It's a buddies 450. It has commercial plates, so commercial insurance, and he's got a CDL-A. Given those two items, is he gonna run into problems with this setup? I remember Dean having something similar (but no wheel lift) and I don't think he had issues.


Andy

I don't see anything wrong with it in theroy... but I surely wouldn't try it with ratchet straps around the tires like that... maybe put some chains around the axles, so it can't roll forward or back.. I'd try to get it a bit more forward if possible though.

WTF....Are you thinking.Legal issues would be the last of my worries.I used to drive a f 450 at work.When I had it loaded where the front was that high up it drove like shit and the front end would come off the ground through a wave in the highway.I would say don't do that shit and I do some very stupid shit sometimes.

I'd bet that it's very light on the front axle ie steer terrible and over on the the rear weight wise.

I'm curious as to how you got the jeep on the back like that. Ramps?

I'd bet that it's very light on the front axle ie steer terrible and over on the the rear weight wise.Not much more than if he's was towing another daully from the front, And that happens EVERY day.

If you hit the gas really hard, could you pull a wheelie?

I just find it disturbing.

If you hit the gas really hard, could you pull a wheelie?


He already has a wheelie bar on it:laughing:

Why not tow it with the rear D-shaft disconnected?

Don't count on the straps on the front tires staying there, they may seem tight but as soon as the jeep starts wiggling or moving they will slide right off. I've tried that method once before out of desperation and it does not work.

Look what it is parked in fron of. Probably some good drinking going on before this Jeep was put up there!!!

IMHO I would not do this. If you (your buddy) do this I need some names so I can keep an eye out for the next Darwin awards.

i would imagine the police in most states would pull you over and claim its unsafe. even if you think it is safe i would bet they would still stop you.

How are people behind you supposed to see your taillights? Thats why you won't get very far.

The front of that truck has more weight on the front axel with that jeep, Than it would if it was towing another F350 or 450 from the front axel. And that happens everyday. And far as the lights go , theirs a thing call tow lights that ALL tow trucks have , plug & mount where you want. The racket staps? Used every day aswell for the same dam thing.And long as you have it straped well it's LEGAL. Grab some commansence out the door and roll wid it/ Though post 10 make sence too.

Don't count on the straps on the front tires staying there, they may seem tight but as soon as the jeep starts wiggling or moving they will slide right off. I've tried that method once before out of desperation and it does not work.If you dont bootyfab it will, This is about the same thing on this his and are used EVERYDAY
http://www.awdirect.com/awdirect/catalog.cfm?dest=itempg&itemid=9940&secid=92&linkon=subsection&linkid=458 Some of you guys need too get out more

The front of that truck has more weight on the front axel with that jeep, Than it would if it was towing another F350 or 450 from the front axel. And that happens everyday. And far as the lights go , theirs a thing call tow lights that ALL tow trucks have , plug & mount where you want. The racket staps? Used every day aswell for the same dam thing.And long as you have it straped well it's LEGAL. Grab some commansence out the door and roll wid it/ Though post 10 make sence too.
If you dont bootyfab it will, This is about the same thing on this his and are used EVERYDAY
http://www.awdirect.com/awdirect/cat...ion&linkid=458 Some of you guys need too get out more

If you don't like other opinions, then don't post up and ask. Not trying to be an ass, but don't get all bent out of shape. The thing might be as safe as anything else on the road, but it doesn't look that way. And the people here don't have a chance to drive it, so they have to form an opinion from what they can see. And trust me, it does not look safe. So calm down a little and respect what others have to say, and they will respect you for listening.

The front of that truck has more weight on the front axel with that jeep, Than it would if it was towing another F350 or 450 from the front axel. And that happens everyday. And far as the lights go , theirs a thing call tow lights that ALL tow trucks have , plug & mount where you want. The racket staps? Used every day aswell for the same dam thing.And long as you have it straped well it's LEGAL. Grab some commansence out the door and roll wid it/ Though post 10 make sence too.

ah! now i see the point of this thread. you've already made up you mind that its fine, go drive around and let us know how it goes. and be sure to post results, good or bad.

If you don't like other opinions, then don't post up and ask. Not trying to be an ass, but don't get all bent out of shape. The thing might be as safe as anything else on the road, but it doesn't look that way. And the people here don't have a chance to drive it, so they have to form an opinion from what they can see. And trust me, it does not look safe. So calm down a little and respect what others have to say, and they will respect you for listening.WTF????? YOU NEED GLASSES? RE READ THE SCREEN NAMES ON WHO IS ASKING. LOL Im not trying not b an ass ether.

ah! now i see the point of this thread. you've already made up you mind that its fine, go drive around and let us know how it goes. and be sure to post results, good or bad.You too, Got glasses? Look at the screen name more carful.

The front of that truck has more weight on the front axel with that jeep, Than it would if it was towing another F350 or 450 from the front axel. And that happens everyday. And far as the lights go , theirs a thing call tow lights that ALL tow trucks have , plug & mount where you want. The racket staps? Used every day aswell for the same dam thing.And long as you have it straped well it's LEGAL. Grab some commansence out the door and roll wid it/ Though post 10 make sence too.

Abortions happen most every minute....not just everyday....

A while back, I rode shotgun with a friend of mine for his Repo company (Katrina sent a lot of collateral up this way). I soon found that even if you do manage to lift the front end of a late model diesel truck with the wheel lift, the constant bombardment of the weight as the vehicle in tow traverses bumps/potholes/whatever will stress the mounting points something fierce.

Yes, there are ratchet straps for securing a tire/wheel to the wheel lift. But I would like you to find some that are rated to secure a, looks like a 35" tire? The straps securing the front axle don't look very safe...I would rather see those straps resting on the steering knuckle than the backside of the tire.:shaking: Many tow trucks and rollbacks rely on headache rack brakelights rather than magnetic ones. It all depends on what your state regs require.

Not everybody is as safety conscious as you. Thank you for looking out for us.:flipoff2:

Abortions happen most every minute....not just everyday....

A while back, I rode shotgun with a friend of mine for his Repo company (Katrina sent a lot of collateral up this way). I soon found that even if you do manage to lift the front end of a late model diesel truck with the wheel lift, the constant bombardment of the weight as the vehicle in tow traverses bumps/potholes/whatever will stress the mounting points something fierce.

Yes, there are ratchet straps for securing a tire/wheel to the wheel lift. But I would like you to find some that are rated to secure a, looks like a 35" tire? The straps securing the front axle don't look very safe...I would rather see those straps resting on the steering knuckle than the backside of the tire.:shaking: Many tow trucks and rollbacks rely on headache rack brakelights rather than magnetic ones. It all depends on what your state regs require.

Not everybody is as safety conscious as you. Thank you for looking out for us.:flipoff2: I agree it's NOT the best thing in the world too do , But he ask if leagal, And it is , and ''somewhat'' safe. but no not the best way for sure. P.S all ''stinger'' truck like one in photo SHOULD have to magnetic lights, :beer:

ah! now i see the point of this thread. you've already made up you mind that its fine, go drive around and let us know how it goes. and be sure to post results, good or bad.

I don't see how Rockhales is going to drive that truck when he is in TN and the truck is in NY... :rolleyes:

As for my $.02, from the picture the setup looks unsafe. I wouldn't drive it whether it was legal or not unless you are just trying to make it across town or a similar short trip. In addition, different states have different opinions on what is safe on their roads. I know we have stuff that travels on our roads here in the midwest that is extremely overweight and unsafe, but the rules just don't seem to get enforced on private vehicles like they do on commercial ones.

Just looks unsafe and I believe that truck is overloaded at this point. That is not a 2 ton truck. That Jeep probably weighs 4,500 lbs.

I don't see how Rockhales is going to drive that truck when he is in TN and the truck is in NY... :rolleyes:

:beer: , I gave my opinion, But Aces8's post 10 is the over all best way for him

Just looks unsafe and I believe that truck is overloaded at this point. That is not a 2 ton truck. That Jeep probably weighs 4,500 lbs.
Think of a roleback thay haul more than that! The weight is too far back, not ''overloaded''

Just looks unsafe and I believe that truck is overloaded at this point. That is not a 2 ton truck. That Jeep probably weighs 4,500 lbs.

Read, comprehend, research if required and THEN post. You obviously missed at least ONE of these steps.

It's a buddies 450.

IE Ford F-450.
IE 15K GVWR.
IE 11K Rear GAWR.
IE 6-7K payload the way it is setup.

I have commercial plates etc. on my 550 and there is no way I would consider hauling that the way it is pictured. Commercial plates means that you are subject to the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations (FMCSRs) and Financial Responsibility Requirements.

The racket staps? Used every day aswell for the same dam thing.

No, they are not.


The straps you have on the rear are correct. The straps on the front tires appear to be just normal ratchet straps, and CANNOT be depended upon to stay secure around the tire like that. If you had some tire specific ratchet straps on the front tires it might be ok, but if you took thoes ratchet straps and crossed them from some attachment point on the axles or frame down to the bed of the tow truck to keep it from moving side to side I think you could get by with that setup.

WTF????? YOU NEED GLASSES? RE READ THE SCREEN NAMES ON WHO IS ASKING. LOL Im not trying not b an ass ether.
Holy shat, sorry man. I had my screen adjusted over to read the whole post (the picture made the post to big to read without adjusting) and when I read the post it sounded like you where the guy driving and/or asking. Once again sorry for it being directed at you.

But I still stand behind what I said. And it may be legal, but that doesn't mean that it is safe. And the comments about the standard straps on the front axle are right on. Those standard straps get used a lot for a lot of different things, but they aren't right, and different straps should be used. At 4,500 lbs., you'd be putting almost half the weight of that truck, behind the rear axle. I can see no way possible that it is safe to drive that way. I know that tow trucks pick up heavy rigs and drag them around. But they are only picking up the front, and they raise them up at high angles to transfer the weight to the rear axle of the towed vehicle, so the tow truck is carrying less weight. You don't have that in this case.

Holy shat, sorry man. I had my screen adjusted over to read the whole post (the picture made the post to big to read without adjusting) and when I read the post it sounded like you where the guy driving and/or asking. Once again sorry for it being directed at you.

:beer:

If you dont bootyfab it will, This is about the same thing on this his and are used EVERYDAY
http://www.awdirect.com/awdirect/catalog.cfm?dest=itempg&itemid=9940&secid=92&linkon=subsection&linkid=458 Some of you guys need too get out more
Thanks for the link, I was wondering were to buy those.


Tow driver that hauled our Flat Bed after it lost an axle used those and I quizzed him about them. He uses them to haul buses cross country and finds them very good and safe. I liked them as they looked easier and cleaner than crawling under the truck to do hook ups sometimes. And I've wanted to pick-up/make a set to add to my straping options.

As for the original pic. *I* don't think there are any specific legal issues with it, and with the exception of the front tire straps (in the picture they look like normal straps, not tire straps) the truck actually looks well supported on the wheel lift, the whole set up just "looks" funny. However *I* suspect that your buddy will get hassled more often than not, especially with the commercial tags. While there may not be specific rules against that set up, staters (and probably local's as well) can and would make your life miserable, and for all intents and purposes, there word or opinion is "law" in the field. And if they say its not safe, its now not safe, even if there in little to no chance of it causing any issues.

Why not tow it with the rear D-shaft disconnected?

The YJ is no longer licensed, so he'd need at least a dolly. He has a GN trailer that'll fit 2 SWB heeps, so it's not that he doesn't have the right stuff handy.


I'm curious as to how you got the jeep on the back like that. Ramps?

No idea. All I git was the pic in an email asking of it was legal.



Andy

The YJ is no longer licensed, so he'd need at least a dolly. :confused:

:confused:


If something is flat towed, doesn't it need to have plates and insurance?


Andy

If something is flat towed, doesn't it need to have plates and insurance?


Andy
Not from the back of a ''tow'' or repo truck, at least not in TN,GA,FL And he's not talking about ''flat'' towing, Hanging the front wheels in the stinger(wheellift) and back wheel on the ground. The way the truck was MADE to haul.

First and foremost, those straps on the front don't look right, but everything else fine to me.

For all of the posts about the front being too light, do any of you have experience towing? That Jeep could be standing on it's nose at the end of the bed, and the front still wouldn't be too light. Will it handle the same as when it's empty? Absolutely not. Common sense is the difference between safe and unsafe in this particular example.

If something is flat towed, doesn't it need to have plates and insurance?


if all 4 wheels are on the ground,then it technically needs plates in ohio. you can prolly slap any plate on it and get hassled less thaN he would with it riding around on top of the bed. i used to flat tow my GW to the trails all the time with the plate from my DD xj on it. if you have functioning lights,safety chains,and look like you know what youre doin,its likely you wont get hassled even with no plate. friend of mine used to flat tow his cj 5 all the time with no plate at all.

not sure how it changes things when the front wheels are on a wheel lift,but its easy to put a plate on it and just use thw wheel lift if he doesnt want to fool with his trailer.

please ask him how he got it up there and get back to us :grinpimp:

ah! now i see the point of this thread. you've already made up you mind that its fine, go drive around and let us know how it goes. and be sure to post results, good or bad.
Yep, he's one of THOSE guys. :laughing:

Looks like this setup is OK. He made it from VT to Paragon Pk, and back home without an issue.

On the way back he stopped at a scale -


I got the truck weighed tonight at a truck stop. (CAT scale)
Steer axle: 4,340lbs
Drive axle: 9,620lbs
Gross weight: 13,960lbs

On my door the weights are as follows:
GVWR: 15,000lbs
front CAWR: 6,000lbs
rear CAWR: 11,000lbs




Andy

Looks like this setup is OK. He made it from VT to Paragon Pk, and back home without an issue.

On the way back he stopped at a scale -


I got the truck weighed tonight at a truck stop. (CAT scale)
Steer axle: 4,340lbs
Drive axle: 9,620lbs
Gross weight: 13,960lbs

On my door the weights are as follows:
GVWR: 15,000lbs
front CAWR: 6,000lbs
rear CAWR: 11,000lbs




AndyYay, no one died, so it's cool.

I hate stupid people.:flipoff2:

I hate stupid people.:flipoff2:

OK, what's so stupid? His axle weights are legal. He has a commercial license which qualifies him to drive with loads that you cannot, unless you too have a CDL.

I'm sure a lot of 'normal' people think we're stupid for rock crawling and four wheeling in general. Let's try not be be like 'them' just because an idea is outside the box.

By the way, if you think this is a safety issue...go check out all the ports around southern California and the 80K pound trucks that deliver freight to and from. You'll see immigrants (some legal, some not) driving the biggest hunks of shit on the freeways and they are usually overloaded because there are very few weigh stations. A lot of these guys don't have CDL's.

Chris