Anybody have pic's of their Art Carr valve body?

I am trying to id a valve body to see if it's an Art Carr valve body.
I did not see anywhere on it the words "Art Carr" I figured since they put there name on everything else it would be on the VB.
It looks to be a modified stock VB. I will post pic's of mine tonight.

Anybody have pic's of their Art Carr valve body?

I am trying to id a valve body to see if it's an Art Carr valve body.
I did not see anywhere on it the words "Art Carr" I figured since they put there name on everything else it would be on the VB.
It looks to be a modified stock VB. I will post pic's of mine tonight.

My Art Carr has no identifying marks on it. What's the use if it's going to spend it entire service life inside of a transmission. I may be able to give you a yeah or ney if you post up a pic. They are pretty distinctive, but hard to describe. Well, I should say a full manual VB is pretty distinctive. I'll check and see if I have any pics.

I'd really like to see a picture of it if you can snap one. I have pictures of my A&A Full man, compression braking, VB and would like to see how different yours is.

In my experience, Art Carr sells the some of the same tranny parts as A&A ~ for example, the RV gearsets are identicle but Art Carr gets another $100+ for them. I once ordered two sets, one from Art Carr and one from A&A. Both gear sets looked identicle and came with the exact same photo-copied hand-written notes/instructions.

So please, post pictures of your VB as I'd like to see if they are the same as my A&A one.

I have . . . (a) . . . A&A Full man, compression braking, VB


Which one. How ya like it? How much? Reverse pattern or forward? You install? What else did you have to do if anything to make it work?

Thanks....looking to get one of these next month.

Reverse; P-R-N-1-2-3 pattern. Works great. The compression braking is wild. I took Rusty for a test drive and when coming to a stop I down shifted from 3rd to 2nd then to 1st and it barked the tires in both gears! :eek: Never had an auto do that ~ I was in compound low so that could have been the reason but even in w/ the t-case in high range it'll bark the tires when I shift into 1st.

Installation: One of my past employees rebuilds all my Autos. He's Master Certified and knows his way around an auto. Not that they are too difficult, but you know what I mean.

HEre's my VB
http://www.dandcextreme.com/upload/rusty286.jpg

Reverse; P-R-N-1-2-3 pattern. Works great. The compression braking is wild. I took Rusty for a test drive and when coming to a stop I down shifted from 3rd to 2nd then to 1st and it barked the tires in both gears! :eek: Never had an auto do that ~ I was in compound low so that could have been the reason but even in w/ the t-case in high range it'll bark the tires when I shift into 1st.

Installation: One of my past employees rebuilds all my Autos. He's Master Certified and knows his way around an auto. Not that they are too difficult, but you know what I mean.
what do you get for them Snoop?? (since you are a vendor).

I will get a photo tonight for sure, I miss placed my camera after the 4th and just found it this morning. :shaking:

Snoop did you happend to get a photo of the other side?

Installation: One of my past employees rebuilds all my Autos. He's Master Certified and knows his way around an auto. Not that they are too difficult, but you know what I mean.


Bolt in sprag? Different shift lever? What's it take to make it work....if you know.

I'm with Rusty.....sell em? How much?


-WB

Not that they are too difficult, but you know what I mean.
11 little bolts or so....

BTW I have an extra Art Carr Manual rev VB if anyone is interested PM me.

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Ok, Here are some info and prices. I'll try to offer as much terminology deffinitions as possible.

"Low Band Apply": This provides Sprag protection and increases reliability. By applying the low band in first gear, it helps hold the low/reverse drum along with the sprag. This increases safety from a sprag failure which could potentially spin the high gear clutch drum well over 12,000 RPM ~ and a stock drum may come apart at 9,000 rpm.
Also gives compression braking

Forward Pattern: P-R-N-3-2-1

Reverse Pattern: P-R-N-1-2-3

MVB: Manual Valve Body

VB: Valve Body

Billet piston kit: This converts the low/reverse piston to billet steel. This cleans up shifting and doesn't crack (like stock pistons do) with high-preasure shifts or extreme conditions.

High Preasure Reverse Curcuit: Required on Chrysler transmissions. Normal preasure is about 55-65 PSI in the piston. This preasure applies the clutch packs. In reverse, this preasure over doubles to 180-280 PSI. This is due to the fact that the transmission needs this preasure to keep the band and front clutch back tight ~ which eliminates slip.

In race-built transmissions, standard forward preasure's are modified for hard shifts and usually run 150+ psi, so in reverse this preasure spikes to over 400 psi. That means that there is over 2000 psi on the band, which will snap it like a twig. Therefore RACE transmissions normally DO NOT have high-preasure reverse curcuits to keep from snapping the bands.

If you use a non-high preasure reverse in a standard TF727 you will burn up your reverse after a hard back up due to the clutch packs and bands not being tight and allowing excessive slipage ~ which burns your trans up.

Enough of those. Here are the different VB and what they do and cost.

Modified Valve Body; Retains Automatic shifts, Provides extra firm shifts, Forward pattern. This is a VERY popular/standard upgrade over stock VB's. Kind of like putting a 'shift kit' into your trans. Cost: $195.

Race RMVB: No gear braking in 1st, Revese shift pattern, high preasure reverse has been eliminated. Cost: $175. NOT RECOMMENDED UNLESS YOUR DRIVING A RACE CAR.

Forward MVB: Full Manual VB, Forward Pattern. Not for use in high HP apps. Forward Pattern. Cost: $215

Rusty's Reverse MVB: Reverse Pattern, First gear compression braking, retains high-preasure reverse curcuit, Low Band Apply, Billet Piston Kit. $295

Reverse MVB w/ out compression braking or sprag protection ~ retains high preasure reverse curcuit: $225

Reverse MVB w/ compression braking. Low Band Apply, high preasure reverse curcuit: $275

Remember, MVB's don't have a "Drive" selection. Third gear is not 'Drive' where they shift automatically. You get first, second or third. You must shift it like a stick.

Keep in mind, prices fluxuate GREATLY with options. The one I have in Rusty is specifically designed for RockCrawling ~ it has ALL the options. Everything else is up to you and what you seen your needs being.

Bolt in sprag? Different shift lever? What's it take to make it work....if you know.
Rusty's stock shifter bolted on ~ just had to adjust it

Bolt in sprag refers to the sprag bearing which usually has sharp 'teeth' and is pressed in, This means that the 'teeth' bite into the trans case and keeps it from spinning. In high HP or extreme applications, the sprag can/will tear out and spin causing your trans to fail. Bolt-in sprags are exactly that. Althought they retain the 'teeth' they also have small bolts to keep them stationary if the teeth fail to bite or the case fails to hold.

http://www.dandcextreme.com/upload/rusty285.jpg
You can see the teeth (look like splines) on the sprag body

I bought this transmission off the Garage sale page here on the pirate.

here are the pic's. I also found that the tail shaft has no Governor or the rear snap rings either.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253056&stc=1&d=1152235946http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253057&stc=1&d=1152235946
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253058&stc=1&d=1152235946http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253059&stc=1&d=1152235946

and yes there was no plate.

This transmission was to have been rebuilt with the lower gear set. But after disasembly it does not.have tah either :mad3: The only option this transmission has is the bolt in sprag:shaking: I contact the seller and he said he would make it right.
The tail shaft has some blueing on the park gear, not sure if you can see it or not.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253064&stc=1&d=1152240274
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253067&stc=1&d=1152240274
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253066&stc=1&d=1152240274
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253063&stc=1&d=1152240274http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253065&stc=1&d=1152240274

couple more shots.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253068&stc=1&d=1152240524
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253069&stc=1&d=1152240524
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=253070&stc=1&d=1152240524

So what did the original ad say this tranny had in it?

So what did the original ad say this tranny had in it?

Rebuilt IH 727 with Art Carr Manual Valve body, low gear kit, bolt in sprag, Titanium park gear. Rebuild Cost $1200. They had been selling it for a while on the IH garage sell, I think $750 and had just drop the price to $500, I thought this would be way cool to have so I bought it and had it shipped out. But now this puts me farther behind on getting my rig on the trail. I e-mail Rob and he said then he got ripped off as he order the parts and took them to a "professional rebuild shop" to have his transmission re-built. I e-mail him this thread, but I just found out last night that the transmission did not have the lower gears either.

that would have been a hell of a deal for that tranny. If you end up needing a tranny, give me a hollar. I have a nice built one for sale.

I e-mail Rob and he said then he got ripped off as he order the parts and took them to a "professional rebuild shop" to have his transmission re-built. I e-mail him this thread, but I just found out last night that the transmission did not have the lower gears either.

Man that would be a tough one, either he got really screwed by the tranny company or you did.

I don't understand no separator plate? Was it even supposed to operate?
What made you decide to tear it down and inspect it? Just what you saw under the pan?

Man that would be a tough one, either he got really screwed by the tranny company or you did.

I don't understand no separator plate? Was it even supposed to operate?
What made you decide to tear it down and inspect it? Just what you saw under the pan?

I open the pan just to get a look at the Art Carr art work, but found some homemade item, then I took off the tail housing to get a look a the "Titanium park rod, that's when I noticed the Governor was missing along with those snap rings in the rear. Then I check the end play on the front shaft and it was like an 1/8" :shaking: At this point I knew I was in trouble and decide to see if it contain the "low gear" set (NOT) I paid $460.00 That was 450 + Pal Pal fee's and then paid my nephew $50.00 (Gas) to pick it up, box it up and take it to the Forward Air Terminal $148 for shipping from Va to Ca.
So even if I got all my money back I am out $200.00. I will e-mail Rob tonight to see where I stand.

I hope to get this issue resolved ASAP

Sounds like Snoopy be doing his homework.

Well its what I got so I thought it'd be good to know what I have and stuff

Well its what I got so I thought it'd be good to know what I have and stuff ~ helps with all the Q's I'm goign to get at RMIHR

Snoopy, I'm interested in the Rusty's Reverse MVB: Reverse Pattern, First gear compression braking, retains high-preasure reverse curcuit, Low Band Apply, Billet Piston Kit. $295.

I know you added a bolt in sprag but are there other parts you added? Did you put in Kevlar bands and what type of clutches? Did you add an acumulator? It's not even the RMIHR yet and your getting a bunch of questions:D

Man, I can't tell you guys how much this sucks. I spent well over $1000 for the parts and rebuild of that tranny before I had to scrap my buggy project. I have no recourse as it's been too long, and the guy who managed the shop and did the work (Mike Ahearn at AutoMasters in Leesburg, VA for those that give a sh*t) is long gone himself. Craig's money has been returned in full and we're both out $$ to boot. I never had a reason to suspect this guy had jacked me, and never opened it up when I got it back. He'd done 4-5 other trannys for our club without a fuss. Lesson learned. I apologize here to Craig, and didn't advertise falsly on purpose.

... the guy who managed the shop and did the work (Mike Ahearn at AutoMasters in Leesburg, VA for those that give a sh*t)...
Get a rope!!

Glad to see your a standup guy Rob!!

Beers to ya!!

Rob's a stand up guy, I knew you didn't do anything malicious on purpose.

R290, I didn't do anything more than the VB and bolt-in sprag. Standard HD rebuild kit, and threw them all in. I wanted to do the RV gearset but didn't have the $$