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IHScoutman14
06-22-2006, 07:17 PM
The 345 i rebuilt in the scout is having some slight problems and the BB hasnt been successfully answering my questions so i will ask here.
I rebuilt this motor over the winter and over the past few months have been trying to get it in good running condition with my chevy FI system (tbi of of early 90's truck ecm. 7747). I started a new job at a garage and got help from all of the guys there as well as letting them work on it for 4 or so hours "on the clock".
At this point it is running well not under load. There is an occasional backfire/pop w/o load and it the idle will waver between 500-800rpm, but doesnt die. It seems like when you try to hold the throttle still it will rev up then slowly drop the rpms back down.
under load snortin up a hill it will pop and crack every few seconds and send the scout bouncin along but never dies. once the road levels out its ok but you cant put your foot into it too hard.

whats been done you ask? well: base timing has been set, timing should be good, we spent a lot of time on the timing portion and all the guys working at the shop are experienced. We checked the magnetic pickup in relation to the rotor and set it correctly. We hooked up all of the sensors to their respective testers and they all checked out in working condition. I had a bent intake pushrod which we replaced, the intake valve was stuck open but we oiled it and cranked the engine and moved smoothly, ran the engine and did a leak down test and the valve was then working. Leak downed all of the cylinders and they all checked out ok.

What makes this situation so tricky as that im dealing with a non-professionally rebuilt engine and a FI system thats not designed for that motor. The chip ",ecm with fedeal emissions chip for 350ci". Now i know thats for a chevy so do you think this is what is causing my problems? It seems possible just because its unlikely the two motors have the same timing curve or whatever.

Let me know where i should start, what i might consider doing, and if i should just set my scout on fire and see if it runss better afterward.
thanks
charlie

Mechanos
06-22-2006, 09:17 PM
Uhhh.... yeah. You can't expect an IH 345 to run like a top on Chevy 350 fuel and spark maps. You need to get yourself a cable and a laptop and log some data. Then either get the stuff to burn your own chips or call a vendor and buy a chip. Have you been over to JustIH? There is a fuel injection forum over there.

uglyscout
06-22-2006, 10:14 PM
I'm pretty sure you will get the same answers here as you'd get on any board...

I second the data logging request - If you haven't logged data, you haven't even done step 1 of your diagnostics.

Have you set the IAC closed and set the idle manually with the screw? Then leave the IAC closed and drive it around. See what happens.

It does sound like your having a timing issue, not base timing, but the ecm controlled timing.

Binderman
06-23-2006, 08:24 PM
The 345 i rebuilt in the scout is having some slight problems and the BB hasnt been successfully answering my questions so i will ask here.
I rebuilt this motor over the winter and over the past few months have been trying to get it in good running condition with my chevy FI system (tbi of of early 90's truck ecm. 7747). I started a new job at a garage and got help from all of the guys there as well as letting them work on it for 4 or so hours "on the clock".
At this point it is running well not under load. There is an occasional backfire/pop w/o load and it the idle will waver between 500-800rpm, but doesnt die. It seems like when you try to hold the throttle still it will rev up then slowly drop the rpms back down.
under load snortin up a hill it will pop and crack every few seconds and send the scout bouncin along but never dies. once the road levels out its ok but you cant put your foot into it too hard.

whats been done you ask? well: base timing has been set, timing should be good, we spent a lot of time on the timing portion and all the guys working at the shop are experienced. We checked the magnetic pickup in relation to the rotor and set it correctly. We hooked up all of the sensors to their respective testers and they all checked out in working condition. I had a bent intake pushrod which we replaced, the intake valve was stuck open but we oiled it and cranked the engine and moved smoothly, ran the engine and did a leak down test and the valve was then working. Leak downed all of the cylinders and they all checked out ok.

What makes this situation so tricky as that im dealing with a non-professionally rebuilt engine and a FI system thats not designed for that motor. The chip ",ecm with fedeal emissions chip for 350ci". Now i know thats for a chevy so do you think this is what is causing my problems? It seems possible just because its unlikely the two motors have the same timing curve or whatever.

Let me know where i should start, what i might consider doing, and if i should just set my scout on fire and see if it runss better afterward.
thanks
charlie

Bill will be along soon, after his 15 minute nap he calls a good nights sleep.:D

SES light hooked up? Checked for trouble codes? You will have one for VSS for sure, but anything else will help with diagnosis. Ran a fuel pressure test yet?

Wish ya luck!!!!!

Bill usn-1
06-24-2006, 04:42 AM
I say pick a site and a forum and post there.
don't jump around asking everyone for help.

I personally do not think your problem has anything to do with the chip unless you killed the chip.

And the only person I have everseen call a chip as a "federal emissions" chip is the guy selling the systems on ebay!!

It sounds like you bought a used system, bolted it on and now you want to know why it doesn't run perfect.....

Well if your going to play your going to pay.....
Spend some time learning your system.

There are plenty of troubleshooting steps that can be performed to narrow your problem down.
You haven't mentioned any of them.


Pick a web site and stick to it until your trouble shooting is done.
Swapping parts is not the answer.

Last night you posted on the binderbulletin and said you needed it ASAP....
But you haven't been back since...I already posted over there.