Hey whats up the names miller Im new to the boards I have a 2004 Superduty. I have a 6.5" lift on it and want to add 3.5" shackles. I got an estimate of around 700$ to get these things installed. is that a rip off because I saw that FabTech makes them for 350$ but im not including labor or anything that might have to be done to the steering. If anything at all? Is this a good cheap way to clear bigger meats? or should i just go with 10" springs?
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http://myspace-564.vo.llnwd.net/00725/46/50/725660564_l.jpg

I don't know shit, but are you saying they are going to charge $700 to just install shackles?:nuke:

OutTheDoor is goin to be 700? yeah please tell me someone can get a better deal and install them for cheaper... the fabtechs are are listed around 350-400 just for the shackles though...

to get your truck 3.5 inches higher, your gonna have to use shackles that are 7 inches longer than what you have now. thats gettin pretty long. i made a set of shackles out of scrap steel last week, cost me less than $15 and an afternoon. as with any suspension modification, there are gonna be issues with steering and handling. the is no good AND cheap way to clear bigger tires. you can have one or the other.

so your sayin a 3.5" drop will not actually be that much of a lift?

They aren't shackles. It's new hangers that offer 3.5" of lift.

700's not a terrible price when you consider how much most shops charge per hour. But I bet you could find it cheaper if you shopped around.

My advice: find the used Fabtech hangers on eBay and install them yourself. It'll probably take 2 hours tops.

The dealer cost on the 3.5" kit is about 340 for 99-00 and 440 for 01-04.

Belive it or not, installing those hangers is a fawkin bitch.. Maybe not a $350 bitch but close to it. We might install them for around $200. Too bad youre 500 miles away.:flipoff2:

o ok I gotcha Hangers are different then shackles.. so the fabtech hangers will make the truck up at a 10"? I can prob just install them at my neighbors house since he works for snap-on... haha But does anything else need to be done to run the truck up that high like(drivelines, steering, new shocks?)

I'd guess your driveshafts would be alirght....I could be wrong. I'd get new shocks....or if you arent' gonna flex it alot drop the mounting points. You might be able to let out the tie rods ends a little on your drag link.

You've already wasted a perfectly good truck, why beat a dead horse?

Lift kits on tow rigs are silly.:shaking:

You've already wasted a perfectly good truck, why beat a dead horse?

Lift kits on tow rigs are silly.:shaking:

O thanx man just cuz your bronco's are strictly wheelers doesnt mean its better then my truck.. just bc i was asking a question your goin to clown my rig? what a fucker That truck is my life bro and it stands for everything I have worked for... so next time you make fun of someone else's nice superduty(just bc they dont have a p.o.s with dents in every panel wheeler) maybe your well off, maybe not but dont go make fun of a nice fucking rig with clear coat on it still... I mean you see full size trucks everyday lifted get used to it(imo they wheel better also in some places). I mean your going to make fun of me? most trucks you see are lifted bro(thats y i want it higher then the rest)... plus this rig has enough power to tow with huge meats also. and the truck sees dirt very much since i live in the mountains... so how is it a waste? daily driver, wheeler, bike transporter, and tow machine... yeah idiot sounds like a waste to me.... I actually use it.. your right man what a waste

to anyone who has helped me on this site thankyou for your info helps me out alot. So new shocks are def needed unless i run some limiting straps for the time being? Bc I want to get some 3.5" kings but are so much $$$

If it was me, I would put on the size tires you want an check for clearance issues, and then if you need more room I would buy a set of Bushwacker cut-out fender flares and install them. No reason to get an even higher COG. Nice truck BTW.

That is a good idea except I dont like the way they look on fords...chevys- bushwacks look sick, dodges- chill fords just look to much unless your running like 46's. I have a lil rubbing right now so a 10" lift height should be perf.... for fouties and dubskies

just push your tires out with wheel back spacing and trim some. you're getting to the point where the truck is sooooo tall that it makes the tires look small. the tire should fill up the wheel well IMO

and by the way. if you post on this kind of board with that kind of truck you're going to get ragged on. you should expect that from the get go. you're truck looks nice, but you have to admit that a truck with 10+ inches of lift isn't all that useful and is rather unstable.

point taken for sure but I wouldnt go say its a waste. The lift will be a lil tall but thats what im goin for... i mean its a fullsize! and it is still usefull for wheelin in the mountains and going to Hollister I have fun with it. It will always mob through shit that all my buddies rigs cant make it through then i have to pull em out go figure :)

It will always mob through shit that all my buddies rigs cant make it through then i have to pull em out go figure :)

your buddies rigs must suck



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you must suck



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Fixed it!

haha fawkers... lets go P. and ranger I bet ill make it past ur heaps anyday anyday lol

Ok now I know that i suck...:) but can we please stay on topic?

where are your tires rubing? you can only go so big and they will still rub on the springs when you turn.

O thanx man just cuz your bronco's are strictly wheelers doesnt mean its better then my truck.. just bc i was asking a question your goin to clown my rig? what a fucker That truck is my life bro and it stands for everything I have worked for... so next time you make fun of someone else's nice superduty(just bc they dont have a p.o.s with dents in every panel wheeler) maybe your well off, maybe not but dont go make fun of a nice fucking rig with clear coat on it still...

dude, shut the fuck up. you can't come on and a post one message without expecting to be shat on. and then you have the nerve to get pissed?? towrigs with 10" of lift ARE gay.

so pay $700 dollars, go back down to the mall, and try to pickup some more jr. high girls.

Nice truck, but its too high as it is. Sooooooo reach down grab your manhood and make a real choice. Go to the local Home Depot and buy a sawzall for $100 and cut some steel. After that posts some pics with the bigger tires not rubbing anything and we'll quit ragging on your "shackle idea".

17$ f550 spring hangars
12$ 1/4 plate to box in my stock shackles (im still learning welding, but it gets the job done!)
20$ in grade 8 hardware.

Thats what i did to lift my rear and eliminate my stacked blocks that came on the truck :D http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/monav58/f550shackle.jpg i loaded my truck up and played around a bit and nothing failed.

dude, shut the fuck up. you can't come on and a post one message without expecting to be shat on. and then you have the nerve to get pissed?? towrigs with 10" of lift ARE gay.

so pay $700 dollars, go back down to the mall, and try to pickup some more jr. high girls.
Lol dude just out of curiousity what color is your truck? :shaking:
I can get pissed if I want its my thread and he called my rig useless when its more versitile then most other gay suv's and trucks today...
plus your gay haha those chicks at the mall are making fun of you bc your a hick....:flipoff2:

Nice truck, but its too high as it is. Sooooooo reach down grab your manhood and make a real choice. Go to the local Home Depot and buy a sawzall for $100 and cut some steel. After that posts some pics with the bigger tires not rubbing anything and we'll quit ragging on your "shackle idea".
I have tools dont worry about that.... but cutting a fender on an expensive 04 superduty is kinda foolish maybe even more then putting it up 10"

i can think of few things as foolish as lifting a superduty 10". trimming the fenders is def. not one of those. just cause you cut the fenders doesn't mean it has to look like ass. if you do it right and put something on the edges to finish it off it can look like it came that way.

you need to go to pavementsucks.com. That board is all about fullsize "wheelers". They should be able to help you out

the is no good AND cheap way to clear bigger tires. you can have one or the other.



really?


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=250457&stc=1&d=1150582642

cheap (free)
and clears 38's, no rubbing!
3 inches total lift and 38's. :smokin:

its called........... wait for it............





































cutting the fenders.


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=250458&stc=1&d=1150582642



hack them som'bitches!

really?


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=250457&stc=1&d=1150582642

cheap (free)
and clears 38's, no rubbing!
3 inches total lift and 38's. :smokin:

its called........... wait for it............





































cutting the fenders.


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=250458&stc=1&d=1150582642



hack them som'bitches!

nice work looks great! But theres a difference cutting off a 1980's F-150 fenders and a brand new 2004. its a nice truck with resale value unlike all these "wheelers" this is all I got. but once again cutting fenders on superdutys is ghey does not look astetically correct (especially with waynes bumper on there) prove me wrong though post some pics...! but I have never seen a nice superduty with hacked fenders even with the bushwacks are ugly as hell. I would rather just go with new 3" fiberglass fenders. for a 4x4 site I am kind of disapointed thought there would be more knowledge around here (thanks to the smart people who helped me out lol):( lifting superdutys is def not a waste some are just bein haters and its kinda annoying... what other truck you know about that COMES STOCK with leafs and a straight axle! I mean my trucks built. i can pull out the "wheelers" that always break down in the mud or trail.... mine never dies!:flipoff2:
Cutting fenders Is nothing new to me though... I had an XJ where I thoguht the application needed it to clear 33's and it turned out awesome
I mean its not like im trying to go through the rubicon with it I just like to have fun in the dirt (gettin crunk with buddies) and that truck has seen some pretty sick shit. And when I say that I dont mean just some gay hillclimb like most of these posers you see beatin the crap out of there truck just bc they have no knowledge/ experience with the correct lines to take. trust me it wheels..."parenthesis" or not

nice work looks great! But theres a difference cutting off a 1980's F-150 fenders and a brand new 2004. its a nice truck with resale value unlike all these "wheelers" this is all I got. but once again cutting fenders on superdutys is ghey does not look astetically correct (especially with waynes bumper on there) prove me wrong though post some pics...! but I have never seen a nice superduty with hacked fenders even with the bushwacks are ugly as hell. I would rather just go with new 3" fiberglass fenders. for a 4x4 site I am kind of disapointed thought there would be more knowledge around here (thanks to the smart people who helped me out lol):( lifting superdutys is def not a waste some are just bein haters and its kinda annoying... what other truck you know about that COMES STOCK with leafs and a straight axle! I mean my trucks built. i can pull out the "wheelers" that always break down in the mud or trail.... mine never dies!:flipoff2:
Cutting fenders Is nothing new to me though... I had an XJ where I thoguht the application needed it to clear 33's and it turned out awesome
I mean its not like im trying to go through the rubicon with it I just like to have fun in the dirt (gettin crunk with buddies) and that truck has seen some pretty sick shit. And when I say that I dont mean just some gay hillclimb like most of these posers you see beatin the crap out of there truck just bc they have no knowledge/ experience with the correct lines to take. trust me it wheels..."parenthesis" or not
Well dont go saying there isnt alot of knowledge around here because its comments like that that make people not want to help you. I am positive that those wheelers probly arent that hardcore, because I dont think some superduty is gonna outperform a good built mud truck.

and learn some grammar. my head hurts from reading the longest run-on paragraph evar

since when does grammer matter on a 4x4 site :shaking: thanks Halo for your post it was def helpful sorry it was hard to read though I was typing pretty fast
I was just saying there are more haters then knowledge wasnt bashing the site at all.

Well dont go saying there isnt alot of knowledge around here because its comments like that that make people not want to help you. I am positive that those wheelers probly arent that hardcore, because I dont think some superduty is gonna outperform a good built mud truck.
a good(grammer) built mud truck? so how hardcore are you bro ? you must be pretty serious to say somethin as foolish as this....
if you read my run on paragraph a couple more times maybe you would have figured out that Im not clowning anybody who has information but I dont like people who just post their two cents
watch out this guys "hardcorer then me":rolleyes:
please no more posts that have nothin to do with the topic...

a good(grammer) built mud truck?


You spelled "GRAMMAR" wrong. Lifting anything 10" is gay. You aren't going to wheel a Superduty with 44's and a foot of fender clearance. If you ever do, you be back on this site asking for advice on how to avoid the $250 unit bearing replacement on each side.


Just be honest and say you want to look tough in downtown Walnut Creek cruising for chicks.

listen it all boils down to this: listen wisely.

do you want to wheel the truck?
cut the fenders

do you want to try to get bitches at the mall?
lift it.


function before flash my friend.

What size tires are you shooting for? Those unit bearings won't hold up to bigger tires (or even stock tires, for that matter:flipoff2: ). Go to pavement sucks. They all have this type of truck.
On another note. This seems to be a popular option. Its a mini spring pack that bolts on to your existing springs. Cheap and easy
http://www.offroadwarehouse.com/Store_ViewProdDetail.asp!ProdID!12505

You spelled "GRAMMAR" wrong. Lifting anything 10" is gay. You aren't going to wheel a Superduty with 44's and a foot of fender clearance. If you ever do, you be back on this site asking for advice on how to avoid the $250 unit bearing replacement on each side.


Just be honest and say you want to look tough in downtown Walnut Creek cruising for chicks.
this helps alot! exactly what I wanted to know I dont want to fuck anything up on the rig... but i mean who the fuck cares if I spel gram-the-fucker wrong :flipoff2: 10 inch isnt huge? lol i wouldnt fit 44's either I just want forties... I see it done all the time how do i beef up the unit bearings... are you talkin ball joints? I dont understand? but yeah I eventually hope to put on hydro assist to turn the big meats with ease would this fix the problem?

I want it to drive perfect on the highway and ifs its not possible i wont do it. I love just going on road trips also taking it to about 90mph(top speedlimiter) with ease, It has to drive well. plus all my buddies got the bump in the trunk for the chicas... I wouldnt want to pimp my shit bc I have no sterio or subs for walnut creek. My priorities is to build up more important shit to me. i wish I had the $$$ though anyone want to give me 10K for a system? ill let them pimp the chicks withme i guess? lol:laughing:

I want it to drive perfect on the highway and ifs its not possible i wont do it. I love just going on road trips also taking it to about 90mph(top speedlimiter) with ease, It has to drive well. plus all my buddies got the bump in the trunk for the chicas... I wouldnt want to pimp my shit bc I have no sterio or subs for walnut creek. My priorities is to build up more important shit to me. i wish I had the $$$ though anyone want to give me 10K for a system? ill let them pimp the chicks withme i guess? lol:laughing:
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dude, your on yer own. your not listening.
good luck.

you want 40's to drive perfect? get in line.

a good(grammer) built mud truck? so how hardcore are you bro ? you must be pretty serious to say somethin as foolish as this....
if you read my run on paragraph a couple more times maybe you would have figured out that Im not clowning anybody who has information but I dont like people who just post their two cents
watch out this guys "hardcorer then me":rolleyes:
please no more posts that have nothin to do with the topic...
Well if the sentences are readable then I will usually read them. If I have to reread the first three sentences over and over trying to make sense of it I dont even bother. Kind of like what everyone is doing and I will now be doing to you. :flipoff2:

your foolish if you dont think you can make 40's drive straight. I have 37's and it drives better then stock. I mean it is a new truck not a beater I was listening but your not listening 2 me when I say no on cuting the fenders end of story... not happining no way no how
im not bashing the site dont get me wrong just the haters man:cool2:

I'm still struggling with half of what he's saying.

I guess I'm just too far out of touch with inner city lingo, none of the crap that he's typing is intelligible.


You'll never get it to drive worth a damn being that tall. No matter what you do. It'll be a deathtrap at highway speeds.

Forget balancing tires that large, it's not going to happen, no matter what manufacturer you choose.

If you think it takes 10K to build up a respectable stereo, you've got more dollars than sense. That's obscene.

Cut the damn fenders. If you don't like the Bushwhackers, look for some Warflares from Wild Horses.


As for your attitude here, you came to an extreme rockcrawling site seeking advice, and get uppity about your poseur rig when folks give advice on the correct way to do things.

A word to the wise:
Keep it up, and sooner or later you'll find yourself in the band, that kind of crap isn't tolerated here for long.

Another thing:

As for all the dents in my rig, they sure aren't from cruising town, and there's still 2 panels with no dents whatsoever, thank you very much. :flipoff2:

yeah i understand
lol Its like u have have a one track mind... yeah on a jeep 40's wouldnt drive to good but on a 6,000 pound diesel It will drive straight trust me I have seen it happen before.
as for a "hardcore" 4wheeling site you dont need to tell me that... i figured that out from the home page made it pretty clear when it said "EXTREME!"haha
and yeah if you actually want quality products you have to pay you get what you pay for unless you can build it and do a better job yourself.
to each their own but this is my style and most people dont mind it im not cutting shit get over it my truck my way end of story

I'm still struggling with half of what he's saying.
I think its funny how you are sayin "he" like im an outsider and your part of a E-gang... haha i started the topic so please adress me as you. since your directing your posts toward me.

I guess I'm just too far out of touch with inner city lingo, none of the crap that he's typing is intelligible.
im from tahoe bro sorry im all about catchin the gnar i guess... its called youth


You'll never get it to drive worth a damn being that tall. No matter what you do. It'll be a deathtrap at highway speeds.
dont post shit thats not true.... anything possible your just not bein creative

Forget balancing tires that large, it's not going to happen, no matter what manufacturer you choose.
its possible.... my 37's roll just fine by the way

If you think it takes 10K to build up a respectable stereo, you've got more dollars than sense. That's obscene.
yeah you do if your current with the times or have shopped around "extreme" sterio equip gets pretty pricey especially if your running some power. yeah i know it sucks... but for a good system your going to be set back around 3 grand(offtopic)

Cut the damn fenders. If you don't like the Bushwhackers, look for some Warflares from Wild Horses.
like i said... but ill check out wild horses


As for your attitude here, you came to an extreme rockcrawling site seeking advice, and get uppity about your poseur rig when folks give advice on the correct way to do things.
hacking off fenders is not the correct way to do things on a 50g rig lol thats what i like to call (redneck's guide to fitting tires) even if its more practical its got to have style for sure.

A word to the wise:
Keep it up, and sooner or later you'll find yourself in the band, that kind of crap isn't tolerated here for long.

Another thing:

As for all the dents in my rig, they sure aren't from cruising town, and there's still 2 panels with no dents whatsoever, thank you very much. :flipoff2:
ok doggy your hardcore keep tellin yourself that. but what kind of crap are you tlaking about? maybe like, poinless posts, and bullshitting about nothing? bc theres more people here dong that then me and thats the truth i was just askin for 4x4 help isnt that what this site is for? some of the haters just start to flame kinda ghey:mad3:
plus you should learn how to navigate or at least get a spotter to do it for you bc obviously its not working out haha least ive got the experience not to crash into things when i bansh.

The weight of the vehicle isn't necessarily what makes it drive well. I know full well how heavy a SD is, but when they're that darn tall, they just aren't safe, nor do they drive well.

None of the tire manufacturers intend for their big tires to be driven on the street, simply put, they're not perfectly round and balanced.

The axles on your rig don't do well with super big tires on such a heavy vehicle. You step it up to 40's, and it's time to start looking at a set of Rockwells with discs at the hub (BIG $$)

How big do you really want it to be? What's reasonable? How are you going to find places to park it? What's the bumper height laws in your area/state? Light height laws?

These are all questions you need to be asking yourself when you start thinking about building a monster sized truck. Once it reaches a certain point, you're looking at it being a trailer queen, whether it be to the trails or the shows.

very true I have thought about all of this. You have some very good points also and I thankyou.
but I find it hard to believe that NONE of the tire manufactures intend for offroad use only....so are you saying that 40 inch radials are not intended for street use? and arnt perfectly round? the weight and width of the vehicle def helps that part out alot though luckily for me. im not goin to throw on boggers or anything like that haha maybe some nittos toyos? or somethin like that later
with a full size truck this isnt even really that massive of a lift yeah maybe if it was a jeep it would be way to big. Im pretty good at fitting my truck into small spaces also so dont trip...:)
but I have a question someone was sayin the unit bearings will break? how do I prevent this?

very true I have thought about all of this. You have some very good points also and I thankyou.
but I find it hard to believe that NONE of the tire manufactures intend for offroad use only....so are you saying that 40 inch radials are not intended for street use? and arnt perfectly round? the weight and width of the vehicle def helps that part out alot though luckily for me. im not goin to throw on boggers or anything like that haha maybe some nittos toyos? or somethin like that later
with a full size truck this isnt even really that massive of a lift yeah maybe if it was a jeep it would be way to big. Im pretty good at fitting my truck into small spaces also so dont trip...:)
but I have a question someone was sayin the unit bearings will break? how do I prevent this?

That's where my suggestion about the Rocks came in.

You can replace the axle with a more traditional D60, but with the weight of your rig, and a tire that large, failure is imminent if you plan to use it at all.

You can modify the axle you have now, but for a similar amount of money, why not upgrade?

You're opening a big can of worms, to keep it all safe, and legal; just by going that next step.

Maybe you can get some big radials to balance using a media, but it's still going to be a crapshoot whether you can get them to balance well enough to drive safely at highway speeds.


We've all seen the big trucks, and somehow they manage to get them to pass inspeciton and they drive on the road. That doesn't mean that they're safe.

It's a fine line to walk, when you want both big and safe, it's tremendously expensive to do so, and requires a lot of forethought.

Like I mentioned earlier, how big is big enough? At what point will it become too cumbersome to be a daily driver?

The unit bearings on the Dana 50/60 don't last too long under the weight of a Power Stroke. Add some back spacing and the extra weight of tall tires in the front, and you're talking 30,000 miles tops. I forget which vendor makes the conversion kit to the spindle, but I remember it costing over $1000 to replace.


Go to Pavementsucks because they are more your crowd.

thanks guys for the extremely good info those posts were very helpful. so you guys really think its like opening a can of worms? :(

thanks guys for the extremely good info those posts were very helpful. so you guys really think its like opening a can of worms? :(

This thread brings teh tech. :shaking: :shaking: :shaking:

Can we get some more, "My dick really is big talk"??

this thread has nothing to do with my dick but your more then welcome to suck it fag! :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :shaking: this thread is done...

this thread has nothing to do with my dick but your more then welcome to suck it fag! :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :shaking: this thread is done...
:shaking: no

Stupidity, idiocracy, and just plain old dumbass syndrome like what you brought to the table will continue on into the future for eternity.

There once was a guy like you a very long time ago, who approached a local farmer about how to become smarter. The Farmer told the man (much like you) that if you eat the smart pills I raise you'll become more intelligent. So the man being ignorant and dumb liek yourself decided to buy the pills. The farmer snuck off to the back side of the nole behind his place where the sheep would shit, and scooped up the shit pellets and put them in the bottle. The man, like yourself, proceded to use the pills for 3 weeks, till one day he told the farmer, "I don't think these pills work, all they do is taste like shit". The farmer replied, "nope there working alright".

this kid is retarded. wow.

dude they have listed soooo much info and advice for you and you wont take it because you think that the truck wont look pissed off enough. wow. seriously, get over your incompetence and buy a GOD. DAMNED. SAW-Z-ALL.
holy hell dude. holy hell.

no I decided not to do it bc I dont want to open up a can of worms thanks to everyone that has helped once again... to the haters screw you :flipoff2:

this thread has nothing to do with my dick but your more then welcome to suck it fag! :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :shaking: this thread is done...

you didnt get it...

and the last post... ? you decided not to what?

i decided not to do the install thanks.... dont have the $$$ for everything that would need to be done to get this rig capable with 40's especially if its going to cause shit to break fuck that its A Daily driver also(hope u guys can understand that) I know i have to keep it practical, Just thoguth it would still be solid up another 3.5"

its A Daily driver also(hope u guys can understand that)

I know i have to keep it practical

Mine is a daily driver, and its no where near practical.

yours is already not practical for a DD either. And it deffinately would not be with 40's.

i decided not to do the install thanks.... dont have the $$$ for everything that would need to be done to get this rig capable with 40's especially if its going to cause shit to break fuck that its A Daily driver also(hope u guys can understand that) I know i have to keep it practical, Just thoguth it would still be solid up another 3.5" Weld that rear up.

:smokin: so... bong hits?:smokin:

:smokin: so... bong hits?:smokin:

:shaking: actually thats a joint, not a bong :shaking:

actually its a spliff smartass the lil guy told me

listen it all boils down to this: listen wisely.

do you want to wheel the truck?
cut the fenders

do you want to try to get bitches at the mall?
lift it.


function before flash my friend.


best way put halo. but dont forget the other part.

wanna wheel and get chics, lift the truck 10" with 44's and squeel your tires around turns :flipoff2: then after you roll the truck come back and post an add looking for a new cab and box

actually its a spliff smartass the lil guy told me

I'd rather be a smartass then a "Dumbass"