Used my new Ideal groover from AFCO Racing (writeup coming soon) to goove my new 38.5 SX's (writeup coming soon ;) )

looks good:beer:

Looks sweet Lance. I love the look of swampers when the center lugs are cut like that. By the way, if you don't mind, how much did that groover set you back? I have a friend that is interested in one.

Originally posted by ouibus
Looks sweet Lance. I love the look of swampers when the center lugs are cut like that. By the way, if you don't mind, how much did that groover set you back? I have a friend that is interested in one. normal person they are about 50 bucks, lance however probably got some sort of dealio! jiMMy

Originally posted by ouibus
Looks sweet Lance. I love the look of swampers when the center lugs are cut like that. By the way, if you don't mind, how much did that groover set you back? I have a friend that is interested in one.

$58 for the groover, and a second tip, and a ton of blades.
http://www.rpmnet.com

Cool, that is not as bad as I thought it was going to be. Maybe he and I will split the cost and get one. Is AFCO racing close to where you guys are, or did you just mail order it?

stepped up to a mans tire. good choice.:D

Hey lance looks awesome! What size of blade did you use?

how long did it take and why did you decide to just cut instead of sipe as well. i have been thinking of cutting my outer lugs (already siped the inners). just wondering

Originally posted by Lance
(writeup coming soon ;) )

LOL Hey guys, wait for the write-up to answer all those questions! LOL

Looks good Lance! Be careful though its almost as addicting as the sawzall! :D I got my groover from the same place and I have cut 5-tires so far on one blade and it's time to replace it. However I have been told that if you cut the center part out of the blade you can keep using it to sipe tires so I might do that too.

Originally posted by Lance
Used my new Ideal groover from AFCO Racing (writeup coming soon) to goove my new 38.5 SX's (writeup coming soon ;) )

does the grooving really help?

i grooved my 44" Boggers and it seems to behave as before:(

if it's that good, why does'nt Interco consider selling grooved tires in the first place?:emb:

Originally posted by rpenner54


LOL Hey guys, wait for the write-up to answer all those questions! LOL

Looks good Lance! Be careful though its almost as addicting as the sawzall! :D I got my groover from the same place and I have cut 5-tires so far on one blade and it's time to replace it. However I have been told that if you cut the center part out of the blade you can keep using it to sipe tires so I might do that too.


yes it does sipe very nice, just cut the blade.......... i have grooved and siped about 5 sets of tires now....... wont run em without it....

So where are the pics of the whole thing?? :D:D I see it looks like it's on rack....watcha doing there lance?? :D :flipoff2:

hahaha NEVERMIND!! I FOUND EM! :eek:

i have grooved and siped about 5 sets of tires now....... wont run em without it....

Or won't run 'em period because you keep breaking sh!t

They ended up paying out at ERocC and it wasn't too bad for a first event.

1st- $600 and a set of 37" MT/Rs
2nd- $350
3rd- ?????

Will you be back in June BAJG, will your jeep be the same, or are you going to try to stretch it before then:question: if you want Buddy's number for any questions just let me know.

Oh yeah, the tires look good:D

yo lance answer frogs questions i would like to know also as i wanna grove my 38's tsl also was it real easy and does it really make a huge difference or is it really for looks. i quess it would make a better difference and grip prolly would be better but let us know dude.....:confused:

Originally posted by Lance
Used my new Ideal groover from AFCO RacingYeah but did you leave it behind so I could use it? ;) Interesting grooves on the side lugs. Hmmm.

Originally posted by bigdude


Or won't run 'em period because you keep breaking sh!t

They ended up paying out at ERocC and it wasn't too bad for a first event.

1st- $600 and a set of 37" MT/Rs
2nd- $350
3rd- ?????

Will you be back in June BAJG, will your jeep be the same, or are you going to try to stretch it before then:question: if you want Buddy's number for any questions just let me know.

Oh yeah, the tires look good:D


im pretty sure ill be back.......... wether or not i have a longer wheel base or not is the question.... not enough $$$$ and time we will see, workin on my 60's as we speak........


i think i have buddy's # on the foothills sticker i got.......... thanks

Originally posted by tj7
yo lance answer frogs questions i would like to know also as i wanna grove my 38's tsl also was it real easy and does it really make a huge difference or is it really for looks. i quess it would make a better difference and grip prolly would be better but let us know dude.....:confused:

I grooved my SX's in a very similar pattern and it made a great difference. The tire wraps around rocks better and get's a better bite. IMO- the tread just seams to flex better.

As far as WHY to groove tires, there are a couple reasons. First, you get more biting edges for the rocks. Second, is that it allows the tire carcass to flex more, and wrap around a rock better. Mike did an experiment with a 36" SX. He parked on a 4x4 peice of wood, and measured the distance of the tire (that was hanging over the edges of the wood) to the ground. Then he grooved the tires, and measured again. The tires wrapped around the block and was an inch or two closer to the ground.

This is also a good way to get good lateral traction with a Bogger.

Hmm... Something I need to do too.

Looks like you changed your mind on the pattern after a coupe lugs.

Looks like 3 of - - - and then one | to me!!

Originally posted by HighToy
Hmm... Something I need to do too.

Looks like you changed your mind on the pattern after a coupe lugs.

Lance, how deep did you groove yours?
I only grooved mine like 1/4" into the tread. I wonder if I just added more biting edges....

For what it's worth, I did my fronts like this:
http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/trails/LBL-04-19-02/body4.JPG

And my rears like this:
http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/grooving/groove02.jpg

I haven't been able to tell the difference between the two on my 36x12.50 TSLs... Except that at 9PSI they actually flex, wheras before it took around 5 to get them to flatten out. I Grooved mine so there was ~1/8" of rubber left before I was cutting into the carcass.

Originally posted by Jason M
Lance, how deep did you groove yours?
I only grooved mine like 1/4" into the tread. I wonder if I just added more biting edges....
Damn those look like mine, i did not do the outer lugs either, i liked them normal
Mine are grooved all the down

I grooved them about halfway through. The center lugs were done with a #5 blade, and the sides were done with a #2.

Originally posted by Jason M
Lance, how deep did you groove yours?
I only grooved mine like 1/4" into the tread. I wonder if I just added more biting edges....

Damn dude, how much air you got in them tires?? ;) :D

Saaa-weet Job:flipoff2:

I think you just nominated yourself as the official tire cutter person:flipoff2: Not that I really minded all that much...my ol'man likes me to smell like burnt rubber. I think that was one of his fav purfumes that I've worn.:D

Originally posted by Rocksie
I think you just nominated yourself as the official tire cutter person:flipoff2: Not that I really minded all that much...my ol'man likes me to smell like burnt rubber. I think that was one of his fav purfumes that I've worn.:D Rocksie, I was going to have you do mine. I know your highly skilled in the fine art of grooving. :p :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Belly Dragger
Rocksie, I was going to have you do mine. I know your highly skilled in the fine art of grooving. :p :flipoff2:

Dont get smart:flipoff2: or Ill have you be made the official black sticky crapp putter on'er :D :D :D You seemed to be a pro at that

Originally posted by Rocksie
the official black sticky crapp putter on'erLOL When I shaved this morning I got that stuff of my face. :rolleyes:

Can I ask you why you're no longer running the new MTR's?

Being sponsored by Interco *might* have something to do with it. :D

Originally posted by big78bronco
Can I ask you why you're no longer running the new MTR's?

Originally posted by Lance
I grooved them about halfway through. The center lugs were done with a #5 blade, and the sides were done with a #2.

Puffh go the #6 big dude!
Hey how does interco feel about groving the tire?
my 2 tires i had to warrenty i had to scream and bitch because they were grooved, interco said once you groove a tire they no longer want any part of it?
might be a instering peice of info for the write up

so what tire works best on the cruza? MTR's, SX's, or bogger's? Those grooved SX's look sah..weet.

Originally posted by rpenner54


...However I have been told that if you cut the center part out of the blade you can keep using it to sipe tires so I might do that too.

I bought both that same groover and a siper...the siper uses the exact blades but turned around and it doesn't have heat...other than that it looks the exact same...FWIW

Originally posted by clc900
so what tire works best on the cruza? MTR's, SX's, or bogger's? Those grooved SX's look sah..weet.

I betcha it was his old BFG's!!! :D

LOL

http://www.pirate4x4.com/scrap/retro!/lance_clean_tlc2.jpg

:flipoff2:

Thanks for the tip on the groover. Sweet unit, they shipped it quick and at a fair price. Best of all it works great and isn't a full on workout to use it. :smokin:

Originally posted by the frog
if it's that good, why does'nt Interco consider selling grooved tires in the first place?

I'm guessing, with Boggers, 'cause they're already pretty marginal on DOT legality with as little rubber as actually hits the pavement as they've got. The common mudrace thing is to just cut all the little lugs out completely, then they're pretty much paddles, but I wouldn't want to do too much technical rockcrawling with that setup. My unmolested Boggers work pretty well, although I've ripped the (formerly) nice sharp front edges off of all mine, on the rocks. Oops.

As for TSL's, I'm not real sure, but I'd say 'cause they've been the same for however long, and everybody has their own way of grooving them. Since so many people run 'em un-grooved, I'd say they probably sell more as a "groovable" tire, than they'd sell as a "pre-grooved for competition use" tire.