Um, this one did not bend back... Under it's own power. I now have a flexy tie-rod with a Hi-Lift jack handle on it. I think the rod would do fine in moderate wheeling conditions with 33's maybe? It has been under there for a year.

one more:eek:

Originally posted by CHOKEu
I miss my Scout II

Thats your problem right there :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

if you know anything about the properties of metal you know that it gets weaker when it bends and is bent back, i wouldnt want a flexy one :rolleyes:

i don't know what ever made anyone think a tie rod like that was a good idea :rolleyes:

- jack

Ohhhh, I see!:flipoff2: So, what properties would you be speaking of?:rolleyes: Please enlighten me here... Metals and their properties I am unfamiliar with!:flipoff2: :p

isn't there something about ANY flex in a tie rod that sounds bad?? YES!! You can only cycle alum so many times before it yeilds.

Kinda like a drive through liquor store, it was almost a good idea

Originally posted by WideJ
isn't there something about ANY flex in a tie rod that sounds bad?? YES!! You can only cycle alum so many times before it yeilds.

Kinda like a drive through liquor store, it was almost a good idea

and just imagine if you had hydro assist steering and your wheel was against a rock 0v0 <--your tie rod:D
metal properties:flipoff2: take a paper clip and bend it back and forth and see what happens:rolleyes: :shaking:

Originally posted by WideJ

Kinda like a drive through liquor store, it was almost a good idea

ahahaha ... until i went to watch the EROCC comp a couple of weeks ago i'd never seen one before. but doggone if there weren't 3-4 drive through liquor stores right next to each other right outside the city limits ...

- jack

Originally posted by WideJ
isn't there something about ANY flex in a tie rod that sounds bad?? YES!! You can only cycle alum so many times before it yeilds.

Kinda like a drive through liquor store, it was almost a good idea

Yes. Unlike steel, AL has a fatigue life no matter how much deflection it sees. As for the drive through liquior store, they would have my money in a heart beat. Thats a bitchin idea gregO. :fj:out

Ahhhh...

I was thinking of using some of that shit to make a cage out of, would it work?:flipoff2:

What up Choke?:)

Originally posted by fatkid
I was thinking of using some of that shit to make a cage out of, would it work?:flipoff2:

What up Choke?:)

Hey Fatty,

I think it would be sweet for a cage! How would you bend it though if it bends back?:D

Overall I feel I got my $ out of the little Al rod... nine trips to the Con, 2 through the Box, Fordyce Creek, Barrette Lake, endless trips over the Mini Con at Hollister. I think the TSL's and the Hammers did it in.

R.I.P little AL fella:(

Originally posted by CHOKEu



Overall I feel I got my $ out of the little Al rod... nine trips to the Con, 2 through the Box, Fordyce Creek, Barrette Lake, endless trips over the Mini Con at Hollister. I think the TSL's and the Hammers did it in.

R.I.P little AL fella:(

Here's a tissue :flipoff2:

Too much tire for the 'lil bastard to take :crybaby2:....Damn dude, now you have ME all teary eyed too :p:rasta:

Originally posted by Welby


Here's a tissue :flipoff2:

Too much tire for the 'lil bastard to take :crybaby2:....Damn dude, now you have ME all teary eyed too :p:rasta:

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :rasta:

Hey, nice lookin' pix, who took those?:)

Putting my enginerd hat on, I will say that the idea was valid;
That a tie rod made of spiffy modern 7000 series Al will bend up around 6" without permanent deformation, and with essentially infinite fatigue life. The problem is that if you happen to be trying to turn the wheels (to the left) while this bending is happening, the column loading will buckle it completely.

Very technically informative. All I know is we "dialed it in" with my winch and a hi-lift handle.:p :skull: :p
He was definatly GETTIN IT when it bent!

Originally posted by CHOKEu
Um, this one did not bend back... Under it's own power. I now have a flexy tie-rod with a Hi-Lift jack handle on it. I think the rod would do fine in moderate wheeling conditions with 33's maybe? It has been under there for a year.

And you think you need a 60 :rolleyes: the damn 30 is chewin up parts and spittin em back out. :D

Sprung steel is a fantastic tie rod material.

1 1/4" stainless alloy (not sure which alloy). It takes a huge amount to make it bend a little but it will spring back up to 6in of deflection (I have not been able to make it deflect even an inch yet).

Alum why?

:rainbow:

Ron

Originally posted by desertoy
Very technically informative. All I know is we "dialed it in" with my winch and a hi-lift handle.:p :skull: :p
He was definatly GETTIN IT when it bent!

Yup, D-TOY is the tie-rod staighting master! Thanks for the good weekend!

Originally posted by TDW


And you think you need a 60 :rolleyes: the damn 30 is chewin up parts and spittin em back out. :D

My D30 doesn't spit, it swallows... Fawker!:flipoff2:

Shouldn't you be putting on a long arm kit or something?

How long ago did you start that project? Two months ago!:flipoff2:

Originally posted by CHOKEu


Hey Fatty,

I think it would be sweet for a cage! How would you bend it though if it bends back?:D

Overall I feel I got my $ out of the little Al rod... nine trips to the Con, 2 through the Box, Fordyce Creek, Barrette Lake, endless trips over the Mini Con at Hollister. I think the TSL's and the Hammers did it in.

R.I.P little AL fella:(

Fully...:D

Originally posted by CHOKEu


My D30 doesn't spit, it swallows... Fawker!:flipoff2:

Shouldn't you be putting on a long arm kit or something?

How long ago did you start that project? Two months ago!:flipoff2:

Long arm? ummm...oh yeah....I do have those parts sitting out there. Two months ago sounds about right :flipoff2: What's my damn hurry? :D

Depends on the alloy used. I'm running an Alumaflex draglink
currently. Haven't had it long but have had no problems with it.

What was this one made from?

Jay

I think it is safe to say that most tie rods fail in buckling. That being the case the strength never comes into the equation. What matters is the elastisity of the material. All aluminums have about the same "E" of 10 (Mpsi) while steels all are around 30 (Mpsi). This means that a aluminum tie rod would be only 1/3 as strong as a steel one of the same dimensions.

I think I'll go for steel.

Anybody ever think about having a nice 1.5" dia shaft hardened - make it nice and springy!

why not just run a normal solid tie rod and not have this :rainbow: flexible crap that never seems to hold up? jiMMy

Originally posted by BIGDAN333
Anybody ever think about having a nice 1.5" dia shaft hardened - make it nice and springy!

I believe that GOAT1 was going to have his linkage done up in the induction hardener.

i dont know about you but i would rather have a bent tie rod than a broken steering arm. i would take the tire rod. granted you could make an indestrucatable tie rod but the what becaomes the next weak link? the inventer had a good idea but i dont think that they had the compression in mind. i say quit your complainin about it and deal with it. you live and learn. maybe next time youll think a bit before putting up the money.

Speaking of Stainless....Here are some shots of my Solid Stainless Steel 1" diameter Tierods and Draglinks.
I make them from the SS, and 1" .250 wall DOM tube for standard heavy duty replacment.
Then if ya want to get midevil on its ass I build these 1.25" thick .219 wall DOM tube and i can go Nuke proof with the 1.5" .120 wall sleeve over that:eek: :smokin:

I got guys running my SS ones hard with 38-39s and no bends yet to report:)

http://www.backcountrybinders.com/images/SSTierodsdraglinksSSbrakeLines.jpg
http://www.backcountrybinders.com/images/SStierodsdraglinks.jpg
http://www.backcountrybinders.com/images/SS-TieRodComparison.jpg
http://www.backcountrybinders.com/images/S-TieRod-ends.jpg

I sure like the way it polishes up so shiney. I love to listed to the Dumb asses who come up and make fun of me for "Chroming" my tierod and Draglink. I then say " So you think its funny and i am a dumbshit for chroming my shit hun" and they say "Yea thats weak shit now and will break" I then reply yea too bad you dont know shit, Its Stailess Steel" and walk off :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Jokes on them.:cool:

Originally posted by WideJ
Kinda like a drive through liquor store, it was almost a good idea

we still have these in Texas :flipoff2:

Originally posted by The Fleckster

I got guys running my SS ones hard with 38-39s and no bends yet to report:)


Some pretty pieces! :D
Jay

Anyone make a tie rod out of wood yet?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by fatkid
Anyone make a tie rod out of wood yet?:flipoff2:

Only ironwood......
Jay

"Anyone make a tie rod out of wood yet?"

Sadly yes. It was only to roll it on the trailer though. Took a 2x4 and drilled two holes for bolts and popped it on there.

Ron

I bought an alumi flex tie rod for our XJ & have no complaints about it. Its been on the rig for about 1 & a 1/2 to 2 yrs now.

TJ Chick

I am partial to my Rockstomper Rock Rods. I can jack the truck off the ground in the middle of the tie rod. No damage.

:D :D

Aluminum has about 1/3 the modulus of elasticity of steel but this does not make the material weaker, it just means the material has less stiffness. For example if you make two identical leaf spring packs, one out of aluminum and one out of steel, the aluminum pack will deflect three times as much as the steel one with the same load on it, giving you a third of the spring rate. Heat treating and shot peening do nothing to affect the modulus, it is the same for all steels and mostly the same for aluminum alloys.

When talking about strength you use the material's ultimate and yield strength, in many cases aluminum can be stronger than steel. You should consider if you want strength and light weight or strength and high stiffness in your design.

While aluminum does not have an infinite fatigue life and steel can, I dont think it is a factor in most tie-rod design and the failure in this case.

I think those tie-rods were made of 7075-T6 which rivals the bending strenth of 4130 tubing, the idea was to give the tie rod the ability to flex over a rock or obsticle instead of high centering the front end like a comparable steel one would do. It would take nearly the same force to permanently bend the 7075-T6 or 4130 tierods, but the aluminum one would deflect 3 times as much as the 4130 one before permanently bending.

The problem with an aluminum tie rod is the buckling strenth as mentioned above, the buckling strength is mostly a factor of the modulus of elasticity, for which aluminum has 1/3 E than steel. this means that for identical tie rods of steel and aluminum, the aluminum will buckle at 1/3 of the force of the steel one.

From what I understand the original ones that Shannon Campbell and others
used were made from 7075-T6. Alumiflex is supposed to be a proprietary 7075
alloy.

Jay

i dont know about you but i would rather have a bent tie rod than a broken steering arm. i would take the tire rod. granted you could make an indestrucatable tie rod but the what becaomes the next weak link? the inventer had a good idea but i dont think that they had the compression in mind. i say quit your complainin about it and deal with it. you live and learn. maybe next time youll think a bit before putting up the money.

:(
but i want bling anodized tierod/drag links...blue would be cool.:smokin:

whats your opinion now? cromoly or aluminim

Aluminum has about 1/3 the modulus of elasticity of steel but this does not make the material weaker, it just means the material has less stiffness. For example if you make two identical leaf spring packs, one out of aluminum and one out of steel, the aluminum pack will deflect three times as much as the steel one with the same load on it, giving you a third of the spring rate. Heat treating and shot peening do nothing to affect the modulus, it is the same for all steels and mostly the same for aluminum alloys.

When talking about strength you use the material's ultimate and yield strength, in many cases aluminum can be stronger than steel. You should consider if you want strength and light weight or strength and high stiffness in your design.

While aluminum does not have an infinite fatigue life and steel can, I dont think it is a factor in most tie-rod design and the failure in this case.

I think those tie-rods were made of 7075-T6 which rivals the bending strenth of 4130 tubing, the idea was to give the tie rod the ability to flex over a rock or obsticle instead of high centering the front end like a comparable steel one would do. It would take nearly the same force to permanently bend the 7075-T6 or 4130 tierods, but the aluminum one would deflect 3 times as much as the 4130 one before permanently bending.

The problem with an aluminum tie rod is the buckling strenth as mentioned above, the buckling strength is mostly a factor of the modulus of elasticity, for which aluminum has 1/3 E than steel. this means that for identical tie rods of steel and aluminum, the aluminum will buckle at 1/3 of the force of the steel one.

so how do you feel about the ones you sell?

i wants...:grinpimp:

Sweet!!! I want SS tie rods.....:smokin::smokin:

:(
but i want bling anodized tierod/drag links...blue would be cool.:smokin:

whats your opinion now? cromoly or aluminim

hmm lets see ... 2002 i dont even think i owned a 4wd yet and was in my first year of school at calpoly and thought i was tough stuff even though i hadnt taken strengths or any legitimate engineering classes for that matter. man was i lame.

if poly sells it id run it.

:(

whats your opinion now? cromoly or aluminim



so how do you feel about the ones you sell?

i wants...:grinpimp:

After using some of their HT 4130 for some lower links that has held up very well, I just picked up 4 1.25" solid 4340 tie rods from Mil Spec that I had brought up to mid 40's Rockwell.

I'm tired of building tie rods for JV, so we'll see how these hold up.

one more:eek:
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=18342&stc=1&d=1020191520

check out those clown wheels! durr dee durrrrr :laughing:

hmm lets see ... 2002 i dont even think i owned a 4wd yet and was in my first year of school at calpoly and thought i was tough stuff even though i hadnt taken strengths or any legitimate engineering classes for that matter. man was i lame.

if poly sells it id run it.

do you have a 4wd now? :confused:


:flipoff2:

i like em, i just got my 1 ton tie rod ends and a reamer from Poly so i wants em....:grinpimp:

might even step up to the plate and get some orange knuckles...:smokin: