I'm tired of changing stock 700r4's all the time.:mad3: Any recomendations (other then switch to a 400:rolleyes: ) from those running BBC's in full size Chevy's, on who builds the best and most reasonable 700'r4's for 4 wheel drives. Also what modifications did you have done to it and why. It's for the truck under my name and gets used on the road and hard off the road. I really like that skinny pedal on the right. :D Thanks in advance for your imput.

I am ready to buy a sweet 700R4 from Summit made by TCI. TCI wants $1900 for the tranny, Summit sells it for $1400 It is supposed to be the best one made. Hope it helps Jim

I too have been on the hunt for a built 700R4 because mine is starting to get a little slippery. I've looked and called many places and Summit has had the best tranny (same one Powerstroken mentioned) for the price. Even better than any local shop could quote me and that's even with me bringing them a core.

This one is a little more than what Powerstroken was talking about but it's designed for 4X4's/RV's and is designed to shift softer and handle towing loads...

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=TCI%2D371402&N=4294908216+1009+115&autoview=sku

and this is the one that Powerstroken was probably talking about...

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=TCI%2D371400&N=1009+115&autoview=sku

-Avery

I too have been on the hunt for a built 700R4 because mine is starting to get a little slippery. I've looked and called many places and Summit has had the best tranny (same one Powerstroken mentioned) for the price. Even better than any local shop could quote me and that's even with me bringing them a core.

This one is a little more than what Powerstroken was talking about but it's designed for 4X4's/RV's and is designed to shift softer and handle towing loads...

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=TCI%2D371402&N=4294908216+1009+115&autoview=sku

and this is the one that Powerstroken was probably talking about...

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=TCI%2D371400&N=1009+115&autoview=sku

-Avery


If your in cali go to the god, Mike Lovrich of Inglewood Transmissions
310-674-4400

He will build you the baddest tranny on this earth

Hmm anytime people call you a god it instantly sounds expensive. I'll give him a call tomorrow and see what he can do for a reasonable price.

-Avery

Mad Dog transmissions in Florida. Talk to "mad dog" Lou himself and he will set you up with anything you need. I have bought three from him....one for my 4x4 and 2 for camaros. Visit www.maddogtransmissions.com

For national stuff, Hughs or Art Carr.

I'd stay away from TCI. When their stuff works, it's great. When it doesn't, it was a full time job trying to reach them on the phone or email.

This place has alot of info and parts. Never heard any first hand experience though.
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/highperf700r4.htm

Rossler Transmissions in Girard, OH. Rossler Trans (http://www.rosslertrans.com/)

I see these guys name pop up a lot..

http://www.bowtieoverdrives.com/catalog/catalog.php?Action=GETSUBCAT&CATID=B

http://www.racetransmissions.com/store/index.php/cPath/1_25_56

I'm tired of changing stock 700r4's all the time.:mad3: Any recomendations (other then switch to a 400:rolleyes: ) from those running BBC's in full size Chevy's, on who builds the best and most reasonable 700'r4's for 4 wheel drives. Also what modifications did you have done to it and why. It's for the truck under my name and gets used on the road and hard off the road. I really like that skinny pedal on the right. :D Thanks in advance for your imput.

Why are you even trying to make the 700 work in that app?

Where in NW PA are you?

Bowtie overdrives there awesome they'll build to to handle your specs tell them what you have and they'll build it accordingly ....Don't go with TCI been down that road twice each one lasted less than 30,000 miles

I'll second the Mad Dog in florida, I got a 700R4 2 years ago and have not had any problems. cost is very reasonable as well.

a guy off of austink5 runs a 700 from www.700r4.com i'm looking into one of theirs, not too bad of a price. i HAVE to run a 700 or 350 now since i already ordered up my doubler with a 27 spline input shaft. lol. oh well, 400s just don't have a great first gear & no OD

mad dog, rossler, and art carr are good trannies, I am on my thrid and the last one is from art carr. my bbjeep eats them at the rate of 15 to 27 thousand miles. the stock was crap, only lasted twothousand after my pedal, the next one i got was from tci, more crap, the next was local high perfornance rebuild, that one lasted alittle longer, than the tci, i then decided to get serious and go for the art carr. all of these were under my slightly modded 454, what do you think is going to happen when i put my hot cammed, 496 bb stroker? it's only a matter of time before my art carr tranny explodes. it already doesn't feel the same as when i first got it. I'm in the process of changing over to an sm465, 4sp, I do not have the cash right now to invest in a beef up 4l80e, which was first choice.

i would not invest in any more 700's. if you have the cash and want the overdrive, get the beefup 4l80e, it's basically a 400 with overdrive but with all kinds of electronic stuff. if you are on the low buck budget, but want reliable power, a sooped up th400 can be scored for around 600 to 800 bucks, and that's with straightcut gears and heat treated everything.

Stock 80e's hold up just fine behind Vortec 454's and 494's, I scored my working 80e from a 96 with less than 45k on it for $400 with t-case and adaptor. It just seems to me like such a better option than going through 700r4's/60e's every 5-30k miles, not to mention a lot cheaper. Sure there's more work involved like having to find a deisel standalone comp for your older rigs(typically $100-200) and you have to match up the harness's, but once its done, its done.

Or you could go manual for even cheaper if your a fan of shifting your own gears, a 465 will hold a lot of abuse.

Just spending and spending on 700/60e's seems like a refusal to accept the obvious better choices, but thats my opinion I guess.

I have never had any problems with any TCI tranny's, but I have yet to run one of thier 700's. I have heard that the 4L80E is one freakin heavy tranny. I heard the torque converter alone was close to 100 lbs?

Avery, did you call my man mike?

I have never had any problems with any TCI tranny's, but I have yet to run one of thier 700's. I have heard that the 4L80E is one freakin heavy tranny. I heard the torque converter alone was close to 100 lbs?

Maybe a portly 40 heading to 50 for the TC. Ive got one with a couple quarts of fluid I had to move out of the bed into the garage the other week.

As for the 80e weight, honestly its not much different from the 60e. It took my dad and I to move the 60e and t-case adaptor and with the t-case still on it, it took me and 2 friends to move the 80e. It might be 50-80lbs heavier. I should put them both on the scale before I finish swapping the 80e in for factual numbers.

There really is NO reason to use a 700. why waste your money? my brother ran through 3 (each time progressively getting more expensive) until he finally realised that a 2000 dollar tranny should atleast be able to stand up to a built (350 horse/500 lb ft.) smallblock. get a tranny made to take BB torque, NOT a 700.

-Scott

I weighed the TC and I was off, with a few quarts it comes in at 63lbs.

Don't change your tranny man, I too had problems blowing up 700s and i listened to a dumbass that recomended i went to a th400. don't get me wrong, the Turbo Hydramatic 400 is basically bullet proof but its too heavy on the enine, it robs about 50 more horses to run than the lighter rinnung 700. Not to mention that you loose a gear. if your vehicle is highway worthy u'll regret to lose the 4th gear. reving up to 3300 rpms to go about 75mph. over wearing your motor and killing your gas. Another downside is that you have to drill your frame to space back your tranny xmember or having to buy a 400 cross member.. I addition you will have to Shorten your drive shaft 2 to 3 inches (about $180for cut and balance at shop) and you will also need a new spline (32) you may also need to change other sh*t to addapt to rear end if you go buy a 400 driveshaft set up at a junk yard.. Your linkage will not line up on your colum too unless you do yet more work there..... hmmm.. i'm sure i'm missing a few more things that i had to do.

Just click here and buy the last transmission for you vehicle. this guy garanties his $1300 trannys for one yr upt to 500hp and 450 ft/lbs or $1600 for $1600 for 700hp and 650 ft. lbs if you got a fire breathing machine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-700R4-PUNISHER-700R4-FREE-SHIP-CONVERTER-COOLER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33727QQihZ013QQi temZ230010487604QQrdZ1

I hope my suggestion is of some help, keep in mind i'm only a guy with little experience and i would strongly advice you do your homework so you don't end up making a mistake like the one i made ending up with a set up i didn't want just because i listened to some morron. Have a good day.

Holy over exageration batman!

Bite Me

Its not my fault your full of it, blame yourself:flipoff2:

Avery, did you call my man mike?

No I didn't have time to give him a call. I woke up and had to get ready and help my grandma to the doctors office (what kind of brand spankin new elderly doctor's office puts a huge flight of stairs and a 50 foot long 30*+ ramp? Idiots). Then when I got home I found out that a very well respected and greatly loved man named Wes Schmit passed away last night in his sleep. He was a leader of our church when we broke off over 40 years ago so he will be greatly missed. Then it was off to work, then to Taco Bell, then replaced the relay box for the blower motor (yeah, air!). So to answer your question, no.

^^long way to get a no, huh^^:D

I'll call him tomorrow and see what he says. Plus my dad is still pushing me to just look at what's in there. He says that since it's still shifting perfectly it is just slipping when I punch it and has a hard time staying in gear under heavy loads it might just be something a shift kit and overhaul could fix. I don't know I'll see what he says.

-Avery

Hey Avery, how many miles ae on the tranny since you changed the fluid? I had a 700r4 in a car once that started slipping ot the point where it almost wouldn't move. Changed the fluid and filter.. And it was back to normal... *shrug*

We had thought about doing that too. I just picked up a Haynes Repair Manual for the truck and when I saw that section I thought to myself that I have never changed it and I'm sure the p/o hadn't done it in a long time so it's worth a shot. I might just do the tc while I'm at it since it uses the same ATF.

-Avery

Where in NW PA are you?
I have a farm between Meadville and Titusville about 35mi.south of Erie, Pa.

[/QUOTE] Just spending and spending on 700/60e's seems like a refusal to accept the obvious better choices.[/QUOTE]

It's not a matter of not accepting the obvious, as I appreciate what your saying and your impute. I guess I should of explained this in the first post:

I was going to put a 465 in it, but my wife is starting to play with it too, and the slush box is easier for her to handle. It's a built carburated BBC out of a 69 Chevelle so I don't have any computer linkup's or controls on it at all. I don't know how that would work with the 80E which is computer controled. I would like to keep the low gearing for offroad use and the overdrive for on road. I already have everything setup for the 700r4 including an underdrive box, sure would hate to have to scap everything and start all over. That's why I was looking for people that are using them with some degree of success and info as to what it would take.

Once again I appreciate everyones input and suggestions. I'd post pics, but I'm sure everyones seen a scrap 700r4 sittin in the middle of the garage floor surrounded by empty beer cans before. Not a pretty picture or much to see.

Give up on the light duty Chevies and go with an Allison. I have an extra 540 4 speed. VERY HD and it will bolt right up

Give up on the light duty Chevies and go with an Allison. I have an extra 540 4 speed. VERY HD and it will bolt right up
How much ?

What did it come out of ?

Maybe a better question would be, "What components and mods make the best 700? " They have now been around for over 20 years and I would be surprised if there are any secrets left on how to build them among the hardcore trans builders. It seems like every town or city has a tranny guru of the day who has all kinds of special secrets to building them that no one else knows about it. There seems to be more myths, secrets, and misinformation about them than about any other common popular component.

How much ?

What did it come out of ?
Came out of a chevy C60 dump truck.
$250 in good condition

I can take a pic of it in the morning ifv you need.

Came out of a chevy C60 dump truck.
$250 in good condition

I can take a pic of it in the morning ifv you need.
Pics and spline count would be nice :)

Heck yeah it would be nice to see. Why so cheap?

-Avery

The Allison came out of a 78 C30 dump with a 366 tall block, so it should bolt up to any Chevy engine. I got it for $250 for a spare and don't need it any more. 32 spline

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3926/ebay003dm7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8610/ebay004og6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Don't change your tranny man, I too had problems blowing up 700s and i listened to a dumbass that recomended i went to a th400. don't get me wrong, the Turbo Hydramatic 400 is basically bullet proof but its too heavy on the enine, it robs about 50 more horses to run than the lighter rinnung 700. Not to mention that you loose a gear. if your vehicle is highway worthy u'll regret to lose the 4th gear. reving up to 3300 rpms to go about 75mph. over wearing your motor and killing your gas. Another downside is that you have to drill your frame to space back your tranny xmember or having to buy a 400 cross member.. I addition you will have to Shorten your drive shaft 2 to 3 inches (about $180for cut and balance at shop) and you will also need a new spline (32) you may also need to change other sh*t to addapt to rear end if you go buy a 400 driveshaft set up at a junk yard.. Your linkage will not line up on your colum too unless you do yet more work there..... hmmm.. i'm sure i'm missing a few more things that i had to do.

Just click here and buy the last transmission for you vehicle. this guy garanties his $1300 trannys for one yr upt to 500hp and 450 ft/lbs or $1600 for $1600 for 700hp and 650 ft. lbs if you got a fire breathing machine.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GM-700R4-PUNISHER-700R4-FREE-SHIP-CONVERTER-COOLER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33727QQihZ013QQi temZ230010487604QQrdZ1

I hope my suggestion is of some help, keep in mind i'm only a guy with little experience and i would strongly advice you do your homework so you don't end up making a mistake like the one i made ending up with a set up i didn't want just because i listened to some morron. Have a good day.

sounds like an honest man... but why the pic of a T-350 in a 700r4 auction? :smokin:

50hp on top of what a 60e/700 robs, yea, ok:laughing:

$180 for a cut and balance, stop going to shops that rip you off, its a 20 minute job. They did it while I waited last time.

Hence the exageration IMO, not to mention the horrible chore that is made out to be in drilling holes or sourcing parts for what is in essence a drivetrain redesign.

Oh and I weighed the 80e and 60e, both with converters in and t-case adaptors attached, but no t-cases. The 80e came in at 240 lbs, but the 60e came in at 185lbs. The 80e is all of 55lbs heavier and that includes the large capacity pan I have on the 80e, with stock to stock parts, the gap would be in the 45-50lb range. Just needed to end that myth.

I can vouch for Bowtie Overdrives in Hesperia, CA...had my 700R4 in the k5 for about 7 years now since they went through it...no problems, still running great. One thing I would change next time is to avoid the "performance shifting" part...yeah, it helps the tranny live longer, but man it can be brutal sometimes on part throttle and sudden let off shifts! My odometer doesn't work right, but I would guess I have put 50-60,000 miles on it now? All with 35s, 38s and now 42s on the truck, 4.56 gears (soon to be 5.38s I hope!) Deep pan, big cooler (with fan), gauge, etc...

www.rosslertrans.com

built several for me including a 700

(he also does all of them for lingenfelter performance)

This place has alot of info and parts. Never heard any first hand experience though.
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/highperf700r4.htm
Don builds awesome stuff, I've run one of his th400's and my neighboor is running his 700e Raptor (level3 4l60e). Zero problems.

Don builds awesome stuff, I've run one of his th400's and my neighboor is running his 700e Raptor (level3 4l60e). Zero problems.

Bless you then...

I had two of his transmissions, both of which failed. Another friend went through 6 of them I believe. He got his money back and got an Art Carr and never looked back. I swapped to a SM465... All of them were raptors:shaking:

www.rosslertrans.com

built several for me including a 700

(he also does all of them for lingenfelter performance)


Last time I was in Rosslers, there was a big work order on the counter for Lingenfelter!! :grinpimp:

We've had about 5-6 of their trannies(all different vehicles) without any problems. 2-3 of them were in off-road trucks/blazers... And one was behind a strong injected 383...

Bless you then...

I had two of his transmissions, both of which failed. Another friend went through 6 of them I believe. He got his money back and got an Art Carr and never looked back. I swapped to a SM465... All of them were raptors:shaking:
Wow...that's the first I've heard from anyone who had an issue with them. Guess it's still a crapshoot on tranny shops even if they've done well in the past.

Wow...that's the first I've heard from anyone who had an issue with them. Guess it's still a crapshoot on tranny shops even if they've done well in the past.

If you need more horror stories go search on CK5. There are plenty on there. This was a couple of years ago, I had the raptor in 02. It was in a blazer with a stock 350TBI on 35" tires. I had the largest stacked plate B&M transmission cooler with a temp gauge and an extra quart pan.

Get ahold of Stephen at ORD, and find out what r4 he runs behind his 504 BBC.

John

Get ahold of Stephen at ORD, and find out what r4 he runs behind his 504 BBC.

John

Thanks, that's what I'm looking for. Someone who has one in a 4 wheel drive and is hammering it with horses and torque. There's alot of difference between drag racing with one and what we do to them.

Thanks, that's what I'm looking for. Someone who has one in a 4 wheel drive and is hammering it with horses and torque. There's alot of difference between drag racing with one and what we do to them.

Let us all know when you find out what he is running if ya' don't mind.


-Avery

Let us all know when you find out what he is running if ya' don't mind.


-Avery

Just called steven at ORD (Great guy- friendly & helpful :beer:) he said they had a local guy build his and an 80e for them. Only problem is, the guys moving to Costa Ricca, so he's out a tranny builder too.
As far as what's in it, just the usaul upgrades. 5 pin planitary, 10 or 13 vain pump, manual shift valve body, constant pressure, reverse shift pattern, ect.... He said he's had it about a year, but he's starting to worry about it, as he likes the skinny pedal too.