California Wilderness Coalition Falsifies Letter of Support
http://www.4x4wire.com/access/news/ca/wild/wildlands.htm
For several months, access and property rights advocates have been investigating the facts in an incident involving misuse of official government seals by the California Wilderness Coalition (CWC) and The Nature Conservancy (TNC)....

In a nutshell, the CWC and TNC misused the USGS seal to promote 'Missing Linkages,' which is one of the theories they use to rationalize their latest land-grab, an ongoing effort to add an additional 7 million acres (almost 11,000 square miles!) to the already existing 14 million acres of Wilderness in California.

I hope the district attornies go after this HARD! This can be a good start to hammering away at the seeming limitless trust of legislators for greenies -- we can show them for the liars and manipulators extraoirdinaire that they are, and highlight the extremes to which they will go to press their anti-access agenda...

They use junk science and outright fraud to advance their cause -- let's use the truth to light a fire under THEM!

Randii

Whoops -- that link didn't process as clickable... try this one for more info: http://www.4x4wire.com/access/news/ca/wild/wildlands.htm

what can we do help make these organizations burn?

Busted! Only problem is I bet none of this will be reported in the Liberal media. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Whitewater
Busted! Only problem is I bet none of this will be reported in the Liberal media. :rolleyes:

That seems to be the big bitch here :mad: I see us uncovering crap about the greens almost every other day, but there is no fukin way we will ever see this in the mainstream media :mad3: :mad3:

Originally posted by Mustard Dog


That seems to be the big bitch here :mad: I see us uncovering crap about the greens almost every other day, but there is no fukin way we will ever see this in the mainstream media :mad3: :mad3:

Someone should call up FOX news. They would run a story on it...

why dont YOU call up FOX news, instead of expecting someone else to do it for you :rolleyes:. Unfortunately tho i highly doubt they will report on it even if you do.

Dallas

Originally posted by StinkBug
why dont YOU call up FOX news, instead of expecting someone else to do it for you :rolleyes:. Unfortunately tho i highly doubt they will report on it even if you do.

Dallas

Stay right there, I'll go get the cheese... :flipoff2:

I won't call up FOX news or send them an email because I don't feel like I have enough information on the subject. Someone that does know what is going on should write them an email or something and let O'Reilly bitch about it...

Yeah Yeah...Sick O'Reilly on them :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: that would be sweet!

:flipoff: Greenies :flipoff:

Hold on just a minute while I finish getting in this flame suit...
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Okay, I'm ready. Let's be honest, people, this isn't - oh, wait a minute, I only have two fire extinguishers handy. Better get 4 more. Back in a sec....
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Okay. Let's be honest, people, this isn't a big deal. Read the link. It's not worthy of leading the 6 o'clock news. Yeah it's a screw-up on CWC's part, and I'm glad randii pointed it out, but it's a side issue. Why not focus on the main issues? We'll win more friends that way.

The fact that the USGS responded like they did in that letter shows how sensitive they are to being accused of pro-greenie bias. This is an old issue, although usually the case is that some government employees try to commit the whole agency. The sheet hit the fan on this years ago, due to media pressure (what, the "liberal" media did something anti-environmental? :eek: ), and all the agencies have to walk a very fine line about not appearing to give any kind of endorsement.

I just don't buy this stuff about how the whole world is against us. The only thing that's against us is all the trash on the trail and the assholes that drive where they shouldn't drive. Fix those things and we won't have any problems.

Hold on just a minute while I finish getting in this flame suit...
Nah... no flamesuit required.

Let's be honest, people, this isn't a big deal.
In and of itself, no... but in the context, taken with the consistent lies and abuse of process exhibited by the anti-access advocates.

It's not worthy of leading the 6 o'clock news.
No, but the way they promote pictures of some yahoo stuck in a ditch (saw coverage of this just this weekend) and hype the stupidity of 'wheelers (and no, I don't buy that some dud stuck ina ditch was WHEELING!), well they could hype the other side, too. If sensationalist news anchors know anything, they know that conspiracy theories draw an audience. You don't have to look too hard....
Greens Committing Scientific Fraud: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48207
Pipes Canyon Historic Throughway Destroyed: http://www.outdoorwire.com/access/columns/ca_pipes/ca_pipes.htm
...or more institutionalized:
BLM Redefines Roads Out of Existence: http://www.4x4wire.com/access/columns/letters/namd_instant.htm
Heck, and that is just five minutes of looking.... :rolleyes:

It isn't just their mistake that is news-worthy --- it is the closurist agenda (they generally keep this mum) that deserves the real spotlight. I think we're saying the same thing, let's "focus on the main issues"

I just don't buy this stuff about how the whole world is against us.
Nor do I -- that's THEIR argument, and I don't buy it. I'd like to focus attention on the fallacy they support, that everyone is on THEIR side.... the truth is that most people are undecided OR EVEN ON OUR SIDE, but are easily led. And the anti-access advocates are more than willing to lead the masses, and try to convince them that the green agenda IS truly the majority agenda. HOGWASH. Their agenda is created by a few and spun by a handful more to the spoonfed masses (Sierra Club, anyone?).... yet support is somehow presumed. :rolleyes:

Anyway, my point is that each time they slip up, we need to put their feet to the fire... they sure do the same to us. :(

Randii

You can ignore the deception as long as you care to believe the folks making the "mistakes" in judgement are simpletons, but the fact remains they have a plan to close out the motorized public from large tracts of land (public and private) and are acting on the plan.

I can agree with someone who believes any single unconnected act of deception is minor, but when acts of deception are connected by a common thread (over a number of years and actions), then you need to rethink the gravity of the potentially illegal actions.

Take a break and look at one of the web stories offered, regarding Pipes Canyon Road, and read the current status of activity for this tract of land.
This used to be a public right of way due to historical usage, even though it runs through public and private land holdings. A few years ago a land trust purchased the private holdings located on the edge of BLM and USFS lands, with the advertised intention to grant the property to the public.

They finally appear to be willing to grant the property to the public, but not after some "restoration" and "development" effort to place their own mark on the property, and not without limitions on the allowed usage (Wilderness). When was the last time an environmentalist organization allowed the development of a Visitor Center in pristine wilderness surrounded by Roadless Areas?

Keep reading, as it happened quite recently.

Happy Trails!

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A little history:

Pipes Canyon Historic Throughway Destroyed: http://www.outdoorwire.com/access/c...es/ca_pipes.htm

Connect this with "Pipes Canyon Road (BLM addition) is being restored to its natural state. There is no grazing or logging within the wilderness proposal." from the following update.

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Current status:

http://www.calwild.org/pw/sangorgonio.htm

San Gorgonio Potential Wilderness Additions

Managing agency:
San Bernardino National Forest and Bureau of Land Management, Palm Springs Field Office

Size: Approximately 17,920 acres

Trail access :

1) Road 1N01 in San Bernardino National Forest
2) Wildlands Conservancy Visitor Center in Pipes Canyon
3) Burns Canyon Road.

Description: These potential additions to the San Gorgonio Wilderness add much varied terrain to one of the most heavily visited wilderness areas in southern California.

The Raywood Flat addition is best known as the Yucaipa Ridge or Oak Glen Divide. It traverses from the south wall of Mill Creek Canyon, a tributary to the Santa Ana River, a candidate wild and scenic river, to the north wall above Oak Glen's high plateau apple country. From west to east, the area rises in gentle hills just east of the Mill Creek Ranger Station,becoming progressively higher and more welted as it lead eastward to Galena Peak. It climaxes in a steep rampart of jagged pinnacles before joining the San Gorgonio massif at the head of Mill Creek.

The Raywood Flat addition is characterized by acres of deep, rugged terrain, ranging from 3,000' to 9,300' elevation, dissected by deep canyons. The area contains diversity of vegetation types, from grass and chaparral to conifer and oak woodland at higher elevations, with small riparian areas along a few stream courses. The area provides excellent black bear and deer habitat. It is also an important area for birds migrating through southern California and for California spotted owl habitat. The San Gorgonio River and Mill Creek watershed and the surrounding communities are dependent on these streams for their domestic water supply.

The Bureau of Land Management Morongo and Pipes Canyon addition consists of the BLM lands just to the north of the 1994 California Desert Protection Act Whitewater addition to the San Gorgonio Wilderness and just to the east of the San Bernardino National Forest boundary. It is composed of many springs which feed Little Morongo Creek and flow into the community of Pioneertown.

This addition contains the eastern slopes of the San Bernardino Mountains. Landforms range from low, rolling foothills to steep rugged mountains. Vegetation ranges from Mojave yucca, Joshua tree, creosote, and mixed shrubs, through pinyon-juniper and on up into yellow pine forest. Several deep canyons cut into the eastern flank of the mountains, each containing water in the form of springs and small creeks. The sites of the springs are easily recognized by their stands of cottonwood trees. Nelson bighorn sheep are known to inhabit the area along with the black bear and mule deer. There are about 2 1/2 sections of private land owned by water districts in Raywood Flat B Roadless Area. These water districts wish their lands to be protected in a natural state, which is compatible with wilderness designation for the surrounding area. There are approximately six sections of private land within the BLM portion of this wilderness proposal. The Wildlands Conservancy is working to acquire these sections from willing sellers.

There is minimal acreage of disturbed land within this wilderness proposal. There is a radio tower to the west of Little San Gorgonio Peak (Forest Service addition) that is serviced by helicopter, and Pipes Canyon Road (BLM addition) is being restored to its natural state. There is no grazing or logging within the wilderness proposal.

These two additions will finally complete one of the most outstanding wilderness areas in southern California, which surrounds the highest peak in southern California, Mt. San Gorgonio at 11,502'. This wilderness will then represent every ecosystem along an elevational gradient, from the Colorado desert to the alpine zone. Hunters flock to the area for its abundant game. Hikers enjoy the solitude that they can find on its many miles of trails and at its many campsites. Vistas of the San Bernardino Valley are outstanding from all the peaks. This is some of the best habitat in southern California for Nelson bighorn sheep, black bear, mule deer, and California spotted owl.

You can ignore the deception as long as you care to believe the folks making the "mistakes" in judgement are simpletons, but the fact remains they have a plan to close out the motorized public from large tracts of land (public and private) and are acting on the plan.
Amen. That's the simple version... the scary reality is that they have had this plan for YEARS and are well long the way to making it reality. They are actually pretty good at sneaking lies by -- IMHO, the OOPS that we catch are just the tip of the iceberg....

The article that I linked to and Ed quoted states that "Pipes Canyon Road (BLM addition) is being restored to its natural state." Folks, this is what the anti-access advocates want to do with the millions of acres that they are reclassifying as wilderness -- they want to RESTORE it to PRE-HUMAN conditions, like they think it was prior to the settlers, hell, prior to the Spanish missionaries. Here's a case in point of an established road in a wilderness area -- talk about an oxymoron! The solution is not destroying the road to match the classification of the land, but rather, to make sure that the classification of the land matches the status of the road in the first place!

Anti-access advocates are on the move. They are in power. They have a substantial lead on us... if we are ever going to catch up or even make any difference, we must act NOW. What can you do to fight this? Well, you can mail Barbara Boxer or Diane Feinsten (though they won't listen, you should do it anyway). You can contact your local county government and make sure they understand that wilderness means reduced recreation and tourism revenue, and often, increased upkeep and fire maintenance. Hell, the basic principle is simple: we have a representative government. Find the people who represent you and find a way to get through to them -- you can be damn sure that the anti-access folks are lobbying for their side. Voting at the ballot box is at most only half the equation... effective government requires the governed to get involved in the process, and communicate their needs to their government representatives.

Until we do that, we're just preaching to the choir, conversing with the converted, and falling further behind. :(

Randii

I just sent John's article to Fox News. We'll see what happens.

Bud:smokin:

On the Pipes Canyon thing, that's happening here in the Holly Springs Natl Forest all the time, only its private landowners doing it. I wish I knew how that worked. One guy has actually closed the trail that used to be Highway 72, the major thoroughfare through northern MS until about 1930 when the highway moved a few miles north. He's a rich bastard and has a great hunting camp there now. That burned me up when that happened. Anybody have any links on the legal rules behind this?