I wanted to run the FJ55 rear springs all the way around (like woody)but cannot easily locate them at a price I can afford(CHEAP). I Know alot of the minitruck guys are running stock wagoneer springs and they measure 47inch eye to eye and have centered pins same as FJ55 rear springs. Anyone running these on an FJ? I would like to know how much lift over stock they give- roughly. I am not after exact numbers just an estimate.

If anyone is running them give me as much feedback as you can. Thanks in advance.

Chris

Are you going to use these SUA or SOA?

I can measure the axle tube to frame distance for you if you'd like. Then you could measure a stock rig and that would tell you how much lift it is.

I don't know how much lift I've got (it is alot) because I went from SUA to SOA and SR with blazer springs (93" wheelbase) and then to wagoneer springs (96" wheelbase). All my spring hangers and shackle hangers are custom except for the rear shackle hangers. Also, I used 2x3x1/4" tubing to make my spring perches (this gives me a little lift also).

I run waggies on the front. The thing is, there are different versions of this spring, 5leaf, 6, and 7 leaf packs(maybe more that I am not aware of) I run a 6leaf pack. AS far as lift over stock it really depends on many factors-# of leaves, perch hieght, shackles, spring sag, front hangers, etc. Mine sits about the same height as stock FJ40 springs in SOA configuration, but flexes much better. Note, the waggys are not centered, they are 22.5/24.5 if I remember correctly. If cost/complication is a consern I have a trick you might be interested in. I don't know what size tire you plan on running, but if you take a 45" CJ7 (rear spring)and use the tapered Chevy truck shackle, it will mount to the factory spring hanger at the rear of the front spring and put the shackle at the perfect angle. No cutting no/ no fabbing. These springs will sit totally flat on a 40 though without any extra arch put in them. ...Just food for thought if your running a smaller tire(33)

Good luck:beer:

I am currently SUA. I have an extra set of axles that I will be setting up for SO but will not be ready for that till after the summer. The plan is to do the shackle reversal and install the springs so I can wheel it this summer and then do the SOA this fall. I do not want to a ton of lift coming from the springs b/c I will be going SOA. . I am currently on 33x9.5 BFG's but just got a great deal on some 35 inch boggers that I'd like to stuff in there. I am NOT afraid to cut sheetmetal but only gain an inch or two in the rear wells.

Ideally I can pick up an inch or so from the springs and a little hieght while fabbing the hangers/shackles and fit the 35's with a little help from brothers Sawzall and WhizWheel.

Tankota- If you could measure that for me I'd appreciate it. Are you soa or sua?

DM- the info on the toy truck forum(FAQ sticky) says that I want the 7 leaf variety and that the pins are centered. Hmmmm...


Thanks guys- this board rulz

I have the 7 leaf packs, fronts off a Waggy, used them on the front and rear. Also used the short side toward the outside. They are really soft and flex well. I had to relocate the shackle hangers though. Left the fixed spring mounts in place and it set my wheelbase to 98.5". I like them.

Hey Red,
Can you confirm the springs are stock waggy front 7 leaves? You used them on both ends? Did they fit your stock spring hangers and shackles? Which bushings did you use?

Thanks for the info, I am very seriously looking at this option. Any other tid bits that would be helpful so I am prepared to complete this without a lot of hunting for misc. stuff would be appreciated.

What's the difference between the front and rear springs on a waggy?? Anybody know?

I have access to a set of rear waggy springs. But if they won't work I won't bother pullin them off. :D

I got the idea from a toyota truck guy and he didn't specify front or rear. I know the 7-leaf variety are the desirable ones. I am debating between these and f-150 springs-whichever yeild the least lift. Try your question on the toy truck board and fill me in.:D

Originally posted by ckolloff
I got the idea from a toyota truck guy and he didn't specify front or rear. I know the 7-leaf variety are the desirable ones. I am debating between these and f-150 springs-whichever yeild the least lift. Try your question on the toy truck board and fill me in.:D

HUH? Red FJ did it, why ask the truck guys, I wheel a Cruiser! Not trying to be smart, but the answer is here. Just want to keep this thread alive until the Cruiser guys with first hand experience can share the knowledge.

Originally posted by SpaceGhost


HUH? Red FJ did it, why ask the truck guys, I wheel a Cruiser! Not trying to be smart, but the answer is here. Just want to keep this thread alive until the Cruiser guys with first hand experience can share the knowledge.

Well if anything I will have some knowledge of this setup come next week, but I will be using rear springs. :D:D:D

Sorry dudes, I'm not much help on this subject cause all of my shackle and spring mounts (except the very rear shackle mounts) are totally custom and designed for a blazer spring. The 7leaf front waggies fit on perfectly in their place. I still have quite a bit of lean on the shackles (good lean) and the waggies flex ALOT.

Originally posted by ckolloff
I am currently SUA. I have an extra set of axles that I will be setting up for SO but will not be ready for that till after the summer. The plan is to do the shackle reversal and install the springs so I can wheel it this summer and then do the SOA this fall. I do not want to a ton of lift coming from the springs b/c I will be going SOA. . I am currently on 33x9.5 BFG's but just got a great deal on some 35 inch boggers that I'd like to stuff in there. I am NOT afraid to cut sheetmetal but only gain an inch or two in the rear wells.

Ideally I can pick up an inch or so from the springs and a little hieght while fabbing the hangers/shackles and fit the 35's with a little help from brothers Sawzall and WhizWheel.

Tankota- If you could measure that for me I'd appreciate it. Are you soa or sua?

DM- the info on the toy truck forum(FAQ sticky) says that I want the 7 leaf variety and that the pins are centered. Hmmmm...


Thanks guys- this board rulz


First, you are building a Cruiser not a Toy truck right? ...I'm not sure why they say a 7leaf is more desirable-especially on a mini truck(seems it would be too stiff) The 7 should work great on an FJ 40. My 6 leafs are soft, but not too soft.

I will have to find some time to go measure and verify that I have not sniffed too much glue, because I am 99.9 percent sure they are 22.5/24.5.

As far as rear wheelwell room, just find some TJ flares, cut to fit, and you'll have WAY more room back there for a big tire.
(times like now, a pic is worth a 1000 words-need that red star)

I too cannot offer much more info regarding your particular situation. My springs, mounts, shackles, etc. are all custom.
I don't know for sure, but I "think" the F150 springs are considerably longer and would set your front axle back-killing your approach angle....On the rear they would be awesome.
I run 54" chevy springs on the rear, so don't know about Waggys on the rear...

Tankota: Your rig sounds pretty sweet, what springs are you using on the rear?

:beer::rasta:

The 7 leaf packs are thin leafs. There are some stock packs out there that have fewer than 6 leafs with thicker leafs. The front Waggy springs are about 47" long when flat and they have offset pins at 22.5" and 24.5". These are really flat and soft springs when used on a Cruiser. The mini truck guys want the 7 leaf packs so they won't bend as easy from the axle wrap. The rear Waggy springs are longer, but I forgot by how much. FYI, the F150 springs are 56" long and have offset pins at 31" and 25". These are super soft as well and are usually ia 4 leaf pack.

The Rancho 44044 springs are for a Waggy front 2.5" lift. Here is a pic of them on my Cruiser. Sorry, I don't have any other pics with them on.

http://www.off-road.com/~estegall/tech/steeringtech/P2130003.JPG

DM & SpaceGhost- Yea I wheel an FJ40, i just mentioned the truck page cuz thats where I got the idea and since a bunch of those guys are runnin them they may be a resource for info. thanks for keeping this thread alive, hopefully someone who has done it on an FJ will share the experience.

Eric- Thanks for clearing up the centering pin offset. Is the Millitary wrap on the long or short side? How wide (inside) are the hangers you used? Did you fab them? care to share how& if you're happy with them? What is the bushing size/pin size?

everyone- Thanks:D keep it coming.

They are 2.5" wide springs with 3" bushings on the short side and 2.75" bushings on the long side (or close to it). They come with sleeves that reduce the pin size for a 9/16" bolt. They do not have military wraps, but the second leaf is under the eyes of the main leaf.

Apparently the diff is length between the front waggy and rears. NOt sure of length. I pulled one set off a waggy and the other off a J10, both fronts and both the same. They are 2.5" wide, narrower than the cruiser. They are 10" longer I think, don't recall. I use the factory fixed mount, then relocated the shackle hanger to create a nice 45 degree angle. Pics are somewhere, http://www.shortbus.150m.com/pages/tpe2%20(6)_JPG.htm , this is one, not great though. There are some more in there. The offset is like 2-2.5" and I am running the shorter side toward the shackle. Other than that, I like 'em, soft as hell, with the heavy cruiser and added tube. bushings, did not replace, slack, sure there is, add washers, it's a trailered rig now.
Later

Tankota: Your rig sounds pretty sweet, what springs are you using on the rear?

Front waggies at all four corners:)

Here is a pic from a couple weeks ago http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42484&highlight=Tankota+progress

Originally posted by Tankota


Front waggies at all four corners:)

Here is a pic from a couple weeks ago http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42484&highlight=Tankota+progress

Looks good,

I asked about the rear because you mentioned "blazer" springs....I assume you went from the longer spring to the waggy fronts on the rear to stretch the WB? I run s-10 springs on the rear of my 40 and have around 96" of WB. My shackles kick back to the very end of the rig, but the springs are long and flex well.
Again, cool rig:beer: