Would you do business with a comapny that had a "no weapons" sign on the door?

[PTSchram]

I was in one of my banks yesterday when I saw a sign indicating they have a no weapons (guns, knives, etc) policy...

I of course inquired about how they were going to protect me once I left the bank after cashing a check or withdrawing funds. The only response I got was a huffy, "You can talk to the manager". My response was I've closed accounts for less.

Indiana is a pretty gun-friendly state. To my knowledge, we don't have a law if you hav a sign up and violate the sign, you can lose your license.

if this wasn't the business account and I need it to be at that bank, I would have closed the account. For now, I'll either do all of my banking form outside, or ignore the sign.

Your all's thoughts?

PT

[Soundguy]

I've only seen those around schools and bars here in Texas, maybe I'm just not paying attention at the bank.

[mike]

There's a "No Weapons" sign at both the guarded gates on the way into work.

[botiejeep]

Man thats really suprising. I would have figured all banks would want you to have guns and knives in them.

[fullygruntled]

I'd know it was safe to rob using a board with a nail in it, because nobody would have a gun to stop me.

[Pooge]

Man thats really suprising. I would have figured all banks would want you to have guns and knives in them.

:sniff: :sniff: Do i smell some half baked sarcasm? :laughing:

I can understand this from the banks point of view....ya they dont want to get robbed obviously...

BUT.... If I wishdraw 10 Large, cash, to buy a boat or something, you bet your ass I have a gun on me incase I get rolled.... which I assume is the point you where making Schram

[fullygruntled]

:sniff: :sniff: Do i smell some half baked sarcasm? :laughing:

I can understand this from the banks point of view....ya they dont want to get robbed obviously...

BUT.... If I wishdraw 10 Large, cash, to buy a boat or something, you bet your ass I have a gun on me incase I get rolled.... which I assume is the point you where making Schram
Your bank doesn't offer checking accounts? :confused:

[Deep South Cruisers]

I'd know it was safe to rob using a board with a nail in it, because nobody would have a gun to stop me.


I prefer a stick with a nail but i get your point :laughing:

[mike]

Acutally I go to costco all the time and they have a no weapons sign. Strangely enough, I've never seen them try to enforce it.

[misterfubar]

I was in one of my banks yesterday when I saw a sign indicating they have a no weapons (guns, knives, etc) policy...

I've never felt the need to carry a gun at home so it doesn't really bother me much. In fact, I've been carrying an M4 slung across my back for almost a year now and I haven't even fired it once in that time. :D

[PTSchram]

Your bank doesn't offer checking accounts? :confused:
I don't accept checks for vehicle purchases, nor anything else over a few thousand.

If they don't want me exercising my RIGHTS, I will exercise my right to do business elsewhere.

I find the argument about liquor stores or taverns very foolish. Here we have a business that is primarily cash-based, yet the protections are non-existent for the law-abiding. There is a liquor store in Fort Wayne that folks just don't rob. The last time someone attempted, four of the five people in the liquor store shot the assailant!

PT

[SharonLyn]

I work in a credit union and even I think it is a stupid sign. Unless they have someone standing guard and/or use a metal detector how the fawk are they going to know. Plus how many people carry a knife in their pocked, what are they suppose to do leave it at the door. Dumb sign!

I can understand they are trying to "protect" their employees but a sign is useless unless enforced. Living in Cali if there is a weapon in line and it is not on a cop we do have a problem though. I have had off duty cops/plain clothes cops scare the crap out of the tellers - but that is part of the business we are in.

Your bank needs to rethink that stupid sign - unless of course they plan on enforcing it.

[Oxjockey]

If they don't want me exercising my RIGHTS, I will exercise my right to do business elsewhere.

PT

But when they exercise their right to have no concealed weapons on their premises, that's not OK? ;)

[mike]

Oh! The other place I go where I can't have a *loaded* weapon is the gun store :laughing:

[ironpig70]

www.packing.org


Date updated: Jul 28, 2005 @ 7:24 pm

In or On School Property.
On A School Bus.
In or On Property That Is Being Used By A School For A School Function.
Private School (IC 20-9.1-1-3) & (IC 35-41-1-24.7).
Head Start (IC 35-41-1-24.7
Preschool (IC 35-41-1-24.7).
IC 35-47-9-1 Allows the carry of firearms by persons permitted to possess and who are transporting a person to or from school or a school function.
On an Aircraft.
Controlled Access Areas Of An Airport
A Riverboat Casino.
During Annual State Fair 80 IAC 4-4-4 (Must lock in Vehicle.)
Shipping Port 130 IAC 4-1-8 (Controlled by the Indiana Port Commission)


these are all areas that you MAY NOT CARRY in indiana. bank however is not listed and if you carry concealed they would never know.

[mike]

I wonder if IN law states that you cannot carry anyplace that makes a reasonable request not to

[PTSchram]

But when they exercise their right to have no concealed weapons on their premises, that's not OK? ;)

I have a right to bitch and find a different bank!

[CaryW]

Just get the 9,999.00 large and write me a check for a dolla, that stupid IRS form and letter is a pain in the ass.

[bigun]

Anything you can pick up and use as a club is a weapon so there for they need to get rid of the posts you have to between while in line.

[fullygruntled]

Anything you can pick up and use as a club is a weapon so there for they need to get rid of the posts you have to between while in line.

It also means that somebody like Chuck Norris or Hooper could never bank there, even while naked.

[Deranged]

I dont know about your state, but in Texas, unless the sign posted is the official sign in the official size, you can ignore any other notices. That one sign, when displayed properly on every entrance to a building is enforcible by law. Any other signs are merely company policies. They could get you kicked out of the building if the company chooses to enforce it, but no legal ramifications can occur. This is of course assuming you're licenced to carry.

[CaryW]

During Annual State Fair 80 IAC 4-4-4 (Must lock in Vehicle.):D :D


Damn, what good is a State Fair if you cant go shoot the freaks, and waive your Magnum at the guy trying to get you to win your pretty lady the fancy bear!

[Oxjockey]

I have a right to bitch and find a different bank!

Of course! :laughing:

Would you mind so much if it was a normal store, maybe one where you weren't concerned about walking around with so much cash?

The only store I've ever seen that had a sign was Cabella's, but they sell weapons on site... (I never made the connection til Mike's post)

[CaryW]

Hospitals have the regulation signs posted at all legal entrances. Again, who would know.

[PTSchram]

Of course! :laughing:

Would you mind so much if it was a normal store, maybe one where you weren't concerned about walking around with so much cash?

The only store I've ever seen that had a sign was Cabella's, but they sell weapons on site... (I never made the connection til Mike's post)

Gander Mountain has a sign prominently displayed in the front doors that states that licensed folks are welcome in their stores!

I have bought many firearms in Wal-Mart and have found it hilarious that they have to carry the gun to the front door so you don't whip it out and shoot someone-what about the revolver in my pocket?

[mike]

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

This is stupid. Then again, I'd think pulling a weapon out in a store filled with employees that are carrying would be stupid too.

[ecrist]

The company I work at has a "No Weapons Allowed" sign at every door.

The reason goes back about 6 years. There was this dumbass that worked here at the time. He had a pistol he was going to sell to a co-worker. So on their break they go out to the dude's car in the parking lot to check it out. Dumbass #1 leaves the gun loaded and somehow the gun gets dropped, goes off and shoots the guy in the foot. :laughing: :laughing:

The signs went up the next week.

Funny though...a few years ago we were having massive layoffs. And the signs didn't seem to apply to the two armed guards that accompanied our CEO everywhere he went.

[brector]

So wtf are you bitching about???

[fledgling666]

why are so many people in here so touchy-feely about where they do business. i don't care. i go where either the price is cheapest or the service is best. if my fast food joint has nothing but retards working there, but the burgers rock, i'm still hitting that drive-thru. if the tools they sell aren't made in America, but they're the biggest bang for my low budget, fuck it, i'm still getting my tools there, even if i have to wait in line for the slow as molasses cashiers and EVEN IF I CAN'T CARRY A GUN INTO THE STORE......OR BANK........OR WHATEVER THE FUCK.

[ScottFJ40]

I don't accept checks for vehicle purchases, nor anything else over a few thousand.

If they don't want me exercising my RIGHTS, I will exercise my right to do business elsewhere.

I find the argument about liquor stores or taverns very foolish. Here we have a business that is primarily cash-based, yet the protections are non-existent for the law-abiding. There is a liquor store in Fort Wayne that folks just don't rob. The last time someone attempted, four of the five people in the liquor store shot the assailant!

PT
Ever heard of cashiers checks or bank checks?

[Erich In AZ]

Our bank now requires you take off a hat, sunglasses, etc. just to go inside. :shaking: It pisses me off every time, but I haven't really looked for the no weapons sign yet. I haven't been there since I got my CCW. We can carry in a liquor store, but not anywhere that sells alcohol for consumption on property. That leaves out Pizza Hut, the Chinese food restaurant by the house, etc. That's just dumb to me. There should be an exclusion based in the class of liquor license.

I do carry at church though. ;)

I won't carry in a place with a sign up regardless of what some of the others say. If people start thinking that way and start getting busted for it, I can see things going south for the CCW programs. I prefer to follow the rules and not screw it up for others

[Keith Armstrong]

Ummm, what, they don't have a drive up window ?

[indulf]

one of my bank's branches in atlanta has a metal detector at the door and 2 armed guards. im guessing they've been knocked off a few times :confused:

who goes to the bank anymore anyway? :flipoff2:

[The Joker]

I think I would have a problem with that also since the bank I do business at has bullet proof glass across all the tellers to protect them. However, there is nothing to protect the customers should some dumb ass try to rob the bank that he can't get to the tellers at.

Once again if you stop the law abiding from carrying only the criminals will be.

[Bubba Ray Boudreaux]

We've got an utilities company down the road here that has one of those signs on the front door. Pretty fawking stupid since this is OK and we hand out concealed permits like candy.

For me personally, if I have a choice, I wouldn't do business with them. Even though I'm exempt, I do respect their right as a private company to have whatever policy they want, I just don't have to agree with it.

Besides, most of the time it isn't going to be the nice citizen who is permitted and doing everything by the law that is going to go inside and start blasting away.................................

[Crawlin120:1]

It really pissed me off yesterday when I was wasting my $3.00 gal fuel looking for a bank to rob that didn't have one of those signs!

These signs are ridiculous. If it's a store or bank or anything not regulated by state or fed's I just carry. If I end up need to use it then we will deal with that issue after the smoke has cleare.

[surveyboy]

:sniff: :sniff: Do i smell some half baked sarcasm? :laughing:

I can understand this from the banks point of view....ya they dont want to get robbed obviously...

BUT.... If I wishdraw 10 Large, cash, to buy a boat or something, you bet your ass I have a gun on me incase I get rolled.... which I assume is the point you where making Schram
well, they didn't say that you couldn't have a gun in your car dumbass. all that they ask is that you don't bring it inside. and if your worried about getting robbed between the bank door and the car, i'm sure you could ask if the bank guard will stand at the door or walk with you to your car so you make it safe.

[Intrepidyota]

I like that they have the sign, anyone who would pay attention to it is not someone that would rob a bank anyway. If you plan to rob a bank are you concerned about the extra fine you might incur by carrying a gun into said bank?!? Maybe they should just have a sign that says, "DON'T ROB THIS BANK OR HARM ANYONE IN HERE." It should work just as well. All they are doing is insuring that if they do get robbed, noone has any means to protect themselves. :shaking:

[Tim84K10]

But when they exercise their right to have no concealed weapons on their premises, that's not OK? ;)

They don't have that right in Indiana. They can ask you to leave if they know you're carrying, but a sign like that doesn't mean shit in Indiana.

The answer to your question is that it depends on what state you're in. If I was in Indiana, I would just ignore that sign and keep on walking....concealed is concealed.

[tacoma73]

and if your worried about getting robbed between the bank door and the car, i'm sure you could ask if the bank guard will stand at the door or walk with you to your car so you make it safe.


Fine if he's going OUT of the bank, but what about big DEPOSITS??? then what? yell out the window to the guard inside the bank, "hey man! come escort me in!" that'll work great. :shaking:

Here in UT people are allowed to post signs but the penalty for disobeying is minimal at best. In OH, where I frequently work, all kinds of heist-friendly places have big signs saying NO GUNS ALLOWED... pizza places, check cashing places, stuff like that. The answer is always the same, we just don't want guns here... never mind that you're advertising your lack of defenses. As to what they have to fear from law-abiding gun owners, there is never any response to that.

anyway. Common sense isn't that common I guess.

[MudzerK5]

This thread is stupid. Common Sense is lacking in the US these days and is the reason for our downfall. :flipoff2:

[surveyboy]

Fine if he's going OUT of the bank, but what about big DEPOSITS??? then what? yell out the window to the guard inside the bank, "hey man! come escort me in!" that'll work great. :shaking:

Here in UT people are allowed to post signs but the penalty for disobeying is minimal at best. In OH, where I frequently work, all kinds of heist-friendly places have big signs saying NO GUNS ALLOWED... pizza places, check cashing places, stuff like that. The answer is always the same, we just don't want guns here... never mind that you're advertising your lack of defenses. As to what they have to fear from law-abiding gun owners, there is never any response to that.

anyway. Common sense isn't that common I guess.
what about some some fawking common sense between the parking lot and the bank door dumbass. i mean come awn. you park what 100' away from the door and walk in. if you're to stupid to notice the creepy looking dood walking around the parking lot looking to rob people then you deserve it. unless you're fawking carrying a gawd damn sign saying "i've got a huge deposit with me' nobody knows what the hell you've got.

fawking parinod fawkers around here. :rolleyes:

[tacoma73]

yup, you're right. All criminals are creepy looking!

no problem then. :shaking:

[The Joker]

Maybe we can just get the criminals to carry signs that will make it a lot easier.

[tacoma73]

just look for the creepy guy, that ought to be sign enough, you paranoid freak.

[Tim84K10]

what about some some fawking common sense between the parking lot and the bank door dumbass. i mean come awn. you park what 100' away from the door and walk in. if you're to stupid to notice the creepy looking dood walking around the parking lot looking to rob people then you deserve it. unless you're fawking carrying a gawd damn sign saying "i've got a huge deposit with me' nobody knows what the hell you've got.

fawking parinod fawkers around here. :rolleyes:

So if I carry a gun everywhere that I go, why shouldn't I carry it to the bank?

[Road Head]

Cant have a gun in a liquor store, but I still go buy liquor. Then again, I dont own a gun, nor have ever even shot a gun, so a "no weapons" policy doesnt really bother me at all.

[surveyboy]

yup, you're right. All criminals are creepy looking!

no problem then. :shaking:
don't be dumb, do you really think if you are such a billy bad ass that would shoot someone to keep from getting robbed you at least wouldn't have some sort of 'awareness' of WHO might rob you??

i mean if a geek in a 3 peice suit is in the parking lot, its doubtfull that he's gonn a rob you. however if there is a group of 2-3 males milling around, don't you think that you'd be more apt to watch them a bit closer???

[tacoma73]

I wouldn't shoot someone to keep from getting robbed, I'd shoot them to keep from being killed-- if I had the chance.
yeah, I'd watch groups milling around the bank parking lot a lot closer. I've had guns pulled on me and it wasn't always by people I would suspect.

Point here is that if criminals KNOW that no one can be armed they are going to feel a lot safer, which is exactly the opposite of how it should be.

[Diesel Smoke]

I carry my Leatherman with me everywhere, even places with "no weapons" signs on the door. I have only ever been asked once to "remove my knife and leave it in my car, didn't you see the sign?" My response was "This isn't a weapon it's a tool." And I went on my marry way. Hell when I was in high school I carried it most days.

[surveyboy]

I wouldn't shoot someone to keep from getting robbed, I'd shoot them to keep from being killed-- if I had the chance.
yeah, I'd watch groups milling around the bank parking lot a lot closer. I've had guns pulled on me and it wasn't always by people I would suspect.

Point here is that if criminals KNOW that no one can be armed they are going to feel a lot safer, which is exactly the opposite of how it should be.
so because of this sign, all the criminals are now gonna hang out in the parking lot and start robbing every tom, dick and harry that's going to it. because as you say, its safe after all now since none of them are armed.

do you think they will kinda have a work scheudal for all the crimials?? you know, let one work the morning shift, and maybe have 2 durning the lunch shift since it gets busy and on guy wouldn't be able to handle them all and them maybe like 4 or 5 guys to work evenings and thrusday and friday to cover weekend people??

or would it be kinda a free for all, and you'd get robbed by like 7 people all at the same time and they would have to fight for it themselves after they beat you to a pulp???

[tacoma73]

uh, that's not what the implication is at all. The implication is that Criminal A scopes out banks to rob, sees a big sign saying NO WEAPONS ALLOWED, and, emboldened by the clearly stated LACK OF DEFENSE, puts that bank higher on the list of banks to rob.
Compare to a bank that may or may not have armed patrons inside, outside, wherever.
I'm not saying that banks are even dangerous places to go!!! just that a bank/pizza shop/whatever that has a sign saying no guns allowed is making it known to criminal elements that they will probably have the upper hand if they want to waltz on in and rob the place.

[surlynkid]

I've only seen those around schools and bars here in Texas, maybe I'm just not paying attention at the bank.

in texas, you are taught all of the off-limits places during the CHL class. that includes schools, 51% places, etc. other than that, they must post the 30.06 sign.

[apeters89]

I will absolutely refuse to shop at a place that tells me that I can't carry.

I have done this at the Kawasaki dealer here in Lubbock, even though their sign is located 50 ft INSIDE the door, is on a 4 x 6 piece of paper with 1/2" letters (this BTW is nowhere close to the legal sign or placement)

[Slowerthanu]

what about some some fawking common sense between the parking lot and the bank door dumbass. i mean come awn. you park what 100' away from the door and walk in. if you're to stupid to notice the creepy looking dood walking around the parking lot looking to rob people then you deserve it. unless you're fawking carrying a gawd damn sign saying "i've got a huge deposit with me' nobody knows what the hell you've got.

fawking parinod fawkers around here. :rolleyes:

You don't live in reality.

NOT ALL CRIMINALS ARE CREEPY LOOKING!!!

I arrested a 67 year old man with NO priors for bank robbery. He looked more like asweet old grandfather than a criminal.

Pull your head out. It aint like the movies. Music doesn't start playing and it doesn't get darker when the crime starts.

Criminals are not going to pay attention to a "No Weapons" sign, only law abiding citizens will.

Sorry if I sound rude but people like you get victimized all the time.

[Slowerthanu]

don't be dumb, do you really think if you are such a billy bad ass that would shoot someone to keep from getting robbed you at least wouldn't have some sort of 'awareness' of WHO might rob you??

i mean if a geek in a 3 peice suit is in the parking lot, its doubtfull that he's gonn a rob you. however if there is a group of 2-3 males milling around, don't you think that you'd be more apt to watch them a bit closer???

Ignorance is bliss isn't it?

Stop taking everything on television so seriously.

I get about 3-5 Domestic violence arrests a week. Generally they are in my cities nicer upper middle class neighborhoods. Geeks in 3 piece suits.

[surveyboy]

You don't live in reality.

NOT ALL CRIMINALS ARE CREEPY LOOKING!!!

I arrested a 67 year old man with NO priors for bank robbery. He looked more like asweet old grandfather than a criminal.

Pull your head out. It aint like the movies. Music doesn't start playing and it doesn't get darker when the crime starts.

Criminals are not going to pay attention to a "No Weapons" sign, only law abiding citizens will.

Sorry if I sound rude but people like you get victimized all the time.
people like me??? someone who keeps his eyes open and aware of his suroundings???

i'll agree that everyonce in a while a crimial will suprise you in who they are. BUT, i'd be willing to bet highly that any guy that is gonna be robbing you in front of a bank is NOT gonna be a 67 year old man that looks like a sweet grandfather.

and as for being IN a bank that's getting robbed, you're a fucking idiot if you think that you carrying is gonna stop a robbery. that's a damn good way to get someone else killed. unless the robbers start looking to drop people, anyone with half a brain would let them rob the place and be on thier way and not play a fawking hero and try and save the day.

[Slowerthanu]

so because of this sign, all the criminals are now gonna hang out in the parking lot and start robbing every tom, dick and harry that's going to it. because as you say, its safe after all now since none of them are armed.

do you think they will kinda have a work scheudal for all the crimials?? you know, let one work the morning shift, and maybe have 2 durning the lunch shift since it gets busy and on guy wouldn't be able to handle them all and them maybe like 4 or 5 guys to work evenings and thrusday and friday to cover weekend people??

or would it be kinda a free for all, and you'd get robbed by like 7 people all at the same time and they would have to fight for it themselves after they beat you to a pulp???


God, you are going to think I am picking on you. Most criminals are dumb enough to get caught. Most of them are smart enough to know that the average person fears getting in trouble and generally follows the rules.

I will put it this way. When I walk into a home and see a bunch of mounts on the wall I raise my level of caution one notch higher. People who hunt generally have a decent knowledge of firearms.

Look at how many gun stores get robbed. Not many.

[Slowerthanu]

people like me??? someone who keeps his eyes open and aware of his suroundings???

i'll agree that everyonce in a while a crimial will suprise you in who they are. BUT, i'd be willing to bet highly that any guy that is gonna be robbing you in front of a bank is NOT gonna be a 67 year old man that looks like a sweet grandfather.

and as for being IN a bank that's getting robbed, you're a fucking idiot if you think that you carrying is gonna stop a robbery. that's a damn good way to get someone else killed. unless the robbers start looking to drop people, anyone with half a brain would let them rob the place and be on thier way and not play a fawking hero and try and save the day.

You are absolutely correct. I am not going to identify myself as a Police Officer or draw my weapon if all they want is money. I will let them leave and remember as many details as possible.

If they start to threaten lives I am under obligation by law to act in that persons defense. I cannot and will not let that person get injured if can help it.

I am an exception. That bank cannot tell me not to carry, State law overrides them in this case.

I would have no problem with joe schmoe with a CCW shooting a bank robber who was aggresively threatening to kill people.

[surveyboy]

God, you are going to think I am picking on you. Most criminals are dumb enough to get caught. Most of them are smart enough to know that the average person fears getting in trouble and generally follows the rules.

I will put it this way. When I walk into a home and see a bunch of mounts on the wall I raise my level of caution one notch higher. People who hunt generally have a decent knowledge of firearms.

Look at how many gun stores get robbed. Not many.
i said what you quoted as a joke to the folks that said 'if i don't carry to the bank i'm gonna get robbed' as justifcation.

what you are refering to is differnet. we're talking about criminals that would rob you IN THE PARKING LOT of a bank, I would classify those criminals VERY differently, as in a criminal that is a total fucking idiot and easily spotted from a mile away if you don't have your head up your ass, ie, a crackhead, methhead type, and not a seasoned or profesional criminal or the such, they wouldn't rob you IN FRONT OF A BANK!!!

if you're walking into a persons home, or down thier street, or in any other nieghborhood, yes criminals come in all shapes and styles. from the little old ladys that chop up there little old husbands to gangbangers.

[Whitewater]

Yes

[AthlonAJ]

What about the small business owner who carries due to depositing a significant amount of cash? Sure a person could leave it in the car when arriving at the bank but to me that's just one more risk of having it stolen with the car. Pretty stupid.

[StinkBug]

BUT.... If I wishdraw 10 Large, cash, to buy a boat or something, you bet your ass I have a gun on me incase I get rolled....


I dont know how bad your neighborhood is, but when is the last time you got robbed leaving your bank? If I'm gonna pull out $10k (and I have) I'm sure as hell not gonna just hold it in my hand, I'm gonna hide it just like I put a $20 in my pocket. I dont worry about gettin robbed for $100 when I leave the ATM, and dont worry about gettin robbed for $10k either. I guess I just live in a good area though, that and I'm not real big on guns, just not my thing.

Personally I feel uncomfortable when people around me are carrying. There are just way too many idiots that think they know how/who/when to shoot and simply dont, and I dont feel like being in the crossfire. Thats just one reason I like living in San Diego more than I liked Phoenix. There are a lot fewer guns around here, just as many idiots though.

NOTE: opinions are my own and not directed at any posters in particular. I'm all for exercising your rights, I just choose not to exercise mine.

Dallas

[Urban Wheeler]

I don't accept checks for vehicle purchases, nor anything else over a few thousand.

If they don't want me exercising my RIGHTS, I will exercise my right to do business elsewhere.

I find the argument about liquor stores or taverns very foolish. Here we have a business that is primarily cash-based, yet the protections are non-existent for the law-abiding. There is a liquor store in Fort Wayne that folks just don't rob. The last time someone attempted, four of the five people in the liquor store shot the assailant!

PT
Wildwood!!


Ever go to that one on Pontiac and South Anthony? That one can be downright scary!

[DieLucas!]

Nope, I wouldn't do business with such a company...
























































...I'd rob the company :flipoff2:

[Slowerthanu]

Here is another idea.

Conceal it so they never know you have it, that is the idea of a CCW permit.

If they ask you if you are armed you are under NO obligation to tell them unless they are Law Enforcement Officer and have identified themselves as such. In fact, I would straight lie to some bank teller.

"Are you armed sir"

"No, I hate guns, they give you AIDS"

[Screwzer2]

Personally I feel uncomfortable when people around me are carrying. There are just way too many idiots that think they know how/who/when to shoot and simply dont, and I dont feel like being in the crossfire. Thats just one reason I like living in San Diego more than I liked Phoenix. There are a lot fewer guns around here, just as many idiots though.

NOTE: opinions are my own and not directed at any posters in particular. I'm all for exercising your rights, I just choose not to exercise mine.

Dallas

Well put. As said B4, I never felt I needed to carry a gun to protect myself. To shoot harmless little critters and cans, yes.

[ABQ-TJ]

Find another bank...

I would still do business there, personally, but that's because I'm not narrow-minded and expect everyone else to cater to MY needs. I don't ONLY buy American, either. :flipoff2:

[InfantryYJ]

At the Camp Doha exchange in Kuwait, they have a "no guns" policy:rolleyes: Here it is, a major little base and you can't go in the exchange with your weapons,....I just put my little M9 in my lower back and walk around;)

[basketcasejeep]

I don't remember seeing any 'no guns' signs here other than those properties restricted directly by the state CCW program. :confused: I think banks are restricted from carry by the state here...

Now what about post offices? Can't carry in those... but you can't choose a private company to send your mail, either. Yeah, I could use a drop box or the box on my road, but then I am still supporting an organization that restricts my ability to carry. ;) Gray area? :D

[fireballv82003]

Good to know that no one will have a gun in that bank because of the sign, Whoops, maybe the only one with a gun will be a criminal.....and the law abiding, licensed gun owner will not, soooo...hope the wife of the licensed carry guy who gets killed doesn't sue the bank

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns, check out the violent crime statistics after England and Australia (to name a few) outlawed or severely restricted individual firearms ownership

[Hef]

If they don't want me armed then they don't want my business. I'm sure I'll find a competitor of theirs who will respect my constitutional rights while doing business with me.

The only way I will be unarmed is if I am bound by law. Otherwise I will carry my weapon and my MONEY somewhere else.

[CMF]

In TN, if I'm not mistaken, a specific sign must be displayed, but you cannot be prosecuted if you have to use it inside such establishment.

[rusted]

Well put. As said B4, I never felt I needed to carry a gun to protect myself. To shoot harmless little critters and cans, yes.

Most Americans shouldn't have to feel that way. That doesn't mean many don't. I suspect this has a lot to do with either your economic status or you are displaying a rare case of LIberal Idiocy.

I heard an un-named member here openly state they lived in fear in their city and avoided a lot of areas an situations in order stay safe. But, they never felt the need to carry a gun. :shaking: As long as they scurry around like timid little mice, yeah, sure, I take hiding too. But if you got kids you can't hide.

Plus you can't avoid some things. I grew up in a rough neighborhood and it was NOTHING compared to what's out there. We had a guy escape from teh jail down the street and stab his girlfriend, our neighbor, who bled all over our front lawn in the snow screaming for help.

Oh just move? Not everyone is rich or even able to move. My parents did the best they could and eventually we did move. But in the meantime, guns to feel safe? Not to feel safe, to shoot the manic who is raging around your house stabbing at his girlfriend.

I can't count the number of times I've seen or been myself, someone who has been minding their own business only to be confronted by some idiot. Any of those idiots could have been armed with a gun, I've seen a guy get stabbed in a park by people who we couldn't even see. I saw a guy get accosted by like 30 family members at a park. They beat him so bad if anyone had a gun we would have stopped it and would have been backed up by the law.

I don't know, jsut a million different examples but I don't know what kind of world you live in.

I don't NEED gun to feel safe at all times but I DEMAND the right to possess one when I need to protect my family from the never-ending stream of violent morons in the world.

[Joe_W]

in texas, you are taught all of the off-limits places during the CHL class. that includes schools, 51% places, etc. other than that, they must post the 30.06 sign.


what the hell is that 51% thing?????

[Priest]

As someone who spends most of his time working with financial institution there are a few reasons for this. First the obvious...the place is full of money and allowing people to walk in with weapons, well that one is pretty straight forward. Second is the liability if someone was to come in an attempto something..you pull a gun and fawk up, bad guy gets gun and so on. I realize that this could be the case anywhere but tons of banks get robbed everyday and it's just something that they would rather not deal with. Our techs spend the majority of their day in and out of banks. We have a zero tollerance pollicy in regards to carrying weapons of any kind include guns, knives and bats.

[apeters89]

what the hell is that 51% thing?????

It means that TABC has determined that the establishment gets 51% or more of their gross revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages.

[CMF]

If I was at a bank or anywhere else and someone in it was being threatened by an armed robber, I'd sure as hell be glad to see a legally armed, trained, fingerprinted, background checked and otherwise law abiding citizen draw their weapon and shoot that fawker dead.

[superhawk2002]

I wonder if IN law states that you cannot carry anyplace that makes a reasonable request not to

Yes they do. Any private business that clearly states and posts a NO WEAPON policy can be enforced.



They don't have that right in Indiana. They can ask you to leave if they know you're carrying, but a sign like that doesn't mean shit in Indiana.

The answer to your question is that it depends on what state you're in. If I was in Indiana, I would just ignore that sign and keep on walking....concealed is concealed.

They can ask you to leave, refuse service, and contact the police. Refusing to leave when asked can get you arrested and prosecuted. There is also some state clauses that specifically cover the NO WEAPONS policy for private businesses. You can get a fine/arrested if ignoring a sign in Indiana. Generally, that does not happen..



Here is another idea.

Conceal it so they never know you have it, that is the idea of a CCW permit.

If they ask you if you are armed you are under NO obligation to tell them unless they are Law Enforcement Officer and have identified themselves as such. In fact, I would straight lie to some bank teller.

"Are you armed sir"

"No, I hate guns, they give you AIDS"

Perfect solution. Too many idiots out there that think they know how to handle a weapon only lead to worse things happening. Banks and other businesses post this sign for liability reasons mainly. Not too sure about the exact thinking behind it, but I will find out and post up -- I am only speaking on Indiana law alone here -- every state differs. If you get that upset over a sign in a bank, maybe you shouldn't be carrying anyway. Use the drivethrough and relax...

[basketcasejeep]

As someone who spends most of his time working with financial institution there are a few reasons for this. First the obvious...the place is full of money and allowing people to walk in with weapons, well that one is pretty straight forward. Second is the liability if someone was to come in an attempto something..you pull a gun and fawk up, bad guy gets gun and so on. I realize that this could be the case anywhere but tons of banks get robbed everyday and it's just something that they would rather not deal with. Our techs spend the majority of their day in and out of banks. We have a zero tollerance pollicy in regards to carrying weapons of any kind include guns, knives and bats.

I have family that works for the same folks you do. That policy sucks for when he's working in bad areas at night, but he does follow it.

[Tim84K10]

They can ask you to leave, refuse service, and contact the police. Refusing to leave when asked can get you arrested and prosecuted. There is also some state clauses that specifically cover the NO WEAPONS policy for private businesses. You can get a fine/arrested if ignoring a sign in Indiana. Generally, that does not happen..

Perfect solution. Too many idiots out there that think they know how to handle a weapon only lead to worse things happening. Banks and other businesses post this sign for liability reasons mainly. Not too sure about the exact thinking behind it, but I will find out and post up -- I am only speaking on Indiana law alone here -- every state differs. If you get that upset over a sign in a bank, maybe you shouldn't be carrying anyway. Use the drivethrough and relax...

I have never seen any type of no weapons sign in Indiana, not that I'm looking for one. Either way, concealed is concealed. I know it doesn't NEED to be concealed but I don't open carry, even when legal.

Liability works both ways. If you post a no weapons sign on your door and I go in there without my gun and get shot, you're going to get sued and I'm never going to have to work again. If you're going to deny me my sidearm for protection, I'm going to expect you to provide for my personal safety.

[TheRedHorseman]

I tend to avoid places that tell me I'm not responsible enough to provide for my own protection.

[Priest]

I have family that works for the same folks you do. That policy sucks for when he's working in bad areas at night, but he does follow it.

Company policy says that you have the option of calling for an armed escort at any time, in any area on any call. I highly suggest that he use this option (not enough of our guys do because they are in a hurry...it's not worth it). Back when I still ran service calls I used it all the time. Also, no one will ever bash you for rolling over a call to the following day because you didn't feel secure.

[Tim84K10]

Company policy says that you have the option of calling for an armed escort at any time, in any area on any call. I highly suggest that he use this option (not enough of our guys do because they are in a hurry...it's not worth it). Back when I still ran service calls I used it all the time. Also, no one will ever bash you for rolling over a call to the following day because you didn't feel secure.

Why the fuck should I trust him when I have my own gun?

I guarantee I can out shoot him anyway.

[Priest]

Why the fuck should I trust him when I have my own gun?

I guarantee I can out shoot him anyway.

Not when your on your knees with your head in a machine trying to fix it. Don't respond to posts when you have no idea what they are talking about.

[whazzzzzupppp918]

Oh! The other place I go where I can't have a *loaded* weapon is the gun store :laughing:

Is that like when you go to the movies and on the doorit says no outside food or drink!

:D

As for the question I would just carry as usual especially if I was dealing with large amounts of cash. As long as you hve a ccw permit

[mike]

Is that like when you go to the movies and on the doorit says no outside food or drink!

:D

As for the question I would just carry as usual especially if I was dealing with large amounts of cash. As long as you hve a ccw permit
eh, you walk up to the door, pull your magazine, clear the chamber and reholster. Then leave it open ;) dats all.

[TheRedHorseman]

eh, you walk up to the door, pull your magazine, clear the chamber and reholster. Then leave it open ;) dats all.

that's just sportsmans warehouse, they are idiots and can't even read their own sign.

[mike]

that's just sportsmans warehouse, they are idiots and can't even read their own sign.
yep. but other than costco it's the only place that limits that I go.. other than well.. work.