Trying to find a good price on a T3/T4 hybrid garrett turbo. Also any other information pertaining to turbos. Mainly how the waste gates work. Pics are also good. I've been looking around for some sights with turbo systems but not much luck. These turbos are for my vortec motor.
Thanks

84, look into the rice rocket shops in your area. I was searching for my VW and found tons of places for Garretts. if not in you area call hillside imports in Portland OR they may know of a cheap dealer. The ricers have some good stuff especially the cavelier guys(chevy) hope it helps

A T3 is ~45MB right? I have heard they are pretty expensive, thousands of $/mo.. Iv never heard of a T4 though, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist.


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Originally posted by The Retard
A T3 is ~45MB right? I have heard they are pretty expensive, thousands of $/mo.. Iv never heard of a T4 though, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist.


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Originally posted by Fullsizes Rule


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Cliff

86/87 GN's used T3/T4's, H compressor. Even has integral wastegate to keep install simple and costs down. They use a .63 but you can get .82 housings for them also. Might want to look into it if you're doing a 4.3. If you're going with an external waste gate you can get T4's pretty cheap and skip the T3/T4. I got a GN turbo on Ebay for $100 complete + $80 for a rebuild kit. If you need to know the basics there's some good books out there.

1990 5 speed dsm cars have a t3/t4 turbo.

I'm not sure that a turbo is really good in a rock crawling application. If you are looking for more power out of your engine, why not rebuild it with more displacement, and tourque?

Originally posted by BornInAJeep
1990 5 speed dsm cars have a t3/t4 turbo.

I'm not sure that a turbo is really good in a rock crawling application. If you are looking for more power out of your engine, why not rebuild it with more displacement, and tourque?

Wrong on the DSM's, a small T3 that's way to small for anything more than a 2.5. Turbo's do work great in rockcrawling. I know, I have one. You need low gears for the rocks so power isn't much of a concern there. You wouldn't need to make boost as you are idling/part throttle when crawling, and they make the road to the trail a whole lot more fun:D.

Originally posted by Clifton


Wrong on the DSM's, a small T3 that's way to small for anything more than a 2.5. Turbo's do work great in rockcrawling. I know, I have one. You need low gears for the rocks so power isn't much of a concern there. You wouldn't need to make boost as you are idling/part throttle when crawling, and they make the road to the trail a whole lot more fun:D.

funny, my 1990 talon has a t3/4 hybrid from the factory. do some research before you assume. Like I said it was just the 1990 5 speed all wheel drives. all the rest had the small t3's.

why complicate your motor by adding something you don't need on the trail?

"I'm not sure that a turbo is really good in a rock crawling application"

This is your assumtion.

"why complicate your motor by adding something you don't need on the trail?"

Because to some this is not complicating it but rather unleashing it, you had a turbo car, you know the power they make. Just as you don't need alot of things but why not.

No DSM's came with a T4 compressor from the factory. The 1st Generation DSM's didn't even use a Garret turbo, only the 2G's used Garret turbos and they still weren't T3/T4's. This is not an assumption but a fact. If your 1G had one it was after market.

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I don't know a whole lot about the ones your asking about but I'm a memer of http://www.syty.net/ I have a Syclone motor in my truck. Do some looking around their forums. Lots of useful info over there. There are a few guys that have other turbo cars and could also help send you in the right direction. Turbo guys hang together they don't care what your boosting. :D

You non turbo lovers are just jealous of the output you could have. :D

Bone stock output. Turbo motors are EASY to get more HP out of.

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No DSM's came with a T4 compressor from the factory. The 1st Generation DSM's didn't even use a Garret turbo, only the 2G's used Garret turbos and they still weren't T3/T4's. This is not an assumption but a fact. If your 1G had one it was after market.

that is true that the dsm's didnt have a t4 compressor. the only engine that i now for sure that came from the factory with a t4 compressor is v8's w/diesel????? and the t3/t4 hybread is indeed a hybread turbo, not a production car/truck turbo.

i can say that a turbo will open your eyes to the on road power but i don't think that a turbo for a "trail only" rig is a good way to spend money. but if it is for mud or hill climbs, ect. it would be worth while.

Cliff

Thanks for all the great info. The main purpose for the turbos is for on street. I only go wheeling about half a dozen times a year and most of those times are at pismo, racing. Besides, this seems like it would be fun to do. I guess I'm a little nuts that way.

I'm in the misdt of installing a turbo motor in my Jeep. I'm a bit concerened that it will kick in unexpectedly during things like steep hill climbs where the extra power might not be so welcome. I'm curious if you guys who wheel with turbos have run into this problem. I'm just afraid with my short wheelbase, if it were to kick in all of the sudden when i have good traction, I could endo.

My truck is not running yet but I have driven a few turbo cars. Boost is gradual and so it the power build. Yes you can feel the extra HP but it's more like a car getting into it's powerband RPM. That's the best example I can think of. It's nothing like NOS where the power is a hit right away.

Originally posted by Grandpa Jeep
I'm in the misdt of installing a turbo motor in my Jeep. I'm a bit concerened that it will kick in unexpectedly during things like steep hill climbs where the extra power might not be so welcome. I'm curious if you guys who wheel with turbos have run into this problem. I'm just afraid with my short wheelbase, if it were to kick in all of the sudden when i have good traction, I could endo.

Originally posted by The Terminator
My truck is not running yet but I have driven a few turbo cars. Boost is gradual and so it the power build. Yes you can feel the extra HP but it's more like a car getting into it's powerband RPM. That's the best example I can think of. It's nothing like NOS where the power is a hit right away.



TOTALLY depends on the size of the turbo. If you're running a little T3/T4 on a big V8, you're not going to notice a HUGE takeoff in power, it should be rather smooth. If you're running a bigass T78 or larger, then you'll start getting a kick in the pants, same thing with a Garett GT35 or so.

Talk to the boys at TRUELEO.COM about building you a custom T4 ;)

Originally posted by Grandpa Jeep
I'm a bit concerened that it will kick in unexpectedly during things like steep hill climbs where the extra power might not be so welcome. I'm curious if you guys who wheel with turbos have run into this problem.

Turbo speed is based on engine load. The more throttle, the faster the turbo spins, making more boost. You will have no problems. I haven't enjoyed my truck more since I've turboed it.

Originally posted by Clifton
"I'm not sure that a turbo is really good in a rock crawling application"


"why complicate your motor by adding something you don't need on the trail?"

Because to some this is not complicating it but rather unleashing it, you had a turbo car, you know the power they make. Just as you don't need alot of things but why not.

I agree that a turbo uses waste to make power. BUT, is it worth it when not trying to shave a few seconds off your 1320 time? A turbo recycles your exhaust gas which has to be cooled again before it's reused by the turbo(hence the intercooler), so it inherently makes your motor run at a higher temp. This is fine when you are going 100mph down a paved road, or flying over sand dunes. Do i want this on my rockcrawler that moves a few feet a minute? No thanks. I want my engine as simple, and cool as possible.


No DSM's came with a T4 compressor from the factory. The 1st Generation DSM's didn't even use a Garret turbo, only the 2G's used Garret turbos and they still weren't T3/T4's. This is not an assumption but a fact. If your 1G had one it was after market.

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You're right on this point, I was confusing the 16G with the t3/4 hybrid

Originally posted by BornInAJeep


I agree that a turbo uses waste to make power. BUT, is it worth it when not trying to shave a few seconds off your 1320 time? A turbo recycles your exhaust gas which has to be cooled again before it's reused by the turbo(hence the intercooler), so it inherently makes your motor run at a higher temp. This is fine when you are going 100mph down a paved road, or flying over sand dunes. Do i want this on my rockcrawler that moves a few feet a minute? No thanks. I want my engine as simple, and cool as possible.





Step away from the Hotrod magazines.

You know as much about turbos as I do about space ships:D An intercooler has nothing to do the exhaust and the exhaust does not need to be cooled either. It does not get recycled, it just spins the turbine wheel. Yes turbos do create a little more under hood heat and yes, making more power will make a motor put out more heat. It will ad a little temp to the oil too, big deal. Just as a V8 would make more heat than a V6. If they didn't work every auto manufacturer would not have used one in one point or another same with 99% of the big semis. If you don't like them and they are to complicated for you that's fine just don't mislead people with your lack of knowledge and misinformation on them.