So the shitbox started gettin a little tippy with 37's and somewhere around 7" of lift i decided to bring it down a little.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4205.jpg

I also wasn't happy with the Rockcontrol bellyskid and radius arm brackets that hung 4" below the framerails. Even with a smooth belly i got hung up on everything. I was never very happy with my rock sliders either. They survived some brutal beating but they were at least an inch below the stock rocker. The truck rolled into the driveway with these goals:

Lower
Wider
Better departure
Better breakover
Dual cases
Higher rockers

Heres what's happened

I started out cuttin the rear

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4366.jpg

Then moved the spring mounts back 10" and up about 3"

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4367.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4368.jpg

And slung the rear axle back in

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4375.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4372.jpg

This brought the truck down 3.5" in the rear but my cut wasn't going to be enough. Out came the sawzall and some tube

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4382.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4386.jpg

Time to tub it

Ghetto brake
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4388.jpg

And because i suck with sheetmetal i kept it all simple

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4389.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4390.jpg

The huge hole in the floor is for the gas tank.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Gas%20tank%20relocate/13.jpg

Aside from finish welding the rear is all laid out.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4403.jpg

Along the way i chopped the rockers

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4398.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4397.jpg

some simple tube sliders

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4406.jpg

Up to 25" under the doors

Holy shit I think you just did exactly what in my not-so-far-future plans. Looks great! I'de like to see some finished up pics at some point.

Now with the new ride height my belly clearance really sucked. Only 17" under the skid and the radius arms were almost parallel with the ground.

Out with the old

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4416.jpg

Started on a new crossmember

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4409.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4413.jpg

This moved the trans mount up 2.75". The crawer box barely cleared the floor, so i pushed the tunnel up with a floor jack so i had 1/2" clearance.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4420.jpg

Then the floor got cut to clear the second case clocked up flat.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4423.jpg

From underneath

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4424.jpg

And then the whole drivetrain was mocked up

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4425.jpg

I stripped the guts out of a 231 i had on the floor for the mockup. Glad i did cause i had that damn case in and out 6 times today.

Heres the rest of the crossmember i came up with. Hopefully i can pick up the 1/4 steel this week to skin the whole thing.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4427.jpg

This is with the whole drivetrain installed......21" at the bottom of the plate.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4419.jpg

The new radius arms will mount to the front of the trans crossmember and will transition straight into the skid. I'll post pics later this week when i get the front axle slung under and suspended.

Really nice work on the rear stretch.

I dig it :smokin:

Why didn't you just flip the springs in the rear?

Are you going to strenghten the frame? Ever had any problems with it?

Why didn't you just flip the springs in the rear?

I still would have had the shitty factory shackle angle, the truck wouldn't be as low, and i wanted more than 5" of stretch.

Are you going to strenghten the frame? Ever had any problems with it?

I boxed the "framerails" under the doors a long time ago but my unibody is still twisted like a pretzel. Doors don't close quite right, quarter panels are buckled out. When i tubbed the rear i pulled the quarter panels back in so the hatch closes better now but i should have tied it together with a cage long before i started beatin it.

This is with the whole drivetrain installed......21" at the bottom of the plate.


Are gonna keep the 37s or go bigger?

VERY nice work.

you shouldah just dovetailed and cheromanchee'd it while you were at it. :smokin:

That is turning out killer! Keep up the pics.

Whats holding the tube rocker in place? Is it just welded to the sheetmetal or anchored in to something else?

Looks nice so far. Maybe fill in the area between the door and rear fender tube with some sheet metal.

Nice setup

Lookin great so far. Couple questions for ya...

1: What kind of shifter setup are you planning for the 231/231 combo?

2: Is your drivers seat still gonna fit with that much sheet metal covering your tunnel now?

3: What axles are you running? I think I see a HP44 up front, and maybe an 8.8 rear?

Anyway, looks :smokin:. Gives me a lot of inspiration and new ideas for my own XJ.

Lookin great so far. Couple questions for ya...

1: What kind of shifter setup are you planning for the 231/231 combo?

2: Is your drivers seat still gonna fit with that much sheet metal covering your tunnel now?

3: What axles are you running? I think I see a HP44 up front, and maybe an 8.8 rear?


1. I'm gonna have to figure out shifters once the seat and console go back in. I'd like for them to both come through the original shifter hole, but i don't have enough clearance under the floor to run that. I'll post pics when i get the shifters figured out.

2. The driver's seat mounts got cut out to clear the second case. I'm planning to run the factory seat (i like my power accesories), i'll just have to build new brackets.

3. The Axles are a HP 44 and an 8.8 with 5.13's. The 8.8 has a mini spool in it right now, but i'm not sure if i'm gonna keep it. I should probably just order the c-clip eliminator and a full spool. I want to ARB the front but I have to get the truck a little closer to completion before i know if it will fit in the budget. I'll post some axle buildup pics in a little bit.

Are gonna keep the 37s or go bigger?

Keepin the 37's, don't know if i'll ever go bigger with this truck. My final goal with this one is to have a decently capable trail rig i can comfortably drive (read quiet) 75+ on the freeway with the A/c blastin.

The axles

A friend of mine was parting out a '78 F150 Ext cab (leaf sprung with 5 lug outers) so i picked up the front axle.

I started cleaning up the 44 and cut the knuckles
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/DSCN0286.jpg

Rocked the c's back 7* with a BFH

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/DSCN0312.jpg

Welded 'em back up

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/DSCN0314.jpg

While i had the welder out, i burned the tube into the housing too

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/DSCN0316.jpg

8.8's are notorious for spinning tubes so i welded it up too, and ground the lip off the bottom edge

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/DSCN0322.jpg

Off to get gears

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/DSCN0323.jpg

My old shop partner still had some left over lower mounts from his last run of longarm kits. Picked these up for free, thanks Ty...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/IMG_4377.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/IMG_4379.jpg

Now all thats left to do is everything........

I still would have had the shitty factory shackle angle, the truck wouldn't be as low, and i wanted more than 5" of stretch.



Pretty cool..but alot of work for 2 more inches!


Flipped rear springs...shackle hanger relocated...4.5" springs..37" tires

Is that a full width 8.8?

Are you going to doing another radius arm or something else? How are you going to do the upper drivers side mount? Are you coil buckets the same width as stock even with the leaf sprung 44?

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/IMG_4377.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/IMG_4379.jpg

Now all thats left to do is everything........

Do you or ty have any of these spring mounts left?

Pretty cool..but alot of work for 2 more inches!


Flipped rear springs...shackle hanger relocated...4.5" springs..37" tires

I have seen your rig before, i like it and i got a lot of good ideas from it. The reason i went so crazy on the rear is so i could get my shit lower more than just longer. Just guessing from the pics but i think mine will be 2" maybe 3" lower than yours.

Is that a full width 8.8?

Are you going to doing another radius arm or something else? How are you going to do the upper drivers side mount? Are you coil buckets the same width as stock even with the leaf sprung 44?

Full width 8.8

I'm gonna try to build a 3 link in the front if i can figure out how to package it. However, I don't have a lot of room between my upper control arm mounts and the floor. If not i'll build another radius arm setup.

Coil buckets are the same width as stock.

Do you or ty have any of these spring mounts left?

Last ones....

i love the way your rear fender area looks and how it tied into the rockers. ...

got any more progress pics of the sliders? i want to cut my rockers out too and weld in the sliders i had in to that place.
you did a great job:smokin:

Would this be the same Ty, er RockControl that built a Stroker 4.6 and sold it as newish ?

The same motor I had to install all new Crank Shaft Main bearings because 3 of the 6 main caps were installed backwards !

Not even good enough for a flip off...:mad3:


AW

Would this be the same Ty, er RockControl that built a Stroker 4.6 and sold it as newish ?

The same motor I had to install all new Crank Shaft Main bearings because 3 of the 6 main caps were installed backwards !

Not even good enough for a flip off...:mad3:


AW


:D

For bad Sellers:rolleyes:

There is a section For bad Sellers

Thanks,

AprilzWarrior, i know Ty but that doesn't mean i'm involved with his dealings or the guy to come to with your complaints. There's plenty of ways to deal with bad sellers on this board without ranting in other people's threads. If you have a problem with someone tell THEM. Now go be pissed off somewhere else......

got any more progress pics of the sliders? i want to cut my rockers out too and weld in the sliders i had in to that place.
you did a great job

I only have the sliders tacked on right now, when i get them tied to the chassis i'll post some pics for ya.

RockCrawler, how concerned are you with you rear shackles affecting you departure angle?


AZFJ - Your shackle angle scares me.

Out with the old

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4416.jpg


Were/Are those leaf springs used as Y-links?:eek:

:dustin:

how concerned are you with you rear shackles affecting you departure angle?

Not very, i'm gonna be dragging the back of the springs on some dropoffs, but they're not any lower than they were before. If i was concerned about it i'd link it, but i really don't want to take the time do that on this truck.

AZFJ - Your shackle angle scares me.

There's nothing wrong with that shackle angle, i'm sure it just gives the rear springs a ton of droop. With the right use of limit straps i'll bet it works well, and rides smooth too.

Were/Are those leaf springs used as Y-links?

I'm not sure what your talking about.......My radius arms are 2x2x.25 box tube. It has about the same bending moment and weight as similar size DOM, but is much cheaper.

Thanks,

AprilzWarrior, i know Ty but that doesn't mean i'm involved with his dealings or the guy to come to with your complaints. There's plenty of ways to deal with bad sellers on this board without ranting in other people's threads. If you have a problem with someone tell THEM. Now go be pissed off somewhere else......



I didnt buy anything from "RockControl" you or Ty, I however did a repair for someone that did, and was asking a simple question since you still carry the company name, is that so wrong to ask ? Im not pissed, just pointing it out.

:flipoff2:

AZFJ - Your shackle angle scares me.

Not my shackle angle..it belongs to a buddy who bought it from another buddy of mine...This XJ gets it done...no limiting straps just ant-axle wrap bar..
It has tons of flex..little to no wheel hop...just a little rear stear when flexed out..but will climb about any rock face!

Yes he made this unassisted!

crappy pic above..sorry..but you get the point,..I think he has the right formula for a bad ass grocery getter..we like to call it the "short bus"

He made this too..actually..he made it look easy

Definitely respectable ability, not something I'm going to be trying in my XJ at this point. I'm probabaly going to be stealing some ideas from this thread in the near future.

Some great ideas here!
A bump for you while I hitch a ride.
Can't wait to see more updates...

Now with the new ride height my belly clearance really sucked. Only 17" under the skid and the radius arms were almost parallel with the ground.

Out with the old

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4416.jpg

Started on a new crossmember

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4409.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4413.jpg

This moved the trans mount up 2.75". The crawer box barely cleared the floor, so i pushed the tunnel up with a floor jack so i had 1/2" clearance.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4420.jpg

Then the floor got cut to clear the second case clocked up flat.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4423.jpg

From underneath

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4424.jpg

And then the whole drivetrain was mocked up

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4425.jpg

I stripped the guts out of a 231 i had on the floor for the mockup. Glad i did cause i had that damn case in and out 6 times today.

Heres the rest of the crossmember i came up with. Hopefully i can pick up the 1/4 steel this week to skin the whole thing.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4427.jpg

This is with the whole drivetrain installed......21" at the bottom of the plate.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/IMG_4419.jpg

The new radius arms will mount to the front of the trans crossmember and will transition straight into the skid. I'll post pics later this week when i get the front axle slung under and suspended.
your not gonna scrap that "old" custom LA set up are ya?!

Nice sheet metal work. I like it when people take their time to do it right the first time.

I like it when people take their time to do it right the first time.

He's not doing it right the first time... he's doing it right the second time :laughing: :flipoff2: Nice work Brian

your not gonna scrap that "old" custom LA set up are ya?!

Naww, i've been able to reuse most of the brackets and i used most of the old control arm material in my new arms. I'll post pics when i get new batteries for the camera.

Here's some random 231 tech for ya too.....

I'm using a 231 rear case because they're easy to find in the junkyard, and are pretty small. However they have their shortcomings, mostly chain stretch and cases breaking. Theres not a whole lot i can do about the case strength besides a skidplate, but they're easy to widechain from the junkyard.

Find a 231C and strip the front yoke, front outputshaft, chain, and sprocket on the mainshaft.

Heres the Chevy chain (right) next to a jeep chain
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/231/DSCN0976.jpg

and a chevy yoke (right) next to a jeep yoke
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/231/DSCN0975.jpg

Just replace the jeep main shaft sprocket with the chevy piece, replace the jeep front input shaft with the chevy shaft, and the chain will fall in. The yoke isn't mandatory, but the chevy one is much beefier. You won't be able to use your stock jeep front driveshaft with the chevy yoke as it has a different bolt pattern (wider). This doesn't matter to me as i'm getting new shafts front and rear anyway.

Another aside heres a chevy mainshaft right next to a stock jeep mainshaft
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/231/DSCN0979.jpg

And a chevy mainshaft next to my AA SYE mainshaft
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/231/DSCN0978.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/231/DSCN0977.jpg

That chevy shaft is going in my roommate's SAS s10. Its a beefy peice, but its too long to use in a short wheelbase jeep (20" overall case length. 27" with both of his cases :eek: ).

Anyway, i did make quite a bit of progress this week, i'll post it up as soon as i get my camera back up.

I am looking at putting a crawl box on my XJ. I already have a flipped 300 but I need some lower gears. Are you going to run a carrier bearing on the front t-case crossmember? Looking at mine I think at full droop the drive shaft would hit the front crossmember even as clocked up as it is.

I am looking at putting a crawl box on my XJ. I already have a flipped 300 but I need some lower gears. Are you going to run a carrier bearing on the front t-case crossmember? Looking at mine I think at full droop the drive shaft would hit the front crossmember even as clocked up as it is.

I'm going to try to notch my crossmember enough to run a one peice shaft but the more i look at it the more i think i'm gonna need a two piece. I've got to cycle the axle to find out for sure.

Some progress this week. Got the control arms and steering set up.

I used Chevy tie rod ends and 1.5"x.219" DOM. I didn't feel like dropping the cash for hy-steer so i just reamed the knuckles from the top and flipped the steering up.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/DSCN0983.jpg

I built a jig on my welding table and welded up my bent control arms to clear the "frame" rails and still mount high on the trans crossmember.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/DSCN0980.jpg

another shot
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/DSCN0992.jpg

Heres what i came up with for an upper link........
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Axles/DSCN0982.jpg

Don't know if i'm happy with the upper link yet. It'll work, but it looks like ass. Unfortunately i don't think I can package a true three link cause the trucks so damn low, and i still need to snake a full exhaust over the control arms.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Flat%20BellySkid/DSCN0985.jpg

This is how the truck sits right now at ride height. With the full drivetrain installed. I think i've got the clearance i wanted:D.

I didnt buy anything from "RockControl" you or Ty, I however did a repair for someone that did, and was asking a simple question since you still carry the company name, is that so wrong to ask ? Im not pissed, just pointing it out.

:flipoff2:

I have to agree with AW,

I am currently the one running the stroker, I did not buy it from you guys, but bought it from the guy who did.

You say you have nothing to do with Ty, BUT you carry the RockControl name and from your pictures you are doing the work at the RockControl shop, and at Ty's house, so yea you have everything to do with it.

Dirk

You say you have nothing to do with Ty, BUT you carry the RockControl name and from your pictures you are doing the work at the RockControl shop, and at Ty's house, so yea you have everything to do with it.


I've had the RockcontrolXJ screenname since i put a Rockcontrol XJ kit on my cherokee years ago.......

As far as doing the work at the rockcontrol shop, not really sure what your talking about. I'm doing all the work in my own driveway.

Man, that thing is lookin good. I have new goals for my XJ now :D

the bucket is coming along nicely, are you going to the con on oct 14th? ill be there or fordyce. that weekend.

so anyway, good work there, what are you going to do some toob work for me. ill call you later today to take a look at the truck and see what we can come up with.

later,
Callen

Brian I was just backing up AW, since he was backing me up on the stroker engine, that's all.

Brian I was just backing up AW, since he was backing me up on the stroker engine, that's all.

Dude... give it a break and stop being an ass

Brian I was just backing up AW, since he was backing me up on the stroker engine, that's all.


you are a good guy for backing up your friend, but this thread is not the place for any of what just went on between you all. if there was ever a problem in the first place you should have taken care of it then, and if not you know where to go on this forum if you have a gripe, and its not in this thread.

i know brian personally and he is a good guy, not out to get anyone, so please stop cluttering this thread with negative remarks towards something that he may never even been involved in in the first place.


anyway,

brian, i have tomorrow off, maybe well get sometime going on the toy if you have time.

Callen

This may help others....

Click UserCP, Click Buddy/Ignor list, Click Add

http://www.fototime.com/%7B3CACF928-B2D9-40A1-825F-4DC638296CC0%7D/picture.JPG

:flipoff2:

what a great way to fawk up a good thread.


from the immaturity shown from this cue guy i won't be back to this thread and i will never have anything to do with 4x4oil.com



sorry rockcontrolXJ, nice build but this childish bull shit from these two ruined it for me.


I doubt you even know the HALF of the situation behind Sierra Rock Control and that whole fiasco. Strangely enough, I still have a set of their coil buckets chilling in my garage waiting for an axle swap. They're pretty sweet. Too bad so many people got the shaft on that whole situation. Regardless, good work on the rig... I don't think the uppers are ghetto either. If it works, run it!

Well just like any project i've reached the point of being burned out and done nitpicking all the little crap i want to get done. I've finished all the major fab work that i'm gonna do at this time around so the whole truck is gettin blown apart for finish welding and prep for final assembly. Heres how she sits as of today.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4441.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4444.jpg

And the interior is all painted up

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4437.jpg

Built a little tube skid for the gas tank

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4443.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4442.jpg

got the holes filled in front of the rear fenderwells

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4438.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4446.jpg

I'm Pretty stoked to actually be bolting crap together. My goal for this weekend is to have the interior back in, and get the cases finished up and bolted in. Should be finished in two weeks as long as the motor swap goes smoothly.:D

you better be ready to go on the 13th-16th. get it on!!

Callen

What do you have planned for the upper shock mounts in the rear? Will you be able to use the stock mounts after pushing the axle that far back?

What do you have planned for the upper shock mounts in the rear? Will you be able to use the stock mounts after pushing the axle that far back?

No way. I'll have to build a crossmember to mount the shocks to. I'm going to wait until i can get the truck on an RTI ramp to cycle the rear suspension so i can figure out where the shocks need to go.

Good shit man keep up the good work and keep the pic's coming.

For everyone else bitching get the sand out of your Vagina and let this guy do his build up with out your bitching.

-Ben

very nice work.

agreed, very nice work!!

Man that looks great! Ha- I think I like the gas skid the most! A lot of hard work in this project. Just curious, I know it will get scratched up on the traiul, but are you going to throw any paint on the exterior?

you might want think about skinning that gas tank crossmember( if you haven't already thought about it) . I could definitely see a rock wedging between the tube and popping a hole.

Couple more questions for ya...

1. Are you planning on running a traction bar?

2. On your control arms, are you gonna gusset them at all? It looks like they are just butt-welded where the bend is.

3. Do you have any better pics of how your draglink is attached to the tie-rod?

Awesome build and keep up the good work. Can't wait to see trail pics!

Great build up! Not a whole lot of XJs get comp cut and stretched... I love it!

double post

Couple more questions for ya...

1. Are you planning on running a traction bar?

2. On your control arms, are you gonna gusset them at all? It looks like they are just butt-welded where the bend is.

3. Do you have any better pics of how your draglink is attached to the tie-rod?

Awesome build and keep up the good work. Can't wait to see trail pics!

1. Yes, the spring wrap on this sucker would kill driveshafts

2. Already done, they've been strapped with a 9"x1.25x.25" flat stock. I'll post pics when i get a chance

3. The draglink end goes through the tie rod end. All i had to do was ream the tie rod end from the front side. I'll post pics when the front axle gets put back under the truck.

What are the leafs out of in the rear?

you might want think about skinning that gas tank crossmember( if you haven't already thought about it) . I could definitely see a rock wedging between the tube and popping a hole.

I probably should skid the gas tank, but i don't think i'll get around to it before i start wheelin it. my old tank took one hell of a beating (only held 10gallons when i pulled it) and it never ruptured. Bad excuse i know.........

Man that looks great! Ha- I think I like the gas skid the most! A lot of hard work in this project. Just curious, I know it will get scratched up on the traiul, but are you going to throw any paint on the exterior?

Originally i was just gonna rattle bomb the exposed metal white, but i've got a buddy with a gun that keeps trying to talk me into painting the whole thing. So i guess i'm not sure still, it'll probably be in prime for a while

What are the leafs out of in the rear?

Rubicon Express XJ 4.5" lift springs, with a couple leaves replaced with stock stuff

Well got a little bit of progress this weekend. The little shit is taking forever like always.

Got the crawler box welded up and modified to fit my crossmember.

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baseballneal86

Here's the straps for my control arms

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4466.jpg

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And here's a pic of how the drag link mounts to the tie rod

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4465.jpg

They're chevy tre's. The larger end is reamed from the front and the drag link end bolts through it.

Here's a couple fun pics of the front yard. The neighbors gotta love that all the junk collects at my house.......

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4451.jpg

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Wow. What a glorious driveway/yard. I need a new rig.

You have a tubing bender mounted in your driveway.


That is awesome. :D

You have a tubing bender mounted in your driveway.


That is awesome. :D

The funny thing is, he ain't the only one in town, i think his might be the third i've seen here.

comeon brian. . . get yur ass going on that shit. . ill be back in town on wednesday if you need any help. . . . oh ya, and i got lots of time since i just quit my job today.

Callen

I love it

I really like the gas tank... think it would be easy and worth it on a DD

Im thinking about it :D

That and shocks through the floor:p

comeon brian. . . get yur ass going on that shit. . ill be back in town on wednesday if you need any help. . . . oh ya, and i got lots of time since i just quit my job today.

Callen

I've been goin, trying to bust it out. New motor is in and an oil change away from firing, t-cases are in and done, axles are painted and in (hopefully for the last time in a while). Gotta get the driveshafts ordered and spend $400 or so at Napa for ball joints, rotors, pads, calipers, u-joints, a power steering pump and all the fluids for every cavity in the entire fawkin truck.

glad to hear you got some stuff done.

i actually stayed in oregon longer than i thought. im headed back tomorrow, ill swing by if its still light out . . . fawking daylight savings time. . .

anyway, gimmi a call if you need any help.

Callen

I have a very similar set up, and have been toying with the crawl box set up. Do you think you are going to get away with a one piece drive shaft for the front?

I have a very similar set up, and have been toying with the crawl box set up. Do you think you are going to get away with a one piece drive shaft for the front?

Nope its gonna be a two piece shaft

got the holes filled in front of the rear fenderwells

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I'm Pretty stoked to actually be bolting crap together. My goal for this weekend is to have the interior back in, and get the cases finished up and bolted in. Should be finished in two weeks as long as the motor swap goes smoothly.:D
The sheet between the door and the tube looks great. It looks very proportional. I like it a lot.

If only XJ's had a frame I might buy one. :D

Man i love the build really intrested cause im planning one similar too...keep us posted

Outstanding, puts my mud runner to shame. :D

Well here's a little update for ya'll.

The weather has forced me to put the truck in my small ass 1 car garage. It's a little cramped but dry and i can work on the rig at nite now. The motor swap went smoothly and its all ready to fire.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4626.jpg

Spent the cash for some MORE bombproof motor mounts. They beat the crap out of the stock mounts (which came out in two pieces each).

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4627.jpg

Here's the reason for the new motor. This is what happens to a 4.0L when you hydrolock it at 4500rpm. I think i might make this my new shifter handle :D

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Rear driveshaft and gas tank are finished

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I started cutting up an S-10 rear shaft for my front two piece shaft. Here's the carrier bearing bushing mounted on the trans crossmember.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4631.jpg

And here's the hole my exhaust needs to snake through. I still don't know where the hell i'm gonna put a cat...........

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4630.jpg

The rear diff cover is finished. I like the way it came out, but it was way too much work. Next time i'll just buy a 3/8" cover

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4638.jpg

So theres how the truck sits as of tonite. Looking forward to driving it again soon. My goal for the weekend is to have it move and stop under its own power, we'll see if that happens.

And here's the hole my exhaust needs to snake through. I still don't know where the hell i'm gonna put a cat...........

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4630.jpg


That sucks, I have a similiar situation on mine. I think I'm going to hard mount the exhaust to the crossmembers and put a piece of flexible woven exhaust tube between that and the downtube...might be a good solution for you as well. Anything else I'm sure would rattle and be annoying.

brian,

you missed out today, it was a blast, ill stop by tomorrow and tell you about it.

Callen

back pix? bumper and such... full shot :cool2:

Any updates?

No real updates. I've been finishing some plumbing, wiring and linkages. Next update should be it running, maybe in the next week. I'll post pics as soon as i get a chance.

what is the other side lookin like for exhaust...could you make the pipe bend around toward the passenerside someway?

what is the other side lookin like for exhaust...could you make the pipe bend around toward the passenerside someway?

hes trying to snake his 2 piece driveline through the other side (the picture is looking from the rear forward on the passenger side, you can see the drivers side drop D44 on the pic). seeing the truck in person hell have no problem snaking a 2.25 through there. whats going to be tricky is getting the pipe not to move around too much when everything torques under load. suposedly hes got some ideas on bushings to hold it all in place real night.:grinpimp: :grinpimp:

Callen

Welp here's an update for you all. Got the truck running/driving last weekend. Put a good 500 miles on it driving to thanksgiving dinner with the folks, and this weekend i finished up the front driveshaft, aussie locker, and front axle shafts.

I figured it was time for some poser pics so i headed to a friends shop.......

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and since the pole was pretty easy i tried the loading dock

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Overall i'm fuckin happy :D. I still have to finish a couple little things, deal with a leak, build the belly skid, and she'll be ready to start collecting dents.

I think i accomplished my goals for the truck, she's low (4"lift), decently wide, i've got 22" at the belly (with no rock anchors), and the wheelbase ended up at 113".

Now all i need is hydro assist, cage, winch, superiors, ARB's, OBA, stroker, coilovers. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

HELL YA :flipoff2:

so nice :D

And wow does that make it easy for those meats to stuff in the rear, talk about all the room in the world :eek:

Looks great! Will prob use alot of your ideas in my build. Do you have any body flex issues with that much cut out of the rear? What gauge of sheetmetal did you use to fab up the rear fenderwells? Also are the rockers permanently mounted now? If so could you post some pics so i can see how they're mounted. Thanks.

Mudflaps :laughing:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4659.jpg

I got a ticket for that in my ZJ a few weeks ago :laughing:

Damn, I lost track of this thread for a while. That turned out really nice, and clean.

Kind of off topic, but how does the 8.8 hold up to the 37's?

Nice build.:cool2:

Damn, I lost track of this thread for a while. That turned out really nice, and clean.

Kind of off topic, but how does the 8.8 hold up to the 37's?

Nice build.:cool2:


Does that D35 hold up to 35s?

Sure, just depends on how hard you drive and how deep you push the skinny

Damn, I lost track of this thread for a while. That turned out really nice, and clean.

Kind of off topic, but how does the 8.8 hold up to the 37's?

Nice build.:cool2:

maybe he would know if he wheeled it:flipoff2: :flipoff2: it looks real cool though holding down the garage floor:shaking:

Brian,

got my cell back, call me when youre back in town, New Years its going to be off the hook!!

Callen

Those rear springs look like they are sticking out awful far..:rolleyes: .. if you reversed the rear springs wouldnt that move your wheelbase out more and protect the spring a little more. I know you would have to move the front hanger on the rear springs but should protect your springs and give you a better departure angle.

Great build, helped me sort out a couple issues of my own,

Good to see a fellow chico xj.

Looks great! what kind of rear springs?

any updates on this thing?????

Kind of off topic, but how does the 8.8 hold up to the 37's?

8.8 Will hold up fine. I would be more worried about the side panels and rear windows once he's on the trail. Nice build.

zman

Def carry some extra 8.8 shafts but 8.8s stock are good to 37" stock

No real updates, i've been all over the state for the past month and the truck just sat. I'm still fighting the crawlbox leak which is really pissing me off.

As far as the 8.8 goes i think it'll do alright. I got it to axlewrap hard at full throttle at the bottom of an undercut ledge with no breakage. I do have a lot of spare shafts and another carrier tho in case i run into problems.

I was wondering how the 231/231 combo will work, as I was studying this for my own rig after seeing someone do it on NAXJA (http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=68223). I just can’t see how it would last long (even with a gentle right foot)

4.0 motor......................220 ft/lbs (at flywheel)
Torque converter............440 ft/lbs (front of Trans)
Aw4 first gear (2.80).......1232 ft/lbs (input of first case)
Range box low (2.72).......3351 ft/lbs (input of second case)
T-case low (2.72)...........9114 ft/lbs (driveshaft)

The 231 is only rated for 1885 ft/lbs of torque max, and its getting 3351 ft/lbs and that is in the 241 power range. The torque would be within reason if you keep the aw4 in second (1.50) @ 1795 ft/lbs. of course this is all "in theory" but I am very interested in how this setup holds together.


Tommy

im pretty sure the input that madrooster makes is stronger than stock, plus brain swapped out the bigger chain off a 241 for a little more beef.

you also have to realize these numbers you have are PEAK ratings, if course the motor doesnt put out 220 ft/lbs at 1000rpm, it may put out a third of that, and thats where hell be running most of time while crawler.

Callen

I was wondering how the 231/231 combo will work, as I was studying this for my own rig after seeing someone do it on NAXJA (http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=68223). I just can’t see how it would last long (even with a gentle right foot)

4.0 motor......................220 ft/lbs (at flywheel)
Torque converter............440 ft/lbs (front of Trans)
Aw4 first gear (2.80).......1232 ft/lbs (input of first case)
Range box low (2.72).......3351 ft/lbs (input of second case)
T-case low (2.72)...........9114 ft/lbs (driveshaft)

The 231 is only rated for 1885 ft/lbs of torque max, and its getting 3351 ft/lbs and that is in the 241 power range. The torque would be within reason if you keep the aw4 in second (1.50) @ 1795 ft/lbs. of course this is all "in theory" but I am very interested in how this setup holds together.


Tommy

You have no clue how a torque converter works do you? It doesn't multiply the torque. If you have a 2000 rpm stall on your torque converter then transmission will get the torque that the engine creates at 2000 rpm.

You have no clue how a torque converter works do you? It doesn't multiply the torque. If you have a 2000 rpm stall on your torque converter then transmission will get the torque that the engine creates at 2000 rpm.

actually is does multiply the torque. i suggest you read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_converter

its very informative about torque converters. so, most of what he posted it true under full accelleration, or peak HP/TQ situations. where the TC creates the most torque is if you were to bind up and give it some skinny pedal.

Callen

im pretty sure the input that madrooster makes is stronger than stock, plus brain swapped out the bigger chain off a 241 for a little more beef.

you also have to realize these numbers you have are PEAK ratings, if course the motor doesnt put out 220 ft/lbs at 1000rpm, it may put out a third of that, and thats where hell be running most of time while crawler.

Callen

He did not use the chain from a 241, but the chain from a 231C (1/4 inch wider). The rated torque I used was for a 231, but even the 231HD is only rated for 1940 ft/lbs (similar to the 231C) (specifications found @ http://www.dodgeram.org/tech/specs/tranfer_case.htm).

I also realize that the numbers I used represent PEAK ratings. Take the 231HD (rated at 1940 ft/lbs) and work backwards to the flywheel and you would see that is 127 ft/lbs of torque coming from the motor. Look at this dyno chart and tell me where the 4.0 makes 127 ft/lbs of torque or more. (http://www.hypertech.com/images/dynocharts/jeep9699.jpg)
granted this data might be adjusted to make hypertech look better, but it’s still probably good enough for this discussion.


Tommy

any updates?

Yea... school started... I'm sure Brian's got a full load of fun

Yea no real updates. I haven't worked on the jeep since December. She Drives but needs a few things to get it trail ready. Hopefully sometime this month i'll pick a weekend, refill the kegerator, and get a couple friends over to help me finish it.

Badass build..just got a stock XJ and plannin on puttin it on skinny 38s and waggy 44s...im definatly going with the way you did the gas tank..that is really cool and smart....i saw some other ideas that you did that i liked and will do something similar...Thanks

Just reread the thread again. That is a badass XJ build. I like the attention to detail with the sheetmetal work. Looks just as good in person. I am the one that was bullshittin with you at Pismo last weekend. See you on the trail.

Nice build you got going.. Looks like it is all working well to.:smokin:

Its been a long time since an update, so why not one with the cherokee's first Rubicon Trip

Taking a hard line up Walker Hill

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Rubicon%20july%202007/DSCN0067.jpg

Soup Bowl in Six Steps

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Everyone's got to have a pic on the bridge right??

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a little tire stuff

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Rubicon%20july%202007/DSCN0120.jpg

V-dub Rock in Old Sluice

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Damn, looks like everything turned out great. Did everything work out the way you had hoped/planned? Looks awesome.

build some half doors and that thing will be badass!

build some half doors and that thing will be badass!

The door mounts are all buggered up now:eek: It's going to take some massaging to get some doors back on there:grinpimp:

Where'd you put the rest of the pics?

My frame is cracked in way more places than just that spot that separated. I'm going to have to replace that whole section...I just boogered it back together for high lakes this weekend :)

I dig it! Gotta love the tire stuffage! Nice work.

a little tire stuff

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Man, that shackle setup works perfectly. Those things look like they have a huge range of motion. you did a great job on the rear. notice any side effects with the shackle moving that much? any complaints about your rear setup?

kenny

build some half doors and that thing will be badass!

So its halfdoors that make it badass??? I think a cage a chromos are next, instead of more sheetmetal to collect dents.

Man, that shackle setup works perfectly. Those things look like they have a huge range of motion. you did a great job on the rear. notice any side effects with the shackle moving that much? any complaints about your rear setup?

kenny

No; axlewrap.

Dont know if it the camera angle but does your rear tire rub the bumper at full stuff?

since when is there a hard line up walker hill;)

looking good brian, wish i coulda gone, just too busy and too broke, but i finally put in the duals in the yoda. . . .2.17:1 is cool.

whens the next trip, im going for sure. . . .also, wheres the pictures from the box;)

Callen

That thing turned out BAD A$$. makes me want another XJ

I was wondering what kind of leafs your running?

how is the t-case? still lookin at box4rocks... just wonderin


tommy

damn good looking jeep. makes me want to finish the two cherokees i have

Hey about to do a 231 to 231 set up also but have been warned that its kind of weak, just wondering how yours had held up and if you have had any problems?

he blew the tranny in either sept or oct and the truck hasnt moved since. but i do remember him saying he did the chain swap from the chevy xcase.

Callen

Hey about to do a 231 to 231 set up also but have been warned that its kind of weak, just wondering how yours had held up and if you have had any problems?

No problems as of yet, but i did blow the trans a couple months ago. The 231's are holding up but i worry about front output on the second case, so i drive it accordingly. All in all i've been pretty happy with the performance of the truck, however for the time being it just sits at my folks house 3 hrs away and rots. . . . .

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4633.jpg

Is the gas tank just supporting itself from that lip and tacked onto the body? Have any of the welds cracked from the body flexing?

Nice build up.

What did you do about the rear shocks? I'm thinking about flipping my rear leafs around out back...


Keepin the 37's, don't know if i'll ever go bigger with this truck. My final goal with this one is to have a decently capable trail rig i can comfortably drive (read quiet) 75+ on the freeway with the A/c blastin.

So just how quiet is that thing on the highway...:grinpimp:

Bump for a great build...

Is the gas tank just supporting itself from that lip and tacked onto the body? Have any of the welds cracked from the body flexing?

I tacked the tank to my welding table to straighten it before it got dropped into the 1x frame. Its held down with 1/4" self tappers and some 1/8" tabs.

What did you do about the rear shocks? I'm thinking about flipping my rear leafs around out back...


Still no rear shocks :smokin:, you have to ask numtel about how it bounces down trails....

Quote:
Originally Posted by RockcontrolXJ View Post
Keepin the 37's, don't know if i'll ever go bigger with this truck. My final goal with this one is to have a decently capable trail rig i can comfortably drive (read quiet) 75+ on the freeway with the A/c blastin.
So just how quiet is that thing on the highway...

Bump for a great build...
Today 03:59 PM

Its silent :D
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/DSCN0002.jpg

Hows my axle shaft doing? :flipoff2: Nice Toy

Still no rear shocks :smokin:, you have to ask numtel about how it bounces down trails....


I bet it runs nice and smooth down the desert washes :D

Did you do anything in the front wheel wells; i.e. remove some sheet metal? I'm assuming you've pounded the pinch seem down but is that it, or did you take some metal out for better clearance?

And what kind of filler neck/top did you use; it almost looks like a TJ in the pics?

Thanks

I am not a big fan of XJs for the most part...but I really like what you have done, I like the custom work. Nice build.

That thing turned out BAD A$$. makes me want another XJ

And makes me glad I have one just getting started:flipoff2:

any more pics and detail of the gas tank tuck? I'm looking for ideas, and want to make a locking storage compartment around my raised gas tank enclosure. Thanks.

nice build is this xj in chico i would like to check it out a little closer if i could

nice build is this xj in chico i would like to check it out a little closer if i could

Well if you do hang out with Brian and see the XJ... If he has a pink axle shaft in the 8 lug 44, GRAB IT. Fawker owes it back to me :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Well if you do hang out with Brian and see the XJ... If he has a pink axle shaft in the 8 lug 44, GRAB IT. Fawker owes it back to me

Haha. Come get it Chase, the rest of the heep is getting parted out, and i'm gonna need a narrow width axle for the new 5 so i've got no need for your shafts anymore. I'm still surprised the only shafts i didn't break in that axle were yours . . . .

Very nice looking rig. I like how your rear tube fender turned out. Currently stretching mine to 110" and will be doing something simular in the rear

very nice man.

i recently swapped in some 63" chevy leafs all around and i ended up with a wheelbase of 112". i really dig how you did the tank the back and the comp cut fenders, came our real nice.

i got away with not having to put my gas tank in the rear because i inboarded the rear springs and mounted the shackle boxes on the underside of the "framerails". i cut the fenders so they would work but i think i might end up doing something like you did.

definitely a BIG THUMBS UP for you buddy.

Rubicon Express XJ 4.5" lift springs, with a couple leaves replaced with stock stuff

Looks great! what kind of rear springs?

I was wondering what kind of leafs your running?

Read... :flipoff2:

Just curious why you didn't go with a fuel cell instead of building all that to use the stock tank?

Amazing build btw. Badass.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/Wheelbase%20Stretch/IMG_4633.jpg



This is a real good build and hope you have been able to swap a new transmission in and wheel it. I just found it through another thread that had a link to this one.

I was thinking of raising the tank in my 2dr and mounting the spare tire on top of the tank cage. I don't have this even close to build stage yet (just planning a theory crafting on paper and in my head atm until I get some more $$), but would like some measurements if you could from the bottom of the rear windows to the top of the tank cage? and if its not too much trouble if you could toss one of your tires on top of the tank cage to see if the total height of the tire plus the tank are higher than the bottom of the window frame? I am assuming that you are running a 37x12.50 radial?

Dude, look 5 posts up. Its been parted out.

Dude, look 5 posts up. Its been parted out.

wrong

it just got sold again to another one of my friends, its even more trail ready now!

ahh, i must have gotten this thread confused with another thread that the guy was swaping a sbc and was parting the jeep drive train out.

Fawk Awph, are you able to get a answer to my question from your friend that has the jeep now? well if it still had the same tank setup.

wrong

it just got sold again to another one of my friends, its even more trail ready now!

Glad to hear that. This is one of my favorite XJ's out there.

i know you dont own this, but how did you mount the gas tank?

i know you dont own this, but how did you mount the gas tank?

I tacked the tank to my welding table to straighten it before it got dropped into the 1x frame. Its held down with 1/4" self tappers and some 1/8" tabs.


When I did my tank like this I just took the straps from the bottom and put them over the top. Stupid easy and the tank doesn't budge.

When I did my tank like this I just took the straps from the bottom and put them over the top. Stupid easy and the tank doesn't budge.

after you said something about the 1x frame i just saw it in the pic:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c132/th45cruzr/IMG_4437.jpg

thanks, im about to do this to the rear of mine if it doesnt sell by next week.

what did u do for the wiring in the rear? u have any pictures, i am currently comp cuttin my rear on xj

what did u do for the wiring in the rear? u have any pictures, i am currently comp cuttin my rear on xj

wow, i thought i was the only one who would revive a two year old thread!!! -