edmund's 06 diesel truck shootout

[4.3crawler]

http://http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=115662 (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=115662)


this article says it all on the 06 diesels.
cummins is probably still the most dependable, but is the slowest.
the chevy hauls butt.:smokin:

[4x4not]

You suck at the interweb

I fixed it for you: http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=115662/pageNumber=1

[ibrocun]

linkey no workey.

[4.3crawler]

You suck at the interweb

I fixed it for you: http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=115662/pageNumber=1

ok your right but I did fix it now:D

[Po' riggity]

That was a nice video.. The Dmax is a nice truck, but for the price, it better be.. I got my dodge for about 15k less than I could have gotten a Dmax for.. and I like the solid reliability of the cummins.
Nice article and video though!
Scott

[BigDan]

Why does it seem that everyone is sooooooo concerned about which truck is the fastest, actually chevy comes in last for fastest at 96mph I think. I know my dodge does 109mph 100% stock.

Haha I know what your talking about, but seriously who cares how quick your 7,000lb diesel truck is in STOCK form. All you have to do is spend $300 on a chip and have 200+tq, if your into my truck is faster then yours. I figured if your the type of guy that want's the fastest diesel truck, which seems to change every year. You will add HP later be it a chip, exhaust, intake. Every year it seems Chevy, Dodge, Ford ups their "factory HP" just a little bit over the previous year winner. All current Diesel's have more then enough power to make you happy, so it stupid IMHO to spend $15,000 extra just to have the most factory HP or the quickest factory 1/4 mile.

Besides everyone know Cummins rules every type of Light Truck Diesel Motorsports, Drag racing, Slead Pulls, Dyno. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Seriously I never read thoes bias diesel showdowns. Go out and research, test drive, and make your own decision based on what you have learned, and what your needs are and can afford.

P.S Its so hard keeping my new to me 03 CTD stock, I really miss my 500HP 1999 CTD

[4.3crawler]

edmunds.com is far from a biased site..do your research. the comparison was not just about which truck was fastest, it was an overall comparison , if you read the article they were quite fair in how they conducted their towing comparison.
they did say the chevy's steering & braking sucked. but it flat waxed the ford & dodge towing. :flipoff2:

anyhow whichever truck you drive is your preference. the big three are all making a good diesel truck now,competition among them is great because we all come out winners with 7000# trucks that tow sh&t entirely too fast!

[DURAtotheMAX]

All you have to do is spend $300 on a chip and have 200+tq, if your into my truck is faster then yours.

so it stupid IMHO to spend $15,000 extra just to have the most factory HP or the quickest factory 1/4 mile.

Besides everyone know Cummins rules every type of Light Truck Diesel Motorsports, Drag racing, Slead Pulls, Dyno. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

you're going to need a tranny to go with that 300 dollar chip.....

15,000....you can make one fast for less than that.:D

2001-2004 Dmax crew cab 7,200 pounds.
TTS Extreme - 1295$
Built trans - 2700-3500$
tie rod sleeves - 140$
lift pumps - 200$

= a truck that will run 12.8's all day on fuel:grinpimp:

[Jrod-13]

but it flat waxed the ford & dodge towing. :flipoff2:




or did it...:confused:

did anyone look closely at the weights the trucks towed, with their "loading to 81% of the CGWR"

Dodge pulled: 8,620LBS
Chevy pulled 11,060LBS
Ford pulled: 12,320LBS

I want to see them do a real world test... get 3 trucks, with 4.10's, and hand shakers, and run the test at 10K and 15K, so each truck has the same weight..

[SanDiegoCJ]

you're going to need a tranny to go with that 300 dollar chip.....




Not if you get the 6 sp. manual Dodge. ALL, and I do mean ALL the *Big Three*
need tranny beefing if you get the auto and do some serious bombing.

[TRD]

I didnt like how they compared at 81%. For our concens and most recreational people we will tow the same weight no matter which truck we have.

They also should have looked at durrability and longevity.

Im sure Dodge chose to give them a mega-cab but it really should have been a quad cab long bed because it is more compable to the other 2.

And the prices shouldnt have been retail. They should have been what people are actually paying. I got my $45k truck for $29k. I dont think that could have happened with Ford or Chevy (or maybe I am wrong)

[jrizman]

i think it may all come to this chart:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=115662/pageId=98012
good info, but...

Ford will tow wayyy more. i know when we were looking for a work truck the F550 was how we had to go cause of the loads we carry (full 13' dump and usually 2 things on the trailer). if we could get away with that in the 350, the we coulda saved some money. all the big three have issues no matter what, ive gone thru ford and dodge. Fords usually are less $ and pull more. so i get em and get rid of em after the warranty (which sucks ass, but works out better sometimes)

[TEX]

I got my dodge for about 15k less than I could have gotten a Dmax for..

No offense, but unless you got about a $20,000 discount, you're full of schit. I've heard this same arguement dozens of times & it always ends up comparing a stripped down Cummins to a fully-loaded D-max, or a gross exaggeration of the actual price difference. Gotta do apples & apples. The usual story is a guy buys a Dodge for $30k after seeing one D-max stickered for $45k & then makes the $15k difference claim. Problem is, it's usually comparing actual purchase price of a truck to the STICKER of a different truck that has a lot more equipment.

When I priced my truck in '02 & checked sticker on all of 'em in both gas & diesel. In stick-shift diesel, they were all within a grand of each other with the Ford being the most expensive by a couple hundred bucks. The GM was only highest with the automatic & even then it was about a grand more than the Dodge & a few hundred over the Ford. These were all mid-level trucks (basically all the power goodies, but no leather) SRW X-cab optioned as closely as possible - the Dodge, though cheapest did have a thing or two missing that you couldn't get w/o moving up a trim level.

You may very well have bought your Dodge cheaper than a comparable Chevy. $15 grand less? No.

TEX

[4.3crawler]

or did it...:confused:

did anyone look closely at the weights the trucks towed, with their "loading to 81% of the CGWR"

Dodge pulled: 8,620LBS
Chevy pulled 11,060LBS
Ford pulled: 12,320LBS

I want to see them do a real world test... get 3 trucks, with 4.10's, and hand shakers, and run the test at 10K and 15K, so each truck has the same weight..

well unfortunately you can't get the new 360hp d-max w/ a zf 6spd.
probably cause it won't handle the torque. the NV-5600 is by far the best manual gear box offered behind a diesel. (ford & chevy use different versions of the zf .)

so that being said each truck needs to be equippped w/ a NV 5600, 4.10 gears and then match the weight of the trucks by putting blocks in the bed.
now conduct your tow test . well that won't happen will it.!

if any of you have driven the chevy you know that allison's gearing is a perfect match for the d-max. that gives it the definite edge.

[4.3crawler]

oh BTW I paid 38,575 for a loaded 06 duramax 4x4 lb ext cab

sticker was 45K. the dodge I drove was about the same sticker price. ford was more.
all similarly equipped trucks. pricing just depends on your region.

find me a new cummings for 23k and i'll show you a truck that was a lousianna flood victim...............

[mudslinger99]

oh BTW I paid 38,575 for a loaded 06 duramax 4x4 lb ext cab

sticker was 45K. the dodge I drove was about the same sticker price. ford was more.
all similarly equipped trucks. pricing just depends on your region.
I found the opposite to be true (maybe that region thing) I had a thread on here a couple weeks ago that you will see the 06 F-250 XLT Super Duty, FX4, diesel was the best deal.. The Ford MSRP was $45,xxx.. Out the door price was $37,500 and that included them paying off $7,500 on the old one and a Line-X bed spray.. Compared to a LS Chevy that was stripped down and it was the same price and has NO where near the room the Ford has..

I have more Chevy's than Fords but in the diesel line on new trucks Ford offers more truck for the money ( and I'm ashamed to admit it :( ) :laughing:

[DURAtotheMAX]

Compared to a LS Chevy that was stripped down and it was the same price and has NO where near the room the Ford has

A stripped LS is NOT 37,500. The dealer was ripping you off big time. The STICKER of a stripped LS isnt even 37,500 AFAIK.

Ford is less $$$ because they are trying to get rid of the 6.0's.:rolleyes:

[DURAtotheMAX]

did anyone look closely at the weights the trucks towed, with their "loading to 81% of the CGWR"

Dodge pulled: 8,620LBS
Chevy pulled 11,060LBS
Ford pulled: 12,320LBS

I want to see them do a real world test... get 3 trucks, with 4.10's, and hand shakers, and run the test at 10K and 15K, so each truck has the same weight..

I dont see how it could have gotten more real world. If they had loaded each truck the same, then the Dodge would have done even worse...
"it should have been done with a manual trans, thats why the Dodge lost" BS. I hear that from every Dodge guy that has read that article. In tow/haul mode, the Ally TC locks up at 25mph in 2nd gear and STAYES LOCKED from there on up, so it "effectively" transmits power "almost" as well as a manual. Dodge guys wouldnt know about that because the TC lockup schedule on a 47/48RE sucks and the darn thing unlocks the second you take your foot off the gas. Try driving an Allison/Dmax around town in tow/haul mode, it will 'feel' exactly like a manual in that the power is directly transmitted and there is NO 'give' or slip in the Torque covnerter. You nail the gas and RPM and speed come up perfectly in sync. Most of the guys who bash automatics in terms of towing have never even tried towing with one, let alone one a new electronic tranny thats as smart as teh Allison or TorqShift.

Also I cant see how someone can say well da-da-da-da-the Cummins still pulls a load better....how can it? Its down on both torque and hp, numbers dont lie. There is no way a 610 ft lbs motor will pull hardert han a 650 ft lbs motor. And before you pick on what RPM the torque comes alive at, guess what, BOTH the Dmax and the Cummins have their max torque rated at 1600rpm.

and also, ill pay you a million bucks if you can find a Dmax with 4.10's....

just my oppinion.

[Brutpwr]

I glanced at the test and while it was informative I disagreed with how they loaded the trucks and thought in some ways maybe the testing/testers may have been biased against the Ford. Thought maybe I saw the braking rated lower in the Ford on one page and then under the specs at the end it stopped the fastest???

Jason :)

[TEX]

A stripped LS is NOT 37,500. The dealer was ripping you off big time.

IIRC, there is no such thing as a "stripped" LS. I believe that's the Chevy equivalent of the GMC SLE. And STANDARD equipment on the SLE includes upgraded cloth seats, flip-down console, A/C, CD player, power windows/locks/mirrors, tilt, cruise, intermittent wipers, tinted rear windows, etc.

TEX

[BigDan]

I dont see how it could have gotten more real world. If they had loaded each truck the same, then the Dodge would have done even worse...
"it should have been done with a manual trans, thats why the Dodge lost" BS. I hear that from every Dodge guy that has read that article. In tow/haul mode, the Ally TC locks up at 25mph in 2nd gear and STAYES LOCKED from there on up, so it "effectively" transmits power "almost" as well as a manual. Dodge guys wouldnt know about that because the TC lockup schedule on a 47/48RE sucks and the darn thing unlocks the second you take your foot off the gas. Try driving an Allison/Dmax around town in tow/haul mode, it will 'feel' exactly like a manual in that the power is directly transmitted and there is NO 'give' or slip in the Torque covnerter. You nail the gas and RPM and speed come up perfectly in sync. Most of the guys who bash automatics in terms of towing have never even tried towing with one, let alone one a new electronic tranny thats as smart as teh Allison or TorqShift.

Also I cant see how someone can say well da-da-da-da-the Cummins still pulls a load better....how can it? Its down on both torque and hp, numbers dont lie. There is no way a 610 ft lbs motor will pull hardert han a 650 ft lbs motor. And before you pick on what RPM the torque comes alive at, guess what, BOTH the Dmax and the Cummins have their max torque rated at 1600rpm.

and also, ill pay you a million bucks if you can find a Dmax with 4.10's....

just my oppinion.



God Damm you get more annoying with every post. You think you're Mr. Know it all. Why are you turning this little section of Pirate4x4 into something :rainbow: Why cant you just let it go or just go back to your cock sucking D-Max board. We all have our own boards and we dont need you here fucking up a little tow tech section on PBB.

You dont know shit about CTD's and everything you say about them is wrong. You can lock the TC on any CTD. All you have to do is ground a tranny wire and you have lockup when you want it no matter what, full throttle shifts, no throttle for going down hills, whatever.

Why do you care so much about trying to hurt the feeling of other diesel owners???? We dont care. Most people on PBB tow with CTD's and you dont see us all up in your ass bad mouthing D-Maxes, and making shit up about them.

Face it your the minority and underdog anywhere you go, maybe thats why you have a complex. Like many have said before CTD's hold the record for EVERYTHING, racing, dyno's, pulling, affordabilty, duribility, longevity, ease of installiation. The only way a D-max can play is with an ass load of No2, and that wont last long before they new a complete engine overhaul since their internals and bottom arnt rated for the kind of TQ a stock CTD can support. How many 10 second D-maxes are running stock internals, with no rebuild. Its so easy to make HP and speed in a CTD, I know it everyone knows it.

As far as stock for stock goes all 3 make a great rig and yes he D-max is fast in stock form, and I heard the IFS rides nice when empty. But most of us dont care about super fast acceleration, thats why we buy manuals, Yes they have the power but their no dragster. My old rig has a bad ass auto and yes I towed with it and it kicked ass in everyway. That's why I got a 6 speed in my replacement so I wouldnt be tempted to spend 15K on bombs for my towrig.

OK but now we all know your Mr. Badass I know everything D-Max :girly:, so go on a fuckin vacation to the dieselgarage to get you jollies for the day from your fellow ass clowns. :rainbow::clown:

[ScottFJ40]

oh BTW I paid 38,575 for a loaded 06 duramax 4x4 lb ext cab

sticker was 45K. the dodge I drove was about the same sticker price. ford was more.
all similarly equipped trucks. pricing just depends on your region.

find me a new cummings for 23k and i'll show you a truck that was a lousianna flood victim...............
WTF is a cummings? :shaking: :shaking:

[ScottFJ40]

God Damm you get more annoying with every post. You think you're Mr. Know it all. Why are you turning this little section of Pirate4x4 into something :rainbow: Why cant you just let it go or just go back to your cock sucking D-Max board. We all have our own boards and we dont need you here fucking up a little tow tech section on PBB.

You dont know shit about CTD's and everything you say about them is wrong. You can lock the TC on any CTD. All you have to do is ground a tranny wire and you have lockup when you want it no matter what, full throttle shifts, no throttle for going down hills, whatever.

Why do you care so much about trying to hurt the feeling of other diesel owners???? We dont care. Most people on PBB tow with CTD's and you dont see us all up in your ass bad mouthing D-Maxes, and making shit up about them.

Face it your the minority and underdog anywhere you go, maybe thats why you have a complex. Like many have said before CTD's hold the record for EVERYTHING, racing, dyno's, pulling, affordabilty, duribility, longevity, ease of installiation. The only way a D-max can play is with an ass load of No2, and that wont last long before they new a complete engine overhaul since their internals and bottom arnt rated for the kind of TQ a stock CTD can support. How many 10 second D-maxes are running stock internals, with no rebuild. Its so easy to make HP and speed in a CTD, I know it everyone knows it.

As far as stock for stock goes all 3 make a great rig and yes he D-max is fast in stock form, and I heard the IFS rides nice when empty. But most of us dont care about super fast acceleration, thats why we buy manuals, Yes they have the power but their no dragster. My old rig has a bad ass auto and yes I towed with it and it kicked ass in everyway. That's why I got a 6 speed in my replacement so I wouldnt be tempted to spend 15K on bombs for my towrig.

OK but now we all know your Mr. Badass I know everything D-Max :girly:, so go on a fuckin vacation to the dieselgarage to get you jollies for the day from your fellow ass clowns. :rainbow::clown:You forgot to tell him his japanese duramax is a light duty engine, as compared to the medium duty cummins. What's the rebuild schedule on a dmax? 200K miles? A Cummins is 350K. :smokin:

[DURAtotheMAX]

man its fun gettin you guys all riled up....its just too easy.

you cant just ground a wire on a 48RE, I dunno maybe you could on the earlier ones. The TCC lockup solenoid needs PWM (pulse width modulation). If you just apply voltage or ground to the solenoid you will burn it up or put the trans in limp mode. Im going to back out right here because I dont know anything about Dodge tranny's, except that they have a massive input shaft.:rolleyes:


Why do you care so much about trying to hurt the feeling of other diesel owners???? We dont care.

then why are you getting your pants in a twist like you do care? Ignore me and ill go away:D

Face it your the minority and underdog anywhere you go, maybe thats why you have a complex. How many 10 second D-maxes are running stock internals, with no rebuild. Its so easy to make HP and speed in a CTD, I know it everyone knows it..

anywhere I go? define that....... yes, I am the underdog because nobody can acknowledge that the Dmax has proven itself to be a "viable alternative" to a CTD. Note I didnt say "better alternative". There is a huge difference and im not going to say its better because its not.

dont act too defensive, you might give the impression that you're afraid Dmax's are gaining on the CTD's....

the extended cab/short bed dmax (Buck and Jess) that ran a 10.8 did have forged rods, but thats it for internal engine parts. Buck's turbo was stock, yeah they used nitrous, but run what ya brung.....a 10.8 quarter is a 10.8 quarter. However a stock-internals Dmax will run 10's and last more than one pass, ask NLDP (regular cab/long bed). NLDP has huge sticks (smokes at idle) and a big turbo tho.....but internal parts are STOCK.

Mike Tomac runs consistant 12 flat 1/4's in his crew cab dmax on fuel only, his engine internals are stock, but he has a big turbo. I know thats not "that" great because theres a 2nd gen Dodge extended cab that ran an 11.79 on fuel only, which is pretty damn incredible. Im drawing a blank on his name, and I dont know what he had for mods.

Making speed and power, Ill agree 100%, its stupid easy to make insane power on a 12 valve/P7100 Cummins. Many of the 24 valves that are making big power are P-pumped IIRC...im not sure what the most someone has gotten out of a VP44. But to make any power on the Cummins you need to upgrade the turbo. HX35 dont cut it...

My old rig has a bad ass auto and yes I towed with it and it kicked ass in everyway.
I tow big all summer (truck is for work in summer, I dont use it much for work in the winter tho), and have been very happy with an automatic...
define "bad ass auto"? Im just curious what that would be.


so go on a fuckin vacation to the dieselgarage to get you jollies for the day from your fellow ass clowns. :rainbow::clown:

FYI, you wouldnt catch me dead at the dieselgarage.

[DURAtotheMAX]

You forgot to tell him his japanese duramax is a light duty engine, as compared to the medium duty cummins. What's the rebuild schedule on a dmax? 200K miles? A Cummins is 350K. :smokin:

oh crap here we go.

im not going to waste my breath on explaining the whole Japanese/American Dmax thing to one more ignorant CTD driver.

but basically the deal is 100% of the Dmax is made in America by AMERICAN workers at an AMERICAN OWNED FACTORY. Moraine, Ohio, and the company is "Duramax LTD."

Both the 03+ Cummins and Dmax injection systems are identical, made by Bosch (German).

hahahaha now here goes the funny part where the joke is on you Dodge guys: Donde está su carro construido??:laughing:

[ScottFJ40]

oh crap here we go.

im not going to waste my breath on explaining the whole Japanese/American Dmax thing to one more ignorant CTD driver.

but basically the deal is 100% of the Dmax is made in America by AMERICAN workers at an AMERICAN OWNED FACTORY. Moraine, Ohio, and the company is "Duramax LTD."

Both the 03+ Cummins and Dmax injection systems are identical, made by Bosch (German).

hahahaha now here goes the funny part where the joke is on you Dodge guys: Donde está su carro construido??:laughing:I thought you weren't going to "waste your breath??? Not even sure how you do that typing, unless you are 400 lb's and over exert yourself searching google for dmax "facts".

Retard, my truck and engine was built in the USA :shaking: My VIN starts with a 1. I drive a second gen you assumptive little douchebag.
Your daddies truck sucks, and you should get a spanking for pretending it's yours on the internet.

Come back when your nuts drop.

[DURAtotheMAX]

nice place over here at pirate...I guess there are some real characters out in the world............

alright, 2nd gens were built in the USA. But third gens are not. The GM HD's are 100% built in the US, except the frames, which are made in Canada, and the Bose amplifiers, which are assembled in Mexico if you really want to split hairs.

Why are you questioning that the truck is indeed mine or not? What facts are you going off of to doubt me? How can I prove it to you.

[ScottFJ40]

nice place over here at pirate...I guess there are some real characters out in the world............

alright, 2nd gens were built in the USA. But third gens are not. The GM HD's are 100% built in the US, except the frames, which are made in Canada, and the Bose amplifiers, which are assembled in Mexico if you really want to split hairs.

Why are you questioning that the truck is indeed mine or not? What facts are you going off of to doubt me? How can I prove it to you.
Prove it to me by holding up your driver's license, and registration card in front of a video camera as you drive into a bridge abutment at 120 mph.
KTHNXBY.

[DURAtotheMAX]

ok........

[Danger Ranger]

people with small penis complex's don't get far on pirate :laughing:

go away

[Danger Ranger]

did anyone look closely at the weights the trucks towed, with their "loading to 81% of the CGWR"

Dodge pulled: 8,620LBS
Chevy pulled 11,060LBS
Ford pulled: 12,320LBS

I want to see them do a real world test... get 3 trucks, with 4.10's, and hand shakers, and run the test at 10K and 15K, so each truck has the same weight..

Yeah me too... I guess I sort of see their side of this... BUT joe schmoe doesn't give a fuck about that shit. He's going to hook up his 8,000-10,000 travel trailer whether his truck is rated to pull it or not. Then he'll load a shit load of gear into it, throw the wife, kids and dog in the truck and go. That would be a 'real world' test :rolleyes:

[welndmn]

people with small penis complex's don't get far on pirate :laughing:

go away
My dick is so big that I have to watch myself closing the door on my Dmax because it may get cought!

[Danger Ranger]

admit it mark... you got rid of the CTD and got a duratampax just because of this thread :flipoff2:

[welndmn]

I've printed out this topic and am going to the GM dealer tonight!
If I don't run a 11 sec 1/4 or get 68 MPG's gallon I am going to SUE!

[Danger Ranger]

I've printed out this topic and am going to the GM dealer tonight!
If I don't run a 11 sec 1/4 or get 68 MPG's gallon I am going to SUE!

dare ya! :flipoff2:

[welndmn]

The dealer said Stock they don't 11 sec 1/4s.
DuraTO THE MAX! how does yours run a 11 sec 1/4 stock like you said?
Did you mean a 11 sec 1/8? 11 sec 60 foot time?

[theydontstop]

As Ron Burgandy would say, "Wow guys, that escalated quickly."

I agree that the trucks should be as close as possible and towing load should be the same. Diesel Power mag did a comparison, I didn't analyze the results for every little specific, but if you want another source for comparison, there it is.

[thump93yj]

GoAwayToTheMax?

YouSuckdonkeyballstotheMax?

You'reAnnoyingToTheMax?


I'm helping you with new screen names since you obviously don't want to make friends... contribute respectfully to a board of folks with WAY more time and effort invested in it than your knowitall assssss.

So... please take the hints... and shhhhhhhutttttt up... or at least, participate like the rest of us... ya know... like respectable human beings maybe?

dork

[Danger Ranger]

GoAwayToTheMax?

YouSuckdonkeyballstotheMax?

You'reAnnoyingToTheMax?


I'm helping you with new screen names since you obviously don't want to make friends... contribute respectfully to a board of folks with WAY more time and effort invested in it than your knowitall assssss.

So... please take the hints... and shhhhhhhutttttt up... or at least, participate like the rest of us... ya know... like respectable human beings maybe?

dork

duratampax :D :flipoff2:

[hybrid-theory]

it kills me to see some of you guys get so fawken pissy just because someone(Duratothemax) responds to these posts possible knowing more than someone else. does he know more? i don't know , but to act like a fawkin child about it is retarded. did he once cut anybody down, no so who is the smarter person. personally i wouldn't buy any new 1-ton to tow with, a single axle tractor doesn't need to be souped up to out pull any of those. and i could care less what it had for a motor (cummins,detroit, or cat) and a half way decent one can be had for less than 15k. :flipoff2: to me spending 30-40 thousand for a truck is insane, maybe because my broke ass can't afford one but i wouldn't buy one if i could.

[1967K10]

The dealer said Stock they don't 11 sec 1/4s.
DuraTO THE MAX! how does yours run a 11 sec 1/4 stock like you said?
Did you mean a 11 sec 1/8? 11 sec 60 foot time?

He never said it ran 11.?? "stock" :shaking: . Stock can also mean stock block,heads,crank,pistons,cam,ect.

Once again I will stait it. The D-Max will run 500K if given proper maintinance just like a CTD will. :shaking: :shaking:

Also since everyone thinks he is FOS,I haven't seen anyone to go race him. Too bad no one has the balls. It would be a funny story. :laughing:

[BigDan]

I definetly would if I didnt total my 99. I would of been in the high 11's without drugs about 620HP. If it's a head on drag race, I woudnt hesitate since I have lots of experience and a very consistant truck. Yeah I know ot sounds like a cop out but its a true story. I now own a truck that will never be quick, 03 6 speed.

I may get into pulling since its safer.

My old 99 had
B1/B2 twin turbos (possible the baddest streetable twins)
Edge Drag comp box
Mach 5 EDM injectors(Had Mach 7 240HP on order)

It would of been a killer race. Either way I think its awsome that we can propell 7K lb diesel tow rig into the 11's at 110+mph. I was remensiing with an old friend the other day and we were talking about how my old truck was like a ride at 6Flags. The power is awsome and just the idea of spanking Corvette's, Porche's, you name it in a lifted diesel truck is like no other. I'd rather own a 800HP lifted 4X4 Diesel then most any sports cars. Thay will do anything. Drag Race, Do some serious 4wheeling I had a blast in the snow, towing, daily driving.

[DURAtotheMAX]

The dealer said Stock they don't 11 sec 1/4s.
DuraTO THE MAX! how does yours run a 11 sec 1/4 stock like you said?
Did you mean a 11 sec 1/8? 11 sec 60 foot time?

My truck doesnt run 11's. Its 1 second slower than that.

You guys are putting words in my mouth because you are too stupid and immature to come up with anything else. You would make a good debater, like those goofy guys you see on C-span or whatever it is (now watch this, you're gonna be real clever and respond and call me a fag for mentioning c-span, it was an example, dumbass). Someone makes a decent argument or statement and best rebuttal you can come up with is "uhh well I umm uhhh....I ehh...uhh....YOU'RE A FAGGOT!! heehee YES I WIN, ME 1, YOU ZERO!!!". You mature senior members of Pirate have whatever complex with newbies, and it kills you to think that not every newbie is a dumbass, and holy shit god forbid, theres a newbie who may know as much as you about something??

Its like all the veterans think "OOOO fuck we cant let that happen, I gotta puff out my chest and show that little fucker who is boss around here, and I cant shut him down with my superior knowledge because in the current topic being discussed, my knowledge is NOT superior to this little tool's knowleged, but I cant let him win, I gotta do something...let me think....OH I know, ill shut him down by making ignorant stupid statements that make no sense whatsoever. HEE HEE that will fix him and shut him up good!!"

You were a NEWBIE once, so was everyone, its not like your gods given gift who suddenly was a superior around here, free to boss around the newbies at will. I am not here to troll of cause trouble, and im not here to be the newbie who is a cocky little fucker and tries to argue with the superior members. But when senior member attacks me in such a stupid childish manner, I am going to defend myself and not run and hide at the mention of your name like you want all the newbies to do. In the earlier thread some guy was having problems with his 8.1 Suburban stalling. Nobody before me mentioned the fix/cause of the problem, and I knew it was most likely a CKP sensor because thats a typical common problem to the 2001 Vortec 8.1's, and his had all the common symptoms. SO I posted the cause of the problem and what to do to fix it. Does that make me a bad person because I knew the answer and other more respected Pirate members didnt? Is it a crime for a newbie to know anything about anything??? Or is this some fraternity initialization thing where as long as you're new, you dont know shit about shit, even if you DO know shit about shit?? Sheesh...

Show me where I said a stock Dmax will run 11's. And a Ford Escort (oh watch this, someone cool is going to respond with 'HEE HEE A FORD ESCORT THATS PROBABLY WHAT YOU DRIVE, YOU NEWBIE!!!') will run a 10 second quarter mile stock...come on....you know what I meant. A Dmax will run 11's without major work, ie, without any internal engine work whatsoever. Nitrous, propane, chip, exhaust, built transmission. Other than the trans I dont consider that "major" work. Compared to what you'd have to do to a gasser truck to make it run an 11 second quarter mile, the diesel is "COMPARATIVELY STOCK". That is my "definition" of stock. When 99% of people talk about 11 second quarter miles, the engine mods involved take up three pages to list. I personally think its pretty cool that you dont need any engine mods (excluding the above mentioned items) to make stupid crazy HP out of a diesel, and how well the hold up at 2, 3, 4 times the stock hp and torque without anything done to the internals or engine itself.

Cummins and Dmax's have proven themselves to be easy to make big HP out of with comparatively minor mods. Both Cummins and Dmax's are quite impressive what they will do at the track with only a few things done to them. Hell, diesels in themselves are pretty amazing in that regard... Powerstroke, 7.3, great engine (except 99-early 2000 when they had powederd metal rods), but really couldnt make a lot of power without fully built internals. 6.0 Powerstrokes need headstuds and injectors to make big power or go fast. I consider THOSE two things "significant/major" engine mods. You dont need those two things on a Cummins and Dmax unless you are upgrading to a huge turbo. Even tho the 6.0 has its weaknesses when modded, SCT has done amazing things with tuning for them. The SCT tunes can control the trans which makes the 5R110 tranny's hold a surprising amount of power stock....each of the big three has its strengths and weaknesses. Just my oppinion................

[DURAtotheMAX]

GoAwayToTheMax?

YouSuckdonkeyballstotheMax?

You'reAnnoyingToTheMax?


I'm helping you with new screen names since you obviously don't want to make friends... contribute respectfully to a board of folks with WAY more time and effort invested in it than your knowitall assssss.

So... please take the hints... and shhhhhhhutttttt up... or at least, participate like the rest of us... ya know... like respectable human beings maybe?

dork

um.....right back at you?.

"Contribute respectfully to the board" How are you contributing respectfully to the board by being an ass to me? You're certainly not respecting me, I have no idea why. I never disrespected YOU.

TELL ME HOW TO PARTICIPATE. I CANT PARTICIPATE WHEN EVERYONE JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT AT EVERYTHING I SAY. HOW CAN I PARTICIPATE WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING? BUT THEN AGAIN I CANT SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU ALL OPEN FIRE AT ME EVERYTIME I OPEN MY MOUTH.

What is wrong with me saying what im saying? Tell me how I can change and what I can do so I dont have people stabbing me right and left.

"ya know, like respectable human beings"
do you consider yourself a respectable human being when you treat me like you do? Do you know what it means to contradict yourself?

[makya]

TELL ME HOW TO PARTICIPATE. I CANT PARTICIPATE WHEN EVERYONE JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT AT EVERYTHING I SAY. HOW CAN I PARTICIPATE WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING? BUT THEN AGAIN I CANT SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU ALL OPEN FIRE AT ME EVERYTIME I OPEN MY MOUTH.


You're right, and on behalf of myself and many others, I just want to say
GO AWAY!
You don't get it, you don't fit in, the only people that like you in this thread don't fit in here. At PBB, you need to do time first before you spout off info., especially internet info & hearsay about your "friends" rigs.


No one cares, go away.

[DURAtotheMAX]

My old 99 had
B1/B2 twin turbos (possible the baddest streetable twins)
Edge Drag comp box
Mach 5 EDM injectors(Had Mach 7 240HP on order)


not a bad way to spend 5 grand.... :D

I assume you had all the work done by Poole?

must have been one wild ride!:smokin: Streetability wasnt bad? Did it take a while to light the big charger? Did you tow much with it? Must have been a dream not to have to worry about EGT's. Did you have to fire ring the head or do studs? Did DTT do your trans? The one Allison they tried to do was a disaster, but they make badass Dodge tranny stuff. I heard Goerand (sp) does good stuff too...I saw them at the track (I wasnt able to race cause my own shitty "custom" work for making my new turbo fit ended up cracking the pass side exhaust up-pipe) out in Michigan running their 3rd gen and the shifts sounded pretty nice.

My stock VVT was downright ugly for EGT's. Towing was "alright" but at the end of a 1/4 pass i'd be right at about 2000*:mad3: The new bigger turbo is better tho, about 1550 passing thru the 1/4 mile, its no twins tho....

[thump93yj]

um.....right back at you?.

"Contribute respectfully to the board" How are you contributing respectfully to the board by being an ass to me? You're certainly not respecting me, I have no idea why. I never disrespected YOU.

TELL ME HOW TO PARTICIPATE. I CANT PARTICIPATE WHEN EVERYONE JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT AT EVERYTHING I SAY. HOW CAN I PARTICIPATE WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING? BUT THEN AGAIN I CANT SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU ALL OPEN FIRE AT ME EVERYTIME I OPEN MY MOUTH.

What is wrong with me saying what im saying? Tell me how I can change and what I can do so I dont have people stabbing me right and left.

"ya know, like respectable human beings"
do you consider yourself a respectable human being when you treat me like you do? Do you know what it means to contradict yourself?

Dear Starless-nonpaidPBBing-articleless-justjoinedthismonth-wonder with a Duramax that he's so proud of he has to bore us all to death with reasons why it's so great and we're so dumb 'cause we don't have the twuck you do.

1. Piss off.
2. Nobody cares because you come across as a knowitall way smarter than all of us asshole.
3. Bother to search my profile just a weeeeee bit next time to see how many articles, threads, tech I've contributed to this board.
4. You're a bore.
5. Piss off again.





6. Go away and learn some manners... ya little shit!

Oh... and I'll put my rig up against yours any day. Caviat is... must involve mucho high speed woopdeedoos/jumps etc... then we'll hook up to some heavy GN's and see if yours can keep up with mine or die like the blues mobile in downtown Chicago. again... search if ya don't understand my caviat. :flipoff2:

kids are ruining this forum!

[Sleepertrk]

Maby its just me but I think that DURAtotheMAX guy knows what hes talking about. If you all didnt jump to conclusion you might find hes a pretty good guy and one to have on your side.

You all tell him to grow up....why is it that he hasnt call any of you names yet hes been called a "dumbass, retard, douchebag, ect." ????????

Cummins makes power huh? why is it that a (my) STOCK LBZ will walk all over a modded 2001 cummins with EDGE (120hp)????
Answer: that 6 banger just doesnt have the power.

Also ScottFJ40: you remind me of a liberal tree huggin pussy in the way that you trash the dmax by saying its "Japaneese" and when someone comes back in a way that will damage or hurt your reputaion. You respond with the typical "screw you." stating mines one year younger than the "German" version is bullshit. I think your just sad that this "Jap" engine is taking rule over the diesel market.

[DURAtotheMAX]

At PBB, you need to do time first before you spout off info., especially internet info & hearsay about your "friends" rigs.

see, this is what I DONT understand. That doesnt make sense and thats not how people help eachother. Thats not how a forum works. So say you have a really important question that no one knows the answer to, but some newbie comes along and has the answer...if I were you, id take that person's advice in a second, im not prejudiced against newbies. Im far from a newbie on another large forum, and if a newbie comes and and knows his shit, im not an ass to him JUST because he is a newbie. There ahve been newbies on there that knew more than I did. I had problems with my fuel pressure regulator, I replaced it and the truck was still acting up. No one was able to help me. The next day a "newbie" signed up and said "its not the fuel press reg, its the ECM". I was skeptical because he was "only a newbie". But ya know what, I replaced that freakin ECM and my problem was 100% fixed. Imagine that. A newbie helped me, a senior member with 7,000 posts. Who would have thought? You learn something new each day I guess.

If I know the correct answer to something (I dont use internet info...everything ive said is from my head, take note how when CJHeap said do you know what a big cam 4 is, I could have gone to the internet and saw that its a OTR Cummins motor and then lied and been like "yeah I know what that is" but no I was honest and said "no I dont know what that is") I try to help someone out. Ill use the example of the dude in another thread here thats having problems with his 496 Suburban. He said it just stalls sometimes for no reason. I offered the advice that its probably the CKP or a sticky throttle body, I know those were common problems on the 2001 8.1's and that was the fix for the problem. Now, should he refuse to listen to me because im a newbie, and go on living with a Suburban that dies at stoplights? No, that would be just plain stupid. I guess ill have to make a couple hundred posts, then tell him the solution again next year, after which he will have been driving a finicky Suburban for a year more than he had to, just because he refused to listen to a newbie.

I dont understand how that works...........

[makya]

It's PBB, you need to lurk first, then, if you get it, get involved.

Your first posts in this thread come off as a pissing match, if that's what you want, you'll lose here everytime.

Your last two posts don't come off like you're talking out your ass..

[TacoJedbob7]

Dear Starless-nonpaidPBBing-articleless-justjoinedthismonth-wonder with a Duramax that he's so proud of he has to bore us all to death with reasons why it's so great and we're so dumb 'cause we don't have the twuck you do.

1. Piss off.
2. Nobody cares because you come across as a knowitall way smarter than all of us asshole.
3. Bother to search my profile just a weeeeee bit next time to see how many articles, threads, tech I've contributed to this board.
4. You're a bore.
5. Piss off again.
6. Go away and learn some manners... ya little shit!

Oh... and I'll put my rig up against yours any day. Caviat is... must involve mucho high speed woopdeedoos/jumps etc... then we'll hook up to some heavy GN's and see if yours can keep up with mine or die like the blues mobile in downtown Chicago. again... search if ya don't understand my caviat. :flipoff2:

kids are ruining this forum!


:laughing: :laughing: dude, you only got 700 posts!!:laughing: :laughing: ok, gods gift to earth! If you would actually listen to duratothemax then you might realize he is a good guy, with alot of knowledge about diesels, and how the hell does he come accross as a "knowitall"??? He actually listens to what people say (atleast the mature posters) and actually responds, acknowledging everyones comments. i may only have 100 posts (only 7 times less then you :shaking:) but i have been around long enough to see people like you bashing postive contributers to this forum...now what the fuck are you thinking? "Yeah, lets scare away all the members that might actually know something, because they will make us inferior." I know it takes a certain "manliness" or attitude to survive pirate, but for fucks sake get over yourself! This is a god damn internet forum ( a great one at that:) ), where you can make your 110lb scronny, pussy, immature ass into some big cocky mother fucker because you are hiding behind the god damn computer screen!:flipoff2: Good work, youve achieved that transformation. How about you give this newb a chance at proving himself? :D :D
With Love, Jebob

[TacoJedbob7]

oh! i figured it out...duratothemax is really building his post count by pissing us all off, and trying to defend himself....hes a smart little mother fucker. LETS RAPE AND PILLAGE!

[DURAtotheMAX]

It's PBB, you need to lurk first, then, if you get it, get involved.

Your first posts in this thread come off as a pissing match, if that's what you want, you'll lose here everytime.

Your last two posts don't come off like you're talking out your ass..


I hardly know any shit about xfer cases/offroading/tires/jeeps. Show me one post ive made talking about something I dont know about. Go. Find a post ive made in another section...I DO know about the main three tow rigs (ram, silverado/super duty), although I dont know as much about the Ram's and Super Duty's.

go ahead, ask me any GENERAL question about the duramax, allison, electrical system, interior, exterior, data bus system/computers, body on the current gen (2001-2007) GMT-800 trucks. If you can stump me I promise ill piss off and never bother you guys again. But until you guys can stump me on the current gen GM HD trucks (or SUV's or LD trucks), im going to keep posting................

just dont ask me how the bose amps, nav units, and CAN bus works, I dont know anything about those.

[DURAtotheMAX]

3. Bother to search my profile just a weeeeee bit next time to see how many articles, threads, tech I've contributed to this board.
4. You're a bore.
5. Piss off again.!

Im a bore because you dont understand anything im talking about, its over your head and you're not cool with that....

I am only rude and an ass when someone is an ass to me. In your post you were an ass to me by calling me a bore and telling me to piss off. So im going to be an ass to you.

No, I havent contributed to the tech of THIS forum. I just found it a week ago. There have been other forums where I have definetly contributed my fair share of time, tech, thought, research, and explaning things to people. Its not like I just got a computer a week ago and came out of nowhere. Just because YOU havent heard of me or know me doesnt mean other people havent.

[TacoJedbob7]

see, his posts are up to 51!!!! damn hes good

[CJHeap]

You also do not Know jack about diesel engines. You may know how to bomb a Isuzu but so what. Anyone can add a N20system, Propane system and reprogram the ECU. Lets see you actually design an induction system with all of the calculations and explain the physics behind it. That means calculate the proper fuel flow rates and the injectors needed along with the proper turbo and intercooler to ensure the wanted air density.

What you admitted that you do is comporable to going down to supershops and getting a Edelbrock Performer package an bolting it on but you do get to adjust the Timing and carb.:flipoff2:

I hardly know any shit about xfer cases/offroading/tires/jeeps. Show me one post ive made talking about something I dont know about. Go. Find a post ive made in another section...I DO know about the main three tow rigs (ram, silverado/super duty), although I dont know as much about the Ram's and Super Duty's.

go ahead, ask me any GENERAL question about the duramax, allison, electrical system, interior, exterior, data bus system/computers, body on the current gen (2001-2007) GMT-800 trucks. If you can stump me I promise ill piss off and never bother you guys again. But until you guys can stump me on the current gen GM HD trucks (or SUV's or LD trucks), im going to keep posting................

just dont ask me how the bose amps, nav units, and CAN bus works, I dont know anything about those.

[DURAtotheMAX]

You also do not Know jack about diesel engines. You may know how to bomb a Isuzu but so what. Anyone can add a N20system, Propane system and reprogram the ECU. Lets see you actually design an induction system with all of the calculations and explain the physics behind it. That means calculate the proper fuel flow rates and the injectors needed along with the proper turbo and intercooler to ensure the wanted air density.

What you admitted that you do is comporable to going down to supershops and getting a Edelbrock Performer package an bolting it on but you do get to adjust the Timing and carb.:flipoff2:


wow we're getting somewhere. First it was "you dont know shit about shit" now you're actually admitting I know how to bomb a Dmax (not really an isuzu, but ok I know what you mean). Thank you!!! Thats all I need to know how to do, seeing as thats whats in my truck. Anyone can reprogram an ECM? Ok ill have you do my diesel tuning. If you can make it run 12's like the tune im running now, ill be impressed. Tell me whats involved in reprogramming an LS1/LS2 ECM. Tell me what the OS checksum's are and tell me what the BCC is. There is a reason Steve Cole charges 1295$ for an Extreme. Please, enlighten me what you know about tuning a Dmax, or if you know anything about the Duramax period. Like I said, try to stump me about anything with the 2001 up to 2007 GM trucks. You never did. You ignored my challange. Why?

I have no need to design an "induction system" for my truck. Flow based calculations ive made show that there is nothing wrong with the current (basically stock except for an afe stage 2) setup. The only way im gonna get more flow is with CNC'd/ported heads, and even those dont help much except in the upper RPM ranges. Theyve even been shown to hurt flow down low, but no one is actually running them yet as far as I know.

changing the intercooler aint gonna help anything on 99.9999% of the setups. Nobody that knows anything about bombing dmax's is running a banks or custom CAC.

My current injectors flow enough for the amount of air I have. The injectors can flow more than the CP3 can supply. The bosch CP3 is ratted up to 110mm3 at 23,055 psi. Big injectors would drop my rail pressure even more. I need to work on supplying the stock injectors with more fuel before I worry about bigger injectors. Once I can maintain 22-23,000 psi down the entire 1/4 mile, I will look into a set of EDM'd injectors.

Just because you cant do shit for power/flow rate with your stock HEUI injectors doesnt mean stock Dmax injectors suck as well.

If what I did was that simple, everyone would have a 11-12-13 second dmax. My truck has a lot more "custom" stuff figured out by ME than bolt ons. Whether thats a good thing or bad thing, I dont know.:laughing:

If you knew anything, the LLY's are much harder to work with as far as going fast. Its a constant battle when you have no one ahead of you testing things out. Who was the first person to put an S300 aftermarket turbo on an LLY, and all the associated custom tuning/physical work associated with making it work???? Ill give you a hint.....hes made some posts in this thread.

is there anyone on here who as built an Allison? If you think its the same as dickin' around with a TH350 or 700r4, go jump off a bridge. I did a couple secret "tweaks" to mine and it shifts nice. Most LLY's shift like shit due to improper cutback and line pressure dropping when the TCC is engaged. I fixed this in mine. C'mon im at least a little further in depth than bolt ons, why doesnt any of this stuff give me credit?

so.....c'mon lets hear your worst question about the chevy's. Id be happy to give you my best on the protocol/transport carrier function of J1850VPW data bus in the 2003-2007 Chevy trucks, but why should I bother, CJHeap already knows about that stuff, so its old news. Just like he knows about Dmax's and Allisons.

[BigDan]

not a bad way to spend 5 grand.... :D

I assume you had all the work done by Poole?

must have been one wild ride!:smokin: Streetability wasnt bad? Did it take a while to light the big charger? Did you tow much with it? Must have been a dream not to have to worry about EGT's. Did you have to fire ring the head or do studs? Did DTT do your trans? The one Allison they tried to do was a disaster, but they make badass Dodge tranny stuff. I heard Goerand (sp) does good stuff too...I saw them at the track (I wasnt able to race cause my own shitty "custom" work for making my new turbo fit ended up cracking the pass side exhaust up-pipe) out in Michigan running their 3rd gen and the shifts sounded pretty nice.

My stock VVT was downright ugly for EGT's. Towing was "alright" but at the end of a 1/4 pass i'd be right at about 2000*:mad3: The new bigger turbo is better tho, about 1550 passing thru the 1/4 mile, its no twins tho....


I bought the B1/B2 twins second hand from Nolan at East Coast Turbo, I guess this was one of the first sets that He and Poole built for his pulling truck. I got a deal I couldnt pass on. Nolan dynoed 610HP with a tiny HO pump. I had a full DTT build 91% with billet shafts and Hot Rod valve body that was built at J&H Performance in Redding. I had planned on ARP studding and o-ringing my head before I made a real pass. I figured it would be dumb to only run 50psi when I could run in excess of 80-psi and make more power. I also never got around to swaping out my Mach 5's for 7's. I had a big fuel line kit and pusher pump. Just talking about this makes me upset that my truck is gone. I have been into diesel performance since 2002 back when this was barley a sport and there were so many unsuspecting mustang and rice rockets on the streets. No its all the rage to have a 500hp diesel, and im stuck with my slow 6speed.

Yes I towed my 5K lb 1ton toy regulary, and it towed so nice, everything was working in harmony. Fawk I could of had the baddest diesel in the sac area. Not too many 630HP Diesel's around here. I have so many kill stories from crusing sac and racing others. It was so fun staging a 25psi 4X4 launch and leaving everything in a cloud of black soot.

It seems that all of this trash talk has sunkin in and your last few posts have been better. I'm willing to give you a 2nd chance now that you have checked your attitude.


Maby its just me but I think that DURAtotheMAX guy knows what hes talking about. If you all didnt jump to conclusion you might find hes a pretty good guy and one to have on your side.

You all tell him to grow up....why is it that he hasnt call any of you names yet hes been called a "dumbass, retard, douchebag, ect." ????????

Cummins makes power huh? why is it that a (my) STOCK LBZ will walk all over a modded 2001 cummins with EDGE (120hp)????
Answer: that 6 banger just doesnt have the power.

Also ScottFJ40: you remind me of a liberal tree huggin pussy in the way that you trash the dmax by saying its "Japaneese" and when someone comes back in a way that will damage or hurt your reputaion. You respond with the typical "screw you." stating mines one year younger than the "German" version is bullshit. I think your just sad that this "Jap" engine is taking rule over the diesel market.

Hey why dont you grow some balls and post here using your REAL user name. If you really are a newbie go away, you are a dumb ass. You think that CTD are a POS because you beat a modded 01. There's no way you could of beatin me if I was driving the same truck. Was the 01 a manual??? if so that sounds right because its very hard to trun good times in a NV5600 that wasnt designed for racing. When my 99 was stock (215hp) with a Edge comp box I ran a best of 14.7 in the 1/4 no lie. There's no way your stock LBZ runs 14's. If I remember correctly a 04 Dmax (300+hp) with a Edge on 5X5 only runs 15.3.

[DURAtotheMAX]

I bought the B1/B2 twins second hand from Nolan at East Coast Turbo, I guess this was one of the first sets that He and Poole built for his pulling truck. I got a deal I couldnt pass on. Nolan dynoed 610HP with a tiny HO pump. I had a full DTT build 91% with billet shafts and Hot Rod valve body that was built at J&H Performance in Redding. I had planned on ARP studding and o-ringing my head before I made a real pass. I figured it would be dumb to only run 50psi when I could run in excess of 80-psi and make more power. I also never got around to swaping out my Mach 5's for 7's. I had a big fuel line kit and pusher pump. Just talking about this makes me upset that my truck is gone. I have been into diesel performance since 2002 back when this was barley a sport and there were so many unsuspecting mustang and rice rockets on the streets. No its all the rage to have a 500hp diesel, and im stuck with my slow 6speed.

Yes I towed my 5K lb 1ton toy regulary, and it towed so nice, everything was working in harmony. Fawk I could of had the baddest diesel in the sac area. Not too many 630HP Diesel's around here. I have so many kill stories from crusing sac and racing others. It was so fun staging a 25psi 4X4 launch and leaving everything in a cloud of black soot.

It seems that all of this trash talk has sunkin in and your last few posts have been better. I'm willing to give you a 2nd chance now that you have checked your attitude.




Hey why dont you grow some balls and post here using your REAL user name. If you really are a newbie go away, you are a dumb ass. You think that CTD are a POS because you beat a modded 01. There's no way you could of beatin me if I was driving the same truck. Was the 01 a manual??? if so that sounds right because its very hard to trun good times in a NV5600 that wasnt designed for racing. When my 99 was stock (215hp) with a Edge comp box I ran a best of 14.7 in the 1/4 no lie. There's no way your stock LBZ runs 14's. If I remember correctly a 04 Dmax (300+hp) with a Edge on 5X5 only runs 15.3.

As surprising as it seems, a regular cab stock LBZ will run very high 14's. Crew cabs (short bed) run low 15's, bone stock (15.2, 15.3), and like really bone stock, not 'bone stock with just a chip'.:)

80psi damn I knew big competition tractors run around 100 or so, never realized there was anything streetable with that much. Must be something about the twins...a single running that much would either have a huge amount of drive pressure or take FOR EVER to light I would think. A guy that raced out in Michigan with a dodge (i forget if it was a 12v or 24v) had a huge single and the friggin thing wouldnt light until half way down the track...but once it lit....he ran like a 15.3 @ 105 mph or something crazy like that. Top of the stack was glowing he had so much fuel pouring in there...its nice with the twins you already got the small one spooled to jumpstart the big one.... Dmax guys are having lots of luck with the IdahoCTD twins on the Dmax's too (uses the stock turbo paired with some big turbo that Nathan custom spec's). It would have been nice, but at the time I blew my stock turbo, I just didnt have the money for twins. In hindsight I should have bought a used stock turbo for peanuts and just waited until I could afford the twins...its a pain in the ass getting the bigger single one I have now to work right and go fast....the LLY's (2nd gen, 04.5-05) have always been considered the "joke generation" of the dmax, ill be the first to admit that, and its been a long time figureing out their unique quirks, but we're slowly starting to get them to run as well as the LB7's, just takes more time and testing of different things until we find something that works..........at least the LLY injectors dont crap out every 50,000 miles like the LB7's. :D

[prototype]

Why does it seem that everyone is sooooooo concerned about which truck is the fastest, actually chevy comes in last for fastest at 96mph I think. I know my dodge does 109mph 100% stock.

Haha I know what your talking about, but seriously who cares how quick your 7,000lb diesel truck is in STOCK form. All you have to do is spend $300 on a chip and have 200+tq, if your into my truck is faster then yours. I figured if your the type of guy that want's the fastest diesel truck, which seems to change every year. You will add HP later be it a chip, exhaust, intake. Every year it seems Chevy, Dodge, Ford ups their "factory HP" just a little bit over the previous year winner. All current Diesel's have more then enough power to make you happy, so it stupid IMHO to spend $15,000 extra just to have the most factory HP or the quickest factory 1/4 mile.

Besides everyone know Cummins rules every type of Light Truck Diesel Motorsports, Drag racing, Slead Pulls, Dyno. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Seriously I never read thoes bias diesel showdowns. Go out and research, test drive, and make your own decision based on what you have learned, and what your needs are and can afford.

P.S Its so hard keeping my new to me 03 CTD stock, I really miss my 500HP 1999 CTD

I agree with you, People don't realize there trucks will not last as long compared if they left them stock. Ca highway patrol is busting people for being to loud with the diesels not having muffles. Its stupid if you ask me. I always want a nice comfy ride when im traveling in my truck. but thats just me. (and leaving everything in a cloud of black soot).The last i herd about blowing lots of black soot out your tail pipes means its not setup right and your loosing HP.:flipoff2:
Im going to laughing my ass of when everybody with diesels and all the power adding stuff will have to come off due to the new smog rules coming up in the next few years. You think gassers are bad on emissions, wait till the laws hit for diesels.

[ScottFJ40]

um.....right back at you?.

"Contribute respectfully to the board" How are you contributing respectfully to the board by being an ass to me? You're certainly not respecting me, I have no idea why. I never disrespected YOU.

TELL ME HOW TO PARTICIPATE. I CANT PARTICIPATE WHEN EVERYONE JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT AT EVERYTHING I SAY. HOW CAN I PARTICIPATE WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING? BUT THEN AGAIN I CANT SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU ALL OPEN FIRE AT ME EVERYTIME I OPEN MY MOUTH.

What is wrong with me saying what im saying? Tell me how I can change and what I can do so I dont have people stabbing me right and left.

"ya know, like respectable human beings"
do you consider yourself a respectable human being when you treat me like you do? Do you know what it means to contradict yourself?GodAMN you're a whiney fucking cunt. :shaking: Shut the fuck up you fucking pansy ass cocksucking idiot.
Your Dad should of jerked of into a flower pot. :shaking:

[ScottFJ40]

Maby its just me but I think that DURAtotheMAX guy knows what hes talking about. If you all didnt jump to conclusion you might find hes a pretty good guy and one to have on your side.

You all tell him to grow up....why is it that he hasnt call any of you names yet hes been called a "dumbass, retard, douchebag, ect." ????????

Cummins makes power huh? why is it that a (my) STOCK LBZ will walk all over a modded 2001 cummins with EDGE (120hp)????
Answer: that 6 banger just doesnt have the power.

Also ScottFJ40: you remind me of a liberal tree huggin pussy in the way that you trash the dmax by saying its "Japaneese" and when someone comes back in a way that will damage or hurt your reputaion. You respond with the typical "screw you." stating mines one year younger than the "German" version is bullshit. I think your just sad that this "Jap" engine is taking rule over the diesel market.
You're a whiney cunt too, your mom should of fallen down as flight of steps when she was knocked up with your bandwagon ass.

Your truck is a piece of fucking shit, deal with it you fucking newb douche.

[thump93yj]

How about you give this newb a chance at proving himself? :D :D
With Love, Jebob

Why don't you eat a bowl of eweeners? Just because your boy hi-jacks a once perfectly innocent thread with his diatribe on GM diesels... then get's but-hurt 'cause most of us don't care for his initial bombardment of said subject and gets his e-ass e-chewed...

And speak some decent english... your profane laced rant only uncovers you inability to communicate without it.

again I say pisss off :flipoff2:


Im a bore because you dont understand anything im talking about, its over your head and you're not cool with that....

I am only blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. In your blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah bla. So im going to blah blah you.

No, I havent blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I just blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Just blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.


You're an idiot. You hi-jack a thread with spew... apologize for it in that thread... then continue to hi-jack the thread. :confused:

I don't care what you've done anymore... I might have pre your diatribe... but now I don't care now. Maybe if you go away and come back later I will forget your pretentious dieselness and listen to you. Then whip your ass with me own diesel tow rig knowledge... of which you are unaware, btw

Oh never mind... go ahead... you've irritated a bunch of the regulars hear yet think they still NEED to know what you know. Force feed us. Go hi-jack some more threads....

Or, here is a novel idea. Start your very own thread. Make a grand entrance to the PBB and show us what you know. Call it... I'm DuramaxMan and your not. It'll be fun... I'll even bring the :beer:

[CJHeap]

I fixed this in mine. C'mon im at least a little further in depth than bolt ons, why doesnt any of this stuff give me credit?

so.....c'mon lets hear your worst question about the chevy's. Id be happy to give you my best on the protocol/transport carrier function of J1850VPW data bus in the 2003-2007 Chevy trucks, but why should I bother, CJHeap already knows about that stuff, so its old news. Just like he knows about Dmax's and Allisons.

there is you problem Dipshit. You FEEL like everyone Owes you respect. Like I said before,

I could care less about the IsuzuMax since it is wrapped up in a chebby shell, My Choice since they have always fallen apart around me since 1988 when used to actually work.

As for the Allison, I have been around a few since our dump trucks ran them. Of course those are not the light duty version that Chebby uses.

Your problem is that you have the poor attitude of a High School Punk that is not educated and is trying to thump his chest for attention. Go back to college or at least a trade school to build the basis for your trade or it is going to bite you in the ass.

Since you have no interest in off road sports and building 4wd vehicles, please go away. As it is, you are just a TROLL.

[DURAtotheMAX]

I don't care what you've done anymore... I might have pre your diatribe... but now I don't care now. Maybe if you go away and come back later I will forget your pretentious dieselness and listen to you. Then whip your ass with me own diesel tow rig knowledge... of which you are unaware, btw

Oh never mind... go ahead... you've irritated a bunch of the regulars hear yet think they still NEED to know what you know. Force feed us. Go hi-jack some more threads....

Or, here is a novel idea. Start your very own thread. Make a grand entrance to the PBB and show us what you know. Call it... I'm DuramaxMan and your not. It'll be fun... I'll even bring the :beer:

what? read that again and then retype it so the sentences make sense you illiterate fuck.

[ScottFJ40]

what? read that again and then retype it so the sentences make sense you illiterate fuck.
Jam a chainsaw up your peehole you fucking troll, he has WAY more respect and credibility than you, and your mommies truck will ever have.

Did your parents have any kids that actually lived?

Get lost, beat it, vamoose, begone you ignorant piece of fucking lhasa apso shit.

[DURAtotheMAX]

As for the Allison, I have been around a few since our dump trucks ran them. Of course those are not the light duty version that Chebby uses.


"been around"

not "rebuilt or touched or turned a wrench on"

Ive been around some pretty crazy off road rigs. Ive driven on the highway next to some OTR rigs so I guess ive been around some BIG CAM 4's too. Shit, ive been to a race track and walked around an indy car.

Heres what you have to say when I ask you if you've worked on an Allison "duuhh uhhh ive been around a few"

go suck a dick.

The Allison LCT1000 is used in some International medium duties, and in some motorhomes. The Allison 2000/2400 which is a HUGELY used and respected medium duty trans is almost identical to it. Uses the SAME torque converter, same valve body, same spin-on oil filter. Im actually running a hydrid torque converter thats built from a 2000 series torque converter in mine. The rebuild manuals/training seminars that Allison holds cover the 1000/2000/2400, so holy shit, the transmissions cant be THAT different.

I understand you have a Ford. What else is your magic 4R100 used in?

[ScottFJ40]

"been around"

not "rebuilt or touched or turned a wrench on"

Ive been around some pretty crazy off road rigs. Ive driven on the highway next to some OTR rigs so I guess ive been around some BIG CAM 4's too. Shit, ive been to a race track and walked around an indy car.

Heres what you have to say when I ask you if you've worked on an Allison "duuhh uhhh ive been around a few"

go suck a dick.

The Allison LCT1000 is used in some International medium duties, and in some motorhomes. The Allison 2000/2400 which is a HUGELY used and respected medium duty trans is almost identical to it. Uses the SAME torque converter, same valve body, same spin-on oil filter. Im actually running a hydrid torque converter thats built from a 2000 series torque converter in mine. The rebuild manuals/training seminars that Allison holds cover the 1000/2000/2400, so holy shit, the transmissions cant be THAT different.

I understand you have a Ford. What else is your magic 4R100 used in?Didn't I just tell you to shut the fuck up, andget out of here? Now scoot little girl, we don't like you. :flipoff:

[DURAtotheMAX]

My Choice since they have always fallen apart around me since 1988 when used to actually work.

nice engine you have in your CJ, id hate for it to fall apart.

Scott. you're not fucking helping this thread at all you're so fucking immature and to think it makes your dick bigger by arguing with people in this stupid a manner on the internet is fucking gay. Go jerk off to your fag litle FJ jap piece of shit.

[DURAtotheMAX]

Didn't I just tell you to shut the fuck up, andget out of here? Now scoot little girl, we don't like you. :flipoff:


why dont you make me, you cock gobbling piece of shit.

[Jeepmangled87]

hmm a 3/4 or 1 ton truck with IFS, why would you even consided chevy, Dodge or Ford in my opinion... + the Duramax??? Come on guys...

[DURAtotheMAX]

+ the Duramax??? Come on guys...

mine hasnt had any problems. GM cant even make enouhg of them to keep up with demenad. You guys are all just jealous because the idea of a japanese aluminum headed diesel doesnt sound right to your biggot racist asses. And you guys are all just sour because when it first came out no one said it would work............and it did..........and the 6.0 powerstroke didnt.

[CJHeap]

Poor little DuraTurd is out of school today. You need to go back since you can not even spell. You probably can not even read a service manual.

As for my wrenching ability, you don't have a clue. I do know how to build an engine and tranny, not just bolt on the "Fast and Furious" kit


Go away cry baby.





mine hasnt had any problems. GM cant even make enouhg of them to keep up with demenad. You guys are all just jealous because the idea of a japanese aluminum headed diesel doesnt sound right to your biggot racist asses. And you guys are all just sour because when it first came out no one said it would work............and it did..........and the 6.0 powerstroke didnt.

[DURAtotheMAX]

You probably can not even read a service manual.

As for my wrenching ability, you don't have a clue. I do know how to build an engine and tranny, not just bolt on the "Fast and Furious" kit


Go away cry baby.

do you not beelive me that ive torn down dmax's and rebuilt Allison's?? Please, tell me how I can prove it to you.

you STILL are avoiding my question. GM HD truck shit, stump me. Are you afraid that im gonn know the answer? Go get ScottFJ40, hes much better at arguing

[CJHeap]

do you not beelive me that ive torn down dmax's and rebuilt Allison's?? Please, tell me how I can prove it to you.

you STILL are avoiding my question. GM HD truck shit, stump me. Are you afraid that im gonn know the answer? Go get ScottFJ40, hes much better at arguing




Maybe you have TORN UP IsuzuMaxs but according to your previous posts.....

true, as far as the nuts and bolts and physics and the down and dirty math and stuff like that im clueless,

Yes, we know that:eek:

my knowledge isnt "vast" by any means...I work with stuff that ive taught myself by real world trial and error. I dont know near enough to work for any "big" tuning company. I just try stuff myself and if it works, great, good for me, if it doesnt work, well then I try something else. I have no former education or background in ANY of this stuff. Testing? haha the most solid testing I can confirm is seat of the pants. If it feels fast, Im happy, thats all I care about. ... I dont claim to be some superhero in that department. All it is is fuel and timing. Its pretty fogiving too unlike gasser tuning....if you pay attention to the engine and know what to listen for, it will tell you when you have gone too far

[welndmn]

He never said it ran 11.?? "stock" :shaking: . Stock can also mean stock block,heads,crank,pistons,cam,ect.

Once again I will stait it. The D-Max will run 500K if given proper maintinance just like a CTD will. :shaking: :shaking:

Also since everyone thinks he is FOS,I haven't seen anyone to go race him. Too bad no one has the balls. It would be a funny story. :laughing:
Stock means STOCK.
anything else, from bolting on his truck nutz, or an chip means modified.
Sorry, I did not make these rules, The Auto manufactors did in the early 1900's.

[welndmn]

My truck doesnt run 11's. Its 1 second slower than that.

You guys are putting words in my mouth because you are too stupid and immature to come up with anything else. You would make a good debater, like those goofy guys you see on C-span or whatever it is (now watch this, you're gonna be real clever and respond and call me a fag for mentioning c-span, it was an example, dumbass). Someone makes a decent argument or statement and best rebuttal you can come up with is "uhh well I umm uhhh....I ehh...uhh....YOU'RE A FAGGOT!! heehee YES I WIN, ME 1, YOU ZERO!!!". You mature senior members of Pirate have whatever complex with newbies, and it kills you to think that not every newbie is a dumbass, and holy shit god forbid, theres a newbie who may know as much as you about something??

Its like all the veterans think "OOOO fuck we cant let that happen, I gotta puff out my chest and show that little fucker who is boss around here, and I cant shut him down with my superior knowledge because in the current topic being discussed, my knowledge is NOT superior to this little tool's knowleged, but I cant let him win, I gotta do something...let me think....OH I know, ill shut him down by making ignorant stupid statements that make no sense whatsoever. HEE HEE that will fix him and shut him up good!!"

You were a NEWBIE once, so was everyone, its not like your gods given gift who suddenly was a superior around here, free to boss around the newbies at will. I am not here to troll of cause trouble, and im not here to be the newbie who is a cocky little fucker and tries to argue with the superior members. But when senior member attacks me in such a stupid childish manner, I am going to defend myself and not run and hide at the mention of your name like you want all the newbies to do. In the earlier thread some guy was having problems with his 8.1 Suburban stalling. Nobody before me mentioned the fix/cause of the problem, and I knew it was most likely a CKP sensor because thats a typical common problem to the 2001 Vortec 8.1's, and his had all the common symptoms. SO I posted the cause of the problem and what to do to fix it. Does that make me a bad person because I knew the answer and other more respected Pirate members didnt? Is it a crime for a newbie to know anything about anything??? Or is this some fraternity initialization thing where as long as you're new, you dont know shit about shit, even if you DO know shit about shit?? Sheesh...

Show me where I said a stock Dmax will run 11's. And a Ford Escort (oh watch this, someone cool is going to respond with 'HEE HEE A FORD ESCORT THATS PROBABLY WHAT YOU DRIVE, YOU NEWBIE!!!') will run a 10 second quarter mile stock...come on....you know what I meant. A Dmax will run 11's without major work, ie, without any internal engine work whatsoever. Nitrous, propane, chip, exhaust, built transmission. Other than the trans I dont consider that "major" work. Compared to what you'd have to do to a gasser truck to make it run an 11 second quarter mile, the diesel is "COMPARATIVELY STOCK". That is my "definition" of stock. When 99% of people talk about 11 second quarter miles, the engine mods involved take up three pages to list. I personally think its pretty cool that you dont need any engine mods (excluding the above mentioned items) to make stupid crazy HP out of a diesel, and how well the hold up at 2, 3, 4 times the stock hp and torque without anything done to the internals or engine itself.

Cummins and Dmax's have proven themselves to be easy to make big HP out of with comparatively minor mods. Both Cummins and Dmax's are quite impressive what they will do at the track with only a few things done to them. Hell, diesels in themselves are pretty amazing in that regard... Powerstroke, 7.3, great engine (except 99-early 2000 when they had powederd metal rods), but really couldnt make a lot of power without fully built internals. 6.0 Powerstrokes need headstuds and injectors to make big power or go fast. I consider THOSE two things "significant/major" engine mods. You dont need those two things on a Cummins and Dmax unless you are upgrading to a huge turbo. Even tho the 6.0 has its weaknesses when modded, SCT has done amazing things with tuning for them. The SCT tunes can control the trans which makes the 5R110 tranny's hold a surprising amount of power stock....each of the big three has its strengths and weaknesses. Just my oppinion................


I have ADD and you type to much.
If you had a valid point you could sum it up in a matter of lines.
BS'ing with 1,000 words + just means you are a FAGGOT LOL!!:flipoff2:

[CJHeap]

I have ADD and you type to much.
If you had a valid point you could sum it up in a matter of lines.
BS'ing with 1,000 words + just means you are a FAGGOT LOL!!:flipoff2:

What do you expect from the counter boy at AutoZone?

http://www.chickenorfish.com/movies/2times2many-NAWS-cof.jpg

[ScottFJ40]

why dont you make me, you cock gobbling piece of shit.
HAHA, we win troll. Your mom is a whore, your dad is a fag, you are a needle dick bug fucker and your truck is a piece of fucking shit. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

[ScottFJ40]

mine hasnt had any problems. GM cant even make enouhg of them to keep up with demenad. You guys are all just jealous because the idea of a japanese aluminum headed diesel doesnt sound right to your biggot racist asses. And you guys are all just sour because when it first came out no one said it would work............and it did..........and the 6.0 powerstroke didnt.
Hey fuck you penis sniffer, you just busted on my FJ jap crap rig, that btw would walk all over your offroad rig. Oh yeah, that's ight, you don't have one you whiney piece of pussy fart. Go die.

[theydontstop]

If only, I had a beer right now, this would make the best day at work ever!:beer: :beer: :beer:

[Danger Ranger]

I have ADD and you type to much.
If you had a valid point you could sum it up in a matter of lines.
BS'ing with 1,000 words + just means you are a FAGGOT LOL!!:flipoff2:

I ain't reading all that shit either :flipoff2:

we DRM to come argue with this guy :laughing: :flipoff2:

[DURAtotheMAX]

Hey fuck you penis sniffer, you just busted on my FJ jap crap rig, that btw would walk all over your offroad rig. Oh yeah, that's ight, you don't have one you whiney piece of pussy fart. Go die.

yeah I did just bust on your fag little yellow jap piece of shit rig. What of it. What are you going to do about it. Make me stop, just try to I dare you.

You are too stupid and illiterate to write more than 20 words in a post, that makes you just a retard, it doesnt make me a fag.

so you're the "reverend" I guess that makes you the biggest cock sucker of them all, just like all those catholic reverend priest dudes who fuck little school boys in the ass. I hope you have fun jerking off those little 12 year olds, after they fuck you in the ass.

jap rigs suck and are for dudes with small dicks. buy american you fag.

[CJHeap]

jap rigs suck and are for dudes with small dicks. buy american you fag.


is that why Gm had to go to Isuzu for a decent Diesel engine? :shaking:


Could it be because the GM attempts such as the 5.7 olds Diesel that single handidly gave diesels in the US a bad name and is the reason we have so few today?:mad3:

By the way Dipshit, GM is a worldwide conglomerate that has factories and suppliers from around the globe. They are not an " American " company any more.

[CJHeap]

Yet another thread containing a problematic Chebby:flipoff2:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=483458

[ScottFJ40]

yeah I did just bust on your fag little yellow jap piece of shit rig. What of it. What are you going to do about it. Make me stop, just try to I dare you.

You are too stupid and illiterate to write more than 20 words in a post, that makes you just a retard, it doesnt make me a fag.

so you're the "reverend" I guess that makes you the biggest cock sucker of them all, just like all those catholic reverend priest dudes who fuck little school boys in the ass. I hope you have fun jerking off those little 12 year olds, after they fuck you in the ass.

jap rigs suck and are for dudes with small dicks. buy american you fag.
You're POFS is powered by jap crap as you so eloquently put it. I don't need to post up 1000 word posts to prop up my manhood, like you. In fact, I am 100% man, ask your mom son.

Do you really think I care about your little peonic life? Why would I EVER waste an adult conversation on you, you smellylittle wart on a troll's ass?

You are nothing here now, you were nothing here yesterday, and tomorrow, well I'm sure even you, with you diminutive brain and inverted vagina, can figure that out.

Now go chew on the end of a 12 gauge you sissy bitch. :laughing:

[theydontstop]

yeah I did just bust on your fag little yellow jap piece of shit rig. What of it. What are you going to do about it. Make me stop, just try to I dare you.

You are too stupid and illiterate to write more than 20 words in a post, that makes you just a retard, it doesnt make me a fag.

so you're the "reverend" I guess that makes you the biggest cock sucker of them all, just like all those catholic reverend priest dudes who fuck little school boys in the ass. I hope you have fun jerking off those little 12 year olds, after they fuck you in the ass.

jap rigs suck and are for dudes with small dicks. buy american you fag.

I think I can count and he posted 39 words, so change your 20 to 40 and it's all good.

And yet the pissing match continues with the Chevy power CJ guy pointing out Chevy's with problems:shaking: :rolleyes: :shaking: :rolleyes: :shaking: :rolleyes:

Wow, what brilliance we have here. Guess what, buy any of the 3, and it's gonna get your trailered pile to the trails to wheel. And guess what, everyone else will be there too whether it's a Chevy, Dodge, Ford(alphabetical order so no one gets their panties twisted).

[CJHeap]

I rescued a good engine from the Crap Box it came in, what is yout point?:flipoff2:


I think I can count and he posted 39 words, so change your 20 to 40 and it's all good.

And yet the pissing match continues with the Chevy power CJ guy pointing out Chevy's with problems:shaking: :rolleyes: :shaking: :rolleyes: :shaking: :rolleyes:

Wow, what brilliance we have here. Guess what, buy any of the 3, and it's gonna get your trailered pile to the trails to wheel. And guess what, everyone else will be there too whether it's a Chevy, Dodge, Ford(alphabetical order so no one gets their panties twisted).

[theydontstop]

I rescued a good engine from the Crap Box it came in, what is yout point?:flipoff2:

Sounds good to me. I wanta go 5.3 vortec in my heep(no really, the parts are in a heep!) too.

[DURAtotheMAX]

Do you really think I care about your little peonic life? Why would I EVER waste an adult conversation on you, you smellylittle wart on a troll's ass?


you're doing that right now, fucktard.

60,000 people on this board and you're concerning yourself with ME.

what a pathetic fucking life you have. Go fuck your FJ up the tailpipe.

[DURAtotheMAX]

is that why Gm had to go to Isuzu for a decent Diesel engine?

GM owns part of Isuzu, dumbass. So therefore they didnt "go to Isuzu for a decent diesel engine"

When was the last time DODGE or FORD designed a good diesel?:flipoff2:

last I knew ford had to "go to navistar for a decent diesel engine"
last I knew Dodge had to "go to cummins for a decent diesel engine"

:flipoff2:

[CJHeap]

So Gm isn't a American company . So much for your Buy American BS.:flipoff2: It is a Jap design.




Ford and Dodge were smart enough that they went to the experts (American Companys) for a real diesel instead of trying to convert a gas engine to diesel.


http://www.chickenorfish.com/movies/2times2many-NAWS-cof.jpg

GM owns part of Isuzu, dumbass. So therefore they didnt "go to Isuzu for a decent diesel engine"

When was the last time DODGE or FORD designed a good diesel?:flipoff2:

last I knew ford had to "go to navistar for a decent diesel engine"
last I knew Dodge had to "go to cummins for a decent diesel engine"

:flipoff2:

[thump93yj]

what? read that again and then retype it so the sentences make sense you illiterate fuck.

ooch... that almost hurt my feelings... I'm gonna miss you when school starts back up again... you lil' doodoo head

[DURAtotheMAX]

So Gm isn't a American company . So much for your Buy American BS.:flipoff2: It is a Jap design.




Ford and Dodge were smart enough that they went to the experts (American Companys) for a real diesel instead of trying to convert a gas engine to diesel.

show me how GM isnt an American company.

When you buy a Duramax, you're paying an american company and American workers and american supplies/raw materials, except the HPCR injection system, which is from Bosch in Germany.

You think the Dmax is a converted gas engine? Prove it. Seeing as GM owns most of Isuzu, GM Powertrain worked with Isuzu in the design of the engine. Isuzu knows a thing or two about building diesel engines, theyve been doing it for over 60 years, retard. The Duramax is built in the USA by American workers.

too bad same cant be said about the 3rd gen Dodges, which are made by little spics in mexico getting paid like 30 cents an hour.

tell me how the biggest joke ever (VT365) is even close to being considered a real diesel engine.:flipoff2:

[DURAtotheMAX]

ooch... that almost hurt my feelings... I'm gonna miss you when school starts back up again... you lil' doodoo head


doodoo head.....?? Graduate from the 3rd grade you fag. "doodoo head"....wow....I cant beleive I am communicating with educated people here...

[DURAtotheMAX]

By the way Dipshit, GM is a worldwide conglomerate that has factories and suppliers from around the globe. They are not an " American " company any more.

then who the FUCK owns Jaguar and Volvo you dumbass.

who the FUCK owns Mercedez-Benz you dumbass.

Ford and Dodge are not anymore of an American company than GM.

Who makes the electronics in Dodge's and Ford? FUCKIN MEXICAN'S!!!!! Who makes all of the Chevy electronics? Delphi Electronics, in NEW YORK, USA.:flipoff2:

as I said before, there is not ONE part of the Chevy HD trucks that is made outside of the US. The only single part on my whole truck that is MEXICAN is the Bose stereo amplifier. And my frame, thats made in Canada.

[CJHeap]

You are the one saying "buy American" I guess the truth hurts you ButtBoy.

There is no such thing as an American car company just the same as jap cars built here are not imports.




http://www.chickenorfish.com/movies/2times2many-NAWS-cof.jpg



then who the FUCK owns Jaguar and Volvo you dumbass.

who the FUCK owns Mercedez-Benz you dumbass.

Ford and Dodge are not anymore of an American company than GM.

Who makes the electronics in Dodge's and Ford? FUCKIN MEXICAN'S!!!!! Who makes all of the Chevy electronics? Delphi Electronics, in NEW YORK, USA.:flipoff2:

as I said before, there is not ONE part of the Chevy HD trucks that is made outside of the US. The only single part on my whole truck that is MEXICAN is the Bose stereo amplifier. And my frame, thats made in Canada.

[DURAtotheMAX]

You are the one saying "buy American" I guess the truth hurts you ButtBoy.

There is no such thing as an American car company just the same as jap cars built here are not imports.

When I bought my truck I did "BUY AMERICAN".

OK so first you said Ford and Dodge are american companies and GM is not, now you're saying there is no such thing as an American car company. You're retarded. You contradict yourself and disagree with yourself every other post.

SO, basically you're saying theres nothing in the world that I know more about than you? Is that fair to say?

[DURAtotheMAX]

also, I forget where the post is, but someone told me to "go back to my rice truck"

hahahahahahaha that is priceless. A RICE TRUCK. What the hell is a rice truck??? You are calling my 7,400 pound american made truck that tows tractors with a GN all summer a RICE TRUCK just because its fast????? Thats freakin lame!! What does my truck have in common with the fucking honda with 8" muffler that you always pull up next to at the stoplight?

oh, just an FYI. I dont have "NAWS" (as you call it) on my truck and I never will have "NAWS" on my truck. The only thing my engine has ever been run on is air and diesel fuel.

[TacoJedbob7]

where the cheerleaders at? i got the pom poms and KY

[CJHeap]

http://www.chickenorfish.com/movies/2times2many-NAWS-cof.jpg
show me how GM isnt an American company.

When you buy a Duramax, you're paying an american company and American workers and american supplies/raw materials, except the HPCR injection system, which is from Bosch in Germany.

You think the Dmax is a converted gas engine? Prove it. Seeing as GM owns most of Isuzu, GM Powertrain worked with Isuzu in the design of the engine. Isuzu knows a thing or two about building diesel engines, theyve been doing it for over 60 years, retard. The Duramax is built in the USA by American workers.



Since you know nothing about economics, it will be hard. Simply put, GM is a multi national corp with factories all over the world. The Isuzu holdings being one. All of the factories in Mexico being others, you know, the ones that will be picking up the slack from all of the lazy union workers in the US that are loosing their jobs.

You might buy a truck using a multi national bank for the financing then the money goes all over the world for operations and stock holder profits (except that GM is loosing its ass so no profits).


Go back to school you ignorant f\uck

[ScottFJ40]

you're doing that right now, fucktard.

60,000 people on this board and you're concerning yourself with ME.

what a pathetic fucking life you have. Go fuck your FJ up the tailpipe.
I certainly will, after I make you a new little brother. ;)

[CJHeap]

http://www.chickenorfish.com/movies/2times2many-NAWS-cof.jpg
When I bought my truck I did "BUY AMERICAN".

OK so first you said Ford and Dodge are american companies and GM is not, now you're saying there is no such thing as an American car company. You're retarded. You contradict yourself and disagree with yourself every other post.



Prove it dipshit. I never said that. You are the one claiming that they are not and that GM is.

[ScottFJ40]

What does my truck have in common with the fucking honda with 8" muffler that you always pull up next to at the stoplight?

Ummmm, let me see, they both are piloted by penile-challenged adolescents with BIG issues and insecurities????

[CJHeap]

where the cheerleaders at? i got the pom poms and KY

I bet you do:eek:






















for you and your AE

[TacoJedbob7]

should i warm up that KY for ya?

[TacoJedbob7]

I bet you do:eek:










for you and your AE

:laughing: :laughing: i knew youd like that one

[Sleepertrk]

Nope the Cummins I raced was an auto, he has the 120HP chip like I said. He also has tranny work done and a AFE air intake.
And my STOCK LBZ WHOOPED HIS ASS!!!! :flipoff2:

LMFAO! you bash chevy then run them in your rig!!!!! fuckin queer :shaking:

Like I said, your all cryin cause this "Jap" truck is taking over the diesel market.

Todd

[prototype]

you all should shut the f*** up (or im gonna tell you my gasser 460 will beat all of your asses). you have waisted peoples time on this thread. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

[CJHeap]

Dream on. Chebby does not make a WORK truck. :flipoff2:

so, are you another fag from the isuzumax wedsite or just another AE?

Nope the Cummins I raced was an auto, he has the 120HP chip like I said. He also has tranny work done and a AFE air intake.
And my STOCK LBZ WHOOPED HIS ASS!!!! :flipoff2:

LMFAO! you bash chevy then run them in your rig!!!!! fuckin queer :shaking:

Like I said, your all cryin cause this "Jap" truck is taking over the diesel market.

Todd

[Sleepertrk]

you all should shut the f*** up (or im gonna tell you my gasser 460 will beat all of your asses). you have waisted peoples time on this thread. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:


Thats funny, I raced a 460 w/ a 100 shot of nitrous and he ran a 15.104 to MY 15.201. Keep in mind this was my 6th time EVER racing the 1/4mile.

I came across this site lookin for rock crawler info and seen the bashing of brands and JUST HAD TO JOIN IN!!!! :D lol

Cummins and powerJokes still suck! lol

and scott: why all the queer remarks? just making up for your dad bein gay and your mom bein a crack whore? afraid to show the real you? or maby thats all you think about...queers that is :flipoff2:

Todd

[DURAtotheMAX]

Dream on. Chebby does not make a WORK truck. :flipoff2:

so, are you another fag from the isuzumax wedsite or just another AE?


pretty bold coming from a guy who has a little TAHOE/YUKON motor in his rig. Who did the programming to disable the VATS? You I assume?

or do you just run the whole stupid gmt-800 steering column in your rig?:laughing:

[CJHeap]

pretty bold coming from a guy who has a little TAHOE/YUKON motor in his rig. Who did the programming to disable the VATS? You I assume?

or do you just run the whole stupid gmt-800 steering column in your rig?:laughing:

It probably has a better program than one of your hack jobs. Yes, Vats is disabled as is the fuel tank sensor, rear O2 and there is now an electric fan control among other tweaks. It runs much better now that it is out of a GM product.

You are pretty stupid since I guess you do not realize that the Cj ran a GM column Dipshit.

Take you and your ButtBoy AE back to the Isuzu site now.

[DURAtotheMAX]

You are pretty stupid since I guess you do not realize that the Cj ran a GM column Dipshit. .

not a GMT-800 column with a collapsable center section, clockspring, passlock 2 Hall-effect sensor, ignition switch in the column (not at the base like your goofy setup) and SIR, dipshit.

"it runs much better now that its out of a GM product"

you're just retarded for saying that. That motor IS a GM product!! How could it run better now, its just a frikkin dime a dozen SUV motor thats only been around since '99, you dumbass.

as for the programming, I asked if you did it yourself. Simple yes or no question. How did you verify the checksum and match the BCC in the program? What is the PCM ID? Answer my question, or are you afraid?

[CJHeap]

Why would I be afraid of a teenager who dosent know crap about engines or fabing? I an sure not going to tell you my settings since you should know if you are such a Whiz.

And yes the Vortec is a GM product. So what. It was still wrapped up in a shitbox from the same line as you truck.



not a GMT-800 column with a collapsable center section, clockspring, passlock 2 Hall-effect sensor, ignition switch in the column (not at the base like your goofy setup) and SIR, dipshit.

"it runs much better now that its out of a GM product"

you're just retarded for saying that. That motor IS a GM product!! How could it run better now, its just a frikkin dime a dozen SUV motor thats only been around since '99, you dumbass.

as for the programming, I asked if you did it yourself. Simple yes or no question. How did you verify the checksum and match the BCC in the program? What is the PCM ID? Answer my question, or are you afraid?

[DURAtotheMAX]

I an sure not going to tell you my settings since you should know if you are such a Whiz.


BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW!!!!!

you're a dumbass. Stop claiming you know things that you dont know. You have no idea what the fuck is involved in disabling the VATS. You probably didnt even know what VATS stood for until you googled it.

[4.3crawler]

wow, this thread started off innocent enough. I guess now we're trying to catch up to the other diesel thread in the shit-talking department.

i've driven all of the big three's diesels and have had the opportunity to tow with all of them (thanks to friends & business). they all have their positives & their pitfalls, however in my experience the biggest factor in the trucks longevity is not whether it's a ford, dodge, or chevy, it's the nut behind the wheel maintaining the truck.

just my two cents.. and thanks for all the entertainment!!!

[BigDan]

Nope the Cummins I raced was an auto, he has the 120HP chip like I said. He also has tranny work done and a AFE air intake.
And my STOCK LBZ WHOOPED HIS ASS!!!! :flipoff2:

LMFAO! you bash chevy then run them in your rig!!!!! fuckin queer :shaking:

Like I said, your all cryin cause this "Jap" truck is taking over the diesel market.

Todd

Who gives a fuck that you beat some senior citizen that didnt know how to race. Like I said before you dumb fuck, there's no fuckin way you could beat me if I was driving a little 215hp CTD with a comp box. Even though ou still have the HP advantage. You have 360hp vs 215HP + 90 actual HP from a comp box. But I bet ill still kick your bitch ass at the track. Do you know what your truck runs????

Probably not because your not allowed to take the truck out after dark. Your now my bitch...

Why the fuck do you come here? Who the fuck are you??

Why dont you jerk off to the dieselstop or whatever :rainbow:dmax circle jerker BB.

[TacoJedbob7]

Who gives a fuck that you beat some senior citizen that didnt know how to race. Like I said before you dumb fuck, there's no fuckin way you could beat me if I was driving a little 215hp CTD with a comp box. Even though ou still have the HP advantage. You have 360hp vs 215HP + 90 actual HP from a comp box. But I bet ill still kick your bitch ass at the track. Do you know what your truck runs????

Probably not because your not allowed to take the truck out after dark. Your now my bitch...

Why the fuck do you come here? Who the fuck are you??

Why dont you jerk off to the dieselstop or whatever :rainbow:dmax circle jerker BB.

i cant wait for the morning...:D

[CJHeap]

Hey Retard, If you were half as smart as you claim to be, you would read my sig. You know where you figured out that I ran a Vortec. It clearly lists Speartech, John was the GM engineer that designed the system that you hack around on and He set up mine and built my custom harness. Again, I never said I programmed the ECU but I do know the settings that were used .




BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW!!!!!

you're a dumbass. Stop claiming you know things that you dont know. You have no idea what the fuck is involved in disabling the VATS. You probably didnt even know what VATS stood for until you googled it.

[thump93yj]

doodoo head.....?? Graduate from the 3rd grade you fag. "doodoo head"....wow....I cant beleive I am communicating with educated people here...

You're still a doodoo head.

I'm smarter than you.

My truck's better than yours.

My dad could whip your dad's ass.

[welndmn]

You're still a doodoo head.

I'm smarter than you.

My truck's better than yours.

My dad could whip your dad's ass.
My dad is a TV repair man and can fix anything!

Also my penis is the biggest!!!!!

[theydontstop]

not a GMT-800 column with a collapsable center section, clockspring, passlock 2 Hall-effect sensor, ignition switch in the column (not at the base like your goofy setup) and SIR, dipshit.

"it runs much better now that its out of a GM product"

you're just retarded for saying that. That motor IS