Well I still have yet to get a positive ID on my tranny, everyone tells me the TC is a Dana 20. I know that the tranny is a 3 speed Ford (fomoco) side loader, & it feels like R is up & to the left. This is all installed in a 69' CJ-5. Ive never driven the rig, as I bought it as a project. Also it would appear that there is an adaptor between the tranny & TC. Ive posted similar pics before, though today I sprayed it all down with the good purple stuff & gave my new pressure washer a wirl :redgrin:
Someone had taken the time to install this drivetrain ( not the P/O ) & I would assume for a good reason. WenSen did some of the fab work, though when I contacted them, they only seemed to remeber a big block CJ matching that description. The radiator is marked as a GM V8 radiator. Im really wondering if this is worth keeping, If it was behind a big block, & has decently low first, Id be a winner :usflag:

Shifter, notice many patches in floor from various drivetrains through the years ( & colours)

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/stjjames/sideloader.jpg


Far off

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/stjjames/tranny.jpg

up close

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/stjjames/numbers-1.jpg

Is this an adapter ???

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/stjjames/all1.jpg

And for good measure, the TC, so that someone might confirm my suspicion

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/stjjames/TC.jpg

early Bronco ??

The T-Case is a passenger side drop D20, so its either a scout or a jeep t-case. Fords were all driver drop. I am not sure on the trans though. I didnt know any 4wd's used a 3sp trans like that (not a top shift top loader). It actually looks fabbed on there, like they just removed the tail housing and made an adapter. The clutch bell-crank is welded to the D20 housing as well.

So I saw this :

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y231/stjjames/2122.jpg

A swap for the stock Bronco 3 speed - on the tree - to a floor shifted unit. Anyone ever seen this ??? If this is what Ive got can someone tell me a ittle about the Bronco 3 speed ?? Thanks
Would this be a worthwhile tranny to keep ? Can I bolt a (with proper Bellhousing ) a 302 EFI up to it ?
Will this hold up to modern 302 power ? Is there any reason I shoud spend another $1500 initially to swap a NV4500/D300 combo on ?

yep.. .that is a Ford 303 tranny... Medium Duty 3 speed, out of almost everything with a 3speed (Tailshaft changed with 2wd/4wd application)

We bronco guys use them as door stops... first gear is (IIRC) 3.03

As for the floor shift you showed in thge picture, you loose a LOT of right leg clearance. As for the swap I would grab a toploader 4 speed if you don't need the low first gear, and an NP 435 if you do need the low first gear...

here is the way I did it:
http://www2.gol.com/users/neasham2/bronco/mods/pics/floor_shifter.jpg

For the Bronco with the SB V8, the NP435 stands up to everything you can do to it. You will however need the AA kit to mate a 2wd NP435 with the D20.

HTH,

eric

It's a 3.03 3 speed probably from an EB. Ratios were 3.41:1, 1.86:1, 1:1 2.99:1, 1.46:1, 1:1 depending on what engine it was behind. The 3.03 designator is the center line distance between the main and countershafts in inches.

3.03 aint too bad of a tranny. Stands up to the 352FE in the 66, and the 302 in the 71. Rather have a T18/19 though.

Adrianspeeder

3.03 aint too bad of a tranny. Stands up to the 352FE in the 66, and the 302 in the 71. Rather have a T18/19 though.

Adrianspeeder
It was the standard equipment transmission in all the F100's up to at least '72 and all EB's through the end of production in '77.

I'm not sure on reverse position, but:

np435 - 4 spd with non-syncro first, lowest first.
t-18 - 4 spd with non-syncro first.
t-19 - 4 spd with syncro first.

I've just always been told by jeep guys the 4 speed tranny from early 3/4ton 80's F-series and bigger is the tranny to have.
cheap, easy to find in junk yards, strong enough for most, easy to adapt to jeep, and I have driven quite a few early F-Series, I believe the tranny in our truck was a T-19, and it is a nice strong tranny, except first gear, when they get old and abused you can't use first cuz it will jump right out as soon as you take your foot off the clutch to move, but I believe our 84 F-350 Rollback tow truck had 3.55 gears, and still did not need 1st, we drove it for years with out 1st gear untill the tranny died, and then replaced it fairly cheap with a Jasper, and the 1st gear was nice and low on the new one, still rarely used 1st unless loaded on an incline.
most jeep guys I know also take the carburated 351W the tranny is bolted to too, but I know you can adapt the tranny to jeep inline 6's with adavanced adaptors...

if his jeep has the stock 1969 engine in it, it is a dauntless V-6 unless he has the F head 4 banger, just a little FYI fenders, grill and hood from early 70's CJ-5 will give you more clearance for a larger engine, I have a 73 CJ-5 frame and drive train, with a 258 from a 77 gremlin, and my body is from the 60's with the newer front clip, and I still have the holes in the floor from the older style pedals and steering column, you can adapt the older jeep to saginaw style steering, and newer style hanging pedals fairly easily too...
just stuff to think about if yer gonna put any time or money into that thing, you may want to put a jeep inline 6 in it, and you will need the different front clip to fit it, or if you are going to grab a nice 4 speed from the junkyard, maybe take the ford small block V-8 too?


I already have a Saginaw box, & the rig currently sports a Dauntless. I have a TJ as well & am . . . well not willing to swap a straight six into anything. A V8 is destined for this rig. The T18/T19 might be the way to go then, along with a 5.0.
The inteferience of the shifter wasnt really that bad, though the lack of a sufficent low gear really turns me off - that & the lack of a real highway gears, I.E.: 4th or 5th. The Entire drivetrain would be the way to go, what would you guys recommend as a donor, must be fuel injected, must be a manual with meaty low first. Thanks

As for the floor shift you showed in thge picture, you loose a LOT of right leg clearance.

I have the same setup in my eb. Leg clearance is pretty intolerable like that, but once I threw a nice bend in the shifter arm you've got plenty of room and the knob is still within easy reach. Plus the bend is hidden by the boot so you can't even tell its not supposed to be that way. If aesthetics is an issue :D

I have the same setup in my eb. Leg clearance is pretty intolerable like that, but once I threw a nice bend in the shifter arm you've got plenty of room and the knob is still within easy reach. Plus the bend is hidden by the boot so you can't even tell its not supposed to be that way. If aesthetics is an issue :D


You can see in the first picture, that the one in my CJ has a pretty hefty bend built into it, its really not that bad . . .