Thats right I said front output. I have been talking to the guys at Novak about building a 32 spline, HD front output. It will be made out of 8426 gear steel which their machinest has told me is much stronger than the stock metal. He mentioned that it would probably come with a bigger bearing and seal and the kit will be in the 200 dollar range. In order to make this kit they have to purchase a machining tool that has a high cost associated with it so we have to spread this out over as many people as possible. He said that if we can get 10 people on the list for them, they will be able to give it to us in the 200 dollar range. We already have 4 people who are going to be put on the list and maybe a 5th.

If you are interested and want to ask questions or want to be put on the list, Please call Eric at Novak Adapters 877-602-1500.

Be sure to ask for Eric as he is the one setting this up. The more people that want these, the better the price will get more than likely.

Also they do offer 32 spline inputs and are about to release there 32 spline rear output kit, all made of the better steel. With a twin stick and a Low gear set, kind of makes an atlas look less apealing doesn't it?

OH HELL YA! The dana 300 just keeps gettin cooler all the time;)

Stock d300, $200+ or -
4 to 1 low range, about $800
HD Rear output, about $500
HD Front output, about $200+
Twin Stick, about $150(?)
Rebuild Kit $???
So your at around 1800 bucks and the 300 gears are a half times smaller then an Atlas(I just destroyed a tera 4to1 set).

I think the Atlas is more "appealing" and stronger too.:flipoff2:

I can get the low gears shipped to my door for 550, I can get the rear output for 339 and the twin stick for 129, front output for around 200 , input for probably less than that so I am still only at a 1400 for everything Including hidden costs. Pull the interlocks and have front high which you dont get from the atlas. As for strength I am running a 231 with a 4 to 1 with 40s and havnt had a problem. We all know that the 300 is stronger than the 231. You can break anything if you try hard enough but I think that the 300 is a great choice all the way around and is better than the atlas when you consider the price tag.

Originally posted by jeeper111
I have been talking to the guys at Novak about building a 32 spline, HD front output. He said that if we can get 10 people on the list for them, they will be able to give it to us in the 200 dollar range.

Good job jeeper.

How long did it take for you to convince them to mfg this shaft?

What do you think the lead time would be once an order is placed?

More like...

Dana 300: I already have one

4 to 1 gears: $700 without any hookups:rolleyes: more like $600

Rear 32spline output: $350

Front 32spline output:$200

twinstick: I can build it myself:flipoff2:

I get $1200 to $1300 that's half the price of an Atlas II:roxy:

I am not sure on the lead time. You will have to ask Eric at Novak but I would guess sometime around a month and the more people that call him the faster it will get done from what he told me. AS for convincing him it really didnt take much. I told him what I wanted and he simply responded " hey thats a great idea" and then he ran off to checkout what all would be involved.

The d300 is a great tcase and can handle alot of abuse. I dropped alot a bucks into the one I had(everything but the front output) and still broke it. So now I have a few salavageable parts from a broken 300 and an Atlas on the way. I just wish I had coughed up the extra bucks for the Atlas the frist time but I'm not trying to tell you what to do, as if I could anyway.

This isn't one of those "group buy" sort-a-things, is it?:D

no its not a group buy. We just need to show Novak that there is enough support for this kit before they are willing to buy the tool and spread the cost.

What part of your T-case blew up ?

Jeeper, where are you getting the rear 32-spline for $339?

J. J.

Hell, you can get into a 241-C with 32-spline front and rear outputs for around 400 bucks. Add $275 for an SYE and another 30 bucks for the front output and you're good to go...

My $.02 USD,
Jake

Originally posted by jeeper111


What part of your T-case blew up ?

Stripped some teeth off a gear, they went between two others, pushing them apart and cracked the case.

-snip-Jeeper, where are you getting the rear 32-spline for $339? -snip-

I'd like to know that too.
Three weeks ago, I paid over 500 bucks for the rear output from AA.

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama
Hell, you can get into a 241-C with 32-spline front and rear outputs for around 400 bucks. Add $275 for an SYE and another 30 bucks for the front output and you're good to go...

My $.02 USD,
Jake

Does a 241-C have the same round bolt pattern that a d300 does?

J. J.

Originally posted by patooyee


Does a 241-C have the same round bolt pattern that a d300 does?

J. J.

I think so. I'm not sure what's on a D300, but the 241 has a the same round six-bolt pattern as a TJ or YJ Wrangler...

Mine came with a 27-spline input that fits a 700R4. I switched it to 32-splines to fit a Chevy NV4500, but If you found one that came stock with an NV4500, you wouldn't even have to change that. Only bad thing about the 241-C is that it comes with a really long 1330 drive flange on the front. I just removed that flange, chopped it in two, and, using the rear portion as a spacer/bearing contact surface, bolted on a cheap 32-spline yoke just like the one on the rear. It's still quite a bit longer, but not near as long as a flanged connection. I was able to retain my same front driveshaft when I swapped in the NV4500 and 241-C. at the same time...

Jake

Only bad thing about the 241-C is that it comes with a really long 1330 drive flange on the front.

You forgot to mention that it's chain driven:flipoff2:

I"ll stick to my gears thanks;)

Originally posted by desertCJ


You forgot to mention that it's chain driven:flipoff2:

I"ll stick to my gears thanks;)

Yeah. But at least it's a BIG chain. :flipoff2:

I'll give you that;)

I didnt get on here to argue about t-cases. If you are interested for yourself or you would just like to see the kit out there for people to enjoy. Call eric at Novak 877-602-1500. I just talked with him and he said that he is going to go ahead and start advertising the part on his website and order the tools to make it. Also he said that the kit would include a yoke and if they could drum up enough orders it would be around 160-170 for it. Everyone needs to call in and at least tell them that you think its a great idea and if you would want one by all means call and tell them that. You wouldn't have to pay until about a week before they were shipped.

This is just one more option for 4 wheelers to build a good t-case.

The guys at novak also just mentioned that there 32 spline rear output will shorten the t-case to the length of a dana 20 and it will only costaround 280 dollars. just thought everyone would like to know. Those guys at novak are bad ass.

Wow, that's ccol Jeeper. If i had a 300 i would definitely order one of those... too bad i already put in the 205. Ohh well...

Well as far as pyro breaking teeth off of the gears and breaking the case, I would like to know what circumstances that happened in? Up until this point I have only heard of the output shafts breaking on the 300. You can break anything depending on the circumstances, but this is the first time I have heard of the low gears going. Besides it matters how much gearing you have before and after the t-case. If you have alot of gearing after the t-case then it makes things so much easier for the case. Also if you have extremely deep gears before the case, it makes it harder to get tires spinning and start hopping around, which I would imagine are the things that kill t-cases. I personally will be running a klune V 2.72 and a 420 before the t-case which will provide that really deep gearing and I will be running 6.72s after the t-case so I think that will equate to an easier time on the low gear set that will not be under pressure when I am doing things like bumping it hard seeing as I have the 2.72 klune V. The 4:1 gears will only be for deep crawling which is always easier on the drivetrain then using the go pedal. For this reason I think that the 300 with the front high option allowing me to have two different front lows when you consider the klune, is a better option from a money stand point and from an options standpoint.

-snip-Well as far as pyro breaking teeth off of the gears and breaking the case, I would like to know what circumstances that happened in? Up until this point I have only heard of the output shafts breaking on the 300.-snip-

I run a 421cu.in. small block chevy, 435 HP, close to 500lbs torque through a SM465 to the Dana 300. Broke 3 outputs, installed the AA HD output, then spun the gears. I was smoke'n the tires(38.5 SX) in my driveway when the gears broke. Why? do you think that's to much abuse for a 300? :D ,,,,,,, Oh well, the Atlas should be here the end of next week and I swaped to propane so the power should be toned down to about 400HP :D

You still didn't say where these 339 buck rear outputs are coming from(?).

You will have to ask swamper502 as he is the guy who gets me everything. Why is that? Because he is the guy who can find the best price on anything. I cant even believe the deals he comes accross sometimes! It is insane, so after seeing this time and time again, I decided to let him find stuff for me. Thats what having good wheeling friends is for. It is sort of a trade off, He finds me stuff and he can come use my shop (well really it is an apartment but it feels like a shop with all the tools and steel laying around in my kitchen). I think but I am not sure that he was going to get it through jesse at highangle. He also found the 4 to 1 gears for 550 shipped to our door. I however will not be getting the advanced kit because it doesnt shorten you T-case like the Novak one that is about to come out, plus it is only 280 bucks. I have been nothing but impressed with those guys at novak. You can tell that they are thinkers. They dont just try to make adapters and kits like this. They think about how to improve things at the same time. Like my 420 to 231 adapter is only 3 inches long as opposed to the advanced one that is 5 1/2. I am not saying that the advanced stuff isnt good. It just seems like the guys at Novak are just a little more clever when it comes to designing and they take into account that we all want to fit as much drivetrain as possible in our rigs. For instance, I will be running a ranger overdrive to a 420 to their 23 spline 231 adapter to a klune V 2.72 to the 300 with 4 to 1 and 32spline everywhere to rockwells. That is alot of drivetrain but I will be able to fit (I hope!!)

Sorry for the shameless plug. Nothing against Advance. The ranger is bad ass!!

P.S. I told you it would have to be wierd circumstances. Build it bulletproff and then baby it and it will last forever or at least for a long time.

-snip-Build it bulletproff and then baby it and it will last forever or at least for a long time.-snip-

Baby it???? I don't think so. Build it bulletproof, beat it down and then build it bombproof.

BTW, I like Novak too, Eric is good with his customers. I waited over a year for thier HD rear output (and broke 3 stock outputs waiting)but just couldn't wait any longer. I used a custom drilled Novak 465 to 300 adapter.

I dont know about you but I would like to reach a pint where
I dont have to build this thing anymore. I am tired of spending my weekends wrenching. I want to go wheel. So I will build it bulletproof or bombproof or whatever and then I will baby it. And by baby it I dont mean avoid the hard obstacles or anything stupid lik that. I just mean I wont do things like burn out my 42s in my drivway until I blow my T-case into little bits. You know what I mean. :roxy:

I also dont want to spend all the money that I am going to make for the rest of my life on this piece of shit.

:smokin: :rasta: :D :flipoff2: :confused: :rainbow:

piece of shit.

Yes it is...

Originally posted by jeeper111
I just mean I wont do things like burn out my 42s in my drivway until I blow my T-case into little bits.

It's called "testing", I'd rather it break 20 feet from my shop then 20 miles out in the lava flow. :flipoff2:

BTW, I've never had a rig that I was done building, it's just not the nature of the sport.

Dont tell me that. I know it is true but I am still in denial!

Originally posted by jeeper111
I can get the low gears shipped to my door for 550, I can get the rear output for 339 and the twin stick for 129, front output for around 200 , input for probably less than that so I am still only at a 1400 for everything Including hidden costs. Pull the interlocks and have front high which you dont get from the atlas. As for strength I am running a 231 with a 4 to 1 with 40s and havnt had a problem. We all know that the 300 is stronger than the 231. You can break anything if you try hard enough but I think that the 300 is a great choice all the way around and is better than the atlas when you consider the price tag.


Jepper 111 may I ask WHY you are so content in having front high???
worthless if you ask me - I mean it is cool if you can do it for free.. but IMO it is not somthing that I would even consider in choosing drivetrain

Austin, its for using a line lock to pivot the front end around stuff. If you are wheeling with the Klune-V in low, and the tcase in hi, then all you have to do is yank the rear shifter to neutral, and hit the line lock, and go. If you only have front LOW, then you have to pull the rear into neutral, and pull the front into low, then pivot, quite a bit more slowly now unless you also shift the Klune back into hi, then whe your done, you have to do all that over again in reverse order...

Also, Pussy111 lives in Alaska, and on the ice, front wheel drive is easier to manage in certain situations, so running in front-hi would be beneficial. I use my front-hi all the time, i dig it...

elf-loser is right. The front wheel drive high does help when you are driving around on the ice. And seeing as I will have rockwells with detroits I will need all the options I can get to get me around on the ice.:rasta:

Originally posted by jeeper111
he said that he is going to go ahead and start advertising the part on his website and order the tools to make it. Also he said that the kit would include a yoke and if they could drum up enough orders it would be around 160-170 for it.

The guys at novak also just mentioned that there 32 spline rear output will shorten the t-case to the length of a dana 20 and it will only costaround 280 dollars.

Thought I'd resurrect this since it's been about a year. Has any of this ever come to pass? The only rear outputs I'm aware of are Tera's and Advance's and neither appear to offer a front output upgrade. I can't find any info on a front OR rear upgrade on Novak or JB Conversions websites. Anybody have an update on the Novak 32 spline front and rear outputs?

I called JB a few months ago about the front, and they said they would have some in a few months, havent tried back yet.

just call novak, I am pretty sure they have the kit and it is just not on there site.

Originally posted by jeeper111
just call novak, I am pretty sure they have the kit and it is just not on there site.

If someone does call Novak and they have them, please post it here with a price.

J. J.

Alrighty then, I just spoke to Eric. Prototypes are done, tooling is done, and they just bought a new machine so they can produce these. It'll be 6 weeks or so until they get the machine setup, program it, and get up to speed. No word on pricing yet until get a feel for machining costs. Interesting tidbit on the rear output, the tail housing is only 1.6" long :eek: They pulled this off by switching to an electronic speedo. If I understood correctly they'll offer a converter for those who wish to retain a mechanical speedo. Current rear output design is for the later (long tailhousing) D300, but they will try accomodate the early (short tailhousing) style as well which includes the Scout D300. I guess we'll know more in about 6 weeks :)

I knew I kept you around for something... ;)

Hmmmm shorter output = more driveline. Speedo? what's that? Good news for Mark

PYRO, hope you are not under the impression that an atlas is bombproof, just because it is stronger than a 300.

Didn't read every detail of some of the long replys, but if it wasn't mentioned... call Jesse at Highangle for the low price mentioned on the HD rear output. :D

I saw another Klune blow a main shaft at Farmington. She popped it on #2 or 3. Who drives the gray Toy? Atlas 3.0 or 3.8 $1950

If anyone calls Novak, let them know there's one more interested customer .... especially if it comes in at the $200 range.

cm "wish it was available right now before I bolt everything back together" k

There is mention of a Front output shaft upgrade earlier in this thread. It is in stock and available at www.jbconversions.com. Cost for the kit is $150.00 while they last. The shaft is the same 32 spline as used in the NP205, NP241, and AtlasII.

With "connections" I could fully build a d300 for less than $1000 :flipoff2: even though I found an Atlas 3.8 for $900 ( and bought it) I would have still purchased an Atlas at full price, to not run a d300 with a gear set... just my oppinion

LoMax,

Sent an email asking for a price on the D300 HD rear output ....

Novak has them as well...mine is waiting to go in, quality looks good.

Are the Novak and JB kits the same kit?

This should probably go into a new thread about blowing up Dana 300 4 to 1 gears but since it was discussed here: I blew my Terra set on the street in third gear high range running font axle only while accelerating hard. Of course I have an uprated 6BT cummins in my Scout.
The heavy duty output is a waste of money if you have the Tera gears in my opinion. My gears gave out before my stock dana 44 front axle or my stock output shaft. The terra gears are two piece and are prone to failure.

The price for the front output shaft kit is $150.00. We have 200 in stock so we are pricing them to move. The comment regarding the Tera gears may be true but I promise you the LoMax gears are in a different league. If you need some comparisons to ease your mind check out the photos on the web site for the front output shaft and the gears; www.jbconversions.com.

Originally posted by LoMax
The price for the front output shaft kit is $150.00. We have 200 in stock so we are pricing them to move. The comment regarding the Tera gears may be true but I promise you the LoMax gears are in a different league. If you need some comparisons to ease your mind check out the photos on the web site for the front output shaft and the gears; www.jbconversions.com.

I really like the fact you guys make your gears in one piece. Too bad you don't offer the 6 spline bull gear so all us Scout guys could buy them from you. Is is not economecal to just change one spline to open up that market?

It would be a good idea for us to do we just haven't done it yet. The next gear run would be a good time to run that version. Good suggestion. Do you think there is a high enought demand for the production of 200 gears minimum production? I'm not in touch with that group of guys so any suggestions would be appreciated.

Originally posted by troutbum
Novak has them as well...mine is waiting to go in, quality looks good.
We're running the new NOVAK 32 spline front and [supershort] rear outpts in the Mountain Goat's dana 300 and have been pounding the SNOT out of the rig since before supercrawl with nary a whimper from the t-case (finally!). The side benefit to the short rear shaft is that it helped my driveshaft angles. You'll have to call Novak to confirm this, but the production units should be out now and they will fit any dana 300.

Originally posted by Charly
Are the Novak and JB kits the same kit?
No. Novak has the short rear output.

We aren't producing (for sale) a rear output that uses an electronic VSS. We did produce the short version SYE for the 231 with an electronic VSS and we made two for the Dana 300. The reason we didn't make the Dana300 short version for production is purely due to demand. For vehicles like the mountaingoat, it is perfect but for most vehicles still running the Dana 300 (Jeep CJ's), their driveline angles aren't bad enough to require it and their speedo's are still mechanical making a conventional HD tailshaft kit a bit easier to work with.

Rocksforbrains; Are you running our LoMax 4to1 gears in your tcase?

Originally posted by ROCKSFORBRAINS

No. Novak has the short rear output.

I was asking about the front kit actually. It's obvious the rears are different.

Our Front Output shaft uses the same 32 spline design as the rear HD kits. I believe the Novak Front shaft uses the 32 spline also. You can read more on our shaft kit ($150.00) at www.jbconversions.com; Product page.

LoMax,

You & I have talked to each others answering machines. I will try to call you Monday morning. If not, then Tuesday for sure. Please set a D300 32 spline front aside for me.

Thanks
~JM~

Does the front kit come with a 1350 yoke? And if not, can it?

Charly;
To be honest, Ihaven't tried it. The yoke spline will fit fine. I just need to take a look and see if the larger outer dimensions of the yoke will clear the rest of the Dana 300. I think it will work but I will check first.
John

The Novak kit will work well with a 1350 yoke, and it is supplied with kit. I know that their shafts are made in the US of A which is a big bonus! Will never break!

The 1350 yoke fits fine on the JB shaft kit. By request, we can supply that yoke also.

Our shafts are made in Michigan by one of the larger gear cutters in the country so I guess that qualifies for the quality question.