What year rover V8s fit the series transmission? I've found a V8 out of a 1991 RRC for an extremely reasonable price.

Thanks.

None of them will bolt up to the Series... The V8 is the Small block BOP patten.

Lots of adapters available though, I just saw one in a recent LRM advert.

If you do it, lemme know, I'll pack up the rest of the trannies I have :flipoff2:

I think Richard is doing the same currently. I think he's RPR on here - maybe he'll add to the discussion, or make an offer to PT for his pile of scrap tranny's....

that's not strictly true though.

The Stage 1 V8 was a series 3 but with much stronger axle internals and 3.54 diffs. It ran a fours speed LT95 box- same as early rangies and 101s as well as double cardon front prop. The axles are konwn to be one of the strongest that Land rover produced (which isn't saying much mind). They are lovely vehicles- much more powerful than any other standard series and much much more reliable

I have one of these vehicles in my yard waiting to be finished if you are interested in buying it (in pieces unfortunately!)- it has been in my family almost 15 years and i have been restored or replaced almost all of the vehicle over the past 3 years. I am very very sad to find that i just don't have the time to finish it. I'm sure i could ship it to the US!

The Stage 1...... Now your being particular...

We see a lot of those... 101's as well... But we have a pretty good supply of LT95s out of RRC's PM JCROVER here on Pirate, he should have one.. And it should work in a Series.

I'm not sure why one would want to use a Series transmission for anything other than perhaps a 3.5l.. I've broken Series 2A boxes with a 2.5 GM motor.

"I have one of these vehicles in my yard waiting to be finished"
I feel your pain.. My 109 sits in storage waiting for me to finish it... I'd love a Stage 1 to add to that collection... If I only had time...

Lots of adapters available though, I just saw one in a recent LRM advert.

If you do it, lemme know, I'll pack up the rest of the trannies I have :flipoff2:

Thinking I am gonna pop the transmission!!?? Please... :laughing:

Now what is this Small Block BOP pattern you speak of!!?? I have been tinkering with the idea of just replacing the entire engine, transmission and transfer case. That would be quite interesting...

Now what is this Small Block BOP pattern you speak of!!??

Buick
Olds
Pontiac

Thinking I am gonna pop the transmission!!?? Please... :laughing:


Put anything bigger than a 3.5 in front of and yes, I do think you'll be popping trannies:flipoff2:

Now, does a LT95 bolt to a 200tdi?? I have a '60 SerII that I was going to put a SerIII trans and 200tdi, but I have cheap access to a LT95 so I may go that route...Also, I am not sure if the LT95 has a PTO out put???? I wanna run a Hyd. pump/winch...

Letting my mind wonder...

NT

LT95s were only setup for V8s, not (LR) diesels.

What year rover V8s fit the series transmission? I've found a V8 out of a 1991 RRC for an extremely reasonable price.

Thanks.

Many different types of engines have been adapted to Series transmissions over the decades, but really the main transmissions aren't up to much. If you can accomodate the length then the LT95, or LT85 with LT230 T/case are as strong as Rover transmissions ever got. If you have a SWB then a Warner T98 or ten spline New Process 435 granny box can be reasonably easy to adapt to the Series T/case, and will outlast the truck.
Bill.

I think Richard is doing the same currently. I think he's RPR on here - maybe he'll add to the discussion, or make an offer to PT for his pile of scrap tranny's....

yup........he's having a V-8. A well used but well maintained 3.5 with Edlebrock 4bbl etc (out of my '82 RRC 2 door thats getting a 300Tdi). Using an adaptor plate by Milner conversions sourced through www.jakewright.com

alternatively buy this :
LR4x4 Forum (http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=7156)

see if you can get a 2B FC box, it has bigger shafts and I don't know anyone who has ever broke one..........but you won't go anywhere quick

I've got an early classic that has the LT95 I believe. It's going to be parted out eventually, as it's going to be made up into a rock crawler buggy.

None of them will bolt up to the Series... The V8 is the Small block BOP patten.

So who's seen a BOP transplant into a Rover?Seems like a cheap way to replace a dead engine.A 350 Buick has tons of off-idle throttle response,If one will fit in place of a 3.5 it'd make a helluva swap.

It's been too long since I've had a BOP engine out to remember what the bolt pattern is on the bellhousing,I can mentally picture a SBC or SB Ford,just not a Buick/Olds/Pontiac

http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofjet.htm

see if you can get a 2B FC box, it has bigger shafts and I don't know anyone who has ever broke one..........but you won't go anywhere quick

I have been through this a couple of weeks ago on another forum.
Series 2B FC gearboxes do not have bigger shafts. Not where it matters anyway. Internally they are identical to series 2A suffix C,D,E and F Boxes.
The only difference is that the mainshaft is longer, relocating the mainshaft gear for the transfercase further back and further away from the gearbox rear mainshaft ball bearing, therefore a larger diameter tail roller bearing journal was used together with a larger roller bearing and different PTO coverplate.
The gearbox is not stronger as it does not address the design faults of the series boxes, that is that the diameter of the mainshaft and layshaft is too small in relation to the distance between the front and rear bearings. This causes both shafts to flex and deflect away from each other under load. This constant flexing causes the layshaft to eventually fatigue and break in the area of 2nd gear, and on trucks that do any sort of heavy work this is a common failing. The situation can be improved somewhat by modifying a scrap series 3 cluster gear by grinding off the 1st and reverse gear teeth and resplining the shaft to accept the series 2A press on 1st gear. This mod addresses the layshaft flexing problem but obviously does nothing for the mainshaft.
Bill.

Bill, I bow down to your knowledge, it must be the best part of 20 years since I last pulled a fc box to bit, was sure that shafts were bigger, but if not I can'a think for the life of me why they were so much in demand. I still have one in the old trials motor (sittting rusting for .......... ages, slipped discs and leafs off road don't mix very well) and I don't remember anyone breaking one but at that time here in the UK 3.5's on SU's were about as big as anyone went.
cheers.

Bill, I bow down to your knowledge, it must be the best part of 20 years since I last pulled a fc box to bit, was sure that shafts were bigger, but if not I can'a think for the life of me why they were so much in demand. I still have one in the old trials motor (sittting rusting for .......... ages, slipped discs and leafs off road don't mix very well) and I don't remember anyone breaking one but at that time here in the UK 3.5's on SU's were about as big as anyone went.
cheers.

I am not sure why they would be in high demand Richard. Maybe the lower transfer case ratios (1.53:1 high 3.27:1 low range) , or the claimed shift on the fly ability may have suited trialing better than standard t/cases. I did have one myself a few years ago but the tooth profile in low range looked a bit fragile to me so I opted to fit a crawler box instead.
Bill.

The NP435 sounds pretty sweet. I looked at the gear ratios and they are pretty nice.

But at that point, I might as well look into some other sort of powerplant other than the rover V8.

Thanks for the link for the adapter kit. I am thinking I might procure a 3.9 and then detune it. The 3.9s are quite plenty and have nice fuel injectionness but still have a distributor.

I was always under the impression that the 215 used a unique non BOP pattern? I've never had the two side by side nor given it much thought until this thread emerged... If it is BOP that would open up some interesting options, some that I would have expected people would have explored by now.

http://members.shaw.ca/betterthanyoutoo/bellhousing/BOP_BP.gif

The 215 is definitely a non BOP boltpattern, not has it ever been as far as I know. I've seen the 2 and they are not even close. The 215 uses 8 bell housing bolts, and the BOP uses 6 (I believe).
My employee had a buick 350 he was hopping to put infront of a ZF trans, but the pattern is incorrect.

"The V8 is the Small block BOP patten"
215/300/340

"The V8 is the Small block BOP patten"
215/300/340

Which IIRC is not the same as the 350/400/455, right ?

that's not strictly true though.

The Stage 1 V8 was a series 3 but with much stronger axle internals and 3.54 diffs. It ran a fours speed LT95 box- same as early rangies and 101s as well as double cardon front prop. The axles are konwn to be one of the strongest that Land rover produced (which isn't saying much mind). They are lovely vehicles- much more powerful than any other standard series and much much more reliable


The question was will aRover v-8 mate to a Series tranny. And by your response I would take this to mean NO you cant mate a Rover V-8 to a Series tranny.

The stage 1 ran a sals rear, but other wise had a standard Rover front end with a higher gear set. The only one I ever saw had plain old 10 spline shafts.

Which IIRC is not the same as the 350/400/455, right ?

Correct, BOP= Buick/Olds/Pontiac.
I never did read the histroy/reason for this but Chevy and GMC use a different bolt pattern then BOP.

350/400/455 Yup dems da Big Blocks...

I know there was a reason that BOP is different than a stadard Cheby, I just can't remember...

350/400/455 Yup dems da Big Blocks...

I know there was a reason that BOP is different than a stadard Cheby, I just can't remember...

Probably along the same lines as why you cant bolt a Rover V-8 to a Series tranny :laughing:

Ok so then a 215/3.5/3.9 etc will go anywhere a 225 odd fire V6 went and can utilize the same conversions as used in the early Jeep CJ5 crowd. So witha series you could utilize that route. I always thought the lightweight Rover V8 would be interesting in a flat fender Cj2a or Cj3b as well...

The question was will aRover v-8 mate to a Series tranny. And by your response I would take this to mean NO you cant mate a Rover V-8 to a Series tranny.

The stage 1 ran a sals rear, but other wise had a standard Rover front end with a higher gear set. The only one I ever saw had plain old 10 spline shafts.

Adaptor flywheel housings to bolt Rover V8's to series 1, 2 and 3 ,
4 cyl and 6 cylinder transmissions have been available in Britain and OZ for over 30 years. But that does not mean it is a good idea. Most people when they put more power into a Series vehicle also decide the want better cruising ability, so they fit either RangeRover diffs or a high ratio transfercase conversion. Either system places too much strain on the poor old Series main box. You have more thrust up front and more resistance out back in the form of high diffs etc, and the box has to be the link between them.


Stage 1 front ends have 10 spline 2 pinion 3.54 Rover diffs, with 10/23/24 spline Birfield jointed axles. The axle housing is set up to tilt the diff pinion up higher than standard series front ends. The hubs use different bearings and seals (same as RangeRover) the spindles are different, with a bronze bushing to support the Birfield. The swivel balls are also slightly different in that they space the swivel bearings and Railko Bushing further apart to clear the Birfield. The Railko bush and pin is shorter but of slightly larger diameter.
Due to the limited steering angleof 26 degrees Stage 1's even with big engines and large tyres rarely break birfields even when abused.
Bill.

somewhat related?

will Toy IFS steering box work OK using a Rover ('82 RRC) PAS pump, (pressure,flow & etc.) assuming (naturally) that all the pipework is adapted correctly?

RPR's Tonka series III has a fitted Toy power steering conversion and is now getting a Rover V8 lump wedged into it.

somewhat related?

will Toy IFS steering box work OK using a Rover ('82 RRC) PAS pump, (pressure,flow & etc.) assuming (naturally) that all the pipework is adapted correctly?

RPR's Tonka series III has a fitted Toy power steering conversion and is now getting a Rover V8 lump wedged into it.

The Rover PS pump works well in conjunction with Toyota Landcruiser PS box so I would guess it'd probably be ok with the Cressida ? box. Can you fit a LandCruiser box while you're at it?
Bill.

Now, does a LT95 bolt to a 200tdi?? I have a '60 SerII that I was going to put a SerIII trans and 200tdi, but I have cheap access to a LT95 so I may go that route...Also, I am not sure if the LT95 has a PTO out put???? I wanna run a Hyd. pump/winch...

Letting my mind wonder...

NT


Zeus (http://www.zeus.uk.com/land-rover.php) here in the UK used to do an LT95 to Tdi bellhousing, not sure if they still do, but another company has really started to take off, Rakeway (http://www.rakeway.com/bell_housing.htm) they make decent strong R380 equivalent boxes (mucho denera though!) and also shafts, CV's and, as the link shows, bellhousings.
They're getting a good reputation over here.

The Rover PS pump works well in conjunction with Toyota Landcruiser PS box so I would guess it'd probably be ok with the Cressida ? box. Can you fit a LandCruiser box while you're at it?
Bill.

Bill, thanks for that. I'm not sure which box was fitted in the conversion but it looks to me like an IFS pickup (Hilux) unit. I'll give it a go and see what happens.......

The question was will aRover v-8 mate to a Series tranny. And by your response I would take this to mean NO you cant mate a Rover V-8 to a Series tranny.

The stage 1 ran a sals rear, but other wise had a standard Rover front end with a higher gear set. The only one I ever saw had plain old 10 spline shafts.

sorry- you can definitely mate a V8 to a series tranny- see the link i put up of the conversion plate. It's just a really bad idea.

you can probably pick up a pair of stage 1 axles and an LT95 in the UK for about 350 quid. rear props are quite common although fronts are rarer- being double cardan.

you can probably pick up a pair of stage 1 axles and an LT95 in the UK for about 350 quid. rear props are quite common although fronts are rarer- being double cardan.

I run a complete Stage 1 front in my 109" IIA with the stock IIA front prop. Never had any vibration problems.

I run a complete Stage 1 front in my 109" IIA with the stock IIA front prop. Never had any vibration problems.

I have found that on Stage 1 V8's, replacing the double Carden with a single Hooke joint to be a satisfactory repair, but vibration was more noticable on the Isuzu variants. Perhaps out of phasing, like on coil sprung models might have cured that, but I have never tried it.
Bill.

I have found that on Stage 1 V8's, replacing the double Carden with a single Hooke joint to be a satisfactory repair, but vibration was more noticable on the Isuzu variants. Perhaps out of phasing, like on coil sprung models might have cured that, but I have never tried it.
Bill.

I am pretty sure mine is out of phase - but by accident, not on purpose. It may be possible that I might be driving it past your place in a couple of months. I can stop in and give you a test drive. It is a 2.25D though, not an ISUZU.