I am thinking abotu stepping up from my 36" swampers for some 37" MTR's. Does anyone have anythign abd to say abvout them, and why I should stay with the TSL's?

DImitri

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That's the best i can do

Some people have said the sidewall is weak, others have said it's plenty strong.

I got 'em anyway.

a radial will never be as strong as a bias tire

I found a set brand new in Redwood City for $189 mounted and balanced. That is looking REALLY good to me right about now. I think I am gonna step up from my 36's now. I just hope my drivetrain can handle it.

Dimitri

To be honest I just dont' understand teh MTR craze:rolleyes: In my opinion they are in inferior tire to a swamper unless you are driving a lot of street miles and then I still say that swampers are better offroad:D Just look at the damn things.... how can they be as good in mud or rocks for that matter. The only place I see them really working is on slick rock like moab or farmington. I'd keep the swampers:D

pretty sure they will be lighter than your 36's so it shouldn't be much harder on the drivetrain. For that price I would already own them but man it almost sounds too good to be true, sure they're not stolen?
BTW I also agree with desertCJ in that it's currently a trendy tire although a pretty decent one at that but I really don't think they are the end all that some people make them out to be.

42's :flipoff2:

stick with the swampers. or upgrade to a 38 sx

Originally posted by desertCJ
To be honest I just dont' understand teh MTR craze

I believe this is due largely to that fact that the ARCA guys get them supa cheap. something along those lines, anyways

Ya too bad most of them switch back to swampers when they aren't in a Competition:flipoff2:

Decided to save my money and stick with the 's for now. Gonna step up to the 38's pretty soon though.

Dimitri

Well heres my 02...

In JV they kicked ass of the top 8 , 7 had mtrs
In Amador they kicked ass
In rock they heat up and fly up stuff..
They work good in snow

Ive never seen a swamper start smoking then hook and launch up shit...

mike-

We just tried them out in the goopy gummy mud up here this last weekend. I was truely amazed. They clean great, and still stick. They wheeled circles around my 38 sx's. I now know what the craze is all about, and if you don't, it's cause you haven't tried them yet. :flipoff2:

Just keep tellin yourself that;) That way you won't feel like you wasted your money on the MTR:rasta: cus there is NO way that an MTR is better than a swamper in mud:rolleyes: and if they are why aren't the mud bog guys running MTR's:rasta:

i totaly agree with the mtr being over rated. they are in the mags thats why they are popular. the reason there in the mags is cause goodyear basically gives them away to the guys competing in comps for the press. id put them on my daily driver/tow rig but ill keep swampers and boggers on my wheelers. a radial offroad tire is a compramise they 1/2 suck on road and 1/2 suck offroad. thats why i run the ats on my tow/daily and the boggers on my offroad rig, besides 37 is just to small :flipoff2:

I moved from 35" MTRs to 36" TSLs. I also ran 34" TSLs and 33" SSRs before them.

The MTRs are a great tire in the rocks. They don't grip as well as the TSLs (either size), and don't sidehill nearly as well. In fact, I was thoroughly disappointed with the MTRs sidehilling capability, until I grooved the inner lugs.
In mud, real mud, the MTRs are an AT compared to the TSL. Anyone stating otherwise is :smokin: :rasta: :smokin:
I do like their sidewalls though; I never managed to gash them, and I tried, alot.
The TSLs' sidewalls seem more succeptable to minor cuts, but not to the point of losing the sidewall.

I wish the 38x12.50 SX were a true 38 (or at least 37"), that'd be the next tire.
I'm hoping the 37x12 Claw measures a true 37 too..., that'd be a niiice tire.

My .02 on it is they are popular in competition because they are lighter and smaller than the swampers most of the rigs were built to run. So they break far less parts using them, and even if the tire performs slighly inferior(i am not sure that they do personly) not breaking shit really helps in comps so that you don't time out etc. Also the driving style in competition is far different than trail driving, And the tall skinny light tire seams to work better for "rock racing" than a big heavy swamper.
I have swampers, and have had bfg's i would like to try a set of mtr's but the thing that stops me from selling them is i think they might just be a trend.

Whats up with the new bfg rock crawling tire, have not read much about them.

Ian-

I don't think there is *any* way that a radial tire with a good, but not overly aggressive pattern can be better than a bias-ply, dedicated offroad tire. If they're for wheeling only, I say go with the Swampers and forget about it....*but*...if you daily drive your rig, then the 37's are one of the biggest radial tires you can find, they're (now) decently priced, and the pattern is proven.

Originally posted by desertCJ
Just keep tellin yourself that;) That way you won't feel like you wasted your money on the MTR:rasta: cus there is NO way that an MTR is better than a swamper in mud:rolleyes: and if they are why aren't the mud bog guys running MTR's:rasta:

:rolleyes: I have ran both.. in fact I have ran many tires.... I also compete and wheel for fun. Just so you know I had my SX's still... my tires where through a sponsorship. Know what?? I sold the SX's. in the goo the traction was the same on the rocks they where superior. I'm buying a spare set of MTR's the ONLY disadvantage from the SX is a weaker sidewall! so until you have ran both.... your opinion does not mean shit....

your opinion does not mean shit....

Thanks for your opinion:rolleyes:

Just because I have never ran MTRs doesn't mean that I have never seen some one spinning them while they go no where:D This is not all circumstances because %95 of the people I see on the trail AND in competitions are running too much air in their tires to even know if the tires hook up or not.

in the goo the traction was the same

If this is true then we should see some MTRs poppin up in the mud bog circles soon huh:rasta:

Originally posted by desertCJ

If this is true then we should see some MTRs poppin up in the mud bog circles soon huh:rasta:

Maybe if they started making the MTRs in a 44 or 48? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by desertCJ
If this is true then we should see some MTRs poppin up in the mud bog circles soon huh:rasta:

Not necessarily...
As Tex will tell you, since he's a regular on the mud racing scene, the SX is not a popular tire in that venue.
That being said, the TSL is miles ahead of the MTR in the mud... I can't image the 1/8" the SX gives up in tread depth gives up that much ground to the MTR. I have run the MTR in the mud, is sucks ass, but not as bad as a read AT, or it's predecessor the GY MT. The MTR is not as good in the mud as BFG MT.

so until you have ran both.... your opinion does not mean shit....

Couldn't have thought of a better way to word it if I tried all day. My partner (I spot for) Buddy has run both TSLs and MTRs on his Jeep.

Simply put, for rocks the MTRs worked better. They stick better on dry rock, wet rock, muddy rock, loose rock, you name it. They are very soft and conform well at 10lbs to any obstacle.

This past weekend in ERocC 4 out of the top 5 (including us in 5th) ran MTRs. The only exception- 1st -Ken Shupe with his prototype BFGs. Those tires are very soft and with the way Ken grooved them they bit hard (but he can drive too:D )

On a side note we are not sponsored and payed full ($169/tire)for the 37" MTRs. Until you have had them on your rig you can't tell the difference. We also tried to cut them before the comp to test strength, they held up.

MTRs work, plain and simple, I wouldn't call them a fad unless you've run them

When MTRs first came out I was in a comp. in Montrose. On the final day, we were out, so I watched. There was one obstacle that hardly anybody was making, people just couldnt get hooked-up. Then the first MTR rig came by, and cleaned it. I said hmmm. Lucky? More Interco rigs struggled. Another MTR rig aced it. Hmmm. Coincidense? The pattern continued. I follwed the pack all day and ended the day being really impressed with the MTRs.

I'm sure they aren't as good in mud, but most on this bbs aren't into mud, for rocks I think they are hard to beat.

I don't run either YET. However who cares how they hook-up on the mud. Its rock crawling we care about here, not mud bogging! LOL

We put 35" MTR's on our jeep and I seem to like them. We are not hardcore anything, but we have made it through mud, snow, rock and sand. Now they dont flatten out like a swamper but they do hold their own.

Now they dont flatten out like a swamper but they do hold their own

Could you please explain this statement?

If you are speaking of when aired down then I beg to differ. the MTR, being a radial tire, flattens and conforms better, while at higher pressures, than a comparative bias (swamper for example). At low pressures MTRs will go flat.

Please explain:confused: :confused: :confused:

Having run both, I would say the MTR's run circles around the swampers. Haven't run a bogger yet, so no comment there...

I plan on running the MTR to, as a spare:flipoff2: . I have torn to many side walls out of radials to go that way again, my next tire will be the SX because I wont have to worry about them. I guess its the piece of mind that the SX gives excellent traction on all types of terrain and I wont be stuck on the side of the trail for an hour trying to get my radials to hold air again using 30 plugs or wire to sew up the side wall.:mad: The other thing to consider when you look at the statistics of all these rigs doing good in the comps on the MTRs is that if 75% of the people were running BFGs then they would probably finisn high to. Just my .02

Bias rocks:p

The other thing to consider when you look at the statistics of all these rigs doing good in the comps on the MTRs is that if 75% of the people were running BFGs then they would probably finisn high to. Just my .02

Good point, those prototype BFG's are tight;)

Really I get your point, but honestly we had a guy behind us running TSLs with a similar rig. On a few occasions he took the exact same line (we were ahead of him) and slipped and slid all over the rocks where we crawled and 0'd the obstacle. Just my .02

Originally posted by SNORTclown


:rolleyes: I have ran both.. in fact I have ran many tires.... I also compete and wheel for fun. Just so you know I had my SX's still... my tires where through a sponsorship. Know what?? I sold the SX's. in the goo the traction was the same on the rocks they where superior. I'm buying a spare set of MTR's the ONLY disadvantage from the SX is a weaker sidewall! so until you have ran both.... your opinion does not mean shit....


sell out :flipoff2:


this is the reason MTR are so popular guys. goodyear sponsors the top competiors to tell you this. the magazines cover the storys and put there pics in print and all of a sudden everybody thinks a radial tire is great off road.

fyi goodyear is giving AJ racing something like 6 sets of mtr to run on the class 8 desert truck so soon i will be yaping about how they are so tough in desert racing instead of telling ya the truth. which is they pop easy. :D

Originally posted by camo

fyi goodyear is giving AJ racing something like 6 sets of mtr to run on the class 8 desert truck so soon i will be yaping about how they are so tough in desert racing instead of telling ya the truth. which is they pop easy. :D

That's the venue I would want to run MT/Rs. Throw a set on my race rig and soak up the holes in the course that I fall into with my widdle 31x15.50 Terras.

Swampers are a bit heavy for that type of racing... now if I could just sell-out for a set of MT/Rs to run on it.. :D

Originally posted by camo

fyi goodyear is giving AJ racing something like 6 sets of mtr to run on the class 8 desert truck so soon i will be yaping about how they are so tough in desert racing instead of telling ya the truth. which is they pop easy. :D

Have you seen the 8 ply mtr's?

sell out


this is the reason MTR are so popular guys. goodyear sponsors the top competiors to tell you this. the magazines cover the storys and put there pics in print and all of a sudden everybody thinks a radial tire is great off road.

I'm not trying to bust balls, but have you actually run the MT/Rs on your rig so you can honestly say they don't work:question:

From bigdude

"Could you please explain this statement?

If you are speaking of when aired down then I beg to differ. the MTR, being a radial tire, flattens and conforms
better, while at higher pressures, than a comparative bias (swamper for example). At low pressures MTRs will go
flat.

Please explain"
I just mean when I air down my mtr's they dont flatten out as much as a swamper. They do conform well to what ever you are driving over though. I air mine down to 10 lbs except in snow and sand, then it is around 4 lbs.

I just mean when I air down my mtr's they dont flatten out as much as a swamper

What swamper are you comparing them too. Same size/wheel/width. I have to call bullshit if it is all the same.

Any radial tire (BFG, MTR, etc) will flatten out more and at higher pressures than a comparable bias (swamper). That's just my opinion I think many others here will agree. The bias design provides more sidwall rigidity than a radial tire, thus you have to air them down more.

Our experience showed 37" MTRs @12-14 about the same bulge as 38" swampers at 4 lbs

Originally posted by DustyM

I just mean when I air down my mtr's they dont flatten out as much as a swamper. They do conform well to what ever you are driving over though. I air mine down to 10 lbs except in snow and sand, then it is around 4 lbs.

:smokin: :smokin: :rasta: :smokin: NAHHHHHH, you smokin some good shiat!

I've run both MT/Rs and SX (in that order). The MT/R is a great dual-purpose tire and has the best radial sidewall I've ever seen. Lateral traction is suspect in my experience, but they do pull nicely in a straight line.

The 37 MT/Rs are certainly cheap enough, I've seen them ~$175 each in the Phoenix area. The run a hair small, the 37s are about the size of my 36 SX.

For Phoenix-area rockcrawling, SX is king, no question ... but if I had a rig that I drove on the street, I'd seriously consider the MT/R.
Dion

All i am saying is they dont look like they flatten out like swampers. Some flatten out way more, are you saying they are letting more air out?
No I really dont know shit, I have only been doing this for a couple of years, and was going by my impression only. I do like the MTR's and like I say I am not as hardcore as the rest of you.

All i am saying is they dont look like they flatten out like swampers

All I'm saying is you are wrong:D

If you take a swamper and mount it against an MTR of the same size, on the same rim, and put them on the same vehicle you'll see this-

At the exact same tire pressure the MTR will *flatten out* or *bulge* if you will, MORE than the swamper.

This is inherent from the design of a radial tire vs. a bias tire. It is also what makes the bias stronger in the sidewall. If you observed differently you simply aren't putting them in the correct perspective.

Originally posted by cbassett


Not necessarily...
As Tex will tell you, since he's a regular on the mud racing scene, the SX is not a popular tire in that venue.

No it's not. It's heavier, less flexible, and not sculpted with as aggressive of tread as is the standard bias TSL, which is better.

I have run the MTR in the mud, is sucks ass, but not as bad as a read AT, or it's predecessor the GY MT. The MTR is not as good in the mud as BFG MT.

If it's not as good as a BFG MT, it won't keep up with an SX, much less a standard TSL.

BUT, if we want to have a controlled-environment experiment, June 22nd, 2002 I'm conducting a mud drag & bog in Montgomery City, MO. Some of you are planning to hit that as part of the "Ultimate Pirate Tour". June 23rd, is an open date of the tour.

Now, if some of you guys would like to do some testing on June 23rd. Someone bring some 37" MTR's & someone bring some 36" TSL's or SX's. We'll give everyone 3 shots at the drag track & 3 at the bog on both sets of tires.

And I can tell ya right now that everyone will average more distance/quicker time in both the "Pit" and the "Fast Track" on the Interco's ;)

Don't have a clue how either would do on rocks though :D


TEX

No problem, bigdude. Thanks for enlighting me. Iam going to have to look again.

MTR'S are a great tire, IMO. But I would only run them if I DD what I wheeled, or some guy with a Goodyear business card is handing them to me for real cheap. Spending my own $$$ I'm gonna get some SX's.

SX's are like Detroit's, sure there are other options, but why:confused:
:flipoff2:

The reason the mtr's are so popular is because of the explosion of bolt on TJ's! They are a perfect tire for someone that drives on the street and wheels. We went last weekend on a run, rained all the way there. I was actually excited to see how the MTR's were going to do. I had been very impressed with them everytime I had wheeled with somebody that had em. They worked well for most of the weekend but they still balled up like an AT in the mud. (I have to video to prove it) . I was the only one to make one particular climb (sx's). Take it as you want, but the MTR is the best all around tire there is. Will I ever buy some? hell no! They look like a gay AT and don't do as well off road as a swamper. Mall cruisers eat your heart out. :flipoff2:

Amen swamper brotha:D

They look like a gay AT and don't do as well off road as a swamper. Mall cruisers eat your heart out.

Speaking from my experience and not referencing the numerous events I haven't been to-

4 out of the top 5 finishers (with 1st to the prototype BFGs) in ERocC are mall cruisers and their tires didn't do well off-road.

I guess that's why the guys with the TSLs in our group were saying all day how they couldn't wait to buy some MTRs for the next comp. because they couldn't believe how well the *grabbed* the rocks

I'm not talking about competetions but real world wheeling where muddy trails come in effect. I'm sure the mtr's may not have quite the downfall out west where they don't deal with as much mud.

Oh ya, I forgot to mention all the popped MTRs I have seen in the past two years;) Between me and my dad we have never put a hole in a swamper:D Take it for whatever it's worth cus in the end you're gonna run whatever you want anyways:smokin:

Originally posted by cbassett


Not necessarily...
As Tex will tell you, since he's a regular on the mud racing scene, the SX is not a popular tire in that venue.
That being said, the TSL is miles ahead of the MTR in the mud... I can't image the 1/8" the SX gives up in tread depth gives up that much ground to the MTR. I have run the MTR in the mud, is sucks ass, but not as bad as a read AT, or it's predecessor the GY MT. The MTR is not as good in the mud as BFG MT.

OK Cbassett - I don't know you, but unless you moved to Kali from somewhere else you don't know mud 'til you come up here (tho I here Georgia clay is greasier!)

Its been a couple of years since I have been on a run with the SNORT crew, but if Jason & Neck say it works in the mud, then it works in the mud. I lived in Grass Valley, and NEVER saw anything close to what we have as mud up here. There might be 60 days up here where the trails are not greasy/sloppy nasty. And he have more sticks and sidewall ripping roots than anywhere I've wheeled. Can't say we have Hammer sharp rock, but The PNW/BC is a tough place for tires.

I am running 35" TSL's right now, and am thinking hard about going to either 38" TSLs or 37" MTR's this year. Jason's comments are swaying me...

I'm not talking about competetions but real world wheeling where muddy trails come in effect

Well we ran up slickrock while muddy, UP guardrail while muddy, and UP lower 2 while muddy. And in ERocC the E stands for eastern (in TN) so the conditions weren't perfect there either.

I agree that they could clog at slow speed in deep mud, but if you run that all the time then get a bogger

I was judging out at the last ProRock event, and there were a fair amount of rigs running the MTRs. Basically the deal was kind of like what Honda does in racing. If you come in a high enough place with their product, they send a check your way. So while you may have to buy the tire at retail price, if you can pull off some wins, it makes good sense to run them!

Kind of reverse sponsoring, and it makes good sense.. they are selling the tires.

-Wayne

Originally posted by TLCObsession
but if Jason & Neck say it works in the mud, then it works in the mud.

As of next Thursday, my only source of income will be as someone who organizes and conducts professional competition mud races. Want my opinion? ;)


TEX

If you come in a high enough place with their product, they send a check your way

Who exactly *sends* this check your way? How much is it for? What is a high enough place?

I'd actually like to know all this tuff, I'm not just busting your balls because I think you don't really know (which I don't think you do:flipoff2: )

Originally posted by rotozuk
I was judging out at the last ProRock event, and there were a fair amount of rigs running the MTRs. Basically the deal was kind of like what Honda does in racing. If you come in a high enough place with their product, they send a check your way. So while you may have to buy the tire at retail price, if you can pull off some wins, it makes good sense to run them!

Kind of reverse sponsoring, and it makes good sense.. they are selling the tires.

-Wayne

Contingency

Originally posted by bigdude
I agree that they could clog at slow speed in deep mud, but if you run that all the time then get a bogger

Actually, that's the last place you'd want to run a Bogger. Boggers are like paddle tires in that they will ball up as bad as an AT in deep mud UNLESS you spin them hard. A TSL or Bias Buckshot is a much better choice for deep mud if you don't have the power to spin the tires really phuckin' fast, 'cause either of these will self-clean at less than 5 MPH of tire speed - a Bogger will not.

TEX

Actually, that's the last place you'd want to run a Bogger. Boggers are like paddle tires in that they will ball up as bad as an AT in deep mud UNLESS you spin them hard. A TSL or Bias Buckshot is a much better choice for deep mud if you don't have the power to spin the tires really phuckin' fast, 'cause either of these will self-clean at less than 5 MPH of tire speed - a Bogger will not.

Thanks for the info mud-man. i must say your knowledge about mud related 4x4 things never ceases to amaze me. You should write a book, seriously:D

Now I wish that newbie would pipe up about those checks

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they design the MT/R to be ran at higher pressures? And the side wall was constructed to flex more at the higherpressures yet because of the higher pressure it will still have a fairly strong sidewall.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they design the MT/R to be ran at higher pressures? And the side wall was constructed to flex more at the higherpressures yet because of the higher pressure it will still have a fairly strong sidewall.

Sounds good to me. Everyone in the comp this past weekend had them at 10-12 psi, and that included the light tube-buggies. Not one tear or puncture.

Sounds good to me. Everyone in the comp this past weekend had them at 10-12 psi, and that included the light tube-buggies. Not one tear or puncture.

Come to Johnson Valley;) You'll see a few:D

Originally posted by bigdude


What swamper are you comparing them too. Same size/wheel/width. I have to call bullshit if it is all the same.

Any radial tire (BFG, MTR, etc) will flatten out more and at higher pressures than a comparable bias (swamper). That's just my opinion I think many others here will agree. The bias design provides more sidwall rigidity than a radial tire, thus you have to air them down more.

Our experience showed 37" MTRs @12-14 about the same bulge as 38" swampers at 4 lbs


This to me is PRECISELY why raidal tires do well in ARCA, or at least one of the reasons. The other is sponsorship.

I've been watching the comps on tape, and every single round it is more and more and more about climbing rock walls. In that environment, the tire that can spin the best will win, and the MTRs, in my experience, do spin better than SXs. My buddy has a jeep almost identical to mine, he had 35 MTRs I have 35 SXs, side by side comparisons, same obstacles, same day, same time, same line, blah blah blah. The SXs kicked the MTRs in every way - EXCEPT when it came to a rock obstacle that required SPINNING the tires. In that one instance, the MTRs kicked the SXs, no question. They spin, then they hook up and go. AND they go straight. The SXs just spin and spin, they don;t have that eventual hook up, and they don;t conintue going straight, eventually they crab walk to one side or the other.

In light of what ARCA and rock crawling competitions have become, it is no wonder then that the radials (I'm putting the BFGs in the same light) shine in those type of events. I believe that this is mostly due to the radial construction, and the fact that said radial construction allows them to use MORE air and get the same flex in the tire. This makes a major difference to how well something hooks up on rock when it's spinning.

Having said all THAT, would I switch to an MTR from my SX. No. because the wheeling I do involves a lot more than just spinning my way up rock walls (in fact, the wheeling where I am from contains very very little spinning wheels up rocks walls), and in every other way, in my direct tire for tire comparisons, the swampers kicked the MTRs butt OFF ROAD.

On road, of course there is no comparison. If I was DDing my rig, and I could only have one set of tires, they'd be MTRs, no question. For pure off road tires, swampers (SXS). If I was competing, the nature of the competition, and sponsorship considerations (been there done that in motorcycles) might make me choose something else.

my 2c.

Chad

Oh yeah:

slashed MTRs - 2

Slashed SXs - not even close. never.

If anyone wants a better test and you live in my area and got some 37 MTR's we can swap my SX's for a MTR and go run some trails, and see how they do.
I am stuck behind that radial wall to, i do not want to own another radial

so until you have ran both.... your opinion does not mean shit....

actually mate, that's close but no cigar.

what you meant to say was, until you have run both at every pressure, on every rig, in every terrain your opinion doesn't mean shit. Too many variables to make sweeping statements my friends. Anyone who thinks different is sadly mistaken. Period.

This past weekend in ERocC 4 out of the top 5 (including us in 5th) ran MTRs

which could easily mean they are great tires, and just as easily mean that tires are largely irrelevant (or at least not anywhere near being the most important variable), at least in determining the top positions., or could mean that by simple math most are running them, so most who finish well will be running them. I would guess that you could also likely say "4 of the LAST 5 positions ran mtr"..what does that prove?? Are you suggesting top spots are decided by tire alone?

Look, I don;t care what anybody runs, and no doubt mtr makes a good comp tire, but I do care when people try to pass off a casual observation as some sort of scientific observation.

Actually, it seems from anecdotal evidence that the mtr are a good comp tire, so if you're running comps, in a comp rig, sure go ahead. But if you're doing the type of mixed terrain, rocks, roots, some mud, etc type of real worl wheeling most of us actually do - please don't think that a radial tire approaches the ALL AROUND toghness and ability of a bias swamper.....yes Chad, even a short, fat, ugly SX :p

If it don't say Super Swamper on the sidewall, it's an all-terrain :flipoff2: (that's an inflamatory joke, son)

I will be competing in RCAA next year, so i have been agonizing over what tires to buy. I have decided on the 39.5" TSL. I have talked to certain competitor's who shall remain nameless, and have been told that THE SINGLE REASON so many guys run MTR's is 'cause they're damn near free, and Goodyear pays a bonus to the top few places if they run the MTR. From the horses' mouths, the TSL is a better tire, but $$$ is still important, and the MTR's are a more "profitable" tire to a competitor...

Originally posted by BillaVista


I would guess that you could also likely say "4 of the LAST 5 positions ran mtr"..what does that prove

Also of a similar note, suddenly alot are running the new BFG Krawler tire, includind the winner of the recent event. Do you really think that so many people are jumping on THAT band wagon because they tested the tire and it was much better than any other tire they could use? Anyone who races will tell you, sponsorship (or lack thereof) has everything to do with what is used in racing.

I'm not saying the MTR is not a good comp tire, but in this case I think the number of competitors using it has a lot to do with the contigency program and cost of the tires.

Also of a similar note, suddenly alot are running the new BFG Krawler tire, includind the winner of the recent event. Do you really think that so many people are jumping on THAT band wagon because they tested the tire and it was much better than any other tire they could use?

Well I'm not trying to assume you aren't good friend with Ken, but I'll call you for BULLSHIT and you can prove me wrong.

I talked at length with Ken and know him as a friend. He did "jump on the band-wagon" with the BFGs because he honestly thinks they are a better tire. With the ability to groove the pattern he liked, and a seemingly softer, stickier, compound than the MTRs, he decided to switch.

The guys who compete take the competition part VERY seriously. They would not run a tire that didn't perform strictly because of contingency money. I will not sway from that opinion in the least because if they run a sub-par tir, what's the point, not placing high means no fun for the serious competitor.

So CHadloyd did Ken tell you he jumped on for just sponsorship and not because he liked the new groovable, sticky, 17" BFG:confused:

I met some ARCA competitors at Tellico last summer and they were running MTR's at the time and explained that they got MTR's REALLY cheep for compeating. Now what baffles me is when I showed up at Farmington 8 weeks later they were running a swamper. Now do ARCA competitors get discounts or do you have to do well to get the discount? And what kinda check gets set to ya? If they get them for virtually free which I was told by these ARCA competitors why didn't they run them at Farmington? and how cheap is Virtually free? Why not a cut Bogger?

Originally posted by Blatant
I've run both MT/Rs and SX (in that order). The MT/R is a great dual-purpose tire and has the best radial sidewall I've ever seen. Lateral traction is suspect in my experience, but they do pull nicely in a straight line.

The 37 MT/Rs are certainly cheap enough, I've seen them ~$175 each in the Phoenix area. The run a hair small, the 37s are about the size of my 36 SX.

For Phoenix-area rockcrawling, SX is king, no question ... but if I had a rig that I drove on the street, I'd seriously consider the MT/R.
Dion

Dion, I watch you guys run Anaconda the other day, the main reason I wanted to go is because I remember that you said you ran SX's and I knew Scott and Scott ran MT/Rs. Both tire seemed to do about the same as far as I was concerned.

I'm currently in the same debate as this thread is about...which tire to run. I loved my TSLs on the rocks, can't count how many times I had one lug up on a rock supporting the jeep. I just can't see the MT/R being able to do that, not having the same lug design on the edge of the tire.

However, the SX's are a bit more expensive at Discount Tire (over $200) vs. the MT/R which is down to $165. I have to buy them at Discount so I can get the warranty, I learned that lesson the hard way.

Right now my jeep is not my daily driver, but I think it will have to be within a few months. I can only assume that the MT/Rs will have a longer treadlife; couple that with being a cheaper tire and have a fairly decent sidewall (which isn't that much of an issue for a non-competion rig)....and I think the MT/R is winning the race.
Dan

Sure you see a lot of top finishers in comp running MT/Rs, but is it the tire or the driver that gets them there? There is a reason those top finishers place where they do. If they switched to SXs, think they'd finish in the same relative order? Probably, if not, it would be a really similar order.

Does a tire make a driver? No, but it sure can help. Like the old saying goes... "a great driver in a lesser vehicle can out wheel a shitty driver in the best built rig out there". Same applies to tires.

Maybe we need Lance to run Proving Grounds with both MT/Rs and SXs on the Cruzah twice and let us know which tire works better...

Also statistically, if most of the competitors are running MT/Rs and all the drivers are fairly equal in capability, then you will see a bunch of MT/Rs in the top spots.

MT/R:
pros- sidewalls flex more allowing higher pressures to be run while still "flattening out" the tire, work almost unexplicably well on rocks, allows the ability to comfortably run the rig on the street.

cons- radial construction means inherently weaker, only excells on rocks, average to poor in every other condition.


SX:
pros- damn near bulletproof, better than average to great in any conditions.

cons- can be run at 2psi on a light rig and look like they are at 20psi, heavy, barely streetable.


Other than that it is apples to oranges. I have run both tires and believe that on rocks it is basically even between the two. However, with the SX you get a tire that is very good in any situation and will rarely leave you riding on your spare.

-Steve

I just picked up a set of 37 MTR's the other day. Main reason is that I want to be able to drive the jeep on the street again with
good soild handling and they were inexpensive. For hardcore wheelin I will run the beadlocked Boggers and for street/ mild trail runs I run the MTR's.

The guys who compete take the competition part VERY seriously. They would not run a tire that didn't perform strictly because of contingency money.

You're not seeing his point, and you're showing a lack of experience with competative motorsports.

Nobody's saying a competitor (in any motorsport) would run a clearly inferior tire just because of sponsorship. But if the products are close or comporable (which is harder to prove with an offroad tire in a comp because of the massive diffeences between rigs, drivers, styles of driving, and especially from comp course to comp course) then I GUARANTEE you a guy will choose one tire over another bacause of sponsorship.

Which of course, means that the tires must at least be close to equal in comp conditions - fine. But what folks take issue with, is the fact that guys claiming 4 of 5 top drivers use them probes they are a dominantly superior tire...and that, my friend is the BULLSHIT.

Think of it like this (as an example of the theory, not as a direct comparison). 2 NASCAR drivers in relatively equivalent cars on well known consistant tracks...you really thing the guy running Quaker State really thinks it gives him an edge over the guy running Penzoil, and would use the QS, EVEN without sponsorship???

As if !!

PS - to feel better....try choking out an Xterra guy :flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


So CHadloyd did Ken tell you he jumped on for just sponsorship and not because he liked the new groovable, sticky, 17" BFG:confused:

Don't know Ken, he never told me shit. I also never said anything about him personally. Just noted that suddenly a lot of competitors were using the sponsored tire - some of those very same competitors were using MTRs at the previous events.

BillaVista hit the nail on the head. I've been there, in another form of racing, motorcyle roadracing, and that is exactly how it works - given a choice of products, most of which are fairly close in functionality, you are of course going to choose the one most beneficial to you.

I am not suggesting any one particular competitor is doing so, or that competitors would use an inferior product. I'm simply pointing out that saying "X number of guys in ARCA use them", or "X number of guys finished in Y spots in the ARCA" is NOT necessarily a valid, unbiased evaluation, because who uses them is influenced by sponsorship. It motor racing it ALWAYS is whenever sponsors get involved.

If you can't see that, then you need to grow up, and get some brains. My comments are not directed against any particular competitor - why would they be? They aren't doing anything wrong, and I'd be doing the same thing in their shoes, that's the way the sport is run! It simply does not make for unbiased, objective comparisons.

Originally posted by bigdude
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Couldn't have thought of a better way to word it if I tried all day. My partner (I spot for) Buddy has run both TSLs and MTRs on his Jeep.

Simply put, for rocks the MTRs worked better. They stick better on dry rock, wet rock, muddy rock, loose rock, you name it. They are very soft and conform well at 10lbs to any obstacle.

This past weekend in ERocC 4 out of the top 5 (including us in 5th) ran MTRs. The only exception- 1st -Ken Shupe with his prototype BFGs. Those tires are very soft and with the way Ken grooved them they bit hard (but he can drive too:D )

On a side note we are not sponsored and payed full ($169/tire)for the 37" MTRs. Until you have had them on your rig you can't tell the difference. We also tried to cut them before the comp to test strength, they held up.

MTRs work, plain and simple, I wouldn't call them a fad unless you've run them

then your opinion don't count either, u just said "your Buddy" ran them not u. and quoted "unless u ran them".....get it? even if u have not ran them, allot of people r like u, there friends run them and they can form an opinion on them anyway like u did, SMACK!!!
hope that didn't leave a mark:flipoff2:

here is some good info on what BFG is doing in the UROC scene with their contingency. it sounds like a good deal and a great opputtunity to help BFG create a new tread design. the money for winning one of these events sounds down right pleasent!!

http://www.uroc.rockcrawler.com/custom2.html

and another article that talks about a run they did...not that descript but a good narrative.

http://www.off-road.com/rock/reviews/bfgkrawler/

i just got a set of swampers so i have joined the club. my buddy with an almost identical samurai has MTR's so we are off to do a zuki comparo.....but those BFGs are looking interesting!!

One thing I would like to see is for the manufacturers so start making the MTRs and Krawlers WIDER. Like 37 X 14.5 on the MTR, similar sizing on the BFG. I'm a swamper fan, but one thing which I think causes a lot of wheelers to not look past swampers is the sizing. Once you want something beyond 35/37 X 12.5, swampers soon become your only realistic choice, to a large degree.

Nobody's saying a competitor (in any motorsport) would run a clearly inferior tire just because of sponsorship. But if the products are close or comporable (which is harder to prove with an offroad tire in a comp because of the massive diffeences between rigs, drivers, styles of driving, and especially from comp course to comp course) then I GUARANTEE you a guy will choose one tire over another bacause of sponsorship

That is a very good point that I admit had crossed my mind, I do agree with it 100%. My point of reference was running a clearly inferior tire strictly for sponsorship, but with similar tires I understand your point entirely.

given a choice of products, most of which are fairly close in functionality, you are of course going to choose the one most beneficial to you.

I am not suggesting any one particular competitor is doing so, or that competitors would use an inferior product. I'm simply pointing out that saying "X number of guys in ARCA use them", or "X number of guys finished in Y spots in the ARCA" is NOT necessarily a valid, unbiased evaluation, because who uses them is influenced by sponsorship

Again I agree with you also. My point was that I don't feel someone would simply run an inferior tire for sponsorship, if they knew that inferior product would detract from their performance.

If you can't see that, then you need to grow up, and get some brains. My comments are not directed against any particular competitor - why would they be

I thought with your mention of the winner of ERocC running BFGs that you were directing your comment as he "jumped on the bandwagon". I knew this to be false so I pointed it out. Since you admit you weren't directly talking about him then yes I see your point and I did include the :confused: sign to indicate I was confused by your satement and wanted clarification.

Now to clarify for the ill-tempered seabass44:flipoff2:
u just said "your Buddy" ran them not u
Actually I said my partner ran both, his name is "Buddy":flipoff2: But honestly I have driven his rig with each set of tires, so although it wasn't my Jeep I did technically run them:flipoff2: Wow that mark just disappeared:eek: and probably showed up on you somewhere.

I've also spotted for him while he had each type tire and I honestly think that when you're spotting someone you get a feel for when a tire will or won't bite. They either stick the lines or slide.

Now if the three of you feel like jumping on the bigdude again just let me know, I'll be choking out my neighbor (who owns an Xterra:flipoff2: )

bigdude you just suck! :flipoff2: but contingency or not i like the fact that the mtr's do in fact hook up pretty damned good, also like the fact that they are much lighter and easier to spin.... and we all know :rolleyes: that in order to win or even be in the comp you got to finish... (i know this personally) and these lighter tires are a big benifit to helping not break! with all that said.... i really dont like radials for an all around offroad tire due to sidewall issues..... so i am actually confused as to what i will be running in the future.......... im not ruling out any of them....

well i just dumped a small fortune on 5 bfg 37x12.5x17s for the new buggy i am building. why? the contigency money, we are going to start playing in pro rocks and bfg pays well. i really think with bfg and goodyear paying the big bucks, the course layout will favor a 37" tire. might just be me. hell we are doing it to win, the tire can win, and it comes with a bonus if you do win. lance proved the tire was a winner, as many others have proven with the goodyears. but i will keep the 38.5sxs that are on my regular trail rig. the goodyears have proven themself on rockcrawling, i just hope these bfgs of mine will. just my 2 cents mike

I've also spotted for him while he had each type tire and I honestly think that when you're spotting someone you get a feel for when a tire will or won't bite. They either stick the lines or slide.

REVERSE SMACK

Ouch! How'd that feel Seabass ?? :flipoff2: :D

I guess the answer is (to the orig. question) - depends on application (go figure :rasta: )

Me, I like the toughness of a swamper

Me, I like the toughness of a swamper

Amazingly, I agree. that's why I have 38" TSLs on my ride.

You guys probably thought I was just another MTR guy trying to justify his purchase:D

Seabass- If you ice it the swelling will go down:flipoff2:

Well I think it is quite evident that one thing we all agree on is that the requirements of tires in competition is quite different than the requirements of tires in normal trail riding. Maybe someome using the 37 MTRs in normal trail riding (like with the potential for mud and other stuff) could give a better impression than people doing ARCA stuff.

Originally posted by bigdude


Amazingly, I agree. that's why I have 38" TSLs on my ride.

You guys probably thought I was just another MTR guy trying to justify his purchase:D

Seabass- If you ice it the swelling will go down:flipoff2: :confused: that was no smack:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

that was no smack

No- but check page 2 (at the bottom sucka):flipoff2: :rolleyes:

I've gotta chime in now. I run MT/Rs because I paid $80 for 4 mounted and balanced. They work great for my rig because I use it as a daily driver a lot too. I am going to go with the 37" MT/Rs if Daniel can come through with the half price. How can you complain about that. Everyone is talking about prize money. I'm talking about initial outlay. I am poor and need to get what I can get cheap.

Erin

I am going to go with the 37" MT/Rs if Daniel can come through with the half price.

WHA??

is this open to anyone, or r u special??

WHA??

is this open to anyone, or r u special??

Long post about it a while ago. Daniel is curently running it through another website out of respect for the no group buy policy. Just PM him and I'm sure he'll tell you where to go. It is for anybody.

well i have cut 2 37 mtrs in the same place in 2 trips now. it is now makeing me think about the 2 types of tires. i think i need a set of bias plies for the sharp rocks, like where ive gone the last couple of weekends.

So what is the height of a 37 MTR on a 15x8 wheel? And to keep things clear, what pressure? Mounted or not?

Im going to be running MTR's starting this tuesday when I get them mounted, in the 35" variety. Only reason I went with MTR's over swampers is because of my 140 mile round trip commute to work I just started making. I needed something that would last longer than a month :D Of course, Im also thinking of buying a ricer for commuting, so I hope I don't regret my MTR purchase, but I have a feeling I wont :D
Scott

Well, I have always been a BFG man due to the Trail and daily driveing i do. I have wheeled the pizza cutters 33-9.50-15 MUD TAs and now have the new tread 33-10.50-15 BFG Mud TA.

Biggest reason was the 50,000 miles me and other buddies were getting driving back and forth accross Washington state to WSU in Pullman. Man thoes skinnes grip in the gooy clay based mud of Eastern Washington and the ice and snow more PSI on the traction surface. Basically look at the farmers and run what they run, they are not stupid as they drive all the time in their fields and farm land. Heavy rigs get great traction with skinnies. You dont push as much air so better gas MPG, and they track better on the road. Nuf said

Now if Danial can come through i am in for either 35 or 37 MTR due to price and that the Scout 2 i am building with be street drived to wheeling places when not wheeling Project X. I value my friends in the PNW advice. Why would a guy intentionally steer you wrong? He wouldnt. He will tell ya the truth. The Snort Guys are stand up guys from all I know and the few times i have talked with them.

MTRs for me and the DD/wheeler, Cut Boggers for Project X.

Fleckster

Last weekend My new 37 MTRS made Boggers and Tsls look stupid...

Snow covered rocks ..... I laughed
Mud clooged in the MTR with mud all over the rocks... I laughed

Boggers couldnt do anything
TSL's in a 44" not even close..

37" ssr radial.... those looked silly

Rocks, mud, snow..... No contest the MTRS whooped ass on the bias tires. They wouldnt even get the fronts on the boulders let alone go over them.

Mike-

Damn Snowball!!! I agree they work quite well over all types of terrain............but I have been there for the 2 sidewall rips Gearman was talking about and I wasnt impressed with the sidewall strenght at all. Pretty shitty to lose 2 tires that are unrepairible. I would run the MTR's as a Rubicon or slickrock tire but I would run a SX for Hammers type rock or anything sharp.

My .02

Goodyear does NOT pay contingency money! That means if you win an event, and you're running Goodyears, they don't give you a penny.....

Goodyear has sold tires to RCAA (formerly ARCA) competitors in the past for $175 each. Now anyone can get them for that price, and get this, Goodyear is selling them to competitors for $200 each, now. :rolleyes:

Starting this year, Goodyear gave a free set of tires to any RCAA competitor that signed a contract to agree to run MTRs in all the RCAA events.

With that said, BFG is new to the competition scene. They dove in head first with a kick ass contingency program. We received $2000 from BFG for winning RCAA in Farmington. Not too shabby. They also came to the events with their engineers (who visit this board ;) ) to talk to competitors about their tires, and what can/would make them better, etc. etc. They have been at all the events this year, watching, taking notes, and working on improving their tires. Expect to see some cool things from BFG in the future....

FYI I run 38.5 SXs on my rig. :p

I put a hole through the side of my 39" tsl so anything can be popped...less likely yo pop a bias but it still happens

And Lance you know the Sx's wont heat up and hook like your MTRs... You would need NOS to start cooking SX's

Mike-

Originally posted by Snowball

And Lance you know the Sx's wont heat up and hook like your MTRs... You would need NOS to start cooking SX's

Mike-

Yep, you're probably right. Hmmmmm propane and NOS..... :D

I dont' know about anyone else, but I don't wanna have to sit there and burn out with my tires just so I can get some traction:rolleyes: But at $175 a pop.....just burn em' till they will keep up with a swamper:flipoff2:

I love rippin on MTRs:smokin: I admit they are probably a good multi purpose tire for a daily driver.

So your not willing to smoke a 175 dollar tire to get traction but your willing to go out and bust parts ect... for the fun of it :confused:

Mike-

I've heard smoking is bad for you as well...

I've seen MTR's perform and I know they rock be for ME I'll stick with my 38" SX and not worry about ripping a sidewall.

That's my point! If I don't have to use the throttle to smoke my tires just so I can move I think I have a lot less chance of beaking something;)

Smoking tires=throttle
throttle=busted parts
busted parts=money and time:D

Originally posted by desertCJ
That's my point! If I don't have to use the throttle to smoke my tires just so I can move I think I have a lot less chance of beaking something;)

Smoking tires=throttle
throttle=busted parts
busted parts=money and time:D

So you're saying that your TSLs would climb this without spinning? Puh-lease...

NO.....I"m not saying that. I am talking more about Johnson Valley type of rocks. On farmington or Moab type slick rock, MTRs work pretty good. But I don't live in NM or Utah;) and just somthing I have noted is that the ARCA or RCAA, has favored its courses more towards slick rock type areas were MTRs do well.Coincidence:rolleyes: I think not!

Originally posted by desertCJ
RCAA, has favored its courses more towards slick rock type areas were MTRs do well.Coincidence:rolleyes: I think not!

Yeah, that's why the finals this year are at Johnson Valley. :rolleyes:

OK, never mind. I'm full of it!Keep your MTRs. OH WAIT you switched to SXs;)

Oh ya and I think that in the past they found about the only slick rock in Johnson valley for the course:D

Originally posted by TLCObsession


OK Cbassett - I don't know you, but unless you moved to Kali from somewhere else you don't know mud 'til you come up here (tho I here Georgia clay is greasier!)

Its been a couple of years since I have been on a run with the SNORT crew, but if Jason & Neck say it works in the mud, then it works in the mud.


I'm from Olympia Washington, I know what mud is. Believe it or not, California does have muddy spots. Hollister Hills, a local ORV and local of the Top Truck Challenge, has some very chewy claybased muck. MTRs turn to slicks in that crap.

When someone tells me something, it means they just told me something.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Wheelr
So what is the height of a 37 MTR on a 15x8 wheel? And to keep things clear, what pressure? Mounted or not?

Come awwwn. I need to make a decision soon. I heard the 35's only measure about 34", and that isnt cool. I want to get swampers later, but this is for a daily driver, and the MTR's will hopefully be cheap.

Here in Washington state, the type of trails we have, (roots, rocks, mud, more mud, tight trees) swampers are king, I like boggers too, but they slide down sidehills and don't steer well in the snow.

On my trail toyota, I have 36" TSL swampers.

This being said I am almost finished with my daily driven '85 Toyota, and I will run 37" MTRs if they make a 16" rim size...I have little choice for the rim size because I am installing two dana 60s. If goodyear doesn't have the right size, then I will run a set of radial swampers.

I know this has been covered before but someone had asked about the height of Goodyears 37's. They measure 36.5" on a 8 inch rim. (36 to the edge of the tread at the corners but the tread is crowned when new).

Jason

from what ive seen, they grip real well on slickrocks, but throw in some mud, and youre on onion peels. stick with swampers.

Here we have the biggest anti-poser site on the net. A tire comes out and outperforms the TSL on the rocks, street, snow and sand. But, the Swamper guys won't buy it. Is it cuz the Swampers just look meaner? POSERS! :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Not to beat a dead horse but

MTRs just plain work. If you're a doubter watch or participate in a few comps.

Originally posted by bigdude
Not to beat a dead horse but

MTRs just plain work. If you're a doubter watch or participate in a few comps.

I'm a doughter, I been to comps, it's full throttle jumping, abuse, not what I do on the trail or most others, so I can't really compare....+ the sdidewalls are not going to be as strong as a swamper, and that is important to me. if my boggers are what people want to say suck, great I like the way they suck then, and how srtong the sidewalls are, I'll give up traction[not that I think I am] for a stronger tire........oh ya, they look great too!

Ran lots of different tires this year. Here are my choices in order of preference (preference meaning my opinion on most traction in a rocky environment) of the tires I have experience running:

1. 37 x 17 BFG Krawler - Hands down, the fawkin :nuke:
2. 37 x 17 BFG MT - Worked amazing in Farmington!
3. 37 x 15 Goodyear MTR - They hook. Anyone who says they don't, hasn't run them.
4. 38 x 15 TSL SX - Work great, but the only advantage they have over the others (Except the Krawler) is durability. They don't work as well.

All that being said, ALL of these tires were free to Mike and I. We didn't pay for any of them. We also didn't get paid to run any of them. We tested them all, and decided what tire was the BEST. And we like the Krawler the BEST (FYI the Krawler has a 4 ply sidewall, just like Swampers ;) ).....

I am currently running SX's on MY rig, but will be swapping over to Krawlers as soon as Mike gives me a set (MIKE ARE YOU READING THIS??!?!?!? :flipoff2: )

Lance any word on when the Krawler will be available to 'normal' people?? Price?

Originally posted by Tron
Lance any word on when the Krawler will be available to 'normal' people?? Price?

Next year. :(
Don't know about price....

Originally posted by Lance

... They also came to the events with their engineers (who visit this board ;) ) to talk to competitors about their tires, and what can/would make them better, etc. etc. They have been at all the events this year, watching, taking notes, and working on improving their tires. Expect to see some cool things from BFG in the future....



how about some bigger RUBBER! 37's aren't enough. ;) ;)

;)

Originally posted by Lance


Next year. :(
Don't know about price....
1 hundred billion dollars.............Muaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,HHa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......................:flipoff2: here is a pic of Craig Stumph's Grooved Krawlers, he says they work better then his old SX's also;)

Originally posted by Danger Ranger


how about some bigger RUBBER! 37's aren't enough. ;) ;)

;)

And some NASTIER rubber. Something capable of taking home the $$$ at the mud races ;)

TEX

Originally posted by TEX


And some NASTIER rubber. Something capable of taking home the $$$ at the mud races ;)

TEX

We don't care about mud races, as long as they bring home the $$$ in the rock races that's all that matters. :flipoff2::D:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Danger Ranger


how about some bigger RUBBER! 37's aren't enough. ;) ;)

;)

The BFG guys at Cedar City UROC said they will make the Krawler in various sizes up to 37", and probably even bigger(39"?????). I know there has been talk in the past about Goodyear making a 39" MTR too. I guess time will tell. 18" and 20" wheel????? I think BFG already makes one size of MT in an 18" wheel(35x12.5 I think).

39x12 or 13 MTR would be cool. Can't justify buying the 37" MTR, need a real 37 or 38" tire.

Originally posted by Lance


We don't care about mud races, as long as they bring home the $$$ in the rock races that's all that matters. :flipoff2::D:flipoff2:

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: Until this guy's willing to try a set, I'll never take 'em seriously :D:D

http://www.gumbo4x4.com/MNT511.JPG

TEX

Originally posted by TEX


:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: Until this guy's willing to try a set, I'll never take 'em seriously :D:D

http://www.gumbo4x4.com/MNT511.JPG

TEX

isn't that a set on the front:p :p :p

How does a 37" MTR measure up to 36" Swamper? Is it actually an inch difference?

:eek: :eek:

I have 37" MTR's and they are the :nuke: Anyway as far as measurement I pulled up next to my friend with 36" SX's and mine were a bit taller, Id guess about 1/2" . Same with 37" SSRs, mine are a bit taller. They are on 15X8s And I have no Idea if they work in mud, cuz there isnt any in AZ;)

Originally posted by Ryan


The BFG guys at Cedar City UROC said they will make the Krawler in various sizes up to 37", and probably even bigger(39"?????). I know there has been talk in the past about Goodyear making a 39" MTR too. I guess time will tell. 18" and 20" wheel????? I think BFG already makes one size of MT in an 18" wheel(35x12.5 I think).

I don't understand what the hell these tire guys are afraid of? They've proven these new tires spank swampers on the rocks. BIG tires are the trend... So make some FAWKIN bigger MTR's, Krawlers whatever! :D 1ton and 37's just seems pointless when someone can get away with running alloy shafts and ctm's if 37's is all we get :rolleyes: :rolleyes: How long has it taken them make a tire bigger than a 35 available to the public? :rolleyes: Wonder how long it will take to get a 39... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

so for the tire guy reading this, I'm gonna go buy my 39.5 swamper tsl and cut the fawk out of it so it works untill you start making tires that aren't made for kids toys. :flipoff2:

oh yeah, while i'm in the bitching mood, make the friggin tire the size it says it is! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by CHOKEu
:eek: :eek: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: 16x38.5x15 tsl's

Originally posted by SeaBass44
:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: 16x38.5x15 tsl's

Are your pictures ever in focus :p :flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


Are your pictures ever in focus :p :flipoff2:

here it is in focus, I had made it 50% larger so it was out of focus....but you wouldn't know it was mine unless it was outa focus:D

Funny thing I have noticed here in Farmington this last couple of go arounds ...

Last fall (as during previous ARCA events) Goodyear was sponsoring RRCA plus congingency $ and most everybody had Goodyears (MTR's during this last year) ... with no BFG trailer present.
Then, this last spring, BFG sponsored Pro-Rocks with congingency $ and most every top contender switched and was wearing BFG's ... with no Goodyear trailer present.
Either MTR's were better then and BFGs are better now or ...
well, go figger ...

Some is tyres ... the rest is ... well, you ought to know ...

:p

We have 4 ply Goodyear MTR's on my buddies race truck. All kinds of coo/l sizes too! 14.5/35-17 for example but there are many sizes as Goodyear is always trying something new. And they can be made to work in the mud. You just give the tire to the Goodyear guys and they will work there magic with the tire groover! Too bad the tires aren't easily bought by the public--they would sell so many there would be none available for the racers!

Jason :)

Originally posted by SeaBass44


isn't that a set on the front:p :p :p

Ummmm, nope :D

http://www.gumbo4x4.com/MNT068.JPG

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