http://www.pirate4x4.com/productreviews/sillyneck/index.html

sounds like a shameless plug for a free bumper to me :flipoff2:
where do i sign up for shameless plugs for free bumpers
i can build the pirate moderators some super bad az bumpers not to mention our new bumper with an electric solenoid tire swingout popper BRING IT ! you say you got a bumper well then tell me what you need i'll build it you write it up ....

alan

hmmm, i need an entire brake system done. im calling you tomorrow anyways allen but now your in for it! jiMMy

wooooo hooooooo....you know what that means people! gimme $$$ :D j/k

but I'm really not :grinpimp:

anyone that spends over $300 w/ me gets to drink their age in beers w/ me....I only have to drink 21 but you may have to drink more :D so be prepared! Then I'll convince you we should cut the back off or whatever it is you own :D

I have that tape measure

sorry nothing useful to say

Originally posted by xextr3m3
I have that tape measure

sorry nothing useful to say

bwahhaha! I couldn't figure out what you were talking about for a minute! :D

great thanks for not warning me that you were welding. I looked right at the ark! now I have this fawkin blue spot in my vision! :flipoff2:

Nice stinger. but why is it so short. shouldn't it be higher so that it would protect the radiator when it goes belly up?

if you run a plane from the top of the stinger to the top of the cage (well windshield for now :D) you'll notice that I was very careful to NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK :D :D the pic is a good ramming device...I could care less what happens in a side ways roll....it'll help stop an endo as mine has many times...and it'll really jack up the rig in front of you if you hit it hard enough :D It probably is close enough to where it would protect the radiator but eh....it's really about looking cool and chrome parts! am I right? :D

I don't want to be an ass - but $250 for a little bent tube welded to the front of that heep???

Originally posted by brector
I don't want to be an ass - but $250 for a little bent tube welded to the front of that heep???



Kinda what I was thinking!

Originally posted by Lowrangerider




Kinda what I was thinking!

And the only reason I ask is - a guy in my club charges $8 a foot for the tube, bending it, and welding it up. And I don't want to pay that much :D

Originally posted by Sillyneck
if you run a plane from the top of the stinger to the top of the cage (well windshield for now :D) you'll notice that I was very careful to NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK :D :D :D

I think this sums it up pretty well.

And $250 is a bit high, but come awn, he's running a business. It's not like he'd make a profit if he was charging what everyone else's "BUDDY" was charging.

BTW looks good.

Originally posted by Cliffhanger


I think this sums it up pretty well.

And $250 is a bit high, but come awn, he's running a business. It's not like he'd make a profit if he was charging what everyone else's "BUDDY" was charging.

BTW looks good.

LOL! My buddy IS making a proffit! Hell - tube is like $2 to $5 a foot - there is like 4 feet in that bumper - even w/ $80 an hour for labor - that's about $100.

I think U missed that he built the front crossmember out of some thick rectangle, then plated the sides and top, after cutting off the old crap, gained about 3" off the front end too. Here is a little better before pic of the thing. Ya $250 would be allot for a tube, and the tube would have only taken 15 mins not the 3 or 4 hours this took:rasta:

I guess people forgot hot to read. I cut 3 inches off the entire frame and spring hangers. (weird clusterf@ck of a custome frame)

Then welded 2x4 1/4 wall box tube to the front. to make it look normal cause like I said it's a weird frame, I welded 4x6 1/4" plates on either end, shaving them in and capping the box, then I welded a 6 x 31 1/4" plate to the top and ground the whole front edge smooth. THEN bent a little pice of tube and welded it on. Last time I checked it didn't take 3-4 hours to bend a piece of tube and weld it on.

Like I said 3 times...it was a weird frame requiring a lot of extra work just to get a basic bumper "look" on there. I would have charged a lot more than that for what I did on his but since there is rarely a situation like that I just put the normal price down.

dude, silly you don't have to explain yourself to these guys...not everyone can have a tube bender, welder, grinder, sazall and a shop to make an $8 stinger..:rolleyes: it is all good, charge what you want, people like your work.

Originally posted by brimy311
dude, silly you don't have to explain yourself to these guys...not everyone can have a tube bender, welder, grinder, sazall and a shop to make an $8 stinger..:rolleyes: it is all good, charge what you want, people like your work.

Took the words right out of my mouth :D Im more of a doit myself kinda guy, but lets face it. Not everyone can weld, bend and fabricate and would rather pay someone else to do it for them :D
Nice work Silly! :beer:

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if anyone wants the $80 special i can do that too. but you aren't getting any complete welds or an ounce of grinding

metal = $50 (that's w/ discount...sorry dat da price here)
3 grinding wheels = $7.50
use of 1 flap disc (1/4 of $12) = $3
2 sawzall blades - 1 extreme and 1 dewalt - $8
2 - d rings = $10
Welding wired, Gas and tips - at least $15.
1 can flat black - $2

Grand total= $95.50

Figure it took me 3 hours....well that's only $50 an hour. I cover my @$$ and that's it. If you're a do it yourselfer w/ nothing constructive to say well scoot. I don't want to hear it and any potential business does not need to hear it. Thanks

Dam straight Silly. Do you always have sawzall eyes? :eek: Dam that scared me the frist time I saw it, now I think you've always got 'em.

Squash

hmmmmmmmmmm, looks good Phil. I was waiting to see the final product. On top of all the material costs and stuff, the guys bitching need to realize that you're not doing this out of your garage, you have to also cover the lease on your shop....that's not free. $250 is a fair price for waht you did, as just a kit, I don't know, but people pay a hell of a lot more for a hell of a lot less. I've seen the $600 ARB bumpers fold from trying to pull a stuck rig out, that's a rip off!!!!

-Bet you thought I was going to give you shit huh? Where in the hell were you last night, we played the mobile video!!! Nick and Thomas bailed before we showed it too.

Originally posted by Wilson
hmmmmmmmmmm, looks good Phil. I was waiting to see the final product. On top of all the material costs and stuff, the guys bitching need to realize that you're not doing this out of your garage, you have to also cover the lease on your shop....that's not free. $250 is a fair price for waht you did, as just a kit, I don't know, but people pay a hell of a lot more for a hell of a lot less. I've seen the $600 ARB bumpers fold from trying to pull a stuck rig out, that's a rip off!!!!

-Bet you thought I was going to give you shit huh? Where in the hell were you last night, we played the mobile video!!! Nick and Thomas bailed before we showed it too.

thanks wilson

yea I was IN CLASSS! I wanted to be there so bad but you know how it goes...didn;t get out until 10 pm and I had homework until 3am. :(

Thanks realsquash (still the funniest name on here) :D yea the sawzall eyes are pretty easy to make w/ those party glasses on :D just open em wide and anyone's eye look cracked out :D

Cheap bastards, look at this (http://www.burnsvilleoffroad.com/custom.html) then think about Silly's prices....also that isn't a bolt-on bumper he made.:D

Silly, what kind of a place to you pick up those D-rings at? Metal supplier, tractor supplier...etc?

Originally posted by LAME
Cheap bastards, look at this (http://www.burnsvilleoffroad.com/custom.html) then think about Silly's prices....also that isn't a bolt-on bumper he made.:D

Silly, what kind of a place to you pick up those D-rings at? Metal supplier, tractor supplier...etc?

Metal supply place

Originally posted by Wilson


Metal supply place

Eggggcellent:D

what wilson said :D

I seriously think they thought all I did was bend a piece of tube for $250 :D hahaha. come awn people step up and say how I'm doing this business thing all wrong some more.

I'm with you too Phil. The goons giving you a hard time are not worth your effort of explanation. They obviously dont fab themselves and are reduced to hitting up their buddy's that do for freebies and such.

For anyone wanting another opinion on Phil's work, I will attest to his undeniable attention to detail and professionalism. I've seen lots of his stuff and have worked with him on a few projects. This young man as a VERY bright future in the fab business. And the dood in the Zuk got a scream'n deal for $250.

Originally posted by Sillyneck
what wilson said :D

I seriously think they thought all I did was bend a piece of tube for $250 :D hahaha. come awn people step up and say how I'm doing this business thing all wrong some more.

Honestly... That is all I thought you did... Now that I see you did more then just bend and weld a peice of tube I understand the price. :cool:

The before and after picks look very similar. but with the tube added so that is why I thought the tube was the only thing you did. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Lowrangerider


Honestly... That is all I thought you did... Now that I see you did more then just bend and weld a peice of tube I understand the price. :cool:

The before and after picks look very similar. but with the tube added so that is why I thought the tube was the only thing you did. :flipoff2:

Me too. That's why I asked - that write up wasn't really clear that the underlayment was all custom fabbed. And - that's why I put my disclaimer in my first post. So all the silly girls can bite my ass :flipoff2:

Originally posted by brector


Me too. That's why I asked - that write up wasn't really clear that the underlayment was all custom fabbed. And - that's why I put my disclaimer in my first post. So all the silly girls can bite my ass :flipoff2:

I think I was clear...........

.................................................. .............................."I told Phil (aka: SillyNeck) that I wanted a "stinger" and a bullet proof stubby bumper that was welded to the frame to become part of the rig itself. I don't like big cumbersome looking bumpers, so a custom job is the only way to go"........

Don't forget the power bill mine has gone up consistently since I have been laid off and the weather is getting nicer so not as much heat?? mmmmmmm plasma cutter and welder

Fuck em if it is to much go to 4wheelparts and buy a bolt on pile of crap

Originally posted by Sillyneck
if anyone wants the $80 special i can do that too. but you aren't getting any complete welds or an ounce of grinding

metal = $50 (that's w/ discount...sorry dat da price here)
3 grinding wheels = $7.50
use of 1 flap disc (1/4 of $12) = $3
2 sawzall blades - 1 extreme and 1 dewalt - $8
2 - d rings = $10
Welding wired, Gas and tips - at least $15.
1 can flat black - $2

Grand total= $95.50

Figure it took me 3 hours....well that's only $50 an hour. I cover my @$$ and that's it. If you're a do it yourselfer w/ nothing constructive to say well scoot. I don't want to hear it and any potential business does not need to hear it. Thanks

Originally posted by SeaBass44


I think I was clear...........

.................................................. .............................."I told Phil (aka: SillyNeck) that I wanted a "stinger" and a bullet proof stubby bumper that was welded to the frame to become part of the rig itself. I don't like big cumbersome looking bumpers, so a custom job is the only way to go"........

I thought the stubby bumper was the tube deal - hey - I'm not a zuk man :flipoff2:

maybe my sweet photo chops should be in the review :D helps make sense of the matter ;)

Silly fab rear anti wrap bar

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Nice work sillyfab! -
Dont justify your prices- people whom always work for others (for the most part) usally have no clue as to the actual costs of running a business. I for one judge what I make against what my wife makes (Ca state emp.) After crunching numbers to include vacation-med benfits-retirement-vision-dental-sick days, and last but not least on the job workmans comp- my figures say that she actually makes in the neighborhood of 46-48 an hour hmmmm I only charge $45 an hour , and I have no benefits, I liquidated all of my retirement for tools & equiptment, AND if somebody rolls in one of my cages not only can I be sued , and lose everything BUT you can go to prison for criminal negligence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Makes me wonder what the fuck I'm doing sometimes---the reality is that working for someone else is a good deal - business is a lifestyle choice.

oh one last thing "self employment taxes" oh yeah wanna talk about paying more once again than the "working Joe"

off my soap box now,
weldpro

Originally posted by Sillyneck
maybe my sweet photo chops should be in the review :D helps make sense of the matter ;)

See - that's what I'm talking about! How about some boobies too? Is that too much to ask?? :D

Those pics weren't too clear that you had build a bumper and that tube guard. That was my only beef - $250 for a single hoop. Who could blame me for wondering about that kinda pricing?? :D:D

I don't build anything but "light bars" (cages) that's what my disclaimer/ release says...they are for asthetic reasons and serve no aid in a roll over.

bumpers and stuff I don;t really care about but I should cause if someone killed someone else w/ it then I'd be liable for f-ing w/ the crumple zones...and I say what's the problem...I made the other vehicle my crumple zone :D

Originally posted by Sillyneck
what's the problem...I made the other vehicle my crumple zone :D :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

welndmn & silly

The anti wrap bars I have done have a shackle on the top with the bar mounted at the top of the shackle and the bottom of the shackle mounted to the crossmember to allow for the shackle movement on the springs. Does that work well without it? Not to put it down but it seems like it would limit travel and bind.

Your shate looks tight Silly, dont listen to peoples criticisms unless they are truly constructive.
Screw justifying your prices too.
Even though there was a "misunderstanding".
That write up was pretty clear, and that IS a smokin deal.

All you guys that have buddies do shit should go out and buy your own equipment and see what the REAL cost of fabbing stuff is.

Otherwise sit down and SHUT UP.

:flipoff2:

MJ

Originally posted by EBSTEVE
welndmn & silly

The anti wrap bars I have done have a shackle on the top with the bar mounted at the top of the shackle and the bottom of the shackle mounted to the crossmember to allow for the shackle movement on the springs. Does that work well without it? Not to put it down but it seems like it would limit travel and bind.

no bind...it's all about the install. ya gotta be a pimip :D

Originally posted by EBSTEVE
welndmn & silly

The anti wrap bars I have done have a shackle on the top with the bar mounted at the top of the shackle and the bottom of the shackle mounted to the crossmember to allow for the shackle movement on the springs. Does that work well without it? Not to put it down but it seems like it would limit travel and bind.

It's not going to bind it enough to be noticeable, if you have that much travel you'll need links to control the movement of the axxle, not a track bar. I've seen them mounted to the bottom of a shackle, but not the top. Works the same, I guess as long as the shackle is prefectly vertical. A hanging shackle might make install easier.

I've built the shackle style enough times to know I hate it. Here's the thing I try to kill by building my traction bar. axle movement forward and backward in an uncontrolled manner. Like when the suspension droops and the axle walks forward...the shackle will allow that if not executed to perfection...and it still may after that. My style keeps the springs alive...hell it may as well be a link. although the objective is.....well I can't tell you :D you unless you buy one ;)

On the shackle Bar....It SHOULD NOT BE PERFECTLY VERTICAL..unless your bar is perfectly level.

The shackle should be at an exact 90 degree angle from the bar, if the bar is angled up then the shackle will not be vertical...follow me..this is the only way to make sure it works "perfectly"

I didnt know you started a buisness.... I know as well what it costs to run a buisness and its very expensive. Not only do you have expendables but ..

Insurance for the buisness
Registration with BAR
Rent
Advertising
its a huge amount of money just to make a buck or two.


Mike-

just trying to pay my way through college. no business just barter work. ;)

Silly does do great work, his done a bunch of work on my rig.

Phil I'll take 2 bumpers and an antiwrap bar.;)

Originally posted by Sillyneck


no bind...it's all about the install. ya gotta be a pimip :D
I will take your word for it and maybe someday I will make it down to wheel with well done man and can see it in action one other thing did you wire your rock lights with spare jumper cables or is that just over kill at it's best ;)

Shit Cost Money:

Miller Matic 250 Welder $1855

Bottle $160

Helmet $160

hypertherm 600 Plasma $1800

Oxy-Fuel Rig $350

Good Chop Saw $250

Grinder $150

Welding Class $675

Cerification $150

Tube Bender $600

Notcher $160

Press Brake attachment for Hydro Press $300

Press $500

Laughing at people who complain about fab work being too expensive but who can't do if for themselves: Priceless!

Being able to make beatiful welds, even more priceless.

You have to pay to play,

Don't justy your prices. They will pay.

-Stumbaugh

here is the trac bar on my turd.
http://www.wt4wheeling.com/welndmn/images/misc/cruiser.jpg
http://www.wt4wheeling.com/welndmn/images/misc/cruiser2.jpg
jiMMy

JIMMY WTF?!?!? Mark already posted those on pg 1 :rolleyes:

oh well, i didnt go to teh front page. my bad! jiMMy

its ok I'd wanna show it off too ;) mmm beefy

Are you going to hire the fatties to run the office for you?:flipoff2:

grinding welds is :rainbow:

:)

Silly, you need to make rover parts. That bumper would be 750 if it was on a rover and had 4 holes for a winch.

Ron

that bumper is 250 on a rover...i could care less...granted I am hammered right now ....but hey, what was I talking about :D anyways...gimme dimensions...and or a rover and I got your shit covered bro! be da man rolling pimp stuff on the rover!

Originally posted by 46willys
On the shackle Bar....It SHOULD NOT BE PERFECTLY VERTICAL..unless your bar is perfectly level.

The shackle should be at an exact 90 degree angle from the bar, if the bar is angled up then the shackle will not be vertical...follow me..this is the only way to make sure it works "perfectly"



Umm that's what I meant. I suppose "perepndicular to the top bar of the trac bar" would have been more appropriate. I also think that there should be braces/gussets between the two bars on a "ladder bar" set up.

Originally posted by Stumbaugh
Shit Cost Money:

Miller Matic 250 Welder $1855

Bottle $160

Helmet $160

hypertherm 600 Plasma $1800

Oxy-Fuel Rig $350

Good Chop Saw $250

Grinder $150

Welding Class $675

Cerification $150

Tube Bender $600

Notcher $160

Press Brake attachment for Hydro Press $300

Press $500

Laughing at people who complain about fab work being too expensive but who can't do if for themselves: Priceless!

Being able to make beatiful welds, even more priceless.

You have to pay to play,

Don't justy your prices. They will pay.

-Stumbaugh


He's got like 4 of the things you mentioned, none of which cost as much as the prices you posted.
- Phil, glad to see you cleared up the whole "business issue." Being legit is legit and you pay for it, hence your customers have to pay for it. I know with contracting, we get real pissed with guys that operate illegally, don't pay the taxes,workers comp, liability insurance..........then come in and undercut our bids.

Nice looking work!! Seems like the "littlest" task takes so much time sometimes. I wish I only had $600 in my bender!!! I got $1300.00 and counting as I order more dies!! I really don't wanna know what $$$ I got In my shop for tools, Hell my Lathe was 3,000 by itself!! One thing though I did convert it to Hydro. myself :p We'll I'll step up to the criticism when I mail you your shock hoops I'm gonna build ya.... (gotta order my flame suit now).....ROFLMAO.....:D ;)

PS: Good work Sillyfab..... :beer: :beer:

Originally posted by Shaker
Nice looking work!! Seems like the "littlest" task takes so much time sometimes. I wish I only had $600 in my bender!!! I got $1300.00 and counting as I order more dies!! I really don't wanna know what $$$ I got In my shop for tools, Hell my Lathe was 3,000 by itself!! One thing though I did convert it to Hydro. myself :p We'll I'll step up to the criticism when I mail you your shock hoops I'm gonna build ya.... (gotta order my flame suit now).....ROFLMAO.....:D ;)

PS: Good work Sillyfab..... :beer: :beer:

thanks

and BOY does he need shock hoops...right now it's like a 1/4" 2" flat bar w/ a stud sticking out and no gussetts :D bwahahahha it sux....sorry for the spelling...hung over and lazy ;)

Phil all you need to do is post some pics of the scout and you'll have people lined up from all over....... i've never seen anyone bust out crazyer sh!t than SillyFab.... ComAWn people start giving phil $$$ so he can finish school..and pimp on da ladies... you need pay so Silly can play!!:D :usa:

Originally posted by 460scoutawndubs
Phil all you need to do is post some pics of the scout and you'll have people lined up from all over....... i've never seen anyone bust out crazyer sh!t than SillyFab.... ComAWn people start giving phil $$$ so he can finish school..and pimp on da ladies... you need pay so Silly can play!!:D :usa:

damn skippy! :D

Holy crap! $650 for this!!!!!!and that's without the D rings($750)

This is one I just finished.....

Metal,bolts,paint,toggle clamp, hinge= $110
Labor=300

Grand total= $410

Originally posted by 460scoutawndubs
Phil all you need to do is post some pics of the scout and you'll have people lined up from all over....... i've never seen anyone bust out crazyer sh!t than SillyFab.... ComAWn people start giving phil $$$ so he can finish school..and pimp on da ladies... you need pay so Silly can play!!:D :usa:


I'm doin' my part to help him out :D :flipoff2: :D :flipoff2:

yea my rear racks will hold over 1k lbs and not flex ;) and they are WAY cheaper!

Here is a pic of my older design bumper. My new one uses a different tapered roller bearing pivot with a 2000 pound trailer axle. Its nicer and dont block tailights at all. Also my new design used a 1"x1" solid square stock spring loaded latching mechanism. If you are interested check out the site for more pics and info

http://www.backcountrybinders.com/images/BryanBumpFinish2.jpg

http://www.backcountrybinders.com/images/BackWoodsBumperPressRelease.jpg