I'm in the market for a 48" by 16 gauge box and pan brake.
So I've been shopping the normal sites, Enco, Northern Tool and Harbor Freight.
Trying to keep it on the cheap side since the only project will be the buggy tin and cell.
Sometimes these comps offer free shipping, even at these heavy weights of 300-400 lbs. Seems no one has the offer right now.
Anyone have a promo code for a decent discount at any of these places?

I've tried to find something thru Craigslist but all the Pextos and Tennisons are mega-bucks.

I'd like to get for $500 to my door, any other ideas?
I wonder if I should just go for the 24" model.
Thx

I am curious as to what you come up with. The decent quality ones I saw on ebay were closer to 1k. The Jet one looked nice. Keep us informed.

Sheetmetal house auction on Aug 29 in Sacramento:

http://ashmancompany.com/082906/index.asp

Sheetmetal house auction on Aug 29 in Sacramento:

http://ashmancompany.com/082906/index.asp

I get all the flyers for Ashman. I don't have the time to go to an auction, business is hyperactive right now. Plus these auctions are best when the economy is on a downward slope, right now people are buying. Not to mention there is a bit of hokey-pokey at Lloyd Ashman auctions, sometimes tools dissappear before the auction and some have ridiculous starting bids.
Excellent for bulk tool buying though. I just made $400 from eBaying live tooling I bought at an Ashman auction. A bulk box cost me $2K, kept a huge set of military surplus Hardinge bushings (64th increments) and 2 dozen other expensive tool holders, made my money back plus and kept the extra tooling.

I am curious as to what you come up with. The decent quality ones I saw on ebay were closer to 1k. The Jet one looked nice. Keep us informed.
I think I'm going with the Enco one. Northern tool doesn't have one for 16 ga and in Sept Enco will have the big sales. The brake Enco sells is the same name as the Northern 20 ga. and the HF16 ga..
As of right now the Enco brake could be shipped to my door for $540 but I'll wait till Sept and get the free shipping to knock off $90.

Anyone have any recommendations on USA made brakes?

Similiar, 48" 16 gauge. I really like the ProFormer Model BP4816 but the price is $1090. There are some really nice features on this one (like 1" set back) and radius fingers that make it idea for my airplane stuff. (aka "air cruiser")

All the Harbor Frieght, Grizzly, Enco, and MSC appear near identical. MSC direct has one one sale (look at the sales flier to find the special price), with bender + stand, but $170 to ship... almost brings the total to $700.

With the "china clones" figure on spending some time and money to make it work correctly. A friend dropped his "hardened" finger on the garage floor and dented the finger! We did laugh at wondering what it was harneneded with.

I started off thinking cheap brake & sheer... but would rather stick with my Kett electric shears and buy a NICE brake. Hence ProFormer, but who else should I look at?

Tom

I know that trick-tools.com sells a boat load of box and pan brakes. You might want to check them out.

I know that trick-tools.com sells a boat load of box and pan brakes. You might want to check them out.

Yes they do and this one os bad-ass with bed fingers to match the form fingers.
Mittler Bros brake (http://vansantent.com/sheet_metal_machines/mittler_brake.htm)
Too pricey for me though.

I was looking at the Jet from Trick-Tools.
http://vansantent.com/images/Jet_BP_brake.jpg

Anyone have any recommendations on USA made brakes?

Similiar, 48" 16 gauge. I really like the ProFormer Model BP4816 but the price is $1090. There are some really nice features on this one (like 1" set back) and radius fingers that make it idea for my airplane stuff. (aka "air cruiser")

All the Harbor Frieght, Grizzly, Enco, and MSC appear near identical. MSC direct has one one sale (look at the sales flier to find the special price), with bender + stand, but $170 to ship... almost brings the total to $700.

With the "china clones" figure on spending some time and money to make it work correctly. A friend dropped his "hardened" finger on the garage floor and dented the finger! We did laugh at wondering what it was harneneded with.

I started off thinking cheap brake & sheer... but would rather stick with my Kett electric shears and buy a NICE brake. Hence ProFormer, but who else should I look at?

Tom

We has a USA at work that seems nice.

I used a Chinkmo box and pan to initially build my Willys. I thought it worked good enough for that.

An interesting set of plans I came across...

http://www.green-trust.org/junkyardprojects/FreeHomeWorkshopPlans/MiniBendingBrakePMSept58.pdf

Note how they cut slits in the standard brake design to give it box/pan capability without using removable fingers.



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WFBP4816 48" x 16 Gauge

http://www.woodward-fab.com/images/BoxPanBendingBrakes1.jpg

http://www.woodward-fab.com/sheet_metal_bending_tools.htm

Or something like these are less than $500.

http://cgi.ebay.com/WOODWARD-FAB-box-pan-bending-brake-24-NEW_W0QQitemZ250034381139QQihZ015QQcategoryZ11774Q QtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

http://i10.ebayimg.com/03/i/03/1e/2a/71_1_b.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sheet-metal-brake-bend-roll-shear-3-in-1-machine_W0QQitemZ250033208839QQihZ015QQcategoryZ92 150QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

http://i14.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/72/de/bb_1.JPG

The Enco sales are on.
Enco front page (http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRHM)
Sale prices and free shipping.
Mine is ordered.


Now I get to have fun with a new learning curve, :eek:

The Enco sales are on.
Enco front page (http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRHM)
Sale prices and free shipping.
Mine is ordered.

I got their flyer via email and regular mail and I sure am tempted to get the 16ga. Post up when you get it and let us know how it is.

I got their flyer via email and regular mail and I sure am tempted to get the 16ga. Post up when you get it and let us know how it is.

Wow nice.

Will these work for bending skins, and interior body panels? Or is 3" the max material leftover on the end or is that the maximum DEPTH for boxing? I'm kinda new to the them ;) That price is KILLER with shipping!

I ordered the 16ga. It's 16ga for the entire width of 48".
I'm not exactly sure on gauging specs but steel sheet at 16ga is .109" thick.
I'll be pushing the limits by trying some 1/8" 6061 Al and misc pieces if 1/8" steel for tab bracketry.
I believe the box depth is limited to how tall the throat is with form dies removed. The prebent sides, (right and left) are in the brake perpendicular to the bending shoe, need to be no taller than 3".
As any other mechanical device, I'm assuming there are tricks to cheat out parts.
My plans include panel tins, a real 4x4 fuel cell and some nice brackets. The price is good enough to build up the brake to make thicker and fancier parts. Possibly some raduis bend dies, I need to figure it out some.
I'll post a couple of pics when it comes in but all the work will be in my build up thread, including learning curve f-ups, :D

I think I'm gonna order the 16ga too.

For the price and the time it will save making skins, and interior panels is worth it alone.

If 16ga is .109" and 1/8" is .125 that's only .016" more... with some simple beefing up it should be able to handle it I would think.

Was it my imagination that earlier it said FREE shipping and now it doesn't...

How much was shipping to SF? Since I'm within 2hrs I would guess it would be very similiar.

edit: Nevrmind. It is free shipping and it's coming from NV.. If it's coming from NV how come I get

Subtotal $429.95
Total Tax $31.17
Shipping $.00
Total $461.12


-Todd

BTW:

16 gauge is only .0598

So 1/8 would be over 2x as thick.

Was it my imagination that earlier it said FREE shipping and now it doesn't...

How much was shipping to SF? Since I'm within 2hrs I would guess it would be very similiar.

edit: Nevrmind. It is free shipping and it's coming from NV.. If it's coming from NV how come I get

Subtotal $429.95
Total Tax $31.17
Shipping $.00
Total $461.12


-Todd

Enco charges sales tax in many states. Tehy apparently have an office in Kommiefornia and as a result, charge sales tax.

IMO, the free shipping makes up for it.

Lucky bastards, I don't have the free $ to let me get one right now.

PT

BTW:

16 gauge is only .0598

So 1/8 would be over 2x as thick.

Yup.. he would be better off using a HD arbor press with some brake dies , or a wider shop press with brake dies.. they are easy to make. I wish my camera worked , we have a big arbor press with a bunch of custom dies , perfect for small tabs and brackets , and sheet up to 8 or 10 inches wide or so...

Yup.. he would be better off using a HD arbor press with some brake dies , or a wider shop press with brake dies.. they are easy to make. I wish my camera worked , we have a big arbor press with a bunch of custom dies , perfect for small tabs and brackets , and sheet up to 8 or 10 inches wide or so...


Yeah, I was going to post that.

A 20 Ton shop press from HF is like $200 and the Press Brake for it from NorthernTool if you don't make one is around $250. Shipping would kill but you may have a HF local Ibelieve you do... or you could come to sac. Similiar price and you could do 1/8" 1/4" etc... (small widths).

In the end I really need both... a WIDE one to do skins, and interior panels, and a press for dimple dies and a brake to bend brackets or gussets, etc...

:) But ya good deal for it.

Any idea how long the sale is going to be?? I have to go out of town next week and don't want the truck coming when I'm gone...

PTSchram, You're right, they charged me $38 in sales tax. Shipping before the "free shipping" sale is $90. Shipping to my work door is $468, the freight company will charge $35 to use the liftgate on the truck. I have a forklift at work.

I have a HF20 press and a portapower, I use both for creating or fixing strange bends. A press brake or a combo brake/slip/shear are also good ideas but limited on quality bends, unless you make more dies.
A 90* press die makes an ugly 45* bend.
Enco does have the large 40" combo for sale also, about the same price as the brake.


Todd W, I think the sale is good for Oct.
"16 gauge is only .0598"
You're right, sorry.......I keep getting mixed up between 16ga and 12ga.
Click HERE for decimal/gauge chart (http://www.engineersedge.com/gauge.htm)

Link to the 40" ??

Link to the 40" ??
Part number;
130-5605
catalog price $488.95
Doesn't show free shipping (http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=130-5605)

i built one with pretty loose tolerances, had I take a bit more time I could have made it adjustable or just tigheter, but it works sweet with .090 aluminum. don't have a solid enough base for it to try with steel yet. cost me about $30 in scrap steel...

got any pics of yours Socal?

My Enco 48" 16 ga brake showed up a work this morning. I did not get the call from the truckline like I was supposed to and therefore did not bring my pickup to work this morning, so I will have to wait until tomorrow to haul it home and uncrate it. It is a heavy mofo though.

Ryan

Here it is. Overall the quality is pretty decent. It will take a couple of adjustments before it is ready to start bending some tins. It has all of the adjustments that I would expect, the fingers seem to be machined well, I am pretty happy with the product.

Looks good, obviously you didn't buy the over priced stand either.
I've seen the 20 ga. up close and noticed one of the fingers with a huge dent in it. Probably not as hard as it should be.

Are you going to benchtop yours or make a stand?
If you're making a stand, are you putting it on wheels?
I'm considering the wheels for storage.

I noticed that HF has a big brake on sale now for ~$170. They claim it will bend 12 ga. steel!

Looks good, obviously you didn't buy the over priced stand either.
I've seen the 20 ga. up close and noticed one of the fingers with a huge dent in it. Probably not as hard as it should be.

Are you going to benchtop yours or make a stand?
If you're making a stand, are you putting it on wheels?
I'm considering the wheels for storage.
Yeah, no shit I didn't want to buy their stand. I am not sure what the stand will look like yet. I have so much crap in my garage I need to be able to store other things underneath the brake (press brake, oxy/acy, etc.) so it will probably end up on casters.

Ryan

Looks pretty good. When you go to order do they give you some shipping options? I dont have a commercial address to deliver to and I would rather just pick it up at the trucking terminal. Was that an option?

They had a number of options on the shipping section of the website checkout, but I am not sure if that was one of them. I am sure you could call your order in and arrange terminal pickup though.

Ryan

Cool, thanks.

Does that bottom yellow bending surface have any gussets on it? Doesnt look like it from the picture. That could be a place for improvement.

A shop I used to work at had a similar model and built a cart for it on castors. It worked fine but we rarely moved it around. Just dont be stupid and make the base the same footprint as the brake with that much weight about 3.5' in the air. That was an accident just waiting to happen :shaking: built by a fellow engineering student.

I noticed that HF has a big brake on sale now for ~$170. They claim it will bend 12 ga. steel!

I'll bet that is not the full width of the brake - probably more like a 6" wide sheet. Check the specs out.

The yellow band is simply a piece of angle bolted to the bottom part of the brake (the part that swings up, bending the metal, I don't know what the name of the part is). It does not appear as though it will take much load, as the plate it is bolted to does the actual work.

Behold my wonderful paint rendintion of the peice:

EDIT: All of the brakes that were in the sheetmetal shop that I used to work at did not even have this angle, but the plate that it is attached to was significantly thicker.

got any pics of yours Socal?

Don't know what I was thinking when I first posted, it's not a box/pan brake with fingers, but here's some pics

http://abendig.com/gallery/albums/album06/IMG_1662.sized.jpg
http://abendig.com/gallery/albums/album06/IMG_1663.sized.jpg

here you can see the results of the fixed gap. If I'd done it adjustable for material size it would be a tighter bend, but this worked great for my floor
http://abendig.com/gallery/albums/album06/IMG_1665.sized.jpg
Only one piece I want to redo out of all of it, makes me happy.
http://abendig.com/gallery/albums/album06/IMG_2345.sized.jpg
http://abendig.com/gallery/albums/album06/IMG_2349.sized.jpg
http://abendig.com/gallery/albums/album06/IMG_2350.sized.jpg

The floor is looking great chef.

My brake showed up today but I had no time to play with it, left it at work, it'll come home Monday.

I noticed that HF has a big brake on sale now for ~$170. They claim it will bend 12 ga. steel!

if this is the 36" one, it is "ok" for the money... I bought one because it would do the 12 ga thing, and found out later that it is only rated 12 ga for half the length. for a leaf brake, it wasn't bad for the money, but for the full width, it is only rated to 16 ga. I ended up selling it because I already had a 16 box/pan brake and didn't need the new one with its capacity issues...

OK, fellas, you've had these brakes a coupla days andI KNOW you can't have a new piece of machinery that long without playing with it.

I want your impressions on the Enco brake and I want those imrpessions now! (I only have a coupla weeks to decide if I want one too. All the cool kids have one! :flipoff2:)

I've got an older version of the one flashover shows in his pic. It is ok, but the leaf needs to be reinforced. I need to do some more work to mine, as it has a tendancy to have a larger radius in the middle of the part than on the ends, where the end supports are. when I reinforced the top beam with a piece of 3/4 x 2 flat bar, I had to grind off a ton of bondo that was covering the front of it. Again, for the money, not a bad machine, but not a great machine either...

What do you guys suppose the largest piece of aluminium that could be bent would be?

The gentleman who wants to buy one for the shop wants to bend 1/4" aluminium and I told him no freaking way!

I just ordered mine yesterday! Looking forward to getting it. I have at least 1 project lined up for it right now.

I'm mid process of building the stand, haven't bent yet but it looks good. Looks like the eccentric cam will allow 1/8" easy.

I've tried 1/8" diamond tread aluminum in mine, and it just doesn't have the oompf to pull it off. shorter pieces are not too bad, but no way will it do all 4 foot.

I got my stand half-assed tonight to try a couple of bends, the stand needs some more triangulation :flipoff2:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/JeepinDoug/brake.jpg
This is a piece of .062" 6061Al. Bent it without the counterweight, around 30" wide.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/JeepinDoug/brakeform.jpg
Here's the eccentric cam. Adjusting it will move the top finger bridge forward or back to allow different thicknesses of sheet. This possition is factory set for what looks like .062". You can see the cam is in mid stroke and still has room for accepting thicker sheet.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/JeepinDoug/eccentriccam.jpg
Some of the fingers on mine have some large burrs that need to be sanded down or it leaves an impression inside the piece.
Maybe tomorrow I'll have some time to adjust it for 1/8" and give it a try but first thing is adding more tube to strengthen the stand. The brake is 300lbs and my stand wobbles side to side right now.

Try to bend a piece leaving that aluminum under the fingers if the fingers have burrs.

Here's an update on my findings.

This brake will bend 1/16" all day long, steel or aluminum. Once you adjust for 1/8" things change. Narrow widths work well in both materials, 6" is the size I was trying.
When you start try wider sizes the top clamp springs away or the finger toe-clamps weaken.
The finger toe-clamps are crap. If you try to tighten them they feel as though they'll strip out or collapse..

I believe there is room for improvement and several possible ways of doing that.
1. Beef the toe-clamps or make stronger clamps.
2. Drill and bolt the finger to the main sheet clamp.
3. One of the above along with dowel pinning the sides of the fingers together.
4. Add some thick angle iron to the main sheet clamp to prevent bridge bowing.
Obviously, some of these plans are meant for the mill for accuracy such as pinning the fingers.
I think the most practical is adding the angle iron along with drilling and bolting the fingers to the machine. Unfortunately that degrades the value of the machine unless done right.
I think a standard sheet brake may have worked better for heavier stuff and the ability of beefing the machine.
I'll make this work for me in every way I need regardless, of the machine value.
Other opinions are valued, post them if you have them.

I have not been here much as of late. Damn it I see this thread the other day. I have wanted a box and pan brake for a long time. Mine will be here between 10-11am tomorrow, free shipping. I hate having tool envy.

I got mine on Monday. The truck driver was really nice to me and used the lift gate free of charge and he even wheeled it into my garage.

I havent gone over it yet, it definately needs some adjustments made and all the gunk washed off. I just finished welding my stand together tonight, it gets paint and an expanded metal shelf tomorrow and then it will be completly finished.

I should have waited to order, I just got a 10% off coupon yesterday :(

Well I got my stand all finished up and I cleaned up all the shipping oil off the fingers and bed.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=269566&stc=1&d=1161902757
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=269567&stc=1&d=1161902757

The casting is rough in a few places and some of the welds are crap especially on the rod gussets. The rods were cut too short and the weld is bridged by at least 3/8" in a few spots. The rubber grips on the cam handles are made for a round bar instead of flat bar so they dont fit on very tight. Is this the same as your brakes? One of the handle stop pins on the cam is welded on crooked (the right side in my pictures). The part of the bed that the yellow angle iron bolts to is really rough, it was probably sheared and not smoothed. I will probably disassemble it and hit it with the flap wheel. Lastly the counterweight didnt fit in the hole so I had to grind the end of it (it was mushroomed a little) and I ran a drill through the hole to open it up some. The counter weight in my picture is as far in as it would go.

Overall though I am pretty happy with it for the price and for a tool I will not use all the time it should work well.

JeepinDoug, in this picture:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/JeepinDoug/brakeform.jpg
Did you replace the set screw with that socket head cap screw in the lower right corner? I had to tighten mine up because the hinge pins were coming out but the set screws are so soft I need to replace them before they strip.

I didn't need to replace anything, it is as it came.
The angle iron is rough but it's not a dynamic part of the machine, it only adds some support for longer sections of sheet that hang way out.
I did notice the cams are not in tune with each other. In other words, at full eccentricity the fingers do not measure the same, from the edge of form, from one side to the other.
The handle grips are like your's.....a joke.
My counter weight fit fine. Handle stops are straight. The handle jack screws will need to be adjusted with sheet thickness.
Still, like you said, for the money it'll perform!
BTW, Nice job on the stand.

Well what do yall think on these? I can't decide to get the ENCO or the grizzly one. The ENCO one is cheaper but the grizzly one talks about having hardened teeth. I'll be doing 40" 16 ga mostly.

http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=130-5061&PMPXNO=9179518&PARTPG=INLMK3

http://www.grizzly.com/products/G5769

Looking at the specs it said it has a maximum depth of 3, what does this mean? dayum i hate looking like a newbie. haha

Box and pans for most are a tool you buy and think your going to spend alot of time bending cool shapes but dont and when you need a thick piece bent the brake wont do it. I would opt for the BUDGET brake from use-enco.com (did I say that) :D

I mostly got to do single bends, accross 40" of 16GA, to do floors and such. Right now I go to another shop and borrow a billy big ass one, just trying to get the right one so i don't have to keep using his. haha. I think i'm going to order the ENCO one this afternoon.

I didn't need to replace anything, it is as it came.
The angle iron is rough but it's not a dynamic part of the machine, it only adds some support for longer sections of sheet that hang way out.


The angle iron is support for the bending leaf. Take it off and bend a wide piece, you will see the what the angle is doing for the machine.

The depth of "box" is more then likely the width of the largest single finger.

Another thing to do is make your own dies to replace the finger with. We have a 4" PIPE that bolts in place of the fingers, and a 2" DOM tube that does the same shit. Those get used when you want to bend a nice large radius, quicker then using the slip roll.

We run this one at work http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=505-1377&PMPXNO=953994&PARTPG=INLMK3

no fucking around or modifying it.

Another thing to do is make your own dies to replace the finger with. We have a 4" PIPE that bolts in place of the fingers, and a 2" DOM tube that does the same shit. Those get used when you want to bend a nice large radius, quicker then using the slip roll.



Any chance of some pics of your custom dies? Maybe one also bending a piece of scrap? I think this might be something I need to add to my box brake.

The depth of box measurement is usually the deepest depth of box you can form on the secondary bend operations. this is the depth from the base of the brake, up to the bar that the dies bolt to, usually 3 inches on the little brakes.

Well, I finally got the stand built for this thing. I still need to finish up the shelf for the gas bottles and add a supprt to chain them to. It hold the press brake underneath as well.

Ryan

http://flashover4x4.com/press_brake/BrakeStand.JPG

So let hear some reviews on the enco, you fellas have had penty of time to bend up new rain gutters for yours dogs house.

I like mine,:D
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a374/JeepinDoug/Shroudandfanmount3.jpg

How in the hell are you guys bending 16ga? We bought a cheapy Harbor Frieght one 400+lbs, rated for 48x 16ga. It won't bend that at all. I tried 30" of 16ga the other day and was jumping on the damn thing and it barely bent it 90deg. Thats with the giant counterwieght on it. Am I missing something here? Is there a lock on it!??!!

Lucas

So far I have been bending the floor boards for my buggy out of 16 ga. It takes both my brother and I on the handles in order to be able to do a piece of any size. I think the fingers may be a little out of adjustment though. Moving them away from the bending edge should make it bend easier, just not as clean.

Ryan

I like mine also. I have been bending small sections of 13 ga recently, ~5" long. I did make a simple mod to it yesterday that helps hold the fingers better. I just bolted a piece of cold rolled steel bar 1/2"x1"x51" long across the top to add more of a lip behind the fingers, they kept popping up over the small ridge when bending thicker material.

I'm bring this one back from the dead because I need a Box and Pan. Nothing like a 30" bend in an 8" vise to piss you off:mad3:

Are you guys still happy with your Enco's? Any valid promo codes for free shipping or % off?

I'm bring this one back from the dead because I need a Box and Pan. Nothing like a 30" bend in an 8" vise to piss you off:mad3:

Are you guys still happy with your Enco's? Any valid promo codes for free shipping or % off?

Enco has a few valid coupons still.

Why are you guys using 16ga for the floor of your rigs? I`ve found 18ga to be PLENTY STRONG, cheaper, and easier to bend. + I can get it in hot rolled here :) :)

I'm using 0.040 AL for my floors and skins. At least I'm trying too. If I could only bend it nicely.

I found the free shipping coupon that works but are thier any % off's that work and can you stack them? I tried the 10% off but it said it was invalid:homer:

I'm using 0.040 AL for my floors and skins. At least I'm trying too. If I could only bend it nicely.

I found the free shipping coupon that works but are thier any % off's that work and can you stack them? I tried the 10% off but it said it was invalid:homer:

Normally you can't stack online. Call ENCO and ask them they may let you.

-Todd

I just thought I would add for the canucks that busy bee tools has thiers on sale as well right now.

http://busybeetools.ca/cgi-bin/picture10?&NETID=1002110330081828410&NTITEM=B73016

Are you guys still happy with your Enco's?

I am, it is still working good. I have used it alot more than I thought I would. Definately a nice tool to have.

I'm using 0.040 AL for my floors and skins. At least I'm trying too. If I could only bend it nicely.


6061 or 2024 floors?

If 6061 you could get away with the 'plywood' sheet metal brake (it is on a Zenith aircraft builders forum someplace). If 2024... no such luck with 0.040"

I went with the JET 48" 16 ga. box and pan. Snagged a deal from Southern Tool as it was discounted, free stand, free shipping.... they honored my purchase, but changed the web site the next morning. :flipoff2:

With the 16 ga JET, the lift of the beam and set back are nice features.

It's actually 5052-H36 0.05" now that I look at it. The Price was right:D

This has kinda become THE box and pan brake thread so I am posting a link to the older National brand I picked up for those searching out info. I will update that thread as I recondition the machine...

I mostly like the price I got mine for and that it is american made with local support...

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=672963

I really learned a lot from this tread and I hope other do as well...

JOSH

So, what has everyone made int he last couple years with their box and pan brakes :D

I still use mine all the time. I have made picture frames, multiple aluminum fan shrouds, leaf spring clamps, a fireplace enclosure, fuel cell straps, small bin to hold safety glasses in the shop, bracket for an air tank as part of my OBA system, small body pannels and lots more

I haven't used mine much since the move but I hope to get back to the buggy soon. I did make the DS floor pan, propane tank mounts and battery boxes with it.

i every one still likeing these enco brakes? also what is the box depth on these brakes

to the top... any further input?

I ended up buying one of the enco brakes... SHIPPING WAS FAST and free (which is why I ended up buying it). Quality seems good and bends a 2ft section of 16 gauge with ease. I would have tried something longer but its all I had laying around:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/eeshnab/99cf214a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/eeshnab/a4fc7c9a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/eeshnab/b75a8796.jpg

Yep, looks like the free shipping is back again (annual obviously), but they've raised the sale price to $550 and without the 20% off it's not such a screaming deal. Probably still the most bang for the buck tho for the hobbyist.

I'm missing the free shipping advertisements or is it a code?

I'm missing the free shipping advertisements or is it a code?

Cover of the Hot Deals:
http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRBC?PMCTLG=01&cm_re=TOC-_-HD-_-side

if that link works.

It's built into the item #, when you go to check out it shouldn't add any shipping in your cart. Of course the "starting at $399.95" is the 22ga model.