As my last rig is totally dead, R.I.P., I am going to looking for one to build up. I want to go with a smaller vehicle and was thinking about a Sami. I was worried about parts, power of the small motor and other things. Then I happened to think of a Bronco II. But I don't know much about them. I know they come with a 4 and 6 Cyl. but do the also come with a 302? How is the after parts situation for them? Any input/opinions would appreciated. :D

nope the bronco II never came with a V8 and if your building a trail truck buy a body and add axles, motor tranny ,and case its a very decent wheeler i love mine and the wheel base is about 94" on the bronco II :D
all the above mods are not super hard and it all bolts right in with minor mods .

Alx pretty much said it best

BII weigh a lot more than Samuri's 3200 vs 2200 (those are the weights i've read) yet they are stronger (in my experiance) their are a lot of aftermarket companies that offer different items to aid in the 302 swap. All Bronco II came with a V6. I personally would go with the Bronco II But I might be a little bias.

The reason I asked about the BroncoII is I saw on advertised for $600 in the paper. If its got the 6 cyl. that should be good for a start. The Toyota I had only had a 4cyl. It was ok on the trails but it sure did suck getting there. :D Any recomendations on the drive train?

the V6 is a good start if it has an auto it is week but you can put a C5 behind the 2.9 which is a really good tranny if its stick
its just a little better than the auto but will hold up far better .

as far as axles it will have a D28 upfront good to about 31" tire the rear will be a 7.5 it has 28 spline axles and can hold up about 36 but not recomended:eek:

the explorer D35 is a bolt in up front and nets you the 297 ujoints but for the cost of that and a lift it would be cheaper to swap in solid axles :smokin:

Go samurai!

The BII IFS is tricky to lift, The samurai has a solid axle and leafs. It's drivetrain is similar to a Toyota p/u. The samurai weighs less, has smaller wheelbase, usually does better wheelin' than a BII. The only down side to sammys is the engine, (it's no bigger than a sewing machine) The 2.9 does better
If it's parts your looking for, BII's have more support, the parts are easier to find, and usually are cheaper.

;)

Go Zukie!!!:flipoff2:
Stick with the 1.3 or go 1.6, then a Sumo t-case with 6:1, full size toyota axles with 5.13 R/P, full cage, Any thing YOU want, with these rigs, they are great!!!:D

If i was to do it all over again.
Get a sammy, stock motor, who cares right?
FULL width 60 rear, full witdh 44 front, some marlins and you would be living large

Smmies are cool and all, but I would (and have) go B-II. The frame is an awsome platform to start with. Rip out the IFS shiat and put a decent set of axles under it with a 302 and a 305 or dana 20 and you are ready to rock. And if you want to later you can whack off the top. If you dont want to do any swaps I would go sammie.

you would be impressed at what either can do stock or modded. If the bronco2 is a 90-91 it'll have a dana 35 in it already too (same u-joints ad the early bronco dana 44) The ttb ifs is great for rough terrain at speeds, and the 2.9 is a good runner with ok power if it's heads aint cracked. You can go as low as 5.13 gears in the stock b2 axles also, though issues may develop with breaking gears as they will be so small (though i would be the sami prolly is about the same deal. replacement axle shafts should be relitively easy to find for the dana 28 too, when you break em! IMO, B2!!!! :) check www.rrorc.com for more stuff about em.

go BII
You have more room inside, its inclosed. You can esaly swap an EB D44 up front. The 302 is allwasy an option and fits really well inside with a little force. All in all I think the BII is a very good choise.
Justin<><

Thanks for the input and links guys. Definately gave me some things to about. Another factor is how freaking hard it is to find a Sami out here. I have only seen one in a junk yard ( totally raped) and one for sale in papers and online in a couple of months of looking around a bit. The B2 is more readily availible.

Allright we got another one in the class of Rangers/BronoII yaaaaaa
Justin<><

Don't even think of a bronco II get a solid axle 4runner, toyota or sammi not a BII, my friend hated his

Originally posted by pitter
Don't even think of a bronco II get a solid axle 4runner, toyota or sammi not a BII, my friend hated his

What type of wheeling did he do that it performed bad enough that he hated it? or was there other problems?

Originally posted by bogger
If the bronco2 is a 90-91 it'll have a dana 35 in it already too

Ford quit production of the bronco II in 1990 for the production of the explorer in 91.... also for you to get a D35 in the from of the Bronco II you must buy a 1990 model that was built in the VERY end of the year with a build date around Nov/Dec.....

Bronco II is a MUCH better platform to build off of than a Sammuri...... everything is just stronger then if you plan on swaping EVERYTHING the BII is easier and allows more room..

Go with a Samurai, you won't regret it, I've driven just about every 4x4 out there, and nothing compares to how much fun the Samis are, it's great being able to go places all your buddies can't fit.

If you need help finding one let me know, they're around in the PA area.

the biggest thing i keep thinkin though, is how many sami you see in the boneyards for parts? and how many of them havent already had the driveline raped? you see LOTS of bronco2 and ranger's in the yards for whatever reasons that you can yank shafts from

the biggest thing i keep thinkin though, is how many sami you see in the boneyards for parts? and how many of them havent already had the driveline raped? you see LOTS of bronco2 and ranger's in the yards for whatever reasons that you can yank shafts from

that's relly the case, if you get a samurai you either have to have $ to keep running (you had a toyota so you know the $ problem), or you have to get creative . Most of the Samurai guys i know swap out most of thier drive train and use other parts, while most of the BII owners use stock or bolt in mods with the exception of axle swaps. So the real question is, how creative can you get? If you can answer that, then you know which vehice is right for you.
:beer:

If you buy a good Samurai and build it right you're not going to need parts from the boneyard. And besides, everything you might want you can find on Trackers and Sidekicks, which seem to be abundant at the local yards.
You don't see many Samis cuz they run forever. The stock 1.3Ls are good for 200K easy.
Alot depends how big you're looking to go. You can build a Sami to handle some pretty tough rock crawling on tires up to 33" using stock Suzuki parts. If you're looking for 35" or bigger then all you have to do is swap in Toyota axles (mini-truck or FJ-40) and you're set. You can still keep the reliable (and light) suzuki drivetrain.
You build a BII to run large tires and you're gonna have to replace everything int he drivetrain, not just the axles. Plus you're still stuck with the heavy, ugly, hardtop.
I think you'll have more fun with a Samurai. Think you could flip a BII on it's side, then push it back over with the help of a few buddies and drive away with nothing but a few dents in the rear quarter? I doubt it, but that's what I did with my Samurai today.

Ranger motor tranny and t-case will work out just as good as that of a sami. Axle wise, rangers are fine at 33's too, with dana 28's, if locked, ocasionally you will pop a u-joint and often the shaft with it, but a sami will pop the birfields too. And ya can go to a bone yard and grab another set of dana 28 shafts for $25-$75 for the whole set. Thats all if your running em stock. If yuo start swapping parts, as stu said, it's as far as you wanna take it then. Once you start swapping axles and whatnot, it becomes more a preference of looks and how comfortable you are in a tini sami!! hehe.

The being able to flop it and shove it back over with the sami is kinda nice, but heck we had a minor flop this winter with bronco2mudder from RRORC's b2 and we just had a few push on the roof and drove outa it to. :D :flipoff2:

Well both can be good wheelers if you set them up right but how much $$$ will you have to put out to get it there. And you need to think of the type of wheeling you will be setting up you rig for??

I am starting my build up of an 85 Bronco II in two weeks here is a short list: I-6 300cid, NP-435, NP-208, D60's front & back with Detroit's, cut top off, full cage,and by next year a Atlas II, and so on

I hope to have it on the trail by the end of summer

Ranger motor and trans might be allright, I've heard alot about cracked heads on the 2.9s. Thing I think gets you is the t-case, for $400 you can go to a 4.16 low range in the Sami t-case. Nothing like that on the market for Rangers. For $850 you can have a 6-1 in the case.
Here's a link to some Samurai pics (http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/n/w/nwh103/4x4/2002-05-05/index.html) from this weekend
I think Samurai are cheaper to build in order to get to the same level of off-road capability.

Why not a Tracker or a Sidekick? I am not real versed in these type vehicles, I have an EB, but they are way more abundant here anyways. They have a newer interior and layout, bigger inside, the 1.6, the top comes off, and you should be able to mod them like a Sammy. I could be off base though, as I said, I don't know these vehicles well, just thought I'd throw it out there. Good luck with what you go with.

one company is now currently making a doubler transfer case for b2's and rangers. :D

I have a buddy with a Samurai. I have to say its a very capable wheeler. He hasn't busted any major driveline parts yet, but he's only had it fixed up serious for a few months now.
The Sammy also rides really rough (almost to the point of needing a kidney belt).

I've had my Ranger for 8 years now and it has served me very well. The BroII's driveline is very similar.
The best one to start with is the above mentioned '90. Many have the Dana35 frontend in it with a Ford 7.5 rear.
The D35 is a very strong axle in a light BII. It has the Spicer 297X axle joints and is high-pinion.
Although the TTB aspect intimidates a lot of people, its a very workable setup. You just have to have a decent liftkit whose brackets won't bend, throwing out the alignment. Skyjacker has good TTB kits that flex well. If TTB scares you though, by all means do a solid axle. You won't go wrong with that, either.

Whatever you do, don't bother putting any $$$ in the POS Dana28 thats in most other BroIIs. It barely able to be used as a boat anchor, its so tiny.
Originally posted by bsumner
one company is now currently making a doubler transfer case for b2's and rangers. :D
What company is that? :bounce2:

I vote for a sami with 44 front, 60 rear and 3.0/mazda 5spd/homemade klune/d300 driveline... Oh wait, that's a great idea! And all for under $3500!

Originally posted by 4x4junkie
...

What company is that? :bounce2:

T&M Offroad Products (http://www.tandmoffroadproducts.com/)

I'm voting for the BII. It seems everyone is running a Sammi if not a Jeep (in terms of short wheel base vehicles). Do something different. I'd be willing to bet you'd see more Sammis than BIIs on the trail.

Um, I might confuse some terms, but I think I'm right... The BII has more unsprung weight, so when yer crawlin, the Zuk might not have the extra weight the BII has to get that lil extra flex to get some traction.... I think I was right on that, if not, someone help me out here :flipoff2:
Pete

A budy of mine has a sammi with 31" and the 4 cyl and 4.10 gears he can't go anywhere. That thing is SOOOO SLOW.... with a 2.9 V6 and 3.73 and 33" I could actually run 70+mph on the interstate.

Whatever I get will inherit the 33's off my dead Toy. I'm a broke fawker. The $500+ I spent for the 33's I got to use them ( Plus the have full road hazzard :D ) One of the things I find appealing about the B2 is I haven't seen another in this area wheeling. It is kinda a challenge to do something different. I have seen a Sami wheel in Wellsville OH. Dude was getting it. The input you all have given is great, keep it coming. It gives me a lot ideas for how to approach the new rig.

Originally posted by JimL


T&M Offroad Products (http://www.tandmoffroadproducts.com/)

I'm voting for the BII. It seems everyone is running a Sammi if not a Jeep (in terms of short wheel base vehicles). Do something different. I'd be willing to bet you'd see more Sammis than BIIs on the trail.


I figure this doubler will be like electric lockers and never happen...... just my opinion.


Yes I know you can make your own...

My friend had an 84 BII, the engine was under powered, carb sucked,it had bad sounds from the tranny in nutral, mind u his wasn't in the best shape. He did most of his wheeling in stock form in a pit near by, it had water, mud, hill climbs and some ruts, his thing would get stuck everywhere and it wasn;t his driving because i could make it through in my stock 85 toyota and couldn't in his BII. BII's doesn't have solid front axle which makes it hard to lift and TTB is not the best to wheel with, my friend has it in his F150 and he hates it. in BII they don;t have very good groung clearance under anything, especially the gas tank, it has a skid plate but the wheels are not far enough back and u will always bottem out on it. U said u wanted to build up a BII because u haven't seen them around...... so there must be a reason for that, and u are not rich so do something that is tried tested and true, like 44044's on toyots and the chevy rear spring swap. people have swapped in toy drivetrains into sammi's for a while now and have worked out all the bugs, I was wondering what year toy u had, and if u still have it, because if u swapped in engine, tranny, t case, solid axles into a sammi with a spring over and a lift and 33's it would go anywhere. sammi's are cheap, and even cheaper to so mods to. just my 2 cents. Why not a solid axle toy? Good luck on the truck purchase whatever u choose good mods will come, either way u will have fun wheeling it and building it.

From what I have seen,the Samurai is very unstable.The wheel base is short and narrow and very prone to roll.Both sideways and end over end.I have been on rides with Samis and saw them roll over in very mild situations.If you have to choose between the two,the BroII is a much better platform to build on.

Originally posted by TNMAN
the BroII is a much better platform to build on.


Sorry man I read this, and this part had LMAO. The BroII, the latest in pimp mobiles. LOL :D

On a serious note, how much longer is the wheel base of the Bronco 2? I saw a Sami about do an endo also:eek: The width is nice on both for getting into tight spots but once lifted the CG can make things interesting on any narrow vehicle.

B2 = 94 inchs

i just did a ride with a sami and the b2 the sami was nice went ever werer i went but he did not like the decends or side hilling
it was much more tippy then the b2 and im 5 inchs higher :eek:

im runnig FS axles with 38's and he had toy axles with 36's made for a fun day ,id like to build one way cheaper but i think the wheel base would have to stretch on it :D also in the mud the sami engine lacks a little :nuke:

Originally posted by dangerranger33



I figure this doubler will be like electric lockers and never happen...... just my opinion.



They are for sale now:rolleyes:

Well both are kool......I have a '90 BII now, with a factory High-rider option (off a Ranger). it does well with the stock 2.9L/Auto tranny, and BW1350 T-Case, it has about 155k on the clock, and is also my Daily Driver for now, (till I fix the Xploder, again) It will take 31" tires with no problems this way, so with a 2" body lift you could fit 33's easy.
The rear axle is a bit weak, but a Xploder 8.8 will fit nicely, and they are alot tougher. try to get a '90 BII if you can, but if you look you can get some pre 90's that have 4.10 gears stock (rare) 3.73 is the common gear set.
the 2.9L is a good engine, I have had several, and if you watch the temp, you'll be fine, the heads do crack, but only if you overheat them. a 4.0L Radiator will drop right in, and will kool that engine very well, the stock Rad is a bit marginal though. one thing you will notice..The BII is a BLAST to drive!!!

Now for Sammies....
I am also currently looking to build a sammy.....but for different reasons...Like anything else, they can be real cheap to buy/build, or real expensive. I want the Sammy so I can flat tow it behind my Xploder, and I always wanted to have one . I dont have much info on them, but they look relativly inexpensive to build. as far as availability, I have been told by a few on the boards here that driving across country to get one is common.
as far as drivtrain, I will probly put in a larger engine in mine when I get it, but not so much I cant run the stock running gear, at least for awhile.....

hope that helps:D

Ive owned EB, swb 150, cj5 FJ40 and sammis and i have to say the sammi is the most fun i have ever had. The short wheel base can be an advantage in tight situtations and they will climb steeps and they dont roll as easy as everone thinks. As far as weight on climbs what is easyer to push up a hill 4500 lbs or 2500 lbs. Look at the comp buggies they are getting lighter every year because some one figured out moving weight up hill is hard.

I like them so much that Ihave two zuks myself one has a coil suspension 3 link front and rear with tracker 1.6 , 4.1 case and 5:38 gears with 33 sampers. the other i just built a few months back .

Its got a tracker 1.6 16v t180 automatic 4:1 case with 4:56 gears 37 swampers coil suspension, EB dana 44 front in the rear and wagoneer d30 in front, tubed out and 100" wheel base. In moab ive climbed the rock pile, white knuckle with out any problems, just drove righ up them.

Get the zuk and streatch out the wheel base a little
just my 2cents worth

my vote sami, u could easily modify it, everyone knows how to that owns one and there is a good aftermarket for parts unlike a BII

Here is my idea, from purely a money stand point.
My.02 33's would be tough to fit on a BII w/ no suspension lift, even with a cheap 3" body lift. With some fender trimming it could be ok, for sure in a 9.50 wide! But to see if you are considering a BII this is one cheap way to start. Also if it's main function is off road, I would chop the top from the rear side windows back and install a full cage or at least a roll bar. Then you can decide how much $ you want to spend from there. Or sell it then and still recover most of what you put into it. Before doing a suspension lift/ 8.8 swap,D44 swap or D35 swap. Also consider the 4.0L swap as it basically bolts in with some mods. Mainly EFI & computer wiring. This set up is about a 150 lbs lighter on the front end than the 5.0L and should provide you enough power to go anywhere. But a V8 is impressive too. I'm still considering all these mods to my 85'eb,B2. good luck.

go BII...
if you need a parts bronco II, or any of yall for that matter I have one for sale..... email me and let me know if you're interested...

Originally posted by bigsquirt
Here is my idea, from purely a money stand point.
My.02 33's would be tough to fit on a BII w/ no suspension lift, even with a cheap 3" body lift. With some fender trimming it could be ok, for sure in a 9.50 wide! But to see if you are considering a BII this is one cheap way to start. Also if it's main function is off road, I would chop the top from the rear side windows back and install a full cage or at least a roll bar. Then you can decide how much $ you want to spend from there. Or sell it then and still recover most of what you put into it. Before doing a suspension lift/ 8.8 swap,D44 swap or D35 swap. Also consider the 4.0L swap as it basically bolts in with some mods. Mainly EFI & computer wiring. This set up is about a 150 lbs lighter on the front end than the 5.0L and should provide you enough power to go anywhere. But a V8 is impressive too. I'm still considering all these mods to my 85'eb,B2. good luck.

in a mag there was a B11 2" body and 38" swapmers and a 5L.:p NO other lift and no flex, and weak drivetrain for those tires and engine but oh well, his choice:eek:

there is no question the BII has a good aftermarket following.... the D44 is almost a bolt in along with the 302/C4/D20 Then an 8.8 or 9 in the back. with a wristed arm up front. YOu willl flex like mad. Before you ever have the money for the upgrades you could beat the SH!T out of it in stock form and if you break somethin the parts are eVERYWHERE

Originally posted by pitter


in a mag there was a B11 2" body and 38" swapmers and a 5L.:p NO other lift and no flex, and weak drivetrain for those tires and engine but oh well, his choice:eek: HUH? please explain in english

in 4wheel magazine there was a 1989 bronco II with a 5L on stock drivetrain, on 38/14.5/r15's, 2" body lift and a "little" grinder work, radiator to the back, data of magazine is march 16th 2002, under readers rides, there is about 3 inches of room over the tires till they hit the fender. looks kinda funny but it would work for mud boggin and trails that u don't need flex,:eek: I can't post pics but i could scan it and e mail it to someone to post if u want to see it.:D

Send em to me...Gozuki (gozuki@hotmail.com)

ahhhhhh i see but this will last forever a B-2 vs sammi is pointless they are both good platforms one is lighter than the other one has a better stock wheel base than the other and so on :flipoff2:
so just pick a body style you like and go from there because ether
way they are fawkin money pits and need upgrades:beer:

one bad ass ride :flipoff2: :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Do any of ya'll know anything about the BW1350 Doubler transfer case? (personal experience, strength, price?) checked the website and it was pretty slack on information.

Originally posted by alx
one bad ass ride :flipoff2: :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

That's not an 89


Get a sammy, Bronco II's suck :D

They are both great rigs...

The real advantage the Samurai has over all other rigs is the fact that the Axel and Pumkin is very small with TSL 31's (that actually only measure 30" true diameter) on stock Sami Axels you'll get 10.25" of clearance under the pumkin (If you got a true 31" measured tire then you would get 10.75" of axel clearance that is excellent clearance for any rig..) you can beat the hell out of a Zuk with 31s and not worry about braking them + it's really cheap to gear them down to match a small 31" tire and the 1.3L motor can drive them easily, if you had an Toy Axel with 35's you'll get around 11 and 11.75 if you have the pumkin shaved at best aired down because the punkin is much larger, if you then compaired the Sami to the Dana 44 and 35s your going to get less axel clearance, based on this and the weight it's very easy to see how a mildly set-up Zuk can easily go places that only other built rigs with 35s can go, so the cost is obviusly less even to drive since it gets 22 mpg and you can instead put this money that has been saved into other better items like plush coils and 4 links and new seats then it will ride like a CAD or more beer: :beer: for others on the trail to enjoy.

I love the EB the way they look when set-up, but they suck on gas milage 8 mpg maybe with 35s thats the main reason to buy the little 1.3L gas saver (FYI 40K miles / 8 mpg = 5000 gallons times $1.50 per gallon = $7500 compaired to 22 mpg Zuk 40K miles / 22 mpg = 1818 gallons times $1.50 per gallon = $2727 you'll save $7500(EB GAS)-$2727(ZUK GAS)=$4773 dollars forget about the money pit and good luck finding a nice one used, it will cost you major $$ to set up you'll need at least 35s or you'll get schooled by a little Zuk with 31s on the trail and that would be a real bummer....so I would think twice about what rig to buy because more money saved means more beer: :beer:

I have a Zuk (31s TSL, 6.1 Tcase, Exo Cage, yad yad yad) and love it, but they are not for everyone they suck over 65mph, but then again it's not made for the HWY it made for the trail!::

Buy an EB :D

Originally posted by alx
one bad ass ride :flipoff2: :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

holy shit!!! I know that kid! I had no Idea that rig was in a magizine!! he live 30 miles from my house back in MN...

It used to have 31x12.50 boggers under it, and went really good with them.. now with 38's its a good mud machine.. Amzingly enough.. its NEVER broke an axle, but eats trannies all the time..

What mag was that in?

I would say go witha 90 BII, so you get the dana 35 up front.. the 7.5 will hold up pretty damn well..

With the 302 in mine, and 31's I destroy front shafts all the time..

FWIW, mines for sale, cheap, with a fresh 306 and F-150 5 speed..

Originally posted by rockinranger62
Do any of ya'll know anything about the BW1350 Doubler transfer case? (personal experience, strength, price?) checked the website and it was pretty slack on information.

A guy on this board is running one, i think he's got 42's, D60's, and a stock 4.0l/5spd and has beat the crap out of it without failure.. It's not the double that'd break, the rear case will probably granade first. Then put an atlas behind the doubler and not have to worry about it :D

Originally posted by letitride

I love the EB the way they look when set-up, but they suck on gas milage 8 mpg maybe with 35s thats the main reason to buy the little 1.3L gas saver (FYI 40K miles / 8 mpg = 5000 gallons times $1.50 per gallon = $7500 compaired to 22 mpg Zuk 40K miles / 22 mpg = 1818 gallons times $1.50 per gallon = $2727 you'll save $7500(EB GAS)-$2727(ZUK GAS)=$4773 dollars forget about the money pit and good luck finding a nice one used, it will cost you major $$ to set up you'll need at least 35s or you'll get schooled by a little Zuk with 31s on the trail and that would be a real bummer....so I would think twice about what rig to buy because more money saved means more beer: :beer:


Wait one second...it's not fair to compare the gas milage of an EB to a Sami...that is 35 year old carbed truck to a 15 year old EFI truck...Compare an EB with a MAF 5.0 swapped in to a Sami and your talking apples to apples...And at that point your gas argument doesn't mean a thing...:flipoff2:

Now to answer the real question at hand:
If it's between a Sami and a BII go for the Sami...They are light weight, cheap and with some added wheelbase and a full width D44 and D60 would be unstoppable.

However, if you want a real truck go for an EB, since that's basically what you would turn the BII into anyway...but don't listen to me since I'm biased.

Originally posted by ImNotRight


A guy on this board is running one, i think he's got 42's, D60's, and a stock 4.0l/5spd and has beat the crap out of it without failure.. It's not the double that'd break, the rear case will probably granade first. Then put an atlas behind the doubler and not have to worry about it :D

Hey! I think I might know that guy :D

Originally posted by Danger Ranger


Hey! I think I might know that guy :D


doubt it! the guy that has that would not have replyed with a gay ass :D .
he would have said" hey fawk yea im him"and used one of these :flipoff2:

Originally posted by alx



doubt it! the guy that has that would not have replyed with a gay ass :D .
he would have said" hey fawk yea im him"and used one of these :flipoff2:

:flipoff2:

i missed this back in 47 when it started but am glad it got drug out da cellar.....




cause jhon deer ranger is gonna get it...:rolleyes:

see bottom few posts of this thread and this is why you do not want to waste your time with a bronco II. we put 2 motors, in this thin 2 transmissions, and 3 driveshafts(rear) and all it was, was body lift 3", 33-12.50 swampers, and tubbed rear.

when built right a bII can be tons of fun. Not 100% positive on the specs of this rig, but I think it was: 9"/HP44 combo, 302 backed by an np435, and some stretched wheelbase. he was on like 36's I think. it def. wheeled well.

now, if I had to choose between a sami and a bII, I'd go sami cause they can be built for way less $$$.