Moab Pics

[Azrckcrawler]

We're back. well at least I am. Oilburner is probably somewhere close to Texas by now. Here's a couple pics from the first few days.

Loving that short wheelbase :p , note to self, give rear bumper a medal.

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Erik's rig worked flawlessy in Moab. He climbed the rockpile in Prichet after we removed the rocks, went right up White Knuckle, Double Whammy and dropped our jaws a couple other times.....

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Coming thru Upper Helldorado....

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Oilburner stripped the teeth off the front ouput shaft on his stock t-case (took us a while to figure that one out), so we did a quick 80 mile road trip to Colorado (at 11pm Wed) to pick up another stock t-case and pulled/re-install his Klune/t-case to get him going by Thursday (thanks for the case Rick). I'll post more pics later.

6:1's worked good, anyone got a T-180 they want to get rid of? :D Rick let me drive his buggy and I want an automatic, man it was nice. Claws worked great in Moab, anyone who says they don't is smoking crack or looking at the radials :flipoff2: Actually all the tires did great, like I had heard there are no traction problems in Moab, probably the worst place to "test" or evaluate a tire.

[grimbo]

hey no fair. I finally get to post some pics of me on some rocks and you go and wipe them off the face of the earth with these killer shots. Doh!:p

[bb88]

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


Erik's rig worked flawlessy in Moab. He climbed the rockpile in Prichet after we removed the rocks, went right up White Knuckle, Double Whammy and dropped our jaws a couple other times.....

WOW!!! UP White Knuckle!!!!??? I'm impressed!!! at EJS I didn't see anyone make it up.......sweet pics

[BrewCrew]

Originally posted by grimbo
hey no fair. Doh!:p

Haha! :D
Those pics are hard to beat.............
Man I'm jealous, looked like a sweet trip. :flipoff2:

Did YOU get any damage?

[Azrckcrawler]

Originally posted by HeyheyXJ


Haha! :D
Those pics are hard to beat.............
Man I'm jealous, looked like a sweet trip. :flipoff2:

Did YOU get any damage?

I bent a rear leaf spring on that first near roll, also broke a Rancho 9000 coming out of Behind the Rocks, one of the welds let go. These pics are from the first two days, I got another couple hundred from the next three days I still have to sort thru :) Should have some of Erik climbing the Rockpile and White Knuckle, also got some good ones of me playing in the Mickey's hot tub and some of Erik and me getting drug around while we tried to pull Rick's Zuk up Rocker Knocker.

[Azrckcrawler]

Originally posted by bb88
WOW!!! UP White Knuckle!!!!??? I'm impressed!!! at EJS I didn't see anyone make it up.......sweet pics

Yep, like it was nothing :eek: The only thing he tried but didn't make was the really big hot tub before Mickeys, the one just past the Black Hole. That's one steep climb.

[JackA]

Looking good bud. We'll have to meet up soon.:D

[tdavis]

I think I'm going to ban myself from your website..

Too much good stuff. I've got to get that zuk finished..

[Azrckcrawler]

Originally posted by JackA
Looking good bud. We'll have to meet up soon.:D

There's a new trail out in FJ I want to hit before it gets too warm. Are you going to run Asylum with Zags?

[JackA]

Chris, are you talking about Overdose in FJ? I will probably run Asylum, but I need to finish the tube work up front first.:D

[Azrckcrawler]

Originally posted by JackA
Chris, are you talking about Overdose in FJ? I will probably run Asylum, but I need to finish the tube work up front first.:D

That just might be the one Jack, um or should I say one-eye :D I heard you got a little rowdy out at the hammers and made a few improvements to the front end.

[CSR]

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
Oilburner stripped the teeth off the front ouput shaft on his stock t-case >pulled/re-install his Klune/t-case to get him going

When Tim bought the Klune, he asked if I thought the stock t-case would be the weak link......:nuke:

How'd his P/S work?

[JackA]

Alittle winching and hammering on the frontend and its back to normal.;)

[zukstur]

There were four rigs that made it up white knuckle, Tod Beanlands scrambler, Eriks zuk , Tims (oil burner)zuk and my zuk.
On the rock pile Erik and my rig were the only two that made it. Erik and Tim were the only ones that could climbed double whammy, oh well theirs always next time. I had a great time wheeling with Erik, Chris and Tim. I broke on the golden crack trying to crab down the crack for a pic. The radious arm snapped, we made a welder out of battiers and chirs had some 3/32 rod, Rick Gersch cut a piece of his handy man jack handle off so we could slide it over the radoius arm and weld it back together. The jack handle was to light and broke just past the weld so I hooked my winch up to the rear axel and pulled it back into place where it stayed so we could proceed on to double whammy.
I,.m going to change the rear radious arms but not sure what set up I will be using

[jims4x4]

damn that looks like fun

[Azrckcrawler]

Originally posted by zukstur
There were four rigs that made it up white knuckle, Tod Beanlands scrambler, Eriks zuk , Tims (oil burner)zuk and my zuk.
On the rock pile Erik and my rig were the only two that made it. Erik and Tim were the only ones that could climbed double whammy, oh well theirs always next time. I had a great time wheeling with Erik, Chris and Tim. I broke on the golden crack trying to crab down the crack for a pic. The radious arm snapped, we made a welder out of battiers and chirs had some 3/32 rod, Rick Gersch cut a piece of his handy man jack handle off so we could slide it over the radoius arm and weld it back together. The jack handle was to light and broke just past the weld so I hooked my winch up to the rear axel and pulled it back into place where it stayed so we could proceed on to double whammy.
I,.m going to change the rear radious arms but not sure what set up I will be using

Yeah, I haven't gotten to those pics yet, Erik is still uploading them to my ftp site. Erik wasn't the only one who made it up, but he consistantly had the easiest time doing the climbs. White Knuckle was scary :eek:

[scwafish]

AZ-glad to hear you guys had a good time...as always thanks for the great pics.

[0ILBURNER]

Originally posted by CSR


When Tim bought the Klune, he asked if I thought the stock t-case would be the weak link......:nuke:

How'd his P/S work?

It was my own fault the teeth stripped - I didn't remove enough sheet metal (see, I keep telling you guys sheet metal = Bad) and the 4WD coupler wasn't enguaged enough - fianlly stripped the teeth. That problem is fixed & now life is Good. For now I am still running the stock front Sami driveshaft so I hope the u-joints are the weakest link ;)

The power steering worked flawlessly :grinpimp:


BTW, I literally IDLED up "White Knuckle" :D
But Erik's rig easily handled practically All the obstacles. In Moab the vast majority of challenges are steep climbs, and for that it is HARD to beat the weight of that V8 up front + automatic.:smokin:

[TNToy]

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER
In Moab the vast majority of challenges are steep climbs, and for that it is HARD to beat the weight of that V8 up front + automatic.:smokin: Not it's not. You just need to go powerstroke. You already have the donor. ;)

[okcrawler]

Chris,

You mentioned having several problems keeping your fuel pump primed when you were at Moab. Are you running an in-tank pump or an external unit? Do you think it's due to pump location? Where is your fuel pickup?

I'm thinking of building a new tank so I can move my axle back further. However, I will then have to rely solely on an external (inline) pump. Your stories have me concerned. With the way I drive, that thing must work VERTICAL! :)

[zukstur]

okcrawler check out [URL=http://www.speedwaymotors.com] they have fuel cells that are 3, 8, 12 gallons on up . I used the 8 gallon and put the suction lines that are on the cell to the back for steep climbs . no problems what so ever.

[okcrawler]

Originally posted by zukstur
okcrawler check out [URL=http://www.speedwaymotors.com] they have fuel cells that are 3, 8, 12 gallons on up . I used the 8 gallon and put the suction lines that are on the cell to the back for steep climbs . no problems what so ever.

Thanks, but I plan to build my own. I've done the design one one that will fit inside the Sami frame below the body. I can place it 6" higher than stock, and still hold 10 gallons. However, the in-tank pump will have to go. Fuel pickup will be critical because the tank will have a very low vertical profile...

But, I may just move the axle back then take a hammer to my old tank 'till the axle clears! :D

I was just curious if Chris knows why his was vaporlocking like that, and what (if anything) he was planning to do about it. If he had problems in Moab, then I'd quickly be SOL in Disney...

[0ILBURNER]

Originally posted by okcrawler


If he had problems in Moab, then I'd quickly be SOL in Disney...



The Only place in Disney you'd be as vertical as Chris was when he vapor-locked is the Right side of the "Waterfall". (Remember I've been to both places) He was literally pointed straight up both times.:eek:

[Azrckcrawler]

Originally posted by okcrawler
Chris,

You mentioned having several problems keeping your fuel pump primed when you were at Moab. Are you running an in-tank pump or an external unit? Do you think it's due to pump location? Where is your fuel pickup?

I'm thinking of building a new tank so I can move my axle back further. However, I will then have to rely solely on an external (inline) pump. Your stories have me concerned. With the way I drive, that thing must work VERTICAL! :)

I run an inline. I think the second time it happened might have been my fault, I had turned the fuel pump off because I heard something leaking while I was doing a wheelstand and waiting to see if I was going to go over. I wonder if the altitude was a factor as well?

[okcrawler]

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER
The Only place in Disney you'd be as vertical as Chris was when he vapor-locked is the Right side of the "Waterfall". (Remember I've been to both places) He was literally pointed straight up both times.:eek:

Oilburner, remember Disney is mostly an 'optional' place. You make it as hard or as easy as you want. I've been wheenin' Disney for years now and I've got some places I'm sure you have never been, probably never saw. :) Last weekend I tried a new line up the waterfall (straight over the point), I was draggin my rear bumper (w/ over 60 degree depart angle) and had both fronts in the air trying to 'bump' the ledge!

Maybe it's time for you to come visit again.. ;) With your longer wheel base, following me should be easy. But, Jayson can give you something to shoot for..... :D

Chris,
Is your pump located forward of the tank (on the frame)? Maybe nose up has it pulling the fuel too far up hill. The Moab area is only 6K feet elevation. That's less than Flagstaff.

[0ILBURNER]

The two places Chris stalled were more like trying to drive up "Nosedive"


Only Much taller......

[Azrckcrawler]

Originally posted by okcrawler



Chris,
Is your pump located forward of the tank (on the frame)? Maybe nose up has it pulling the fuel too far up hill. The Moab area is only 6K feet elevation. That's less than Flagstaff.

I wheel at nearly sea level, not much up in Flag as far as rocks. I doubt the pump would have problems pushing fuel, if that were the case it would start pumping again when level, which is where it stalled, AFTER I did the climb. As a matter o fact it started (barely) when I was on the winch on the last obstacle on Upper Helldorado, not bad for a carb. I also have a fuel return line which makes the whole thing even stranger :confused:

[superzuki]

Mark, I don't know if you have FI or not but with my Multi-Port setup I'm using a Ford E2000 from AutoZone with the stock tank. I also have moved my rear axle back 4 inches and running D44's with a little friendly rubbage btwn the tank skid and the diff cover, been that way 3 years and no problems. The fuel pump works fine, up on the "normal" line on the water fall and up nosedive with no problems. That is with the sotck pick up in the tank.

Jason Byerley

[okcrawler]

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER
The two places Chris stalled were more like trying to drive up "Nosedive"
Only Much taller......

Been there, TRIED THAT! I did not make it up :( (almost did not make it back off without rolling, looked a lot like the picture of Chris earlier in the post) :eek:. However, before he stretched Jayson did make it up (V6 Foot on the FLOOR)... :D :D

You guys still need to make a run out here some time. We've got new stuff I know you've not seen yet... :rasta:

Now back to the Moab stuff,,,, Chris where's the rests of the pics. I need some more inspiration. :D :D :D

[okcrawler]

Originally posted by superzuki
Mark, I don't know if you have FI or not but with my Multi-Port setup I'm using a Ford E2000 from AutoZone with the stock tank.

Jason Byerley

Jayson,
I'm stock '95 EFI (in-tank pump), with an inline 'boost' pump to feed my 1.6 8V. Had planned to go with just the inline if the tank has to go. I can go 1-2" more on the axle without hacking my fenders up too bad. Another inch of lift is also manditory. Wanta see if I can get enough to do 35's. :D :D

[okcrawler]

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
not bad for a carb

CARB! I did not realize that. That thing ran WAY too good for a carb. I had assumed you were EFI...... :rolleyes:

[Azrckcrawler]

Originally posted by okcrawler



Now back to the Moab stuff,,,, Chris where's the rests of the pics. I need some more inspiration. :D :D :D

They are coming. I have been hitting junk yards on the way home every night :D Also had a 4x4 club meeting last night. I'll try and get Day 4 up tonight.

[superzuki]

Mark, Yea- I'm wanting to go to a 35 myself, or maybe even a 37. I really don't want to move my rear any more ( that means I'd have to move my tank and cut the rear, I'd like to keep the rear of the tub ) I'm goin' try to move the front forward maybe as much as 4.5 inches. Then I'd be at 89". I just have to reconfigure my steering so it won't bind. I'll probably do a ram assist but not fully hydraulic. I'd like to go longer but it's hard to do without hackin' the tub, which may be what happens before it's done.

When are ya'll going to Moab. I think several of us will be in either DIsney or Clayton for Memorial Day.

Jason Byerley

[okcrawler]

Originally posted by superzuki
Mark, Yea- I'm wanting to go to a 35 myself, or maybe even a 37.
When are ya'll going to Moab. I think several of us will be in either DIsney or Clayton for Memorial Day.

Jason Byerley

We leave next Thr, we'll be wheelin' 7 days!

I may be getting greedy with 35's. 33's work so well with sami WB (80-84"), so 35's we'll just have to see. I'd urge against moving your front forward very much. Once you loose the weight over the front axle they really quit pulling. I've seen a lot of CJ's where they move the front out to match that big ass bumper. They don't climb worth a d@m. Moving the back gives the most benifit. I drive my truck around town almost every day. I'm not ready to give that up (besides, on my last wheelin' trip I got 18 mpg! - it was a casual trail run with the club though...)

Where are you out of Jayson? I'm sure we will be wheelin' somewhere, likely to be Disney. Clayton would be Ok, but I bet it will be swarming with Texans! (let me guess, you're from TX....:D ) Maybe I can talk the guys into going to Poteau and we can really tear sh!t up. :D :D

[superzuki]

Mark,
Nope- no Texans here. I'm out of Springfield, MO. I stood on top of your rig to take a pic of the rigs on the rock pile at the 44 run.

I've been to Disney several times when you were there. Mine is white and did have grey stipes and crap on it. Has a MPI 2.8 V6, 700R4, D44's, YJ's, etc. I'm sre you've seen it.

I wish I was heading to Moab with you guys. Maybe next year..............

Jason Byerley

[okcrawler]

Originally posted by superzuki
Mark,
Nope- no Texans here. I'm out of Springfield, MO. I stood on top of your rig to take a pic of the rigs on the rock pile at the 44 run.


Cool. I did not get much of a chance to look around much that weekend. I ran my arse of taking pics... :rasta:
Were you at that Zuk gathering in Disney earlier this year? I saw several V6 rigs, and I think I know the one you are talking about. You guys were over at Little Blue when I found the group?

FYI - Our club is sponsoring a Novice run the weekend before (May 18th). We'll provide trail leaders for ANYTHING the groups want to run... PM me sometime when you're in town. We can try and hook up and I can show you some of my 'secrete' spots... :D :D

[superzuki]

Yea I was the one that kinda got the Zuk thing going this year. After Troy quit I tried to get the thing going but most people didn't know about it.

Are there any really good climbs back in the woods. I've tried everything I can find with the exception of the one with the rock bluff face by the road along the river. Played on it but never had the balls to make a full throttle attempt.

I need beadlocks. Know anyone selling a set of 15x10 6 holers? I'm not doing the waterfall thing again without them. I've had to back off of that thing 3 times die to losing a bead on the rear. Only made it once.

I might make it the 18th, been pretty busy, starting a business and have to do whatever I can to make it happen.

Jason

[okcrawler]

Originally posted by superzuki
Yea I was the one that kinda got the Zuk thing going this year. After Troy quit I tried to get the thing going but most people didn't know about it.

Are there any really good climbs back in the woods. I've tried everything I can find with the exception of the one with the rock bluff face by the road along the river. Played on it but never had the balls to make a full throttle attempt.

Ok, I only heard about it a few days before, and I was late getting there because of work I needed to do work on the Sami. Let me know if you need any help doing one of those again. I helped Troy in the past by providing trail leaders or what ever. Maybe we can do another Zuk run this fall...

RoolOver Hill, that's the one you saw. Yes, it takes commitment to get up that, and it HAS EARNED it's name! :D :D There is another spot worst than that off of Ho Chi Mihn. It's not climbable any more, but it's a blast to drive off of. I took some guys down it at night a little while ago. You pretty much slide down the hill on loose rock right up to the big drop off. It's got some major PF :p.