look at the frog passing a 3.5 feet log:eek:

do you think i exaggerated with the belly height and

the COG??

anyway, it feels great sitting up there:D :D

http://www.thefrog.alloffroad.com/images/.jpg

hoorrryy shit shaggy!! :eek: Bad ass!!! :D

Should have taken the picture before you pulled the winch cable out... :D MAN that thing is BIG...

What is your under frame clearance at ride height? Looks like you mounted the log and the axles are drooping that far. I have 33 inches from my T-case (1 inch under frame) to the ground.

Why the huge yokohama sicker when you run boggers?

Holy shit!!!
Bad ass is right

yo barry that is the sickest fawking thing i have seen in a while hahahaahhaah holy shit you are definatley a MASCHIGINGA.....:rasta:

That thing is incredible! I like that picture, it looks like the white vehicle in the background could drive under you!

I bet you get funny looks going through drive throughs :P

Originally posted by crashinaz
Should have taken the picture before you pulled the winch cable out... :D MAN that thing is BIG...

If you look at the pic you will see the winch cables are not out. You can see both hooks hagin ( F&R ).

Rear suspension sure looks alot like the cantilver suspensions used in big Monster Trucks... Can't give much more info then that myself.

Matts - the riding frame height is variable because of the adjustable sway-a-ways. usually it's about 35" :)

Dr. evil - yokohama is my sponsor. for the TTC they are already
good for about 10k, and still counting......:D

Daniel -more suspension pics tomorrow(i'm home now,it's night over here):) . no aluminum there. what you see is the
custom stabilizer. this custom fabed arm is attached by a rod with two heims to a GMC Yukon torque rod(is that the right term?) and the whole setup is a strong and very efficient stabilizer.
without it the frog swings like a drunk sideways.

CJ lagos - that white car in the background is my Mitsubishi Montero with my wife in it. i tried to run over it(with my wife still inside..) but she strongly refused:D:D:D

thanks everyone for the compliments.

and tj-7 you're absolutely right - i am a "meschigine"(completely nuts):flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I thought those bars were some sort of sway bar deal. Hello frog!! Give up the secret squirrel shit!! :D

Originally posted by big78bronco
Rear suspension sure looks alot like the cantilver suspensions used in big Monster Trucks... Can't give much more info then that myself.

Originally posted by flimmy


If you look at the pic you will see the winch cables are not out. You can see both hooks hagin ( F&R ).

I see a front hook, but that looks an awful lot like a winch cable and controller cord to me... :D

Originally posted by MattS
I thought those bars were some sort of sway bar deal. Hello frog!! Give up the secret squirrel shit!! :D



never keep these things a secret - it's all open. tomorrow i'll send a drawing for you to see. i'm no good at drawings but i'll make sure it will be clear.

i recommend it strongly - not only that it is strong but it also easily dettachable for RTI purposes:D:D etc.

sorry for my ignorance, but what does the term "cantilver" mean?

cantilver usually is when the coilovers are mounted along the frame sideways and then links are used that look just like your swaybar links to connect the coilovers to the axles.

I will see if I can find an example for ya.

Thanks for the info. :)

Here's 2 examples. Depending on the angle and length of the lever in the pic it is possible to get more travel out of a coilover. I have no idea what the ratio's are or how to figure spring rates but I do know they jump those monster truck high in the air and they land fairly soft considering the weight and suspension travel. :D

http://www.pirate4x4.net/mstevens/uploads/cantilever_suspension.jpg
http://www.pirate4x4.net/mstevens/uploads/cantilever_suspension1.jpg

And the dictionary definition of cantilever:
A projecting structure, such as a beam, that is supported at one end and carries a load at the other end or along its length.
A member, such as a beam, that projects beyond a fulcrum and is supported by a balancing member or a downward force behind the fulcrum.
A bracket or block supporting a balcony or cornice.

Originally posted by MattS
Here's 2 examples.

thanks. that is sweet.

completely new to me - and i thought i knew it all...:( :D :D :D

Thanks (sarcasm). :flipoff2:

I'm working my butt off on the truck getting it ready for TTC, and you show me THAT!. :eek:

This is way too :smokin:

Have you shipped it yet?

Tim.

Barry, I didn't know they had trees that big in Israel :eek: . I guess they got some good grow grow there.
Your $hit is awesome. I hope you kick some a$$ for all of your trouble...
Ricky...seeya...

...yokohama is my sponsor. for the TTC they are already
good for about 10k, and still counting......:D
Ummmm.... do you know you'll have to peel down to the paint prior to the event? WOrse yet, you may get stickered with a competing tire brand?

FourWheeler is a real stickled when it comes to advertising for other folks... :(

Randii

hey Matts S

I was just posting a long write up on how that monster truck you posted was so sweet and looked "hydroformed" and was way cooler than gravedigger....

then I figured out it was a clod buster!!

cool

Actually, its a Tamiya , but not a clodbuster, its the TXT-1

Depdog

Originally posted by WOLF359
Thanks (sarcasm). :flipoff2:

I'm working my butt off on the truck getting it ready for TTC, and you show me THAT!. :eek:

This is way too :smokin:

Have you shipped it yet?

Tim.

thanks Tim.

i did'nt ship it yet. it is scheduled to fly in a cargo plane
on May 24th.

do'nt worry - i took this extra month so i would also be able to
let my butt have it with all that neverending work on the rig:D

p.s

you and your rig still scare the shit out of me....:D :D

Originally posted by Daniel
Ya Know what you need now is some 74's!!!!! jkidding...

w o w ! ! ! !

save a set for me(4 of'em not 5.........:D :D :D )

Originally posted by Daniel
Frog you awake ??? What time of day is it there?? It is 1:09 AM here...

Ya know whats the median Income of a country like yours what does the average countrymen do when coming across your world class rig?

Now Im gettin Itchy I think Im goin to top truck this year... all the competitors here Wolf and Frog alone this is going to be a balls out comp this year!!!! MUST SEE!!!

plus I could give all of you up to the minute updates and pics...

Barry... MORE PICS MORE PICS!!!!

1) the time here now is 10:35 a.m. - beautiful morning!
2) when people see the frog, their first reaction is always a grin of disbelief - kinds like "nah that can't be true. what's the catch here?"
3) by all means man come to the TTC, we are waiting for ya in HH!!!!!:beer: :beer:
4) more pics coming soon. couple'adays or so.
5) for you, Matts and everyone else that was interested
in the swaybar here are the drawings and some sort of an explanation - do'nt say i did'nt warn you about my drawing ability, my awful handwriting, my sucking spelling and my "great" choice of words...:( http://www.thefrog.alloffroad.com/images/docu0073.jpg

So, to sum it up. Its like a HD version of the rock ready sway bar. Allows planty of flex, but also keep the rig from getting tippy.

Originally posted by SMC
Its like a HD version of the rock ready sway bar. Allows plenty of flex, but also keep the rig from getting tippy.

that's right.

what does the "rockready" sway bar look like?

don't know these guys.

I think he meant the currie anti-rock
http://128.121.255.231/purchase/product.asp?uid=34441506&item=366

Frog, they are called torsion bars, not torque rods, and they are designed to be twisted in one direction. One end of the bar should have an arrow on it telling what direction it is supposed to be twisted. I have thought about doing the same thing for a sway bar but I didn't know if it would work very well. I assume that it does though.

Also, I can't wait to go to TTC. The field of trucks this year is by far the best competition ever. It is going to be so cool just competing against you guys. I just want to make a respectable showing for myself and be able to compete in every event. My goal is to make it through the tank trap.:D

Daniel, each competitor is allowed a spotter and two crew memeber that can watch each event. I can imagine that there will be an opening for you to help out on one of the teams. Since you are helping out the Frog, maybe he will put you on his crew.

Frog, thanks for the drawing!! The handwriting or spelling is not bad at all. :D

I know that having a spotter with TTC experience is a huge advantage. I have Glenn Wakefield from TTC '98 going with me.

I am really not worried about body damage. Thats not the kind of person I am. If my truck gets so fwcked up that I never drive it again after TTC, I won't care. I have dreamed about going since I first read about it in '97.

I did a lot of work to my suspension this winter and I expect to do pretty well on the ramp. Unfortunately, there are a few other guys with killer suspensions too.

I have been watching videos from previous years. I think that helps to give me a better idea of what to expect.

Originally posted by Daniel
How bout it Barry need a codriver


sounds interesting. just don't mention it to Laredo(also a PBB member) - he is sopposed to be my codriver. if he hears about
it we both can kiss our balls good bye:D :D :D

let's p.m. each other and see what goes.

BTW - i'm still waiting for your answer to my last p.m. to you about the u-joint axleshafts, Klune-V, boots, oil seals, etc.

and here's a couple more pics for you

http://www.thefrog.alloffroad.com/images/.jpg
http://www.thefrog.alloffroad.com/images/3.jpg

DAMN, THIS P.C. OF MINE IS POSTING WHATEVER IT FEELS LIKE........:emb: :emb: :emb:

it is all good :) that rig rocks!!! post all the pics you want :)

Veerry impressive, Frog!

Originally posted by mudtruck44
Also, I can't wait to go to TTC. The field of trucks this year is by far the best competition ever. It is going to be so cool just competing against you guys. I just want to make a respectable showing for myself and be able to compete in every event. My goal is to make it through the tank trap.:D


Yep, my main concern is not breaking. Methinks there's some competitors coming that are crazier than I am. That's why I have Chris for a co-pilot. :-)

--Rob

Originally posted by ryeguy
Methinks there's some competitors coming that are crazier than I am. That's why I have Chris for a co-pilot. :-)
--Rob

hey Rob.
i don't there is one element here that is moresignificant
thanl u c k .

most competitors are familiar with driving in events and
have seen obstacles like the ones of the TTC.

all vehicle are good.

so, i think it's gonna go by luck and breakage(which in a way
also involves luck).

Yep, luck is definitely going to be a big factor this year.

I haven't driven the stuff around TTC, but I think I've driven stuff similar to it else-where.

--Rob

Originally posted by the frog


hey Rob.
i don't there is one element here that is moresignificant
thanl u c k .

most competitors are familiar with driving in events and
have seen obstacles like the ones of the TTC.

all vehicle are good.

so, i think it's gonna go by luck and breakage(which in a way
also involves luck).

Frog pics. :D

http://pirate4x4.net/mstevens/frog/1.jpg
http://pirate4x4.net/mstevens/frog/2.jpg
http://pirate4x4.net/mstevens/frog/3.jpg
http://pirate4x4.net/mstevens/frog/4.jpg

Damn :eek:

Thats pretty cool for some urban wheeling! :D

Yep, my main concern is not breaking.
--Rob

Yeah, I don't want to sound like a pussy, but I really don't want to break. Not because I'm afraid to break my truck, but I'm afraid that I am going to miss out on the biggest fourwheelin' competition of my life if I do break something. I was just watching a tape from a few years ago and saw the guy with the Bummer break a transfer case adapter. He had to sit out the tank trap and hill climb. You can't really be prepared for something like that.

Oh, and Frog, your rig is pretty unbelievable.

Originally posted by mudtruck44


Yeah, I don't want to sound like a pussy, but I really don't want to break. Not because I'm afraid to break my truck, but I'm afraid that I am going to miss out on the biggest fourwheelin' competition of my life if I do break something. I was just watching a tape from a few years ago and saw the guy with the Bummer break a transfer case adapter. He had to sit out the tank trap and hill climb. You can't really be prepared for something like that.

Oh, and Frog, your rig is pretty unbelievable.

My thoughts exactly. I think we're going to be prepared for a broken T-case adaptor (but I don't that's gonna happen). Bringing spare axle parts. Debating over bringing a spare NP205, though. :p Broken transmission (or hydro'd engine) will stop me. I'm more worried about down time than anything - if you can't compete in any one of the events, then you're virtually guaranteed a poor overall finish.

--Rob

well last year the only thing i didnt bring was the doubler adapter and a spare motor other than that i pretty much brought a spare EVERYTHING and then i was like one of the only trucks that did not break anything although i did have a little charging problems on the photo shoot(gee) But as long as you dont have some super exotic sh** you should be ok one way or another. that and use your head at least a little

Originally posted by bigblaze
[...]But as long as you dont have some super exotic sh**[...]
Yeah right...I can think of at least 3 trucks with mostly really oddball (or once-off) sh*t going to the TTC.

The glove box is still factory (but not off this truck), though!

--Rob

I'm busy rounding up spares of as much as I can. If my engine taco's (by by 502) I'm done. Anyone want to lend me a spare GM Performance 502? Didn't think so. :) Same for my Tranny and tcase.

Everything else I have spares for including extra yokes, shafts, bearings, links etc. I've also got a complete database of part numbers for everything, and I've tried to use common parts.

Tim.

Looking at those pictures I noticed that the Frog looks really long. Whats the wheelbase?

WELL hopefully the driver knows his week points on the one off stuff and also has a little luck not to break the harder to find parts.

yea I was just wondering that. breakover still appears to be dam good though

im wondering if the frog has ever seen mud or rocks?

Lookin good Frog.
Looking forward to meeting you guys down there. I'll be spotting for Toby Harrell (first alternate).

Originally posted by mudtruck44
Looking at those pictures I noticed that the Frog looks really long. Whats the wheelbase?

131":eek:

Originally posted by yjtj
im wondering if the frog has ever seen mud or rocks?

yes.

though not as much as you guys:(

Originally posted by TheLakeRat
Lookin good Frog.
Looking forward to meeting you guys down there. I'll be spotting for Toby Harrell (first alternate).

thanks.

same here:)

good luck(but not on my expense.....:D :D :D )

seeya there:smokin:

So Frog Dude, when are you gonna come play in my backyard? You scared?:flipoff2:

BTW... Nice!

Originally posted by 4x4Grrl
So Frog Dudeare you gonna come play in my backyard? You scared?:flipoff2:

BTW... Nice!

to be completly honest with you -


y e s !!

Originally posted by WOLF359
I'm busy rounding up spares of as much as I can. If my engine taco's (by by 502) I'm done. Anyone want to lend me a spare GM Performance 502? Didn't think so. :) Same for my Tranny and tcase.
Tim.

seriously Tim, i thought of bringing a spare transmission and
t-case, but it looks like overdooing, especially with the customs
procedures and so.

what do you say?

key sera sera ???:confused: :confused:

-T.T.C.-
Not to be cheesy, but we are talking about dreams coming true here.
The best part for me, has always been when the first Truck drops into the first part of the tank trap. Your heart is pounding with excitement. 60 or so people are watching from slippery slopes, up to there knees in poison oak, just to see how deep the Park Rangers decided to make those water holes. It's truly amazing to see a man and his machine plunge confidently into unknown depths of water. It's like some kind of paradox of normalcy. It inspires an overwhelming sprit of support for the effort. I compare it to the feeling you get when you watch a car accident that’s about to happen. Your muscles tighten up and all you do it hope for the best outcome. Pure adrenaline. Like the NFL junkies who go crazy during the wining play at the end of a football game. I do believe that Fourwheeler Magazine has started a legendary event. Speaking of which is now about to become 9 years old. Yes that’s right 1993-2002. So, I was thinking, wouldn’t it be interesting to Invite all the original first place winners back in 2003, with their rigs, and have a survival of the fittest T.T.C. championship? They have come a long way sense Jim won the first T.T.C. in his mild mannered CJ-7. Would any of you Pirate BB members want to see something like this?
:usa:

yeah his rear is set up "cantilever style" with a "torsion bar" modified of course. The ones on "Grave Digger" are made from Titanium!! $$$ and they even get tweaked when dennis gets nuts. I'll take the Digi to the shop when I go this weekend and get some pics. I might fly out there to watch this years TTC....I think THIS 1 is gonna fukn ROCK HARD!!!

I'll be the 1st to order this years videos for sure....KICK ASS GUYS!!!:beer: :smokin: :D

shaker... you an me dude ill drive i wanna go but no planes for me.anyways ill speak to ya later hey frogboy did you get my email...

Originally posted by tj7
hey frogboy did you get my email...

NO. probably some kind of problem.

send it as a p.m.:p

Originally posted by stover
So, I was thinking, wouldn’t it be interesting to Invite all the original first place winners back in 2003, with their rigs, and have a survival of the fittest T.T.C. championship? They have come a long way sense Jim won the first T.T.C. in his mild mannered CJ-7. Would any of you Pirate BB members want to see something like this?

I was thinking just that, as I rolled out from TTC last year. I know it wouldn't involve me (didn't win) but it'd be fun to see.

That said, I don't think it'd be a very fair fight, so to speak, at least with regards to the early-year guys. The technology has just come way too far to call it fair, over the last ten years or so.

The other thing that occurred to me, was to put all of the competitors in the mag, and have the readers vote for which ten they'd like to see out of that batch... so even if somebody didn't win, they'd still be eligible (hmm... Sniper didn't win....) to go to the championship, if the votes carried.

Since I had a long drive home, I thought about a few more things, and realized that probably half of the rigs that have competed in TTC over the years, don't even exist any more, and I'd bet that another quarter of 'em have been built into something totally different from what competed.

So, anyway, I doubt that it'd happen, but I'd buy the mag if it did. And bottom-line, I know that's what TTC is all about--selling more magazines.

Holy Leapin Frog shit Batman! :eek: That rig rocks!

Originally posted by Scott@Rockstomper

That said, I don't think it'd be a very fair fight, so to speak, at least with regards to the early-year guys. The technology has just come way too far to call it fair, over the last ten years or so.


You've got a good point there, Scott. But, using one example, Geby's Gama Goat CJ is still around, and I'd still put it up against anything out there right now. He's one of the absolute best driver's I've seen, really knows his 4x4, and that particular 4x4 has indeed stood the test of time. It's not very competitive for some of the rock crawling done these days (too fat, no lockers), but the event is more than just rock crawling.

And I'm sure there's other trucks that have competed in the past that would fit this category, too.

I for one would love to see a "best of the best" competition, or at least as close as the magazine could get to it (since not all trucks will be around, etc.)

--Rob

here are some more front/rearsuspension pics for the
suspension freaks:D :D

rear suspension in articulation

front suspesion - on a bigfoot wheel:D

rear suspension with rear steer

rear suspension - front look.
triangle + two radius arms

rear suspension and sway bar

front

t-case positioned horizontally(cut adapter then rewelded)

is that one looooooong mofo or what?:D

father & son.....:D :D

father, son, friends and a forklift....:D :D

the whole gang:)

a dashboard of the latest model....:flipoff2: :rasta:

crab ride:smokin:

swaybar in action

another(and last) one of the bunch

and another one for the full width lovers:beer: :beer:

a look from down under

Yeah I have to admit that thing is really sweet, and you've done some awesome work on it. However, and this is a BIG however, the Frog is indicative of what is so wrong with TTC anymore. I mean the rules are the rig has to be licensed and insured and street legal. How is it the Frog and the Raptor meet these requirements for TTC? Sure all of the rigs are big and have big assed tires sticking out without mud flaps and crap like that, but come on already. How are rock buggies even close? Perhaps part of the comp should be driving by a bevy of CHP to see who gets pulled off the road and impounded ;)

IMO, the rules either need to change or enforced.

Originally posted by Curtis
Yeah I have to admit that thing is really sweet, and you've done some awesome work on it. However, and this is a BIG however, the Frog is indicative of what is so wrong with TTC anymore. I mean the rules are the rig has to be licensed and insured and street legal. How is it the Frog and the Raptor meet these requirements for TTC? Sure all of the rigs are big and have big assed tires sticking out without mud flaps and crap like that, but come on already. How are rock buggies even close? Perhaps part of the comp should be driving by a bevy of CHP to see who gets pulled off the road and impounded ;)

IMO, the rules either need to change or enforced.

Maybe it is street legal...in Israel:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Scout Dude


Maybe it is street legal...in Israel:flipoff2:

LOL :flipoff2:

how many rigs have you seen on this board are totaly 100% street legal. i know mines not. shit my wifes daily prolly isnt cause the tires stick out and inch or so on each side. i could really care less if a rig is street legal, i do believe it should be able to drive 30 miles down the road at 55 though. i am not into totaly tubular rigs, i like my rig to resemble the vehicle it started life as, but to each his own. tube rigs are cool just not my thing

Originally posted by Curtis
I mean the rules are the rig has to be licensed and insured and street legal. How is it the Frog and the Raptor meet these requirements for TTC

if you want to be completely honest, you should ask - which of this year's 10 finalists is street legal in the way YOU mean it?

the answer is obvious - n o n e - not
even one!!!!

i can tell you that i have a legal registration for the frog and i'm
sure every one of the 10 finalists has it + insurance
+ drivers license.

maybe it's time to change rules and have several categories,
including extreme unlimited one. in the meantime what you actually propose is to ban rigs of this kind, which will discourage
people and stop them from building and innovating. besides, it will
make events and comps look quite pitiful and quite not uptodate, if you'll let only 100% street legal vehicles in.

hey frog- WOW.

im glad i voted for ya :D

what are your HP/Torque specs on that big block you got?

Frog,

I bought and studied the reg's before I started building my truck. I had to work hard, but the Hulk follows the province's vehicle act and inspection regulations. So in that sense, the Hulk is street legal where it's licensed (but it's right at the limit in some respects and into grey zones in others, and is likely not street legal in other states or provinces).

--Rob

Originally posted by the frog

if you want to be completely honest, you should ask - which of this year's 10 finalists is street legal in the way YOU mean it?

the answer is obvious - n o n e - not
even one!!!!

Originally posted by 9-Volt
hey frog- WOW.

im glad i voted for ya :D

what are your HP/Torque specs on that big block you got?

THANKS!

the specs of the B/B are 500hp and 550 lb/ft(estimated).

and here is a pic for you -

oh, i forgot one more pic i promissed Daniel - a downwards look at the rear part of the frog

nice :D

i have a feelin that you are definetly going to be at the top of the list. ryeguy- one concern i had with your truck was the tires you are running. dont you think some swampers or boggers would work better at TTC over the cepeks?

oh and frog, any idea how much the beast weighs?

Originally posted by 9-Volt
nice :D
oh and frog, any idea how much the beast weighs?

no.

i guess about 6,000lb, give or take a few:D

Street Legal? That is stupid whats the point of building a purpose built OFF ROAD VEHICLE. There is no other motorsport that requires the vehicle to meet all safty and emissions requirments for the street. Sounds :rainbow: to me. I say :flipoff: them i'm not building a pavement pounder.

Originally posted by SMP K5
Street Legal? That is stupid whats the point of building a purpose built OFF ROAD VEHICLE. There is no other motorsport that requires the vehicle to meet all safty and emissions requirments for the street. Sounds :rainbow: to me. I say :flipoff: them i'm not building a pavement pounder.

you're damn right!

if you want to have a street vehicle or a dual purpose rig, than it's o.k. to demand that it would be street legal. but if you accept having an offroad rig only, what's the point of requiring streetability?! beats me:rolleyes:

i'll say one more thing - in comps like the TTC which are tough
and rough events with a clear emphasis on being very offroad capable, what's the point of demanding streetability????

i think all comps organizers(rockcrawling and other events) are demanding streetability not because they really WANT to or because they really THINK the rigs should be street legal, but
because they want to be fully ass COVERED and not mess with
the law and the police!!!! and that SUCKS:barf:

i guess it's about time to set some new rulles regarding events and competitions and let people worry about how they perform instead of how they pretend to be o.k. with the law.

Hey now guys don't kill me over it. I said either they need to change the rules or enforce them.

As for street legal of the ones in TTC, ryeguy says his follows the laws where registered and I know Abba is making his legal for CA (even gonna put on the mud flap w/ quick disconnects I believe) so he can drive it to and from the trails.

Anyway, Four Wheeler sets the rules and should enforce them or change them, IMO.

I wonder who is going to get the award for the longest distance traveled to get to t.t.c.?
Hey Frog, my hat's off to you for all the trouble you're going through to do this thing! I can't wait to meet you and all the other good folks at Top Truck.
May the best Fr.., man win!

Originally posted by JR
I wonder who is going to get the award for the longest distance traveled to get to t.t.c.?
Hey Frog, my hat's off to you for all the trouble you're going through to do this thing! I can't wait to meet you and all the other good folks at Top Truck.
May the best Fr.., man win!

thanks JR, that is sweet of you.

i think all of this year's finalists have very good vehicles.

let me remind you of one, considered to be the best of them -
it's called "fat city bronco". have you heard of him?! :D :D :D

as you said, may the best man win, but, as a person who knows
how things go in events, maybe we should say - may the kuckiest man win......;)

most important is that we all have fun and give the public
a good SHOW. isn't it what this whole thing is about?:beer: :beer:

Originally posted by JR
I wonder who is going to get the award for the longest distance traveled to get to t.t.c.?

If it weren't for that damn Frog it would be me! In reality, he will actually get there quicker than I will since he is flying. Does that count for anything?:D

Originally posted by mudtruck44


If it weren't for that damn Frog it would be me! In reality, he will actually get there quicker than I will since he is flying. Does that count for anything?:D

hey, hey, hold it right there!!!
that prize is mine - don't you try to grab it:D :D :D :D :D

why, you started talking like a lawyer...(well, it takes one
to know one....he he he he);)

well it seems that the original frog pic which started this
thread misteriously disappeared fromit and another got
in instead.
so i decided to post it again

Re: Dick Cepeks: I'm trying to find another set of tires to use, that will be better in mud. No luck so far. :(

Re: event rules: I haven't any problems with an event organizer imposing rules, so long as they're reasonable. And street legality IMHO isn't unreasonable. That said, there are many events up here that don't require that. No offence to you, Frog (or anyone) but I'm far more impressed with a truck that can both: safe on streets and great on the trails, than something that is insane on the trails, but something that isn't safe on pavement (seen quite a few trucks that are so unstable, have death shake, etc. that they can't go over ~25mph).

Most trucks up here are street legal, though 'cause we still drive 'em to the trails. Every time I head out, it's 25-45 minutes one way, then the same coming back (and could be a different route - which makes trailering even harder). Our club requires it for our big event 'cause gravel roads and pavement are required to get from base camp to the trail head.

One beef about TTC rules: it isn't written down but Jon Thompson (editor) told me only 1 set of tires. I'd prefer to run the DC's for pavement and sand, etc., and put on a set of TSL's for the mud pit and tank traps. If I were driving it to and from TTC (I'd do it if it were worth points), then I'd be really loud about that. DC's are far nicer for pavement use than TSL's. But then again, it's their event, so it's their rules. I'm just curious about how many other rules there are like this: that are not written down but will be enforced.

--Rob

Originally posted by ryeguy
No offence to you, Frog (or anyone) but I'm far more impressed with a truck that can both: safe on streets and great on the trails, than something that is insane on the trails, but something that isn't safe on pavement
--Rob

hey Rob - none taken.

what you have to know, is that there are two major approaches in the world about vehicle modification - on the one hand the North American one, which allows quite a lot of improvements, changes and modifications, and on the other hand, the European(especially the German) which does not allow ANY modifications whatsoever. once a vehicle was approved by the state authorities, it may not be altered in any way whatsoever.

you are lucky to be living in a country which holds the first approach, while i'm not so lucky to be living in a country that holds the second one and utterly, totally and completly forbids any kind of modification.

so, when a guy like me is deciding on building something which is other than a completly stock vehicle(and you can't build a stock vehicle), then ANYTHING you do is illegal for street use.

therfore, when i do something like that, i might as well go all the way, because WHATEVER i do, it will never be a street legal vehicle.

so, it's either that or nothing at all.

funny though, that a vehicle which i build in Israel, would be completely illegal here but absolutely legal and street legal in America!!!
now how do like that!!! :D :D

Originally posted by ryeguy
No offence to you, Frog (or anyone) but I'm far more impressed with a truck that can both--Rob

hey Rob - none taken.

what you have to know, is that there are two major approaches in the world about vehicle modification - on the one hand the North American one, which allows quite a lot of improvements, changes and modifications, and on the other hand, the European(especially the German) which does not allow ANY modifications whatsoever. once a vehicle was approved by the state authorities, it may not be altered in any way whatsoever.

you are lucky to be living in a country which holds the first approach, while i'm not so lucky to be living in a country that holds the second one and utterly, totally and completly forbids any kind of modification.

so, when a guy like me is deciding on building something which is other than a completly stock vehicle(and you can't build a stock vehicle), then ANYTHING you do is illegal for street use.

therfore, when i do something like that, i might as well go all the way, because WHATEVER i do, it will never be a street legal vehicle.

so, it's either that or nothing at all.

funny though, that a vehicle which i build in Israel, would be completely illegal here but absolutely legal and street legal in America!!!
now how do like that!!! :D :D

Here is my input on the street legal thing.

There is a big difference between street legal and street safe. In many states, like Michigan, my truck is illegal for many reasons and your's would be too Rob. I am willing to bet that your frame and bumper height are too high. Also, vehicles must have a suspension designed by the OEM or an aftermarket company. That applies to steering too. If you have custom crossover, its illegal. 4-link, illegal.

BUT, I strongly agree that vehicles in this competition should be safe to drive. That is kind of where engineering comes in. If you didn't know what you were doing when you built your truck, it isn't going to drive too well. Properly upgrading stuff like brakes is important. I don't think it is too much to ask that the truck is driveable.

Rob, that is really cool that you could drive your truck all the way to California. I wouldn't do it with mine though.:D

Originally posted by mudtruck44
There is a big difference between street legal and street safe. In many states, like Michigan, my truck is illegal for many reasons and your's would be too Rob. I am willing to bet that your frame and bumper height are too high. Also, vehicles must have a suspension designed by the OEM or an aftermarket company. That applies to steering too. If you have custom crossover, its illegal. 4-link, illegal.


You're right.

We don't have any frame heights. For bumper heights, it's 29.5 inches for my weight class. The front plow is on the truck for that exact reason, and I have a rear hoop that unbolts for the trail as well. I'm under a half-inch for these. For the headlight height laws (max 55 inches), I'm within a 1/4 inch of legality here (had to disable the upper ones and use only the lower pair.) Mud flaps can be unpinned for the trail.

I stuck with leaf springs and torque arms for legality reasons. Welding on frames is difficult to certify up here (could go so far as requiring X-rays). Otherwise, I'd likely be running a multi-link suspension F&R too. The only thing welded on my frame is actually the ORD weld-on steering brace kit. Otherwise, it's bolted. Makes it easier for legalese but let's just say I won't be in competition for top RTI scrore (though I definitely don't think the RTI score is a valid representation of a vehicle's trail performance).

--Rob

Rob, I want you to know that I will be really disapointed if you show up with your Dick Cepek's. I know that they work good for what you use the truck for but they are definitely not the tire of choice at the TTC. I think you have a very good shot at winning if you mount something Interco on your rig. Please get some.

I hope you don't care about body damage because with your narrow wheels and fullsize body you are going to be doing a lot of scrapin' in the Tank Trap.:D

I guess they include RTI because it looks cool. It is pretty dumb though. Basically it is an event that attempts to judge the trail worthiness of the vehicle, but since the actual fourwheelin' events require articulation why is an RTI event important?

Basically it is an event that attempts to judge the trail worthiness of the vehicle...
Is it really about trail worthiness?

With items like engineering, show-and-shine, RTI, ride-and-drive (on pavement), tow-test, etc.... I don't think the thrust is to trail-worthiness. Sure, they may weight it that way with the scores (although they are super-secret about how exactly they weight different events, so we'll never know for sure), but realistically, this is an all-around kind of event. You can't do well in the tank trap, hill climb, mini-rubicon, and frame twister and do crappy in the other events AND still win.

Nothing against the event, but c'mon, it is what it is. And that's a multi-faceted test that subjectively rates many things, objectively rates a few things, and tries to balance on-highway and off-highway performance.

Randii

I think you missed what I was saying. I was saying that the ramp test is an event that attempts to measure the trail worthiness of the vehicle. Key word here being "ATTEMPTS". I understand what you are saying about the event though.

I do wonder about the scoring now that you bring it up. Wouldn't it be nice if we knew how each event was weighted. Do you remember two years ago when the Sniper got beat out by Sam's CJ-7 but like one point. Did the guys from Fourwheeler just get together after all of the events and decide who they want to win?

Do you remember two years ago when the Sniper got beat out by Sam's CJ-7 but like one point. Did the guys from Fourwheeler just get together after all of the events and decide who they want to win? [/B][/QUOTE]

My jaw dropped when I first read that, I mean I laugh when they even try to compare the Sniper to Sam's CJ-7. Obviously these guys aren't engineers if they can't tell that the Sniper's craftsmanship/engineering was far better. The Sniper woulda won that year if it hadn't been for the engineering points getting taken by the CJ-7.

BTW, I'll be one of the first to say I'm skeptical of the "Frog." With all do respect it doesn't look well balanced. Yah, it's got huge tired, tons of articulation, (almost) bulletproof drivetrain, clearance, etc etc. How do you plan on waterproofing it for the TTC? In the past the judges apply the KISS rule to score engineering points, how well does this apply to yours? My guess is that the events the Frog would be the weakest is Ride & Drive, Show & Shine, and the Obstacle Course. Another would actually be the Tank Trap just cause the rig is so damned big. Just don't break and you should end up at least in the middle of the pack...;)

I was kind of glad to see a leaf sprung CJ-7 beat the tube frame Sniper. As for engineering, I'm sure that the CJ-7 is well built but the Sniper sure seems like it is better engineered. I don't know what they look for in engineering.

I think that the Frog will do pretty well. My only questions about it are regarding the wheelbase. It is longer than a longbox pick-up.

What is the KISS rule? Kiss the judges asses and you get more points?:D

Originally posted by mudtruck44
I was kind of glad to see a leaf sprung CJ-7 beat the tube frame Sniper. As for engineering, I'm sure that the CJ-7 is well built but the Sniper sure seems like it is better engineered. I don't know what they look for in engineering.

I think that the Frog will do pretty well. My only questions about it are regarding the wheelbase. It is longer than a longbox pick-up.

What is the KISS rule? Kiss the judges asses and you get more points?:D

Exactly my thoughts. :flipoff2: It does get my vote for being the biggest pain in the ass to climb into. Jut curious Frog, how do you find time to build a truck like this with all the crap going on in your backyard?

OMG!!:eek: you must have tons of $$$$$ in that Beast! that thing is freakin awsome, how come you didnt put Deeper gears behing the transfer case (klune V)?:confused: :eek:

Originally posted by MAV


Exactly my thoughts. :flipoff2: It does get my vote for being the biggest pain in the ass to climb into. Jut curious Frog, how do you find time to build a truck like this with all the crap going on in your backyard?

well when you are dedicated to something, you find the time; but when you become an addict, nothing elsw matters..........:D :D

Originally posted by peeJ
OMG!!:eek: you must have tons of $$$$$ in that Beast! that thing is freakin awsome, how come you didnt put Deeper gears behing the transfer case (klune V)?:confused: :eek:

the reason for not putting the Klune-V(BTW- i have a H/D 32 splines brand new Klune box) is that i'm not sure it would handle the torque.

my engine produces 550 lb/ft x 2(torque converter) x 2.48(tranny's first) = 2,750 lb/ft of incoming torque. that with 44" Boggers makes me worried.

besides, if the Klune's shaft goes, you are completely stuck w/o a possibility of a quick trail repair.

that does'nt mean that the klune crawlbox is bad - on the contrary. i think it's one of the best products i've ever seen, and i wish i could use it without having to worry.

maybe if Klune - V would give a full guarantee, i'll put it in.:D:D

i sure could use that low gearing - i need it!!

Two bud's have 44" TSL's (my choice over Boggers). One set is brand new, mounted to the same rims that I'm using, but he wants to pop their cherries (they still have the stickers on 'em). The other set has been abused, but still have good tread. He's worried about unseen sidewall damage during the event.

I spoke with another friend Sunday night. He's got lots of connections, he's going to try to round up a set of Gumbo's or something. We'll see. I gave him a decent deal on some 44's on 15" rims, and he sees a potential for some "sponsorship", so hopefully he comes through. But right now it looks like the DC's will stay on the truck. I'd be okay with that if they'd let me run chains, but that's already mentioned in the rules.

Body damage: my rule of thumb is not concerned particularly for things that bolt on like front fenders. I don't want to leave the event where e.g. doors won't shut 'cause I've caved in the windshield pillars. But now that I may have a line on another super-clean body (also helps for road-side inspections), that may change.

I'm actually 88 inches wide outside of tire to outside of tire. That's some 10 inches wider that the body. I expect to do some scraping, but hopefully not that bad.

--Rob

Originally posted by mudtruck44
Rob, I want you to know that I will be really disapointed if you show up with your Dick Cepek's. I know that they work good for what you use the truck for but they are definitely not the tire of choice at the TTC. I think you have a very good shot at winning if you mount something Interco on your rig. Please get some.

I hope you don't care about body damage because with your narrow wheels and fullsize body you are going to be doing a lot of scrapin' in the Tank Trap.:D

I guess they include RTI because it looks cool. It is pretty dumb though. Basically it is an event that attempts to judge the trail worthiness of the vehicle, but since the actual fourwheelin' events require articulation why is an RTI event important?

Re: judging. There's enough subjectivity that I think the judges can have some "extra" control over closely placed vehicles. But again, it's their event, and they know what they are looking for. But it would be nice if everything was in the open.

I just hope everyone (including members of my team) keeps their cool, and remember it's just for magazine sales. :p And if someone sees me losing my temper, to tell me there's a rye bottle back at camp with my name on it. :rasta:

One thing I was toying with, was what if everyone entering showed up with a pirate4x4 or bc4x4 (or pick your 4x4 website of choice) windshield banner. :) (Frog, Wolf359, Larry Soo is sending some BC4x4 stickers down with my for you guys.) It'd be kinda funny to see how the editor and judges would react!

--Rob

Originally posted by ryeguy
what if everyone entering showed up with a pirate4x4 or bc4x4 (or pick your 4x4 website of choice) windshield banner. :) (Frog, Wolf359, Larry Soo is sending some BC4x4 stickers down with my for you guys.) It'd be kinda funny to see how the editor and judges would react!

--Rob

that would be coooool:cool:

right now i have a slight problem with that - i just don't have
any windshields on the frog:D :D :D

oh well, i was thinking on having two of those made
especially for the TTC.......

BTW Rob - how's Larry soo doing? recovered from our small incident(he surely remembers that saying about eating crow....;))?
tell him that inspite of all my attempts, i'm still unable to get any posts from tew bc4x4 mailing list!!

*grin* Yeah, I think Larry has recovered from eating crow there. :) His email is lars@bc4x4.com. He doesn't make many mistakes, but he is human like the rest of us (and all-round great guy). :)

Most traffic has moved to his bulletin board, though. http://bb.bc4x4.com. (Hopefully it's okay to post that link on pirate4x4!)

--Rob

Rob, here is what you need to do. Post something and see if someone will let you barrow thier tires. A lot of these guys are from California and they could meet you there with the tires. I really hope you get some swampers.

I've thought about that. I don't know if I'm comfortable borrowing a set from a relative stranger. And I've got beadlock rims, but it's only take a half-day to switch tires onto them, I guess. Hm...

The local place as some Firestone 42x12.5's that take 20 inch rims, kinda like a Swamper tread for pretty cheap. I was thinking of running duals F&R (nothing in the rules about that!), but they're a high pressure tire and I'd need to find like 8 relatively custom rims.

--Rob

Originally posted by mudtruck44
Rob, here is what you need to do. Post something and see if someone will let you barrow thier tires. A lot of these guys are from California and they could meet you there with the tires. I really hope you get some swampers.

Originally posted by ryeguy
I was thinking of running duals F&R (nothing in the rules about that)
--Rob



yes, that would be a reasonable way to eliminate you from
my rivals list....:D :D

and what were you thinking -

1- about beadlocks?
2- about punctured/blown off inner tire?

come awwwwn Rob, this is NOT the time for innovations.
stick to what you've got and what you know works for you.
just find a good set of Boggers(or just buy one. i'm sure your local bank's manger wo'nt say no. he'll only ask for collaterals...:D :D ).
besides, with all the mud and water that you have up north,
is'nt it about time to invest in a set of swampers???:beer:

Frog,

I've got Hummer military beadlock rims, good for 16.5" tires aired down low. The DC's are wrapped around them right now. They have the magnesium rings. Like 'em, want to keep 'em for the event regardless of the tires mounted to 'em.

I'm not against duals, though that won't happen. It would increase my unsprung weight by about 50 lbs per corner. The wheel studs are long enough...blow off an inner one...who cares, so long as the outer still holds air!

The truck is not receiving lots of mods. Minor fine tuning, some cleaning up. That, and we've put it on a diet to save some weight (couple hundred lbs or so, not a whole lot). :)

We don't have *that* much mud 'round here, actually. Lots of rocks, though.

--Rob

Originally posted by mudtruck44
....
What is the KISS rule? Kiss the judges asses and you get more points?:D

KeepIt Simple Stupid or
Keep It Springs and Shackles
:D

While I (along with everyone else) is fascinated with your rig,
I'm even more fascinated with the fact that you built that in Isreal , right????

It's a big enough pain in the ass, and $$$, to get parts here. Where the hell did you get the parts (and $$$) to build that thing there?

Are you American or Isreali? And how did you get into building such an outrageous vehicle? And you're shipping that thing here and back?? Holy Schmolly!!!

I live about an hour from H.H.
When is the TTC? Can I get in without a rig?

I to wish klune would put some sort of torque or HP specs on it. I just dont want to be the one to find out how much power it wont take out in the middle of nowere.

Originally posted by ryeguy
One thing I was toying with, was what if everyone entering showed up with a pirate4x4 windshield banner. :) -Rob

i think it would be cool if all the pirate guys had a special windshield bannor/sticker made up for the event. it isn't a parts vendor so they should not have a problem with it. if they did i don't think they have enough alternates to kick all 6 of you out when you refuse:D

Here's my take on this TTC event....

Any rig that has a sponsor, like the frog, shouldnt be allowed in the TTC...You did say in post 1 Yokohama had $10,000 in your rig right?

Your Machine is awesome there is no doubt about that..It SHOULD Dominate the event...

However, IMO the TTC has went to chit in the last few years, rigs with no sheetmetal, sponsors, and unlimited funding is bs..

This comp would be alot better with real trucks driven on the road... There are plenty events out there for these buggy machines...
top TRUCK challange.....


Well I gotta go now, I feel like parking my Bronco on a 4' tall log :flipoff2:

I have to kinda agree with DaChad's last post here. TTC "used"
to be a pretty neat thing going on. But in the past 2 years with
all the rock-crawling events going on, basically taking over the
"spectator" part of 4x4, (with exception of monster trucks)
TTC now is pretty out of date/ old school..... But, I think DaChad
needs to re-think his comment about "sponsored" rigs that
compete. Sam's Offroad heepee, for one, is basically a "sponsored" rig itself. competed by it's owner. a 4x4 shop
builder/retailer. so that "breach of ethics" has very much already
been broken.

TTC is in no way about the little guy competing anymore. The
little guy might actually win, but money most usally always wins.

TTC is most likely on it's way out. West coast rock-crawling is
going huge..............

--Sherpa

Well I agree with the argument about high dollar rigs in the competition. Last years winner was not a high dollar, sponsored rig, niether was the Hybrid S-10 or many of the vehicles that competed.

I guess one thing that is not that cool is having someone build you a truck for the TTC. Paying thousands and thousands of dollars to some shop to get the ultimate truck doesn't impress me much. I built my truck with no help from anyne, literally. I don't even have friends that help me work on it. I built the suspension, steering, rebuilt the engine, tranny, set up ring and pinions, even the body work.

I'm all for guys building killer trucks, but most people can't compete when some guy spends $100k on his rig. Maybe I'm just jealous though.

As far as top TRUCK challenge, I bet I can win that. There are only two of us in the competition.:D

I don't understand why you guys are having a problem with sponsored rigs. They can't run any sponsors stickers in the event so even getting a sponsor would be hard. Who cares where the $$$ came from? So Joe blow has a few thousand more $'s in his bank account because he has a sponsor. So now are you going to say that rich people can't compete? They have a high dollar rig so we don't want them in the event? I would rather see the high $ rigs there. Then when the small guy opens a can of whoop ass on his $100,000 rig you can say, wow look at that guy with the truck he built himself in his garage, man he's a good driver/fabricator. Maybe I can build a rig of my own. That's how people get into the sport. I know I don't have the cash to get at $50,000 rig built for me, but I can spend my time and do it myself and still have a decent rig.

May the best rig/driver win.

I actually agree with you. The truth is that the best built trucks don't always win anyway. The Sniper is a high dollar tube buggy and he got beat by a leaf sprung CJ-7. The Jimmy last year was a really sweet high dollar truck, and he got beat by a leaf sprung chopped 'burban. In the last few years, there have been more high dollar rigs in the competition. I would rather see them in it that Hillbilly Jim's Chevy with 12" lift springs.

The competition is not the same as it used to be, but that is fine with me. I love what the Top Truck Challenge is. I just don't want it to turn into an event that is just 10 tube frame buggies with 48's and millitary axles.

remember that competitors are chosen by readers' votes. If there are 8 tube buggies in it, that's because the people wanted to see 8 tube buggies. There were plenty of "trucks" in the magazine, they just didn't get voted for. I could see your point if the magazine picked the competitors but that's not how it goes (or at least we're to believe that's not how it goes).

-Steve

Originally posted by sfazr2
While I (along with everyone else) is fascinated with your rig,
I'm even more fascinated with the fact that you built that in Isreal , right????

It's a big enough pain in the ass, and $$$, to get parts here. Where the hell did you get the parts (and $$$) to build that thing there?

you'd be surprised to hear what i have to say about it. i know everything here is more expensive, being imported and so, but since we use mainly military parts, it's not that bad. the YJ i bought at the begining cost me very little being a border police beat up rag. what i put in later(like axles t-cases, trannies, R&P sets etc), i got mostly for free from friends who own junkyards with military jeep & truck parts.
when i moved to stronger axles, i got them again from my friends, but sold the former for good money with the lockers inside.
i'm not saying i did'nt spend money on the rig, but it's far from what you may think.
if you want to know, for example, where we get many military parts here, you should know that we have in the desert part of the country, hundreds or even thousands of military vehicles lying as targets for airplanes bombing practice. for them it's junk, but for us it's simply a TREASURE:D:D:D. so, on a quite weekend(the army does not practice on weekends), you take your trailer, toolbox, torch etc, and you go "shopping" for parts....:D


Are you American or Isreali? And how did you get into building such an outrageous vehicle? And you're shipping that thing here and back?? Holy Schmolly!!!

actually, i am an Israeli, but i'm also an American cityzen - my mother was born in New York city. so take your pick - i can be whatever you like....:D:D
how did i get into it? well i see you have some kind of connection with my wife:rasta:. she keeps asking the same question, but i can't give her an answer. the truth probably is that i'm a junkie.
i could be a junkie for drugs, alcohol, sex(yummee..), but i'm a 4x4 addict:(

I live about an hour from H.H.
When is the TTC? Can I get in without a rig?

the TTC is on 3,4,5,6,7 of June. i'm afraid you can't get in unless you have a wristband, and that is obtainable only from Four Wheeler :emb:

take it easy:beer:

*grin*

Hulk doesn't like flying.:laughing: Actually, the flying part was okay, just the landing.

No damage, just comes down pretty hard. Threw some stuff from the back, over the rear bench, to right behind me! Next time I think I'll take the shocks off the '4' setting. :goofball:

--Rob

Originally posted by ryeguy
*grin*

Hulk doesn't like flying.:laughing: Actually, the flying part was okay, just the landing.

No damage, just comes down pretty hard. Threw some stuff from the back, over the rear bench, to right behind me! Next time I think I'll take the shocks off the '4' setting. :goofball:

--Rob

:question: :question: :question:

lost you on that one, Rob.

were you aiming at this thread?:) :)

Originally posted by the frog


:question: :question: :question:

lost you on that one, Rob.

were you aiming at this thread?:) :)

Oops, nah I wasn't. But, now that it's here, how does the Frog react when it's jumped?

--Rob

Originally posted by ryeguy

how does the Frog react when it's jumped?
--Rob

not too well.

i try not to make it jump cause it's heavy and has a lot
of unsprung weight.

when it does jump, it allways closes it's suspension and
hits the bumpstops.

it was built mainly for trails, mud and rocks and it does'nt do well
riding very fast and jumping. do'nt forget it weighs more than
6000 lb, of which at least 2300 lb are unsprung!

how much does the Hulk weigh?

Originally posted by the frog
how much does the Hulk weigh?

Somewhere between 700 and 1200 lbs more than you!

Unsprung weight: Mine is ballpark guess 1750lbs.

--Rob

a short update - the frog got new "wings" over it's wheels
and it really looks spacy now.

tomorrow i'm going to post new pics of these wings
and of the frog in deep water - about 5 feet of water and mud!!

we went practicing today.
the s.o.b cruised on each and every thing that i put in front of his 44's.
no fun at all:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:
if you think you have a chance - you must be one of the lottery junkies....:smokin:

laredo:smokin:

what is the top speed of the frog


i think there is a drag racing part of the TTC

whaddya think of my new frog wings??
i do'nt know if they're nice, but they keep
most of the mud away.

this is me driving with my spotter, Laredo:)

side look

rear look

and another one for the fun

coverup...:p

to put the mud views.....:smokin:

laredo:smokin:

well, i think you're gonna love this:) :eek: :)
take a look

getting in

inside

deep

starting to exit

almost out

shaking out the mud

Originally posted by laredo
froggy, you forgot to put the mud views.....:smokin:

laredo:smokin:

well mr. Laredo, is that good enough for you?:)

hope it is, especially when it's YOU in the background,
very safe and sound on solid ground, while i'm in the middle
of the pond, 5 feet deep!!:rasta:

I love the 'wings'. I like how your whole buggy is unique. You didnt go with the current trend of thin and light.

Plus I like the overall look of it, very unique and professional.

Keep up the good work!

Originally posted by laredo
we went practicing today.
the s.o.b cruised each and every thing i put in front of his 44's.
no fun at all:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:
if you think you have a chance - you must be one of the lottery junkies....:smokin:

laredo:smokin:

don't listen to him.

i, of all people, should know that bragging is always the best
and shortest road to defeat:(

besides, there is no doubt in my mind that this year's top 10
is the strongest 10 ever, and many of them are just great.

i believe the frog is placed well in the middle of the bunch - some of them are better and some a bit weaker.

Once again, I must say, You have done your home work. Looks like we may have a new record setter to run the tank trap. I'll call the Park rangers at Hollister Hills and make sure they use an excavator to prep the Tank Trap instead of a D-6 CAT. we'll see how well this amphibion swims yet.:)

Originally posted by stover
I'll call the Park rangers at Hollister Hills and make sure they use an excavator to prep the Tank Trap instead of a D-6 CAT. we'll see how well this amphibion swims yet.:)

no, no, Robin, don't do that, please, pleeeeeeaaaasssee:D :D :D

tell'em we are all wimps and that the tank trap should be the easiest yet.

man, i saw you again last night(about the 12th time:D :D )
in the tank trap with Kevin Kaylin. toooooo bad. why di'nt he put a snorkel??

did he screw the motor completely or was it saved? he did so well in that TTC. i think that if he would have just finished, he would have come in first.

oh well, ain't life a bitch??

and here is another sweety for you

here is a picture of one of the most bad ass 4x4s you've ever seen. it's called the ZIBAR and it belongs to a guy named Ido Cohen from Israel.

he's the guy who built in his own hands(with me of course...:) ) the frog.

this vehicle is as tough as an alley cat - all custom made tube frame; D-70 & D-60 f/f 35 splines hub to hub; ARBs; adjustable compressed air coilover shocks; chevy 350; 4l60;NP-205; 38.5" TSLs; front/rear winches; OBA; and much much more.

definitely one of the best there is.

this one with the second vehicle Ido built, won the league events in Israel for the last few years, with no real competition.

take a look -

Amazing pics. Thanks for posting them frog. Looks good

Damn dude.
BAD ASS!

Don't worry, I wont tell Ranger Dan about how easy your Frog makes the Tank Trap look. However I will stress the fact that The bar has been raised as far as the top ten vote getters is concerned. I believe this years compitition will provide more action and less breakage than in years past. I also think this year is going to be one of the last years they hold TTC at Holister Hills.
The reason, Too many people will try to sneek in causing liability issues, and other enviornmental issues H.H. is currently facing.
If it is indeed the last, I hope none of the compititor's hold anything back. Kevin and I worked well togeather, However He had another plan of attack for the water holes in Tank Trap.
Kevin had planned on launching over the deep holes, like 5 or 6 feet up in the air. Needless to say it would have killed his Jeep, if not us, so in retrospect I'm happy with our efforts. The 454 big block was drained and re-oiled and ran fine 2 weeks later.
scence then, We competed togeather again at Rockfest challenge 2001 in South Carolina. We talk all the time.
Thats the beauty of TTC, your going to make life long friends, that are from all over the place.
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Originally posted by TyTy
I love the 'wings'. I like how your whole buggy is unique. You didnt go with the current trend of thin and light.

Plus I like the overall look of it, very unique and professional.

Keep up the good work!

t h a n k y o u m a n

you simply warm my heart:) :) :)

go to sleep.
tommorow i'll worm your but:flipoff2:

the fat
laredo:smokin:

Barry,

GOD DAMN!

I used to really like your Frog....but now with the new "wings" (fenders)......



I LOVE IT.....It has a wicked angry bug look......half bat, half praying mantis.


You should change the name.........


BANTIS!

Jeeeeeeeeez, i hope you make it!

Ryeguy.....still my hometown guy, I feel guilty, like I cheated or somethin :flipoff2: