TracTracTor project OMFG

[binderbound]

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/122/dodgeramaq4.jpg
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alright, wipe the spittle off the corners of your mouth. Thats a 90 ram. 5.9/727/np205. Roughly 125k on the ticker. Cab caught fire. Owner kept the Dana 61front and 70 rear. Fine by me. Problem is...what do we do with it?

Option 1) Shoe horn it into my wagonmaster, swap in my 60/70 combo, make a sweet tow rig.

Option 2) Mid/front engine tube chassi, doubler, 60f/70r.

Option 3) Mid/front engine tube chassi, doubler, mog 406's(I have a source)

Option 4) Mid/front engine tube chassi, doubler, Rockwells.

If the buggy happens(we're leaning that way:D ) No less than 49's. Rear steer is optional. I'm planning on being def so engine noise not a consern.

Any ideas?

[Harvester of Sorrow]

3

or

4

Nothing less...

[CSmith]

Wagonmaster.

[scout254]

5) donate it to me :grinpimp:

[Diesel Smoke]

Dan,

I noticed that missing from a certain shop around here recently, just didn't know what happen to it. All I can say is you're nuts!! Also, it isn't a 93, a 93 has the bigger intake plenum and an intercooler. Chances are it's a 91 or early 92.

You've got the tow rig covered, no reason to down grade with a diesel Wagonmaster, you're riding in style already with 6 speeds, AC and a modern day stereo. My vote would be option 3 or 4. Rockwells could be cheaper initially and could be in the long run as well. Remember 406's are the strongest of MOG hardware out there and they seen to have like ripping portal boxes off the tubes. Try getting out of the Crushers missing a portal box?:flipoff2:

What ever the choice, you're crazy all the same. Count me in when you need a hand!

[binderbound]

Hmmm, the title that came with it says 93. Maybe they titled their rigs like IH, what ever year it was sold is what it is! It is a totalled title though.

My price on MOG's is comperable to rockwels. It really is a wash between the two. It costs about the same to set either axle up for this rig. I like the clearance of mogs and the sheer 'wow' factor. but rocks are just as strong and more simple in the end. I still like the Mog idea though. Guess this should have went to the dodge forum...oh well.

This is a winter time project for sure, we're just trying to get our ideas together. Its not my rig but if I do things right, it could be in the future:evil:

I'm thinking 115"wb, 4 seater, links and coil overs(duh), 203/205 doubler, mogs(maybe 4wheel steer), 53" xml's, etc... give the sausage stick a run for its money:D :D :D :eek:

[slipscomb]

#4) Rockwells :smokin:

[Binder]

My opinion is that engine belongs in a tow rig. Too heavy for a wheeler.

[wes8517]

My opinion is that engine belongs in a tow rig. Too heavy for a wheeler.
fo sho, keep it in a tow rig where it belongs, build a nice stroker small block or big block for a wheeler if ya wanna go big like that! make a sweet tow rig.....i.e. #1

[binderbound]

My opinion is that engine belongs in a tow rig. Too heavy for a wheeler.

When we have rockwels and 53" michelens, weight has no relevance anymore,imo. We're gonna need some torque to move this beast. We have less into this chassi than it costs to tune up a big block:smokin: thats part of the reason we're so interested in making somthing out of it. Worst case scenario is we dont do anything with it, sell it and buy a shit load of beer.

Again, I have been owned by Diesel smoke. Its a 90 NOT a 93. Hmm, maybe he kows what he's talking about sometimes.:flipoff2:

[Diesel Smoke]

Again, I have been owned by Diesel smoke. Its a 90 NOT a 93. Hmm, maybe he kows what he's talking about sometimes.:flipoff2:

Nope, even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while!:D:D It just happens to be a subject I have read up on before ;).

I am curious......who's we? I see it's in Terry's shop, but I though he was done with projects and off to get a sports car of some sort?

[binderbound]

We?did I say we?does the lord count?

naw,I think terry is tired of watching Jen have all the fun and he gets stuck riding shotgun.the scout is for average trail duty.this rig is gonna be a crushers/hammers type rig.pretty much unstoppable rig that's way cool.we build a 4 seater we're gonna have to make more friends!

[Major Screwup]

Sheeze, throw around a few crazy ideas while under the influence, and the next thing ya know it's half built!

Are the material lists and blueprints done yet???:shaking:
This sukka sounds EXPENSIVE! And yes i'm still looking for a Z06

[Diesel Smoke]

Sheeze, throw around a few crazy ideas while under the influence, and the next thing ya know it's half built!

Are the material lists and blueprints done yet???:shaking:
This sukka sounds EXPENSIVE! And yes i'm still looking for a Z06

LOL!!! Hey Terry, bout time you found your way over to the dark side! Dan does his best work under the influence! You've got nothing to worru about!:evil:

[binderbound]

Sheeze, throw around a few crazy ideas while under the influence, and the next thing ya know it's half built!

Are the material lists and blueprints done yet???:shaking:
This sukka sounds EXPENSIVE! And yes i'm still looking for a Z06
a guy can dream can't he?this was a feeler thread anyway.just to get public oppinion.there is a little truth to even the most drunken ideas.

The most realistic plan is to sell it and tripple your money.then you can afford the undercoating option for the vette.

[Major Screwup]

a guy can dream can't he?this was a feeler thread anyway.just to get public oppinion.there is a little truth to even the most drunken ideas..


Didn't want to shoot ya down, I like the ideas, if you do the work :D
I'll have to get pretty well under the influence to pay for it, though.
creative financing??? Got too much invested in tools etc to quit now!

[binderbound]

You have more time and money in that 60 rear than the pair of mog axles cost.and they come loaded with 6.17 gears and air lockers factory!Lukas offerd me a screaming deal on those king coilovers.the most expensive part of the whole deal is gonna be the stazworks double beadlocks and tires.

I work for cheap don't forget.

[Major Screwup]

You have more time and money in that 60 rear than the pair of mog axles cost.and they come loaded with 6.17 gears and air lockers factory!Lukas offerd me a screaming deal on those king coilovers.the most expensive part of the whole deal is gonna be the stazworks double bradlocks and tires.

I work for cheap don't forget.

Maybe we should get drunk and talk:laughing:
'sept I'll feel like crap for two days

[binderbound]

Maybe we should get drunk and talk:laughing:
'sept I'll feel like crap for two days

I was nursing a little hangover this morning. Last night was the 'Hubbard Hop Festival' Team Fat Shit (Hugh, Berne, Jake) and I raised some hell. Jakes wife was bar tending so we drank for free:smokin:

Dont worry, we'll have plenty of time to talk. :cool2:

Better start pricing out 8 sticks of 1 3/4"x.120, 3 sticks of 1 1/2"x.120, 1 stick of 1"x.120, 3 sheets of 14ga, 10 feet of 2x6x.25 rectangle tube. Steel is only getting more expensive!

[Major Screwup]

Better start pricing out 8 sticks of 1 3/4"x.120, 3 sticks of 1 1/2"x.120, 1 stick of 1"x.120, 3 sheets of 14ga, 10 feet of 2x6x.25 rectangle tube. Steel is only getting more expensive!

HA! I knew you had a material list. Probably got some drawings too :laughing:

[Creepy196]

If you decide to build a buggy go #4 with the Rockwells. Cheap/plentiful, with cheap/plentiful parts. Beefy square tube housings that are easy to modify and weld to. When you're running 49s or 53s what's six inches of clearance anyways?

On the other hand, I'd say put the diesel in the Wagonmaster and sell your newer Dodge for a shiteloade of buggy and :beer: money, but there's something to be said for towing in comfort!!!

[binderbound]

If you decide to build a buggy go #4 with the Rockwells. Cheap/plentiful, with cheap/plentiful parts. Beefy square tube housings that are easy to modify and weld to. When you're running 49s or 53s what's six inches of clearance anyways?

On the other hand, I'd say put the diesel in the Wagonmaster and sell your newer Dodge for a shiteloade of buggy and :beer: money, but there's something to be said for towing in comfort!!!

Mogs have selectable lockers and I can get them tomorrow. I dont know of a local source for dueces. Plus, 6 inches can be the difference between clearing a rock and being hopelessly hung up. Guys running 42's still shave thier 14 bolts for an extra inch of clearance.

Your assuming my dodge is payed off:laughing: I'll keep making those payments and crank that A/C while I get 19mpg. A diesel wagonmaster would be sweet but there really is something to be said for modern comfort.

[CrossedUp]

Number one all the way. Would be retarted in a tube chassied buggy. :P

[Mechanos]

Number one all the way. Would be retarted in a tube chassied buggy. :P
Would that be like taking something sour, adding some sugar and then making it sour again?

[binderbound]

Would that be like taking something sour, adding some sugar and then making it sour again?


Thats funny shit right there:laughing:


The weight argument has become a moot point. The wheels and tires alone will weigh more than a pair of scout axles. Figure the cummins weighs 600+/- more than a big block chev but this engine can make more power for a fraction of the price of building up a gasser. We have been running heavy ass small blocks in our scouts for years, how is this different? I figure the finished product in the 6k range. My buddies blazers/broncos on 44" boggers weigh more than that. With good weight distribution it wont be any different than any other buggy out there.

[Mechanos]

6BT weighs in at about 1025 lbs. for what it's worth........

[troutbum]

heavy as shit, loud as shit, turbo'ed 6bt on 49s will be breaking shit.

Cool as shit :smokin: I say do it.

[Hammered Scout]

Build a tube chassis on the existing frame, but cut rear off and link and go with Rocks. Or Option # shit load of Beer:beer: :beer:

[Binder]

The weight argument has become a moot point. .

FWIW I still have to disagree with you Dan. The weight is going to be a major issue in more ways than one. Have you thought about how your going to build a chassis strong enough to withstand a good roll with that much weight in it? As high as it's going to sit COG is going to suck bad. Have you ever seen the sausage try to climb anything vertical? It has a 302. I guess if worse came to worse when it was all done you could pull the motor and replace it.

[uglyscout]

Drop it in the gasser Dodge you already have --- not the daily driver but the other one....

Fix it up as a tow rig/work truck --- THEN sell your daily driver Dodge and drive the Scout everyday!!!

I was in the old residence of the frame/motor in question and I didn't even notice it was gone.... Man I'm observant...

[binderbound]

FWIW I still have to disagree with you Dan. The weight is going to be a major issue in more ways than one. Have you thought about how your going to build a chassis strong enough to withstand a good roll with that much weight in it? As high as it's going to sit COG is going to suck bad. Have you ever seen the sausage try to climb anything vertical? It has a 302. I guess if worse came to worse when it was all done you could pull the motor and replace it.

Have you ever seen thos trucks from Oklahoma and Texas with 130"wb and weigh 7k? Whats their secret?

This engine weighs 200lbs more than a IH392, not that much when you start figuring that the axles out weigh 60's by 200lbs a piece, 53's dwarf 44's, 20" steel double beadlocks out do regular beadlocks, etc... All the weight is low. We're still retaining the frame section that the motor and tranny are attached to. I'll probably beef up the mounts a little but otherwise the engine is where it is. I'm shooting for 30" to the bottom of the frame rails. This isnt going to be some cookie cutter S&N or twisted custom clone that everybody is running these days. This rig is going to require a special type of design. Its already built in my head:D

I'll let you tell me 'I told you so' when It cartwheels backward off of the trailer:flipoff2:

[Binder]

Have you ever seen thos trucks from Oklahoma and Texas with 130"wb and weigh 7k? Whats their secret?
:

Secret is they run on flat ground.:laughing:
You can build what you want as I'm sure you will, I just have some reservations about it. Who knows, it may be a great rig when done.:)

[binderbound]

The trick is keeping the engine low. I'm gonna try and keep the valve covers at knee level when seated in the rig.

We're still not sure if its even gonna happen. I have gotton a few PM's asking about selling it. It could end up in a drag scout too. we are kicking around a few ideas.

[Mechanos]

...I'm gonna try and keep the valve covers at knee level when seated in the rig...
Somewhat difficult to do with a 6BT... those things are TALL

[binderbound]

This is what I kinda had pictured in my mind.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=254926&stc=1&d=1153254753

Minus the jeep body of course. Maybe 80/800 front fenders. tube the rest.

[Diesel Smoke]

Here's another idea

http://i6.tinypic.com/1zna0ds.jpg

[Mechanos]

That son of a bitch is bad-ass!!!!

Any of you boat guys happen to know how much hp/tq those V-drives can handle?

[binderbound]

That son of a bitch is bad-ass!!!!

Any of you boat guys happen to know how much hp/tq those V-drives can handle?

They use them in 800+hp trophy trucks with good success.

Carl- that is a little too much tube. Terry has a hard time getting in and out of the scout as it is. I cant imagine getting into that thing.

[Diesel Smoke]

They use them in 800+hp trophy trucks with good success.

Carl- that is a little too much tube. Terry has a hard time getting in and out of the scout as it is. I cant imagine getting into that thing.

Easily solved. Just put a trap door in the bottom of the driver's compartment and he can use a ladder and climb right in!!:flipoff2:

[Diesel Smoke]

That son of a bitch is bad-ass!!!!

Any of you boat guys happen to know how much hp/tq those V-drives can handle?

OS may know, but I can ask my brother as well. He works as a mechanic for wake boarding boats. They use 350's standard and some really hot rodded ones in the higher end boats. The standard motors put down about 250-300 HP and the hot rodded motors can get up to 450. I'll ask him if he can get me any specs on them. They even had a boat with a Ford 429, painted up like the owners BOSS 429 Mustang. Everthing the guy owned was orange and black.

[tsm1mt]

That son of a bitch is bad-ass!!!!

Any of you boat guys happen to know how much hp/tq those V-drives can handle?

As much HP/TQ as you have money. :D

If it's good enough to mostly hold up to Robby Gordon's 800+HP RCR motor with his right foot.. it should hold up to a Cummins.

But why bother with a V-drive?

Rear-mount the engine, let the trans come forward with the t'case between the driver and passenger (more or less).. then just install your axles upside down to reverse the drive direction.

"2-hi" would be FWD-High, while "FWD" would really be RWD.

It's been done many times over.

My neighbor had a Chenowth with a ZZ3 hanging off the back into a t'case, and just ran the front output of the t'case to the upside down 9" rear.

All you need to do is take the old "rear output" and run it to the front axle to make it 4x4 while you're at it.

Save the expense of the V-drive.

With a V-drive, you're probably looking at a 2wd engine/trans going into the V, then back out of the V into a divorced NP205 to "right things" with the world.

Running the axles upside down wouldn't be too bad. On the front, you can just spin the end yokes 180-deg when you do the cut n' turn..

[Mechanos]

Just asking because I noticed that they were using on the Evo buggy. Somebody in another post nailed it when they said it looks like the front half of a helicopter with axles underneath it. :smokin:

[Snoopy]

Oh my ~ what has posessed Dan these days. :eek:

[Diesel Smoke]

Just asking because I noticed that they were using on the Evo buggy. Somebody in another post nailed it when they said it looks like the front half of a helicopter with axles underneath it. :smokin:

I talked to my brother this weekend, they had a brand new MB Tomcat (not this one, but this is a Tomcat)

http://www.wakeboardfanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/f23-tomcat-boat2.jpg

http://www.wakeboardfanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/f23-tomcat-front.jpg

It was pushing 383 HP and around 600 foot/lbs or torque through a V-Drive. He also said they rarely see the V-drives break, even when they bottom the boat out. Typically eveything outside the hual just rips off and nothing inside is harmed, it something inside breaks it's typically the transmission and those are dispoable, they usually just pull them out and throw a new one in.