I was looking at some old articles and found a Dana 60 vs 14 bolt(FF for both).

I was curious about how a 14 bolt matches up with a Dana 70(seventy). No, I don't have a use for either but the info would be of benefit none-the-less.

Anyone have any comments?

TIA,
John

70 acts almoast like a 60, pumpkin is bigger, and you can go deeper in gears with a 60/70 (7.17) where as a 14 bol i belive only goes to 5.13. other than that i have no clue! jiMMy

14 bolt is stronger

Originally posted by mossberg
14 bolt is stronger

:eek: Just like Tracta joints kick a$$ also, huh?!?! :flipoff2: :beer: :usa: :flipoff2: J/K

Originally posted by RokHeep


:eek: Just like Tracta joints kick a$$ also, huh?!?! :flipoff2: :beer: :usa: :flipoff2: J/K


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I would say that the strength is about the same...however, the 70's have a better gear and locker selection.

14 bolt's have the cheapest detroit though

Just to throw some numbers out in this:p

Are Dana 70's usually 35 spline? And 14 bolts 30 spline? (full floater in both cases so we have apples to apples here) :-P

Also, what is the "high" ratio available for both? 3.7's of some sort?

Thanks again for the input,
John

Originally posted by RokHeep


:eek: Just like Tracta joints kick a$$ also, huh?!?! :flipoff2: :beer: :usa: :flipoff2: J/K

mm. isecond that :flipoff2:

Both axles have 1 1/2" axle shafts. The Dana 70 has 35 spline shafts and the 14 bolt has 30. Slight strength nod to the 70. However, as previously posted the 14 bolt uses its stock carrier when installing a Detroit locker so the cost of the Detroit is less.
The 14 bolts availability makes it much easier to find and usually much cheaper. :flipoff2: :beer:
Steve

I have one of each and I'd say the 14 bolt is stronger. It has the 3rd pinion bearing supporting it and although you can go deeper with the gears in the dana 70, I have some 5.86's in my dana 70 and I don't like the VERY small pinion. Some serious horsepower and or load would break it IMHO.

Originally posted by Ultim8kaos
the dana 70 has 35 spline shafts and the 14 bolt has 30. Slight strength nod to the 70.
Steve

ok i see people point this out alot but when has the 14bolts 30 spline shafts proven to be a weak point?

both axles are very strong and i would say about equal in strength. the 14bolt gets the nod for price and availability and the 70 gets the nod for gears lower than 5.13 and locker availability.

personally i like the 14bolt. it is cheap and who needs anything other than a detroit? or weld it for that matter. also i don't think i'd ever want to go lower than 5.13's eiter. just my op. :D

highest gear's for a 14 bolt is a 3.21 and for the 70 is a 3.54, but who cares about high gears?


14 bolt is a 10.5in ring gear, with a removable pinion support and 3 pinion bearings,

yes the 14 is only a 30 spline, but it's a 1.5in 30 sp (course spline) and not all 70's were 35 spline... ask mossberg his are 23 :D

yes the only real locker for a 14 bolt is a detriot ($340) where as teh 70 has a few more option

5.13 is the lowest 14 bolt gerar and 717 is teh lowest D70 gear

what's the diff on ground clearance between the two?

I was under the impression the 70 was better for gound clearance

I gotta chime in here!!! I ran a 70 in the rear of my big truck (see site) and I had 44's with 800+ HP in it and It NEVER BROKE. I also ran a 14 BOLT in the rear BEFORE going to 7:17's and it NEVER BROKE either.......I choose to run the 14 BOLT because of the availability of parts (never needed) and the cheap Detroit price!! .......byeeeeeeeeeeee:beer: :beer: :D

I was under the impression the 70 was better for gound clearance

I cut the big bottom lip off my 14 bolt and it only hangs .25" lower than my 60.

That's all I got to offer, sorry:(

Originally posted by bigdude


I cut the big bottom lip off my 14 bolt and it only hangs .25" lower than my 60.

That's all I got to offer, sorry:(

Puttin' a 70 under my rig today...Hangs' 5/16th's lower than a standard 60...And can be shaved a good 3/4...It's the smmmooooooth bottomed HD 70 too for what it's worth...

--D

The 14 bolt's axle dia is 1.56", the Dana 70's axle dia is 1.50".
The 14 bolt has a thicker, bigger casting and the pinion support is stronger. FF 14 bolt is unquestionably stronger then a Dana 70. I'd use a Dana 70 over a 14 bolt for the clearance, gear and locker choices.

Dana-70 14 bolt
====== ======
10.54" ring gear 10.50" ring gear
1.5" dia shafts 1.5" shafts
35 splines 30 splines
regular pinion bearing 3rd bearing
apprx 1/2" better clearance 1/2" worse clearance
(almost the same w/ shaving) (almost the same w/shaving)
more lockers incl. ARB only detroit locker
harder to find easy to find
harder to find parts easy to find parts
more r&p options(7.17) less r&p options(5.13)
bit more expensive cheapr
usually come as dually single & dually
very strong very strong

i personally had D-70 w/ 39/5" & 44" boggers. never managed to
break it.

coclusion - very much the same. what counts is mostly
personal preference and specific needs(lockers choice;
r&p demands; etc)
:beer:

I thought 14 bolts had 1 9/16" 30 spline shafts;) Plenty strong:rasta:

ARB all the way baby. I gotta go with the D70. But since I do a lot of snow wheeling and weight IS an issue I go with a shaved D60 and 35 spline aftermarket shafts. Best of both worlds!

Originally posted by high5



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shut your hole jeep fag. i got 3 complete front axles for $250 so i would say for the price they do kick ass. plus i am running 44" Boggers at 210 to 1 so if you dont thing i can break a 60 you smoking too much:smokin:

you stupid ass mud wheeler. you think because you have a big motor and a 60 front that your cool? what do you do, go driving through a mud puddle and you call that hard core wheeling? shit if you have never broke a 60 then you aint wheeling.

dana 70 has a nodular iron diff... i think that's a bit stronger than the 14 bolt's cast iron

still, it's almost 6 to 1/2 dozen

i'd go with a 14 bolt FF just cuz it's so cheap and common around here, if this were dodge or ford country, i'd use a d70 or sterling 10.25

'sides, doesn't GM own Dana or are they associated somehow?

Originally posted by mossberg


shut your hole jeep fag. i got 3 complete front axles for $250 so i would say for the price they do kick ass. plus i am running 44" Boggers at 210 to 1 so if you dont thing i can break a 60 you smoking too much:smokin:

well i read alot of your post's on how strong your tracta joints were. what i found funny about your posts were the fact that you had never even run them. so basically what you were saying is they LOOKED strong to you. well i guess you found out just how strong they were. and for you saying you could break a 60 to. well maybe but this just goes back to the fact that you like to post about shit that you assume. you ASSUMED your tracta joints were going to be the shit and you ASSUME you could break a 60. :rolleyes: nothing like posting facts here.

an i bet you also ASSUMED that all the negative hype about 16.5" rims was just a bunch of bs too. huh?

oh yeah, also i just bought a fj40 so i can use the front clip for my buggy project. so i won't be a jeep fag anymore. i'll be a toyota fag just like you :flipoff2:

wtf are "tracta joints"?

tracta joints are strong. i still think that. but you can never understand the how the trail was that i ran. besides i wanted to push um to the limit anyway. no, i didnt say they were bomb proof. i know everything will break. as a matter of fact my front axle broke first and that took out my joint. and since both axles are 1 1 1/2" why wouldnt a 60 break? i think any axle that could pull a 6300 pound rig with 44 boggers at 210 to 1 up one of the toughest trails in the Hammers one hell of an axle. . plus i was heavy on the throttle! as far as the beadlocks go, well i knew then as i know now that i need them. but dont have the cash. see every thing on my rig was built, not store bought. so does that mean i will sit home and not wheel? NOT!

OBTW can you say 1 3/4" 4340 axles and tracta joints?...:rasta:

Originally posted by mossberg
shit if you have never broke a 60 then you aint wheeling.

does a 16 spline 60 count :flipoff2:

Originally posted by mossberg
you stupid ass mud wheeler. you think because you have a big motor and a 60 front that your cool? what do you do, go driving through a mud puddle and you call that hard core wheeling? shit if you have never broke a 60 then you aint wheeling.

If you're breaking 60's then you're a stupid fucking idiot. Anybody that CAN break a D60 anything, should know better. Do all that work, swapping etc, then break it? you dumbass. If you have that kind of torque, and huge mondo tires, and don't know how to fucking drive, then at least REALIZE it, and go get some better shafts,joints (like CAMO did, that crazy nut :rasta: )

0J

I've heard that setting up gears on a 14 bolt is much easier than any dana setup. FWIW. I haven't done it personally, but know someone who knows someone who knows someone who did. :flipoff2:

Bob

Originally posted by mossberg
you stupid ass mud wheeler. you think because you have a big motor and a 60 front that your cool? what do you do, go driving through a mud puddle and you call that hard core wheeling? shit if you have never broke a 60 then you aint wheeling.
I broke my 60 all the freakin time in the mud. Its very easy to break them when your spinning your tires 50mph mud and suddenly hit some good traction. Funny... havent broken anything since I switched to Rockwells.

Originally posted by mossberg
tracta joints are strong. i still think that. but you can never understand the how the trail was that i ran. besides i wanted to push um to the limit anyway. no, i didnt say they were bomb proof. i know everything will break. as a matter of fact my front axle broke first and that took out my joint. and since both axles are 1 1 1/2" why wouldnt a 60 break? i think any axle that could pull a 6300 pound rig with 44 boggers at 210 to 1 up one of the toughest trails in the Hammers one hell of an axle. . plus i was heavy on the throttle! as far as the beadlocks go, well i knew then as i know now that i need them. but dont have the cash. see every thing on my rig was built, not store bought. so does that mean i will sit home and not wheel? NOT!

OBTW can you say 1 3/4" 4340 axles and tracta joints?...:rasta: \

not to jump into this smack ...but......regardless off the 210 to 1 it is pretty funny that you busted your "highy touted" tracta joints with a frigging 4 cylinder(believe that is what you said you would be running in a previous post)..ya think that says something about their strength?:flipoff2: and I am guessing the 4340 1/34 axles with tracta junks are pretty cheap.. :D ooh by the way, I have a friend with a nice 408 that runs two sm465's back to back with a 205 and he broke the stubs shafts on his 70 front..but he had the crappy u-joint style axles you have always spoke so fondly of.. guess he should have got some of those tracta joints instead of putting his rockwells under his rig:rolleyes:

I'd be happy with either one.:eek:

listen up one ton fag boy, you dont know shit about how 210 to 1 with 44s can break shit. it dosent take a big motor to break stuff out here in the West but your too fucken stupid to understand. as far as the 4340 axles costing alot, well there is another thing you just dont get. 99% of my junk was BUILT so it didnt cost me anything execpt for parts. the axles will cost me only the price of the steel and a bunch of hours on the lathe. your just a stupid ass hillbilly who calls himself one ton fag boy. you should call yourself half ton dumb ass. cause thats what you are. :rainbow:

14 bolt is cheaper to buy and cheaper for a detroit. the setting up of gears is easier as well. shaft strength for me is a dead issue, won't break either. only reason for the 70 is if you need a different locker or deeper gears (or if your truck came with one)

which ever one come up for the right price is the one you need. both are fine and strong. and mossberg calm down, you going to give yourself a heart attack

bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

wow, I am loving the 70 vs 14blt argument, however Mossberg making himself look like a complete and total moron is also a kick! :laughing:


When the time comes for me to build my rig (yep, just a web wheeler here for now) I'll probably go 14 bolt simply for the availability and price. There doesn't really seem to be a large strength difference here.

So lets through a Dana 80 into the mix ( since my previous tenants left one in the yard). Are 60 or 70 shafts OK to swap in? ( as the 80 has that funky wide 6 lug design ). Are they worth any effort or just a boat anchor?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mkbruin
[B]bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa



fuck off

dude, you realize you just made my point :rolleyes: :flipoff2:


back to topic though......can't throw anything else in, I know nothing about 80's but see no point. They are rare, and if you are looking to go to that strength you would be better off with an eaton or a rockwell.

shut your hole you dont even know me.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SSSHHHAAAADDUUPP



:flipoff2:

http://www.AzChatfield.net/Comebacks/JustINet.jpg

bwahahahahaha, mossberg, I could give half a shiot if I know you or not, read my sig and get back to topic....or stay in chit chat because you are adding NOTHING to this post.

http://www.AzChatfield.net/Comebacks/Retard_Argue.jpg

rockwells are :rainbow:

and mossberg is a retard, I bet he cromed his rocks and topped em off w/ some 4 foot crome shocks too. it's easy to make a claim when you don't have to worry about someone calling your bluff cause they are 1000 miles away.

you are a tool bag

the dana 80 is pointless for wheeling, its big heavy and mine still runs a 35 spline shaft. the 60 ring gear is stronger than the 35 spline shafts so why go to an 80?

Relax Mossberg :rolleyes:

I usually always stay out of these things, but!

Holly crap Mossturd! Pull that thing outa' your hole and relax man. Your sounding like a 16 year old with her panties in a wad...

Originally posted by Highlander
So lets through a Dana 80 into the mix ( since my previous tenants left one in the yard).

Deyum. All I got was a stump.

Originally posted by mossberg
listen up one ton fag boy, you dont know shit about how 210 to 1 with 44s can break shit. it dosent take a big motor to break stuff out here in the West but your too fucken stupid to understand. as far as the 4340 axles costing alot, well there is another thing you just dont get. 99% of my junk was BUILT so it didnt cost me anything execpt for parts. the axles will cost me only the price of the steel and a bunch of hours on the lathe. your just a stupid ass hillbilly who calls himself one ton fag boy. you should call yourself half ton dumb ass. cause thats what you are. :rainbow:

I think you are doing a good job of proving your the dumbass in this forum ..I guess two 4 speeds a 205 and 4:88 gears equals 418 to 1 with a 408 and big tires(friends rig)....yep don;t know squat at all...Mmm.. regarding being to stupid to understand breaking 60 stuff out west...I do understand you have got to be the top nomination for the DARWIN AWARD this year after previously mentioning "heavy footing it" with a four cylinder and expecting me to believe that your piece crap axles are "strong".:rolleyes: Look man step upto the plate and admit that you were talking out your ass about you "highly touted" pieces of crap and go back to what ever rock you live under ....just a tip you might want to stop wearing the flame shorts ..they went out in the 90's:flipoff2: ...p.s. anytime bring your 4 cylinder POS here and we will round up some pissed rabbits , squirels or some mad rodent to stick under the hood to help you around ....wait I see a chipmunk running across the field next door..gotta go... need to go catch him for ya:flipoff:

Originally posted by mossberg
as far as the 4340 axles costing alot, well there is another thing you just dont get. 99% of my junk was BUILT so it didnt cost me anything execpt for parts. the axles will cost me only the price of the steel and a bunch of hours on the lathe. [/B]

...hate to post again , but, I couldn't pass on this gem...I would like to see you cut axle splines on a lathe....or maybe you forgot you need splines on an axleshaft:rolleyes: or wait maybe your making doubled end tracta joint axleshafts.:flipoff:

Has anybody converted a 70 rear into a steering rear axel with front 60 outers and 35 spline inner and outer axels?

Thats my current project and I need a good source on 60 parts...anyone?

i send them out to get splined stupid ass.

hmmm... a 70 vs. a 14bolt hmm...



I pick Rockwells, hehehe

yeah, 14-bolts go for $100 round here... all day long. And the brackets are sooo easy to make em disks brake and all. you just all you need are some 1/2 ton calipers and some 3/8" plate.. and a torch, and a grinder, and a drill press, and a tap set, and an afternoon, and some wd-40... dont know about D70 and disks but this stuff is easy...

(Oh yeah you can get fancy (and legal) with cadillac calipers with the parking brake.)

I'll take the 14FF anyday...

lizard the disc brake thing is exactly the same method for every axle so that is a tie

Originally posted by mytzlflick
the dana 80 is pointless for wheeling, its big heavy and mine still runs a 35 spline shaft. the 60 ring gear is stronger than the 35 spline shafts so why go to an 80?

Well because its free and laying in the yard, and I thought 35 spline was a good thing?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mossberg
i send them out to get splined stupid ass. [/QUOT

I do believe you said " I only have to pay for the steel and spend a bunch of time on a lathe.." I know I cut them on a mill...but, considering the amount of idiotic crap that you have spewed who knows what the hell you had planned...:flipoff2:

[i]the axles will cost me only the price of the steel and a bunch of hours on the lathe. :rainbow: [/B]

Just curious, how are you going to spline your axles on a lathe?

Call me gay and it's your A$$:rainbow:


EDIT: Should have finished reading the post before I asked my question. Reguardless, a REAL machinist would figure out how to spline his OWN shafts.:flipoff2:

did they make a 23 spline 80?

I have seen a 23 spline 70 with a factory installed detroit and 5.13's that was. so the 80 you got highlander may be a 23 spline .

the reason I say it might be is because the 70 was a wide 6 pattern.

Originally posted by desertCJ
I thought 14 bolts had 1 9/16" 30 spline shafts;)

That's what I thought.....

Got an extra pinion bearing too, didn't see anyone mention that I don't think....

Got a few questions. Are all Dodge D70's or all D70's for that matter 35 spline and 67" WMS to WMS?

What 14 bolts had the 30 spline shafts? Someone mentioned theirs had 23 spline.

Do the D70 and 14 bolt weight about the same? And is the swap to discs about the same for both?

I think for the D70 you can use Wago front disc gear right?

Are all Dodge D70's or all D70's for that matter 35 spline and 67" WMS to WMS?

Don;t know about Dodge specific, because I don't know the origin of mine, but I have a 64" wms (If I remeber correctly--details and pics on my site) D70 with 23 spline shafts and 3.something tubes

Originally posted by attachcurrie


What 14 bolts had the 30 spline shafts? Someone mentioned theirs had 23 spline.


all ff 14bolts are 30spline

What about a 35 spline D60 vs. D70/14 bolt.

Less weight plus the same size shaft. The only other flaw I could see would be the R/P on the D60, but is it that weak?

Originally posted by attachcurrie
What about a 35 spline D60 vs. D70/14 bolt.

Less weight plus the same size shaft. The only other flaw I could see would be the R/P on the D60, but is it that weak?

for ground clearance reasons the 35 spline 60 would be a better choice. the 14bolts are just so easy to find that is why i went with it. plus i am running a cab and chassis 14bolt wich is 63" wide. the 35spline 60,70, and 14bolt are all good, strong axles. take your pick and just see if you can break it!

I'll tack this question onto this thread instead of opening a new one.

Does anyone know the specs on a 14bolt off a k30 single wheel 4x4. Not sure what year. I need a rear axle and found this one. All I really need to know is it 67" WMS to WMS but anymore info would help if it isn't like all the other 14 bolts.

96 KIA SPORTAGE ( WHITE) 4WD, AIR COND. AUTOMATIC, ALL POWER EXCELLENT COND. 79,500 MILES $6,200 CALL OR LEAVE MESSAGE

Price: $ 6,200

I found my new trail rig....
All I need is 14 bolt to break......


OK OK OK I know its just fanning the flames ......I couldn't help it.

Originally posted by attachcurrie
I'll tack this question onto this thread instead of opening a new one.

Does anyone know the specs on a 14bolt off a k30 single wheel 4x4. Not sure what year. I need a rear axle and found this one. All I really need to know is it 67" WMS to WMS but anymore info would help if it isn't like all the other 14 bolts.


Yes it will be 67 inchs

Cool. What did K30 come w/ up front in the 4x4 versions? D60's?

Also I assume this 14 bolt is just like the others? No weakness the others don't have, same 1.5 shafts, yadda yada.

Originally posted by attachcurrie
Cool. What did K30 come w/ up front in the 4x4 versions? D60's?

Also I assume this 14 bolt is just like the others? No weakness the others don't have, same 1.5 shafts, yadda yada.

I think the 60 fronts are 69 (somebody correct me if I am wrong)

The lip on the 14 bolt can be cut off using a sawz all, and they are cheap as fawk, I only have $300 bucks and my 14 bolt is awesome, disc brakes welded, and 5.13 gears, and shaved. got to love that! Sure beats a 60 any day, for strenth and price.