Why do most people choose Dynatrac over other axle makers?

P.S. Please don't post anything thing about high clearance, I know. My question is if their quality is really worth the price. (considering that a "shitty" D60 does the job just fine)

Because they have too much money and dont want to do the work them self

Personally I dont think they are worth the price but then agine im poor. I think its the name thing going on here. Sorta like I have a cool ass dana 60 and you only have a dumb cheap 14 bolt. but that is just my opnion.

Originally posted by A 4 liter V8 eater
Why do most people choose Dynatrac over other axle makers?

P.S. Please don't post anything thing about high clearance, I know. My question is if their quality is really worth the price. (considering that a "shitty" D60 does the job just fine)
They don't know any better :D

No, alot of what is paid for is the name.
Hmmm, define a shitty 60.

Definition of a shitty 60 = ones like dynatrac sells with ball joints insted of king pins:D

I was mostly being sarcastic when I said shitty 60, but on the other hand there were those corse splined ones with 44 sized shafts. When compared to the 60-2 I guess those might seem shitty.

Is there a cheaper axle maker out there? Or should I just narrow a set? Narrowing still means custom shafts, gears, and a locker.

Originally posted by A 4 liter V8 eater
I was mostly being sarcastic when I said shitty 60, but on the other hand there were those corse splined ones with 44 sized shafts. When compared to the 60-2 I guess those might seem shitty.

Is there a cheaper axle maker out there? Or should I just narrow a set? Narrowing still means custom shafts, gears, and a locker.

You could check Currie prices.
If you have the resources, do it yourself as far as the housing/tubes go. Have the Dutchman make up or cut down the shafts.
Yeah, king pins are the way to go.

Call me a Jack Ass then... I just sent Dynatrac a check 2 weeks ago!

60

60

60

35 spline innner/outers-dertoit!

Thanks

Jack Hole:eek: :flipoff2:
(does this make me a bad ass wheeler:rolleyes: ?)

ain't nothing wrong with buying your stuff...

as long as you know what you've got and how to fix it when it breaks


I'm just a cheap bastard with more time than money though.

Originally posted by CHOKEu
(does this make me a bad ass wheeler:rolleyes: ?)

Nope just proves the theory that a sucker is born every day :flipoff2:

Originally posted by CHOKEu
Call me a Jack Ass then... I just sent Dynatrac a check 2 weeks ago!

60

60

60

35 spline innner/outers-dertoit!

Thanks

Jack Hole:eek: :flipoff2:
(does this make me a bad ass wheeler:rolleyes: ?)

Kevin, Kevin, Kevin I hook you up on an Atlas you don't call me on a Dynatrac 60?


Unless you do everything your self I've found any of the people building beefy axles are pretty close in price. RP Tera 60's Dynatrac shaved RP 60's etc.

Originally posted by Mo
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I'm just a cheap bastard with more time than money though.

i think that describes a MAJORITY of us here Mo:D

Originally posted by CJBoxer


Nope just proves the theory that a sucker is born every day :flipoff2:

Right on!:D I will be one happy Sucka...:D :D

Originally posted by Steve N


Kevin, Kevin, Kevin I hook you up on an Atlas you don't call me on a Dynatrac 60?


Unless you do everything your self I've found any of the people building beefy axles are pretty close in price. RP Tera 60's Dynatrac shaved RP 60's etc.

Steve,

I didn't know you could get their stuff... Ie.- cheaper?

What kind of deals can you get?

Definition of a shitty 60 = ones like dynatrac sells with ball joints insted of king pins

you should look a little closer if you are going to buy a dynatrac 60 because they only sell the ball joint style so in my opinion they suck

beg to differ dynatrac DOES make kingpin 60s i have one....so does rokheep call and ask if u dont beleive or at least they did 2 months agao;)

Well for all new stuff I think the price isn't far off the mark. If you get a used 60 and reuse most of the parts then sure you can save some $$$. What sucks about them is thier service. At least thats my beef with them.

i see no reason to buy dyna's in fact all of the old shaved ones are comming back due to cracking in the housing see they had the full 60 sent it out to walker evan i believe to shave them not like tera 60 thats why they came out with their new style. and they make them in 5 lug ball joint
i paid 649.00$ for a tera housing with tubes slapped 14 bolt spindles and 35 spline full floats cheaper the half of a dynatrack...
ya there is some work involved but its well worth it and ten times stronger
fawkkkkkk dynatrac!!!! they are thieves

What about drive train direct or drive train specialties. How are these?

Do you know what a TÜV is ?
It would give no discussion about danas 60 or 44 or 70, if you heard about UNIMOG axles. I have seen a Jeep CJ with UNIMOG S404 axles build in Germany. The UNIMOG axles have great ground clearance, because of a spezial construction . The diff is in a upper position, not in the middle of the axle. The sprength is very high. You cant distroy them. They have lockers build in.
I have had a UNINMOG S404 and I have pulled out trees plus roots with this truck.
I would build this axles in my XJ, but the TÜV would not allow this, they supervise eyery car of its technical equipment. There are no papers to do this, therefor you have no chance.
Now I rebuild my XJ with D44 and D60, if I could I would take UNIMOG.

ya dude i know exactly what they are in fact i too was going to build some 404 mogs but it not only would cost alot of money but i would not be able to drive at my regular highway speeds and the final gearing is 7.56 where the hell are you going with that even with 44's crazy so i will just stick with the 60's that i built which cost me less then 5 grand and the stregnth is more then enough i will never break a 35 spline full floater....

From what I know, they use a 100 ton press to put in the axle housing tubes. They then rossette (plug) weld them with a heliarc welder for better pentration. This is a better process than what most people use. Although I haven't heard fo an axle housing tube falling out.

They also use 1/2" wall axle housing tube made of superior materials than stock. This makes is less likely to bend an axle housing tube.

They paint inside and out for better oil circulation. The new pro rock 60 ($250ish option) is 40% stronger than a tera center section in a crush test.

All parts that are used are top of the line. A dumbass can order and come out with a well built axle. I also like that they keep all of my custom axle lengths, etc on file, so that I do not have to dig through my files ( I am not one to memorize my axle lengths). I also like that the front u-joints are not the zerc type (stronger). They are also the true spicer ones. There hi-steer arms are beefy and are blank. This means that when you order them you can have them do whatever you want for hole configuration. I have also heard that the center section is made of a better iron than other companies.

12 month warranty seems short to me, but at least they have one. I think that if something was going to fail, it would within the first year anyways. There new diff covers are bad ass as well.

Their brakes are huge and their disc brake shields can take a serious beating.

The final reason I like them is that you can get a 5 on 5.5 lug pattern and still have it be a full float.

Way

When I was searching for price I found that if you needed a farily standard axle and was not fiiting it into a custom type application that is was cheaper to go this route. But, if you need to replace ball joints (not a fun job), locker, gears, brake components etc and do not want 8 on 6.5, it is better to go with an aftermarket company. It is also very expensive to set up gears and a locker if you do nto do it yourself. Add in bearing and new seals with the locker, etc and you will have a lot of money into an inferior product----just my opinion.

hey way well i really beg to differ
the tera set up is EXACTLY the same 3 dom tubes but plugged made from a mold not added weldeding and cutting. as far as the other stuff ie,u-joint gears and bearings that stuff is cheap and a joke to put in.its not hard to do i know most guys rather a pro do it but you know what i mean.they cater to the guys who want big stuff but have no clue which is cool but for somene who has a bit of knowledge or who is frugal with money dynatrac axles is a definate rip off....
my tera set-up is a much stronger set-up the dynatracs and it cost half the price gears and lockers and ff shafts and bracketry...

Remember that there are several grades of DOM (drawn of mandrel--meaning that the inside diameter is consistant througout with precision). You have some valid points referring cost. If you were an axle guru, that can set up gears, lockers, ball joints, set caster/camber where it needs to be, have the ability to heliarc weld!, and have all of the tooling to do this. then you are better off building a Tera axle. However I really like that the engineeers decreased the volume of the diff below the center line. The center section is made of a high strength nodular iron that is heat treated. This makes it stronger in a crush test than a Tera axle by 40%. I know you didn't care about ground clearance, but at 1/4" more clearance than a 44, it is right were it needs to be. I like that you can still use a normal reverse cut ring and pinion (meaning it is a high pinion).Torq loads on their axles are 16,000 lb-ft. Any idea what a Terea is (I don't)? There oil flow system is top notch in imporving oil ciruclation to keep everything cool in highway applications.

The last thing I would like to point out is that by using a 100 ton press to put the axle housing tubes in, they claim that an entire vehicle weight can be put on the axle prior to welding!!!

Way

P.S. If you had a gift certificate for any axle out there (meaning that the cost was irrelavant), what would you buy??? Now, how much is quality worth to you would be my next question. It is nice to know that everything in your axle is new and high quality and not fatigued.

EDIT: Tj7, it is fine if we disagree, but I am curious how you backup your opinion with technical information. Opinions really do not mean a whole lot to me.

Dynatrac makes the finest quality axles in the country. If you want the best quality you'll have to pay for it.

Not to mention most average wheelers aren't gonna be able to retube a diff and set it up totally custom. Most can't even do gears...

CJ

Originally posted by Way

P.S. If you had a gift certificate for any axle out there (meaning that the cost was irrelavant), what would you buy??? Now, how much is quality worth to you would be my next question. It is nice to know that everything in your axle is new and high quality and not fatigued.



I'll tell you right now it wouldn;t be a Dynarape...I would have to go for a Avalanche Portal:D:D:D

I hope you are joking!!!

Man, I guess you have not seen them in person (especially in competition). They have been running 37" tires and destroying them left and right. I think I would choose a CV joint axle, before I choose there portal axle, and CVs really suck!

To sum it up...good idea but bad execution. Still not seeing any technical information for not going with a Dynatrac.

Way

Ok, this is a objective reason not to go w/ dyna trash..... For me , and I am sure many others buildin your own shiat is more than just to save money. Buildin the shit is more than half the fun for me, Am I alone on this ???? Even if my axle isnt as strong as a dynatrac, has a bit less clearance, I will build it anyways. That being said, I am sure bought parts have their place, I aint shittin anyone who choses to drop the loot instead of buildin your own, it is a matter of choice, with lots of factors involved.
Just my $.002

Originally posted by Way
I hope you are joking!!!

Man, I guess you have not seen them in person (especially in competition). They have been running 37" tires and destroying them left and right. I think I would choose a CV joint axle, before I choose there portal axle, and CVs really suck!

To sum it up...good idea but bad execution. Still not seeing any technical information for not going with a Dynatrac.

Way

So you saw the busted open portal at Farmington also:D




So why is a Kingpin 60 so much stronger than a ball joint 60?

I haven't seen any on PBB,only 44's w\ ball joints


Rob

Originally posted by Klasick68
Ok, this is a objective reason not to go w/ dyna trash..... For me , and I am sure many others buildin your own shiat is more than just to save money. Buildin the shit is more than half the fun for me, Am I alone on this ???? Even if my axle isnt as strong as a dynatrac, has a bit less clearance, I will build it anyways. That being said, I am sure bought parts have their place, I aint shittin anyone who choses to drop the loot instead of buildin your own, it is a matter of choice, with lots of factors involved.
Just my $.002

i agree. i have a grand total of about $1200 in my front dana 60 and rear c&c 14bolt combined. if you add up what they want for a set i saved enough to pay for my vortec 350, th400, atlas, m8274, etc.

So you saw the busted open portal at Farmington also

Which time??? Recently, or the past several times? I can remember two competitions where the axle broke. One time it was the center section also. Living in Durango next to Avalanche and knowing several of the people that work there, I can say that it is still in the development stage. Props to them for trying to create a portal axle though. Planatary (sp?) gearing with extra reduction makes a lot of sense.

Way

P.S. "P.S. If you had a gift certificate for any axle out there (meaning that the cost was irrelavant), what would you buy???" was what I wrote earlier. Price not being a factor to put is simply.

Building your own axle is the first comment that actually makes sense. Regardless I imagine that most of the people that buy Dynatracs design the suspension linkage and steering, which to me is more exciting that pressing in axle tubes---just my opinion. Must be a Jeep thing and I don't want to understand. :D (flame suit on)

Originally posted by Way


I imagine that most of the people that buy Dynatracs design the suspension linkage and steering,

i doubt that. i imagine MOST people who want to fork over $8k+ for a set of axles will fork over more $$$ to have someone else set up thier susp. too. i am speeking from what i have see. as i said MOST not all.

I thought that most people that bought Dynatracs were fairly hard core. People that used them for buggy applications. I can't imagine that Jeep owners account for the majority of their business??? As far as I know, Jeeps are the only vehicle that they have bracket kits for.

From what I know (not a Jeep owner), that even though the market place caters to mostly Jeep, that the type of people that need the strength of a Dyantrac axle are not the chrome pretty boy jeepers (what I call them) and are the type that have four link set-ups. Am I wrong, or are most Jeep owners bolt and go?

Way

Back to the question about kingpins vs. balljoints. Why kingpins, are they that much stronger? Aren't they more expensive? I am looking to replace the 44 in my tow rig and maybe put a 60 in my flatty(way down the road unless I get that job w/ Lockheed).