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We have lowered our pricing on sammy kits!!!!!!

Thanks to everyone!:beer: :usa: :beer: :usa:

just out of curiosity...how does a sami peform on propane? mileage? power?

Same power as before. Offroad, mileage is far better than a carb. On road, same or a little less depending on how the orig. carb was running.

IMO propane is better

i had a dieing 1.3 and a dead carb. i upgraded to a 1.6 with a webber and was getting about 16 mpg.

since on propane i get about 17 to 22 mpg depends on how you drive mine mostly DD. and response is like FI with out the computer and other crap

I love the Got Propane system in my rig...

hey i've got a question....i've got an lj10 with a bad motor that gonna be swapped out. is there anything special i should consider?

obviously, i'd have to run a 1.3 sammy motor, but is that it?

another dumb question, the propane tank negates the need for a fuel pump, fuel system, gas tank, right?

What mixer are you running on these little motors? 300s? 225s? It wouldn't idle real well with a 425 thats for sure...

are fork lift tanks dated?
i can get 2 for $20.00,i think they are 8-10 gal.but don't want to get them if i can't use them in the future:D

another dumb question, the propane tank negates the need for a fuel pump, fuel system, gas tank, right?

Yes, all those parts can go in the trash when you install propane.

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I wanted to do this on my BUT what about long distance driving? Closest offroad park to me is a 4 hour drive one way. I've driven as far as 8 hours one way.

How far can I go on a tank that fits in a Samurai? Where do I fill up? How do I mount this tank properly? What if some ass hat rear ends me; do we all go boom? :confused:

I wanted to do this on my BUT what about long distance driving? Closest offroad park to me is a 4 hour drive one way. I've driven as far as 8 hours one way.

How far can I go on a tank that fits in a Samurai? Where do I fill up? How do I mount this tank properly? What if some ass hat rear ends me; do we all go boom? :confused:

I carry 16 gallons in my Samurai (2 tanks at 8 gallons each). At 15 MPG that works out to about 240 miles on a tank. Any place that fill propane tanks can fill it. If you look around you will find atleast one propane store in every town. I have 5 places that sell it close to my house in Fresno. Also most RV stores have it too.

Propane tanks are safer then gas tanks, so no worries there. I mounted my tanks in front of my tool box to prevent problems if rear ended. There is a lot of frame steel that stands between the tank and back of my truck.

Great; so with 16 gal I could make it to the offroad park (210 mi)! Also have enough left over to drive to my nearest propane and propane accessories dealer to fill up :smokin:

Think I could fit 2 of those 8 gal tanks up under where the stock tank is? I wanna keep the back seat. How about a setup like on the back of a fork lift; mount that below where the stock tank is?

are fork lift tanks dated?
i can get 2 for $20.00,i think they are 8-10 gal.but don't want to get them if i can't use them in the future:D

can someone help with this queston? or
knowbody knows?

Forklift tanks are designed for these setups... My work has 1 8 gallon and 1 12 gall. and it looks like it would work.

At our last coast trip, we were talking about when this guy ran out of gas, so he used plumbers' Brazing torch to get his 502 retired racing engine to shore.
Long story short, They said propane would burn a hole in the pistons and/or fry your valves.

I am only in highschool, so I won't be getting a propane setup anytime soon, but I like the idea. When I get the money, and my rig is all setup, I will consider propane.

Also:
We like to use forklift tanks for safety and easy refilling; they come in 8 or 10 gallon sizes. We can supply tanks for you if you are ordering a brand new one (U.P.S. won't ship them).





I have one question though. My bosses son is building a kick ass Sidekick from the chassis up, and this would probably appeal to him, but, it was a 93 sport and he took out the 16v DOHC Sport motor and put a 16v Sidekick in it. So, would this be something to consider?

At our last coast trip, we were talking about when this guy ran out of gas, so he used plumbers' Brazing torch to get his 502 retired racing engine to shore.
Long story short, They said propane would burn a hole in the pistons and/or fry your valves.

Running way to lean would burn holes in pistons and burn up valves; not because the fuel source was propane. Predetination also burns up pistons/rings/valves.

Propane can do valve damage. Harnded valve seats are needed, because there is no lubrication at all.

Motors that were designed to run on leaded fuel need that lead to lubricate the valves. If you switch a motor that was designed to run on leaded fuel to Propane then you will likely have problems with soft vale seats wearing out.

Any motor that is designed to run on unleaded fuel already has hardened valve seats and does not need lubricant in the fuel for the valves. Running an unleaded motor on propane will not effect the valves any differently then running it on unleaded gas.

All Samurai motors built for the US market from at least 1986 and up have hardened valve seats and work great on propane.

How about a setup like on the back of a fork lift; mount that below where the stock tank is?

Curious about this, too.

...This is something that I've considered for my '87.

I do have one 'deal-breaker' question though about 'adverse conditions;' how well does propane do at low temperatures? Would I have a problem running my Sami on propane at -40?

Curious about this, too.

...This is something that I've considered for my '87.

I do have one 'deal-breaker' question though about 'adverse conditions;' how well does propane do at low temperatures? Would I have a problem running my Sami on propane at -40?
Propane won't run at -40 thats right around its boiling point (-42.1°C (http://www.propane.ca/Resources/propane.asp))
Even down -20 to -25 you need to heat the converter to get it hot enough to start the motor.

I guess with some kind of heated tank it could work.

I hear you there; It gets cold in MN during the winter.

With the coolant lines you could heat the converter. However you'd have to have the coolant warmed up. Seems the common fix for this is having it be hybrid; being able to switch between gasoline and LPG. Warm it up on gas then switch to propane. Also wouldn't have to worry about being stranded if you ran out of LPG.

Problem with this: not enough room to have a usable gasoline tank and usable LPG tank. You could have both tanks but they would be small. Just not much room on a samurai. I spose if you didn't care about the rear seat you could mount the LPG tank back there and have two tanks of usable size. However I got two kids and need the rear seats =/

Is there maybe a way to use a preheater on the converter? An electrical device that you can switch on, using battery power, to heat up the converter. Then fire up the engine on LPG. Does the tank of LPG need to be heated also? Will it 'freeze' in the lines?

I'm interested in the Propane idea as well, but I don't want to run a regular propane tank, it's awkward, doesn't leave much room, etc. If someone made a rectangular propane tank, that would make me much happier.

runin lean on propane will not damage motor you just wont have much power,ive come close to runin out of fuel before,just went to the mixer and leaned it out and was able to make it back just lack of power is the only issue.somone asked about a mixer size for a 1.3l 100cfm is more than enough we want mixers on the small side for easy start up and quick throttle responce.there is an additive out there that will lubricate youre valves for propane engines.shit works good called cgx-4.propane engines like compression and lots of air dont need hard valve seats with additive.

I'm interested in the Propane idea as well, but I don't want to run a regular propane tank, it's awkward, doesn't leave much room, etc. If someone made a rectangular propane tank, that would make me much happier.propane guy .com has some weird size tanks there kinda square,were i live you need a removable tank for filling otherwise youll have to pay fuel taxes on it and most places arnt setup to charge you taxes properly so theyll refuse to fill.

can someone help with this queston? or
knowbody knows?tanks can be recertified,goto youre local supply store they can help with that dunno what it cost might not be worth it but it might

tanks can be recertified,goto youre local supply store they can help with that dunno what it cost might not be worth it but it might

thanks man:beer:

runin lean on propane will not damage motor you just wont have much power,ive come close to runin out of fuel before,just went to the mixer and leaned it out and was able to make it back just lack of power is the only issue.somone asked about a mixer size for a 1.3l 100cfm is more than enough we want mixers on the small side for easy start up and quick throttle responce.there is an additive out there that will lubricate youre valves for propane engines.shit works good called cgx-4.propane engines like compression and lots of air dont need hard valve seats with additive.

This was already coverd above.... modern engines that run on unleaded gas have hardend valve seats.

I just want to thank those of you that have placed an order! These are making people happy once and for all. No more problems with the way your rig runs!
Thanks again folks!
Cary:usa: :beer: :usa:

runin lean on propane will not damage motor you just wont have much power,ive come close to runin out of fuel before,just went to the mixer and leaned it out and was able to make it back just lack of power is the only issue.somone asked about a mixer size for a 1.3l 100cfm is more than enough we want mixers on the small side for easy start up and quick throttle responce.there is an additive out there that will lubricate youre valves for propane engines.shit works good called cgx-4.propane engines like compression and lots of air dont need hard valve seats with additive.
I have to say something... Are you from America?? Because there is a lot of punctuation missing.