heres the deal i outboarded my springs on a 70 fj40 and my dad insist that we bolt the new plates on then gusset them i said why not weld them and was told that you cannot weld on a frame. i know some frames such as a semi you cannot drill or weld to but a 70 cruiser frame is just steel. am i correct or :smokin: and if i weld to the frame is there a special type of welding wire i need or angle of weld.

Weld it, your old mounts are welded aren't they? Or if your dad is like mine, and he has his mind made up, just bolt it and save yourself some grief.

that's pure and utter crap! everything is welded to. out boarded inboarded moved. Show your dad this and say :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Hayraker
Weld it, your old mounts are welded aren't they? Or if your dad is like mine, and he has his mind made up, just bolt it and save yourself some grief.


He's correct.

Don't listen to sillyneck unless your dads a small guy.

ericfilar@fatcity

whoops forgot about that. I've been bigger than my dad since I was 12 so I never worried about that....so either make sure you can take him or be heavily ARMED :D

he may be correct legally but not structurally, I am not allowed to weld to the frame up here or it will fail inspection.
your frame is just mild steel though so normal welding procedures apply.

He's probably thinking about large truck frames which are tempered. Everything is bolted or riveted on them.

the old perches where riveted and we cut the rivets and replaced them with bolts. so i guess i'll put a couple tacks on to add some strenght. also saw that mytzflick said he had an inspection but he's in canada any one from the us here of this.

hey sillneck i'll give my dad your regards:flipoff2: and he would whoop and my ass like no tommorrow he ain't big but from years of manual labor he's like a brick shit house:D

hahhahahahah!

good luck and cheers :beer:

Originally posted by mytzlflick
he may be correct legally but not structurally, I am not allowed to weld to the frame up here or it will fail inspection.
your frame is just mild steel though so normal welding procedures apply.

The key is to make it look factory. Gotta keep them canadians on their toes eh? :D

The frame may be tempered, it may not. If you want to retain the strength and integrity of the frame, don't weld it. Just because there are factory welds on it, doesn't mean that the frame isn't tempered steel. Don't know bout 70' Landcruiser. Practically every Japanese rig I see, especially newer PU's, have welded on rocker guards. These have tempered steel frames. Weld failure is common, but I haven't seen a single broken frame (Toyota) that was attributible to a weld weakened spot....... Jeep frames crack on their own without provocation. My dad is with Ironpig's on this one ..........:)

I'll bet your dad's thinking along the lines of a GM frame. Ever notice how everything on a chevy truck frame's riveted or bolted on? That's because they ARE tempered and no you shouldn't weld to those even though I've known a few people that have.

But my uncle (who's the best farmer welder I know) never believed in just a weld. He'd weld and bolt just to be safe and I've been known to do the same on structural items.
Kinda like weating a belt with suspenders, you'll never get caught with your pants falling down!:D

Just remember, if your bolting through a boxed frame put some kind of a tube through the frame to run your bolts through otherwise you'll risk crushing the frame which would be worse then no bolts at all.

Weld it, Weld it, Weld it!!! Box and gusset your welds and roll!!! If welding wasn't sufficient there would be a MAC's hardware store in even more towns than there are now!!!

Hey man, your frame is busted, would you like to use my onboard welder???

No thanks, I will use my hand drill and these 12, 4 1/2" bolts to plate my busted frame!!! GEEEEEEEEESH


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Weld it, Weld it, Weld it. And while you're at it, stitch weld the frame rails, it will keep the frame flex to a minimum. If you are going full-width, which is(i assume) why you are outboarding the front springs, then you will need to stitch the frame or it will flex severely under articulation. Just make 2" welds, then leave 2" gap, all the way front to back, top and bottom on each side of the frame rails...

Good Luck!

some thoughts on not welding on a frame. i know my holley projection kit said dont weld on the frame unless the puter is disconnected, ill bet all efi vehicles have the same warning

Originally posted by yjtj
some thoughts on not welding on a frame. i know my holley projection kit said dont weld on the frame unless the puter is disconnected, ill bet all efi vehicles have the same warning

you don;t weld on a vehicle period while the battery is connected...it can fry modules, coils, hell anything can get a little screwed up.

Originally posted by yjtj
some thoughts on not welding on a frame. i know my holley projection kit said dont weld on the frame unless the puter is disconnected, ill bet all efi vehicles have the same warning

well you're not supposed to even weld on the bumper with the puter connected....so I dunno how this is relevent besides EFI vehicles

I've welded plenty of stuff on my s-10 frame with no problems. CA doesn't have a vehicle inspection like many other states so that shouldn't be a problem, just the output pipe.
And yes disco that batt while welding.

While I see everyone's point, try this. weld something onto your frame and give it a strength test. This will also test your welding skills.

Maybe your dad doesn't trust your welding and doesn't want to have to identify your body at the morg someday.

Originally posted by sfazr2


Maybe your dad doesn't trust your welding and doesn't want to have to identify your body at the morg someday.

I'll bet this hits the nail on the head.
Still living at home and dad has tp pick up the medical insurance tab. Of course he doesn't want you to weld on your frame! Actually I'm suprised he's letting you do any mods at all, my dad sure was against it when I lived at home. Did it anyway though!:D

BTW no one tells me I can't weld to the frame!:D

Ya no, this no welding on the rig without unhooking the battery is a bunch of hewy in my opinion. hey Sillyneck do you think I disconect the battery on my supper duty every time I'm fabin up somthin on the back?