-a-fre coolers as well

yeah, I think that will be too much drop. have you put the pitman arm on the box, and mouted it up, or are you in the process of gathering all parts before you start the install?

Nooo the pitman arm came with the boxs Mike. Im just getting all the parts first BEFORE I drill a 3 in hole in my crossmeber :grinpimp:

Nooo the pitman arm came with the boxs Mike. Im just getting all the parts first BEFORE I drill a 3 in hole in my crossmeber :grinpimp:

get some cutting oil and dont hold the drill too tight when you drill your cross member. ask me how I know. i used my buddies milwaukee and with a 3" hole saw its pretty brutal--go slow.

What kind of hole saw you use, and How do you know where to drill lol

Or you could always use a Hole Hawg w/ a hole saw. That I know about. Just make sure yet again to take it slow and oiled. If you could, use the side handle piched up against the frame rail. That way it wouldn't spin your wrist off.

Well heres a link of everything I got rigth now

http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/8889/50002#content

I just need to oader the steering shaft

Edit:I think im getting it from Downey off-road or Cruiser Outfitters


Eric

http://www.supermotors.net/vehicles/registry/media/400024

im I going to need to cut off some of the bracket. because the spring hager ?

Ya I got the pulley


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e84/fj40forlife/IMG_7689.jpg
Whats the part number of that pulley? I assume that the belt goes on the front groove of the crank pulley. Could you PM me with the info. Thanks

get your stuff from curt @ cruiseroutfitters. he supports this board a lot and has helped numerous people on here, including me.:)

get your stuff from curt @ cruiseroutfitters. he supports this board a lot and has helped numerous people on here, including me.:)

Ya georg thats where im going to get my steering shaft part from, thats pretty much what I need. But the only problem is I cant buy thes shaft rigth now, Becasue I just got some new tires :D But I couldn't let that deal go away lol

Now Im sitting on 35 mtrs on longfield beadlocks :grinpimp:


Eric

Whats the part number of that pulley? I assume that the belt goes on the front groove of the crank pulley. Could you PM me with the info. Thanks

Ya It goes on the front groove part of the crank, Ill send you the part # . just have to look for it, And i think the belt has to be a bit tiner to fit in


Eric

that's a great tire and wheel combo. hard to beat MTRs for all around usage.

that's a great tire and wheel combo. hard to beat MTRs for all around usage.
Georg, that buddy of mine still has those from the Stockton swap:D

that's a great tire and wheel combo. hard to beat MTRs for all around usage.

Ya thats what I heard to. We well see after its back on the road lol, But I looks way better then does 31s I had on it now it fills in the wheelwell gap



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