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Abner
10-11-2006, 06:49 PM
I plan to build a pan fill C4 with an Art Carr valve body, AA shorty kit and a new deep pan, and winters shifter. It will be between a stock 302 and a 3.8 atlas on a trail buggy.

I am curious if anybody has a pan preferance as well as a rebuild kit preferance, and why? I'm leaning toward a art carr pan, and a hughes rebuild kit.

Also is anybody running the winters shifter with the shorty AA kit? I'm concerned about the shift linkage, but don't have it built, so I can't tell.
jmccart
10-11-2006, 10:28 PM
a little off topic but ive got a built c4 forsale pm me if interested
glfredrick
10-12-2006, 05:53 AM
We've got a running discussion of the pan on a C4/5 going over at RRORC. Some of the guys have already tried the deep-sump pan and are now going back to a very shallow pan, which seemingly keeps more fluid in contact with the pickup at radical angles than does the deep sump pan.

Personally, I'm not sure if this is true or not, and I'm going to have to play around with it a bit before I decide.

I have several pans to play with, and I may make a plexi cover with an attached filter so I can see what happens in the pan when I tip it to various angles. I may end up with some fancy pickup design with rolling check balls that pulls from either end of the pan or something, or I may just end up running the shallow pan and adding capacity somewhere else in the system, via filter, cooler, remote sump, accumulator, etc.
Dusty
10-12-2006, 07:14 AM
I used to run a TCI deep pan on my C4. Also had an extra cooler and I overfilled it a little. It never ran out of fluid on extreme inclines. One key mod to do if you have the trans disassembled for rebuild is to pull out the press-in breather and thread it to a common thread size. Later you can install a hose nipple to run a hose up to a breather high on the firewall. This will keep you from puking fluid on extreme inclines.

I'm not sure if I like the idea of a shallow pan just to keep from starving on inclines. It seems anti-intuitive to me. It seems to me the answer would be more fluid not less. Not only that, autos need to stay cool more than anything else, and the more fluid you have the cooler it will stay. JMO

Dusty
glfredrick
10-12-2006, 08:56 AM
I'm more inclined to think in your (Dusty) direction than in the direction of the shallow pan myself...

I've also modded all of my vents to head for the sky... :D

Here are a couple things I've found -- not Ford specific, but relative to the question.

http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/general/listing.cfm?articleID=286

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=700+307886+4294908331+115+42949056 12
Quick & Dirty
10-12-2006, 02:04 PM
I'm surprised the Bronco pan hasn't been mentioned. Not the easiest thing to find, but could be replicated. I think the BII with C5 had something similar. Mostly shallow to keep fuid from sloshing around, with a deep well around an extended pickup to keep it submeged on angles.

http://webpages.charter.net/w01845730/pictures/100_2504.JPG

Oh yeah, heres the extended pickup, which is not included with replacement filter, but could be duplicated.
http://webpages.charter.net/w01845730/pictures/pickuptube.JPG
Abner
10-12-2006, 02:06 PM
This is the pan that I currently have, but wouldn't a deep pan accomplish about the same thing, but also provide additional volume?
Proeliator
10-12-2006, 02:07 PM
TCI deep pan, never had any problems.
glfredrick
10-12-2006, 02:21 PM
I've got that exact Bronco pan as pictured above. It is an inch deeper than the stock pan, plus it has the bump out on the bottom. That is likely the pan I'll be running.

Any chance of posting a pic of how that filter pickup extension fits into the filter? I'm not sure if I can purchase that part, and I may indeed have to replicate it.

Here's why I need the deeper pan... :D I know 'Sploders aren't supposed to be able to do this, but it does. :laughing: Actually, the C4/5 tranny is going into my Ranger project, so it will get all this and more. BTW, I made the climb.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l173/4Given4x4Pics/2006%20Calender%20Year/Badlands%20Oct06/IMG_8400.jpg
ImNotRight
10-12-2006, 02:31 PM
i bought all my parts from bulkpart.com

all I am using is the kit with red clutches and standard steels, a burly4x4.com shift mod I think in the second stage they show. I'm pretty happy with it.

btw, using the stock c5 pan from the b2, (looks like shown) and this filter:

http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductList.aspx?mfrpartnumber=ft1035

haven't wheeled it yet so I can't comment from there, but I had no problems with bulkpart supplied stuff. works well.
Abner
10-12-2006, 04:06 PM
Proeliater
Are you running the exteded pick up in the TCI pan?
Proeliator
10-12-2006, 04:52 PM
Proeliater
Are you running the exteded pick up in the TCI pan?

Yup. Which is probably one of the reasons I haven't had any problems.
Quick & Dirty
10-12-2006, 04:53 PM
Any chance of posting a pic of how that filter pickup extension fits into the filter?

It just fits into a rubber grommet on the filter, no hold down or anything.
http://webpages.charter.net/w01845730/pictures/100_2505.JPG
Mr.N
10-12-2006, 05:37 PM
i bought all my parts from bulkpart.com
2nd. I was happy with them.
broncolou
10-12-2006, 06:06 PM
I run the AC valve body and had to overfill to keep it working at extreme angles 60+ degrees,most trail machines wont see that. The off camber was much worse than the front to back climb/desent. My 1st gear compression braking is much more positive now as well. The overfill I run is too much for a street driven truck but fine for the trail and short street trips.
broncolou
10-12-2006, 06:06 PM
I also run a car C4 pan:D
glfredrick
10-13-2006, 09:50 AM
Thanks for the pics! They are helpful.
Mr.N
10-13-2006, 11:16 AM
I run the AC valve body and had to overfill to keep it working at extreme angles 60+ degrees,most trail machines wont see that. The off camber was much worse than the front to back climb/desent. My 1st gear compression braking is much more positive now as well. The overfill I run is too much for a street driven truck but fine for the trail and short street trips.
How much you over fill? I've heard 1 qt is good.
Mr.N
10-13-2006, 11:18 AM
Value Body Q

Who make a good reverse valve body with compression braking in 1st gear?
Other than Art Carr (Which has gone down hill to the point I don't want to buy parts from the company)

Edit -> Anyone try the Transgo -3 kit?
Proeliator
10-13-2006, 11:43 AM
Value Body Q

Who make a good reverse valve body with compression braking in 1st gear?
Other than Art Carr (Which has gone down hill to the point I don't want to buy parts from the company)

Edit -> Anyone try the Transgo -3 kit?

Yea, its sad how the Art Carr brand has declined since it was bought a while back, isn't it? Anyways, I don't know how much help this is since it was for a c-6, but I used that transgo kit in it and it worked great.