was looking at new dodge with 6.7l ctd. prefferably a 1ton dually with auto. wondering if anybody had driven one or heard anything about them or if iam better off getting the ol reliable 5.9 ctd. will use for dd and hauling and occassionally towing two rigs (jeep and scout).

If you are wanting the 5.9 better buy it soon cause january 1st all you will be able to get is the 6.7. BTW the 6.7 is identical to the 5.9 so the 6.7 is just the same ol reliable engine as it has always been.

If you are wanting the 5.9 better buy it soon cause january 1st all you will be able to get is the 6.7. BTW the 6.7 is identical to the 5.9 so the 6.7 is just the same ol reliable engine as it has always been.


Identical ???? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

From this to this.
They bolted on some much stuff to it, it looks like a powerstroke!
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=267015&stc=1&d=1160493911



http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=267016&stc=1&d=1160493911

From this to this.
They bolted on some much stuff to it, it looks like a powerstroke!
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=267015&stc=1&d=1160493911



http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=267016&stc=1&d=1160493911



No kidding. I have an '03 CTD and there's lots of room under the hood.
With the 6.7L it's all jammed up. :(

Holy emissions cluster!!!!!!!

probably cuts the MPG down I would think with more displacement. course who knows. everyone knows all deisels get 30mpg anyways. MINE DOES!

How can a 5.9 liter and 6.7 liter engine be identical? I guess you don't think there's a difference between a 39 or 44" tire then:confused:

from what ive read that the 6.7l they have released in the states is completely different than the one they have overseas and is not a 5.9l block bored and stroked. it sounds like it was designed from scratch. but thats just what i have read.
still looking for any good input anyone might have.

yup, lots of emmissions crap bolted to that engine. I think the next 5 years or so is going to be to diesels what the mid 70s-80s was to gas engines. Don't know if I would want an 07 or not. Wait to see how many problems they have and what needs worked out first.

No kidding. I have an '03 CTD and there's lots of room under the hood.
With the 6.7L it's all jammed up. :(
My 98.5 is so roomy, I sometimes sleep under my hood when camping. :flipoff2:

This is like when they killed the muscle cars with emmisions back in 72, the hotrod diesel days are over.
You can have my 98.5 when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

from what ive read that the 6.7l they have released in the states is completely different than the one they have overseas and is not a 5.9l block bored and stroked. it sounds like it was designed from scratch. but thats just what i have read.
still looking for any good input anyone might have.
Nope, based on the 5.9.

"Based on the proven DNA of the 5.9-liter Cummins turbo-diesel engine, the new 6.7-liter engine is 50-percent quieter, while featuring a 107mm bore by 124mm stroke (versus 102mm bore by 120mm stroke for the 5.9-liter engine). The new engine retains more than 40 percent of its components from the 5.9- liter engine and shares more than 80 percent of its components with the new Dodge Ram chassis cab."

From,
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/28/dodge-announces-powerful-67-liter-cummins-turbo-diesel/

My 98.5 is so roomy, I sometimes sleep under my hood when camping. :flipoff2:

This is like when they killed the muscle cars with emmisions back in 72, the hotrod diesel days are over.
You can have my 98.5 when you pry it from my cold dead hands.


Scott, IMO I think you're not quite accurate about the "hotrod diesel days being over".
I think these new diesels with the added emissions on them will slow the "bombing"
WAY DOWN, but only for a few years. Just like with gas engines, the aftermarket
will find a way to work with the new diesels.

Scott, IMO I think you're not quite accurate about the "hotrod diesel days being over".
I think these new diesels with the added emissions on them will slow the "bombing"
WAY DOWN, but only for a few years. Just like with gas engines, the aftermarket
will find a way to work with the new diesels.
I can agree with that. I do think it will change the way we get more power from them.

I guess if you compare gas engines from now to the muscle car era, we're getting huge power numbers from emmisions choked engines,.so you very well may have a valid point.

holy shit I thought my engine bay was crowded. :eek:

as for the emmissions stuff, im not worried....if some dude can design it, some dude and "un-design" it. Might slow down aftermarket for a few months but after that I wouldnt worry about it.

I think that the new emissions requirements on these new diesel is going to slow down the bombing, but at the same time I think the quality of performance parts will go up, as well as the price. I have read that BullyDog has been talking with the big three and have heard rumors that they have been able to spend some time with the new powerstroke.

The basics are still there, and adding fuel will still increase power in these diesels, the problem is going to be figuring out how to program around the safeguards and work with the complicated exhaust.

I think I will stick with my '01, there seems to be no slowing of the performance market for the older diesels. I know I can get far more performance parts for mine now than I could when I bought it 3 years ago.

The main hurdle will be emmisions testing, and how BOMB's will affect it.

We thought the 6.7 was bad........
I heard there was in engine in there somewhere
http://www.earnhartbuilt.com/2008/index.html

We thought the 6.7 was bad........
I heard there was in engine in there somewhere
http://www.earnhartbuilt.com/2008/index.html

don't worry about well done man... he's just bent out of shape because of his new work truck! :laughing: :flipoff2:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=267417&stc=1&d=1160695229

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=267418&stc=1&d=1160695229

the difference being that in the late 70's to early 80's power from gas engines went down the tubes. with these newer computer controled diesels, power is going through the roof. i mean really, they are coming off the show room floor with twins. how can you not like that?

no offence...I dunno why, but everyone thinks the twin turbos on the new powerstroke are gods given gift or something. Like just because it has "twins" its gonna go out and stomp every aftermarket-twinned CTD and duramax out there. The twins on the new powerstroke are two SMALL turbos. They do NOT flow any significant amount more air than the current 6.0 Powerstroke's single turbo does. The went to twins for emmissions. When you stomp on a diesel, before the turbo spools up theres going to be slightly more emmissions/smoke out the tailpipe because the turbo isnt spooled. The only way to reduce emmissions around town is to put a quicker spooling turbo on the engine. Appearently Ford/Navistar could accomplish this with a single turbo so they went to two smaller turbos. Each turbo is smaller so it spools quick, yet because there is two of them, it flows equal to the bigger single thats on the 6.0 Powerstroke. And because one of the turbos on the new 6.4 PSD is going to be a variable vane, and along with the clusterfuck of pipes necessary for the twin setup, you can be assured it wont handle modded EGT levels very well at all. Also, one being a variable vane, thats one more thing to replace. Two turbos, great, sounds super on paper and sounds really cool to the average truck buyer dude, but IMHO its nothing special...just something more complicated to break. And I pity the poor tech who has to work on them. :(

just my oppinion..

ben

don't worry about well done man... he's just bent out of shape because of his new work truck! :laughing: :flipoff2:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=267417&stc=1&d=1160695229

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=267418&stc=1&d=1160695229
Ummm wait a min. WTF !!!!! Something ain right ! NS NOT TO MENTION your file names.

IMO, what does it matter if the engine bays are cluttered and full. The days of being a shade tree mechanic are over with.

Ummm wait a min. WTF !!!!! Something ain right ! NS NOT TO MENTION your file names.

don't blame me... they're well done man's pics... I always new he had a colorfull side :rainbow: :flipoff2:

don't blame me... they're well done man's pics... I always new he had a colorfull side :rainbow: :flipoff2:
:flipoff2: hahaha!

Two turbos, great, sounds super on paper and sounds really cool to the average truck buyer dude, but IMHO its nothing special...just something more complicated to break. And I pity the poor tech who has to work on them. :(

just my oppinion..

ben


If it's not a good setup, then why do most big rigs have two turbos?

The 6.4L does not have twin turbos. The new 6.7L Cummins is using a variable vane turbo. I don't know about the Duramx, but I do know the upcoming Chevy front end is just goofy looking, even worse than the new Ford.


I'm waiting to see what GM and Dodge to as an answer to Fords upcomgin F450 pickup. :D If I needed to replace my '01 the only truck I would really want right now would be that F450 King Ranch. That's a SWEEEEEEEEEEET tow rig. :smokin:

The 6.4L coming out in January of 2007 does have twin turbos.:flipoff2:

The 6.4L coming out in January of 2007 does have twin turbos.:flipoff2:


The're sequential, if they were twins they would be the same. :flipoff2:

Now you are getting a bit technical. It is true they are sequential with two of different sizes. The only problem I see with the 6.4L is that it is going to take a special synthetic oil that isn't on shelves yet. But at least the oil won't have to be changed for 10,000-15,000 miles.

The're sequential, if they were twins they would be the same. :flipoff2:
LOL!!!!
I am a paternal twin, I guess my mom did not have twins but sequential babies, stop splitting hairs :flipoff2:

don't worry about well done man... he's just bent out of shape because of his new work truck!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=267417&d=1160695232
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=267418&d=1160695232


This can't be legal!

Is it a photochop? :laughing:

This can't be legal!

Is it a photochop? :laughing:
What can't?

My cousin is a tech for Cummins/Onan, and he drives a Ford PS van. It has a big cummins/onan logo on the sides.

My 98.5 is so roomy, I sometimes sleep under my hood when camping. :flipoff2:

This is like when they killed the muscle cars with emmisions back in 72, the hotrod diesel days are over.
You can have my 98.5 when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

I'm with you bro... I've fallen in love with this truck. :D

http://www.iwouldntfollow.us/gallery/albums/album32/IMG_0297.jpg

I'm with you bro... I've fallen in love with this truck. :D

http://www.iwouldntfollow.us/gallery/albums/album32/IMG_0297.jpg


Sounds gay to me.:flipoff2:

Sounds gay to me.:flipoff2:

That's fine with me, this 8 year old truck runs better than any new vehicle I've ever owned... and my wife likes the noise it makes. :rainbow:

What can't?

My cousin is a tech for Cummins/Onan, and he drives a Ford PS van. It has a big cummins/onan logo on the sides.


Im not speaking literally...

Its ironic thats all...:D

What can't?

My cousin is a tech for Cummins/Onan, and he drives a Ford PS van. It has a big cummins/onan logo on the sides.

The place where I used to work had 2 huge 5 megawatt backup generators and both were Cummins powered. Once a month we would have a Cummins tech come out and service them and he always showed up in a 3500 CTD with a work box on the rear. The day I purchased mine he was there so I thought I would go over and ask him what he thought. He explained to me that he didn't know a damn thing about the Cummins found in the Dodge trucks and he might as well be driving a Toyota if anything broke because he wouldn't even know where to start looking to fix it. My heart hurt for the rest of the day after he told me that. :D

Why did your heart hurt?

Were you welding with your pacemaker again?:flipoff2:

So, can they still sell '06 models with the 5.9 after jan 1 that are left on the lot or are the dealers gonna be scrambling to sell what remaining trucks they have? It might be possible to pick up one of the last 5.9's for cheap towards the end of the year.

I'm with you bro... I've fallen in love with this truck. :D

http://www.iwouldntfollow.us/gallery/albums/album32/IMG_0297.jpg

The perect hot rod truck. No computers, box's, chips or tuners needed.

So, can they still sell '06 models with the 5.9 after jan 1 that are left on the lot or are the dealers gonna be scrambling to sell what remaining trucks they have? It might be possible to pick up one of the last 5.9's for cheap towards the end of the year.

I'm sure they would still be able to sell them but my guess is lots of people have the same idea as you and are buying them up before they're stuck with an 07. I doubt there will be a ton of 06s sitting on lots.

Why did your heart hurt?

Were you welding with your pacemaker again?:flipoff2:

:flipoff2:

The perect hot rod truck. No computers, box's, chips or tuners needed.

I'm not looking for hot rod, I'm looking for "run forever" and maybe add a little more power later. :D I'm doing the KDP fix as soon as my kit arrives and I'll drive her like this until the 5th gear nut falls off.

http://www.iwouldntfollow.us/gallery/albums/album32/truck6.jpg

Im not speaking literally...

Its ironic thats all...:D


Proves that even Cummins knows that the whole truck needs to be reliable, not just the engine. :flipoff2:

Proves that even Cummins knows that the whole truck needs to be reliable, not just the engine. :flipoff2:

That would be really funny if it weren't so true. :(

Someone should come out with a badass "crate truck" to sell to Cummins owners when their Dodge trucks fall apart around their CTD. :laughing:

Most big rigs don't have twin turbos. The only one I'm aware of is the Caterpillar Accert engines. and they;re sequential a a part of they're emmisions control strategy.


If it's not a good setup, then why do most big rigs have two turbos?

I'm not looking for hot rod, I'm looking for "run forever" and maybe add a little more power later. :D I'm doing the KDP fix as soon as my kit arrives and I'll drive her like this until the 5th gear nut falls off.

http://www.iwouldntfollow.us/gallery/albums/album32/truck6.jpg
Damn, they nt only shorted you 12 valves, the forgot to give you a transfer case. :flipoff2:

Most big rigs don't have twin turbos. The only one I'm aware of is the Caterpillar Accert engines. and they;re sequential a a part of they're emmisions control strategy.



Wouldnt it be refered to as "compound turbo sysytem" since it is based on one turbo suppling the volume and the other serving as the compressor.

you could call it series as well for sure like Cat does, but how ever you call it one turbo feeds the other, among other things like variable nozzels and variable valve actuation.


http://ohe.cat.com/cda/layout?m=115239&x=7

Damn, they nt only shorted you 12 valves, the forgot to give you a transfer case. :flipoff2:

Both not purchased very much by choice. :flipoff2:

Wow.. glad I still have my 04.5 thats not all cluttered to crap.. I like my 5.9 thanks.
Scott

Damn, they nt only shorted you 12 valves, the forgot to give you a transfer case. :flipoff2:

Maybe the t-case is in the 1-1/2' of bed they left off? :grinpimp:

So, can they still sell '06 models with the 5.9 after jan 1 that are left on the lot or are the dealers gonna be scrambling to sell what remaining trucks they have? It might be possible to pick up one of the last 5.9's for cheap towards the end of the year.

Its based on the build date, so yes, they can sell whatever they have left over.

Pete

Maybe the t-case is in the 1-1/2' of bed they left off? :grinpimp:




Pete
I missed that part. :laughing:

Someone should come out with a badass "crate truck" to sell to Cummins owners when their Dodge trucks fall apart around their CTD. :laughing:
Brilliant!