Here is the scoop,
I pulled the drivetrain over the winter rebuilt the 727 and put in a d300 (read three months of gas in the tank)
New fuel pumps (aux electric and mech.)
New fuel filters at the tank and before the mechanical pump
New q-jet
MSD/pertronix ignitor ignition

Two weeks ago I drove it to work no problem, took it to lunch no problem, after lunch it started rev'ed to 1500 and killed, did this 5 or 6 times and then fired right up no problem. Drove it the whole next week no problem.

Last weekend I drove 4 hours to moab, fine. When I got to moab it started acting like it had a clogged fuel filter, it would stumble under load, and drop about 1000 RPMs. I changed both fuel filters, same thing would come and go and would stall when I got off the gas. but I was able to wheel...

Sunday I flopped :flipoff2: got the scout back on its wheels and it fired right up, after I burned the oil out of the cylinders I checked all the fluids, replaced the filters again and drove home. The whole way home it would surge and then drop 1000 rpms???

Today, I tried to drive it and it stumbled like mad and seemed to backfire out the carb???

Any ideas??

Bulkhead connector?

I've hear Some Electrical fuel pumps don't allow fuel to flow if they're not on. You said yours was a backup, so are you running it. That may be the problem.

PS: Old Scout

I can't figure out where this Bulkhead connector is. I don't see anything where all the wires come together. Am I stupid?? Do you have pics?

Is this it??

Originally posted by Cliffhanger

I can't figure out where this Bulkhead connector is. I don't see anything where all the wires come together. Am I stupid?? Do you have pics?

Is this it?? [/B]

Nope, not it.

Look at the passenger side firewall, near the heater box.

Go inboard, towards the hood latch a little.

You'll see two "plugs" - one sits above the other.

Those are the bulkhead connectors.

One is for the front lights (turns, head lights, etc) and the other is the engine harness - ignition, charging, etc.

OR.. follow your alternator/starter wires up to the firewall - there's the bulkhead connector.

Thanks, ;)

SO what is that in my pic. Is that the infamous GOLD BOX??

Originally posted by Cliffhanger
Thanks, ;)

SO what is that in my pic. Is that the infamous GOLD BOX??

Maybe. I can't really tell from that angle. Could also be some silly emmissions/vacuum doo-dad.. but the two wires coming out the top heading off towards the coil say it very well could be the gold box.

I have bypassed the bulkhead conector for everything important...

As for the electric fuel pump it will pull through and the problem exists with it runnuning and with it off...

It happened before I flopped so it can't be caused by the impact... I will most likely bypass the mech. fuel pump tonight and see if it is the issue.

:confused:

Pull the MSD and see what happens.... just make sure your coil is OK for the Pertronix, or you have the ballast resistor in there.


gut reaction: you think it is fuel or ignition related???

Originally posted by Cliffhanger
I've hear Some Electrical fuel pumps don't allow fuel to flow if they're not on. You said yours was a backup, so are you running it. That may be the problem.

PS: Old Scout

I can't figure out where this Bulkhead connector is. I don't see anything where all the wires come together. Am I stupid?? Do you have pics?

Is this it??

Sure looks like a gold box to me.

Originally posted by tsm1mt

Maybe. I can't really tell from that angle. Could also be some silly emmissions/vacuum doo-dad.. but the two wires coming out the top heading off towards the coil say it very well could be the gold box.


Originally posted by Hooper

Sure looks like a gold box to me.

So could this be the cause of my HARD STARTING PROBLEMS? :confused:

Originally posted by Cliffhanger





So could this be the cause of my HARD STARTING PROBLEMS? :confused:

*shrug*

I've NEVER had a problem with a Godlbox. Never had a hard-start problem associated with it, never left me stranded.. they've worked fine.

Usually if a GB fails, it either quits completely, or acts flakey.. but I wouldn't attribute hard starting to it.

Now, maybe someone swapped in a points distributor, but never bothered to wire up the starter bypass wire to give the points 12V when starting.. *that* (from experience) makes one hard-starting SOB.

Well when i put the new cap and rotor in I saw NO points so I don't think that's it. Thanks.:beer:

Originally posted by Cliffhanger
Thanks, ;)

SO what is that in my pic. Is that the infamous GOLD BOX??

Cliff, that is not the gold box, that is a vacuum actuater or some shit like that, I have it somewhere on a diagram that I stole off of someones website(maybe Toms),

The goldbox is the "GOLD BOX" (hence the name) mounted close by to the side and a little lower.

Here, I took a picture.

Thanks a bunch :beer: :beer: :beer:

Originally posted by Cliffhanger
Well when i put the new cap and rotor in I saw NO points so I don't think that's it. Thanks.:beer:

You DID look under the dust-cover for 'em, right? :D

Originally posted by tsm1mt


You DID look under the dust-cover for 'em, right? :D

I'm wondering this too, because from your picture, you don't appear to have a goldbox.

Originally posted by tsm1mt


You DID look under the dust-cover for 'em, right? :D

uhhh.....dust cover:confused: yeah I looked under that:rasta:

talk to ya later:flipoff2:

I think it is the ignition system...I am running a flame thrower (pertronix) coil so compatability is not an issue, my guess is the MSD or the ignitor is bad. I installed the ignitor after the MSD, and can not find the original wiring diagram. Should be straight forward but I am having a mind cramp? Also anyone know what the air gap should be on the ignitor?

Oh boy do you want to talk about wireing:D I was headed down from chester towards chico, it was just about dark when my radio cut out and my fan gave a distinct smell of burning wire. Less then a quarter mile later I was stuck on Hwy 32 in B.F.E! After a nice brisk 35 mile walk back to town and a tow, It turned out that the starter wire arced all the way up to the main plug on the firewall:skull: After four hours of cutting out bad wire and yanking out the connector all together it finally held a charge and hasnt ben a prob since:flipoff2:
Lesson Learned-Scout Wireing is :barf: to say the least, Let alone wireing that leaves you:confused:

Don't be a pansy! :flipoff2: What kind of scout doesn't have electrical fires?? I bought my scout and two weeks later I had a fire all the way to the ammeter. Fried the internal and external harness and took most of the carpet/backing with it. Fawking tinderbox :D. I am asking specfically about the ignitor!

It was the MSD if anyone cares....Anyone ever had to send one back? I wonder what repairs will cost me...