OK, AFI and Pendy both seem to think it's no big deal to find errors in the factory manuals. In the last two weeks, I've found errors in the ETM that would cause major issues were one to accept them without reservation.

Anybody else run into this?

PT

PT, I have, although it's been a while, and I can't remember which of the relays was mis-labled in the ETM. What did you find?

What did you find?

The first one was with the window ECU, in the testing area, they had mislabeled the key position for a test and one test had a result that indicated one needed to replace the window motor when in fact, there was a failure that occurred inside the ECU that the test method overlooked. Both resulted in wasted time for diagnosis.

The second one dealt with the alram unit and central door locking indicating the presenc eof wires in a NAS vehicle that would only have been present in South African, Japanese and UK spec vehicles with no reference to the lack fo these parts in one or the toher vehicle. This one was very frustrating and resulte dinteh wasting of about two hours as I shouldn't have ahd to disassemble the second door to trace the mystery wires to determine the lock actuator had failed along with the alram unit. Once I got the alarm unit out, I was able ti see where the main elay fo rhte horn had so much corrosionon it that one of thepoles had completely rusted away. Gee, do you think that with just the right conditions of temp and humidity, this corrosion (presumably conductive:flipoff2:) could cause the horn to sound while the alarm was not triggered?

The good thing is that I learned a lot (cue the Kid Rock) and won't be stung again. The sad thing is that just a few short months ago, I could have put my hands on all of the used parts necessary to fix both trucks, instead of having to disable an alarm/central door lock system and hope the client ocmes back to have this stuf ffixed.

PT

I recommend a Zen approach to diagnostics rather than the dualistic,the shop manual says if this,then do this, method:flipoff2:

I recommend a Zen approach to diagnostics rather than the dualistic,the shop manual says if this,then do this, method:flipoff2:

But Doug, I'm a mahayana buddhist, not Zen. I just can't handle the whole beating supplicants for not being in the zone (Don't tell Shopboy, all that time in the shop, I told him I was just being a good Zen master:flipoff2: ).

It was the Zen approach the stealership didn't like.

Finding errors in the Rover manuals was like the time I found an error in CRC handbook of Chemistry and Physics back when I was in College.

PT

Yes,dealerships definately discourage individual thought,everytime we hire a guy from the dealers for our shop we have to retrain them to actually understand what they're working on,not just follow the flowchart