I cannot find full circle retaining clips anywhere for my Warn Dana 44 axle shafts!

Where the &%$# do you find them? I've called DTD, Randy's, etc. and all of my local parts shop and no one has them.

Warn gave me these part #'s to use: Tru Arc part #: 51000 118 or Rotor Clip part #: SH-118 or any standard external retaining ring for a 1.188" shaft.

I searched the internet for both companies and could not find either.

Anyone know?

call moser - there spendy but worth it- Jess

Here ya go:

www.truarccorp.com

(973) 926-5000

Gotta love google!

I found mine at a couple local auto parts stores. Just ask to see their selection of retaining rings and find some that work.

That is it! Thanks for the help Diligaf! I searched under dogpile instead of google.

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Originally posted by RSQJEEP
I cannot find full circle retaining clips anywhere for my Warn Dana 44 axle shafts!

Where the &%$# do you find them? I've called DTD, Randy's, etc. and all of my local parts shop and no one has them.

They are made by Tru Arc part #: 51000 118 or Rotor Clip part #: SH-118 or any standard external retaining ring for a 1.188" shaft.

I searched the internet for both companies and could not find either.

Anyone know?
Looking at the specs on the Tru Arc (http://www.truarccorp.com/) site for the PN 5100-0018 (could not find a reference to the PN 51000 118) that ext ring may not work,, it is . PN 5100-18 is .050 thick.. the OEM clip is .058 But the price is right. I just called TruArc, and found a Dist in CA, $.60 each for quan of 50, or 320 @ $.094 You do the Math..LOL

So what the thoughts./... IS a ring slightly thinner (.008) than the Spicer part, going to be a problem?

PN 5100-0118 is a standard carbon ring,,, if you get them in SS they are .002 thicker, which would make it .052 VS Spicer of .058

SS is of course more $$$$$ about 1$ more each. Min quant of 100

Just to make things more confusing, one Jeeper said: "I do happen to know. You can call Jack at CTM Racing. He has a couple thousand in stock. 949-487-0770.

Just so you know, the inch ones do not fit that great. We use metric clips and they fit perfectly. "

Which do I use now???

Has anyone else used these full clips on their dana 44 Warn axle shafts? Which did you order?

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Originally posted by RSQJEEP
Just to make things more confusing, one Jeeper said: "I do happen to know. You can call Jack at CTM Racing. He has a couple thousand in stock. 949-487-0770.

Just so you know, the inch ones do not fit that great. We use metric clips and they fit perfectly. "

Which do I use now???

Has anyone else used these full clips on their dana 44 Warn axle shafts? Which did you order?

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TruArc also makes a ring in MM, at 1.3 mm thick, which is .05118 Not better as far as I can tell.

But another company may make a correct dia ring in say 1.4 mm which would be .05512 better than the inch one at .050 or .052 (in SS)

So it's back to the search mode.. Must................................Find.......... ........................corect.................... .........ring..................................... .................................................. .....................

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RSQJEEP
[B]Just to make things more confusing, one Jeeper said: "I do happen to know. You can call Jack at CTM Racing. He has a couple thousand in stock. 949-487-0770.

OK, so what size is he using?

And is Jack saying these work? Is it what he supplies with his joints? Which now that I think about it does not mean anything,,,,,,,,he may have designed the grove in the CTM joints slightly thinner, so as to work with a more available (thinner) ring.

I've made my long distance calls for the day.. Somebody close to CTM, give um a call as see what the deal is.... What size, how much, ect ect....

doesn't everyone have local hardware store? The local ACE/ HomeDepot/ etc... should have them, if not tell them to order some. They are 1 1/6 ID. The best thing is to bring a clip with ya and stare and compare. They are so much less in price than what an Axle place has tp offer.

Originally posted by kodak
doesn't everyone have local hardware store? The local ACE/ HomeDepot/ etc... should have them, if not tell them to order some. They are 1 1/6 ID. The best thing is to bring a clip with ya and stare and compare. They are so much less in price than what an Axle place has tp offer.

I'm betting you have A: never measured the OEM clip VS the Hardware store version, OR B: you have and know it's the wrong one, and run it anyway? OR C: you lucked out and your local Ace has a product that no other place as of yet has been able to supply.

Not flaming ya, just want to know the real deal.. Do you have any of these every day all day long available ext snap rings? can you measure one for us?

EDIT: Not sure about your HD Store, but the HD here will not special order hardware, they are a Walmart, Sears, Kmart.. What they have in the store is what you can buy.

Gees, I just got mine at NAPA:rolleyes: I had no idea it was so hard to find these

Originally posted by Robert
Gees, I just got mine at NAPA:rolleyes: I had no idea it was so hard to find these

Well then the same questions to you

I'm betting you have A: never measured the OEM clip VS the Hardware store version, OR B: you have and know it's the wrong one, and run it anyway? OR C: you lucked out and your local Ace has a product that no other place as of yet has been able to supply.

Not flaming ya, just want to know the real deal.. Do you have any of these every day all day long available ext snap rings? can you measure one for us?

If you can take the time I'd really like to know what you got.. specs and a part number if ya can. Thanks

RSQJEEP---find any clips yet? Got mine at Home Depot....about 50 cents each.....they seem to work just fine in a front end app....look at this link about 5 pics down... http://dreamwater.com/zuk/toyotapattern.html

Originally posted by ZUK
RSQJEEP---find any clips yet? Got mine at Home Depot....about 50 cents each.....they seem to work just fine in a front end app....look at this link about 5 pics down... http://dreamwater.com/zuk/toyotapattern.html

Same questions as above, can you measure them and post back?

I don't have the baggie they came in. but I will take a look the next time I am at the HW store. and like Zuk said, fiddy cents, not the $4 buck from moser or the like.

Originally posted by kodak
I don't have the baggie they came in. but I will take a look the next time I am at the HW store. and like Zuk said, fiddy cents, not the $4 buck from moser or the like.

Cool thanks

I'm headed over to HD now, but last time I checked (3 months ago) the only ones they had of the correct Dia, were .050 in weidth.. In MHO that is to thin and will allow the joint to walk back and worth in the yoke. Spicer clips are .058. If your using .050 clips, that would allow the joint to move .018 back and forth. Not a good thing.

Here's some info from MadXJ..com... thanks to Jeff

Central 4WD 297 U-joint full snap ring kit. It includes 8 new snap rings (which are thinner than stock Spicer c-clips), and 8 shims to make up the difference in thickness. The shims are designed to go inside the caps of Spicer U-joints and tighten it them up. Many folks run the u-joints with snap rings alone and just deal with the small vibration that may develop due to loose u-joints, but this kit tightens up the u-joint to stock specs. It was $25 from Bill Van Tuyl.

So in other words you could cut up a .008 feeler gauge and put it inside the cap and use the 50 cent snap rings....

Any thoughts about this?????

Here's a link
http://www.madxj.com/MADXJ/technical/technicalfiles/JeffFrontD44/images/large/AugFrontD44Update11.jpg

I think a solid homemade shim would also work

I measured the metric rings I am partial to, and they are .058 thick with an inner diameter in the relaxed state of 1.090.

If you measure the stock clips from a Spicer 297x, I think you will find some surprising similarities.

If you do get a chance to contact Jack and get his dimensions, they also will be very similar.

Still want them?

Originally posted by mrblaine
I measured the metric rings I am partial to, and they are .058 thick with an inner diameter in the relaxed state of 1.090.

If you measure the stock clips from a Spicer 297x, I think you will find some surprising similarities.

If you do get a chance to contact Jack and get his dimensions, they also will be very similar.

Still want them?

Yup your the man.. Those be the ones. Now where did you get them, under what brand name ,do you have a part number and can you deliver them to my front free of charge :rasta:

I definitely still need them! This weekend I checked True value HD and they did not have the correct size and checked my 4 local parts stores and they did not carry them and could not find them.

Great pic Zuk. I wonder if the ones pictured from Home Depot are the correct thickness? They are the correct diameter. Home Depot part #0-30699-79648-9

Originally posted by RSQJEEP
I definitely still need them! This weekend I checked True value HD and they did not have the correct size and checked my 4 local parts stores and they did not carry them and could not find them.

Great pic Zuk. I wonder if the ones pictured from Home Depot are the correct thickness? They are the correct diameter. Home Depot part #0-30699-79648-9



They will go out this AM.

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Thanks!

Originally posted by mrblaine
I measured the metric rings I am partial to, and they are .058 thick with an inner diameter in the relaxed state of 1.090.

If you measure the stock clips from a Spicer 297x, I think you will find some surprising similarities.


Ok so you found the elusive snap ring.. Very cool, mind telling us where you got them, and maybe a PN?

And to be sure I'm getting this right.. the Metric rings you found are 1.473 thick (.058) ?

Originally posted by bronco78


Ok so you found the elusive snap ring.. Very cool, mind telling us where you got them, and maybe a PN?

And to be sure I'm getting this right.. the Metric rings you found are 1.473 thick (.058) ?

First off, I did not find them. I did tell the original poster where to get them though.

The dimensions have not changed since I posted them above. However, when I measure them with my metric verniers, they come out to exactly 1.5 mm.

Jack's phone is still the same and I am fairly certain it is still hooked up. Barring that, Metric specialties has them under part number M-30 as a 471 style retention ring, at 818-848-6696.

Originally posted by mrblaine


First off, I did not find them.


Hmm, you wrote "I measured the metric rings I am partial to"

If you did not find them how is it you have them??? Did somebody just leave them on your door one night?
I made the assumption from your post you actually had some, and to have position of something, that must mean you found (found, received, was given, located, obtained) the part someplace, which prompted me to ask where you found them.. Was it really that confusing to you....?

I did tell the original poster where to get them though.

You did? in what post? You said "If you do get a chance to contact Jack and get his dimensions, they also will be very similar."
Was that your way of answering the question asked??? Where did you get them? Or your way of telling others where to get them?


You also wrote I measured the metric rings I am partial to, and they are .058 thick with an inner diameter in the relaxed state of 1.090.

You say they were metric, and show measurements in inches.
So I asked you to confirm.. Was it that big a deal for you to confirm what you had.

This was not my post to start with, but I had a lot of interest in it as up until now (or maybe still) no one has found the correct clips other than though axle makers,, and they want a lot for um,, the clips come from some supplier, and if we could find that supplier, the price will drop from several $$ each to under a dime. I was thinking after reading your post, you had some relevant info to that end,, I see now you either do not, of have decided it is your secret to keep. Thanks for help. If by some chance I mistook your last post, and you really were not trying to be a smart ass, then forget it.. Must just be the way I read it.

Originally posted by bronco78


Hmm, you wrote "I measured the metric rings I am partial to"

If you did not find them how is it you have them??? Did somebody just leave them on your door one night?

Actually that is closer to reality than anything else. A couple of years ago, a buddy handed me a sack of them when he discovered I could not locate ones that fit the way I wanted them to. Sort of the same dilemma you find yourself in.


I made the assumption from your post you actually had some, and to have position of something, that must mean you found (found, received, was given, located, obtained) the part someplace, which prompted me to ask where you found them.. Was it really that confusing to you....?

No, not really that confusing. It was the part about "you da man", and then the request about free delivery. That makes you come across as a smartass to my way of thinking. I did put up the dimensions. What else did you really need?


You did? in what post? You said "If you do get a chance to contact Jack and get his dimensions, they also will be very similar."
Was that your way of answering the question asked??? Where did you get them? Or your way of telling others where to get them?

I answered the question below, and then was surprised to see it cross posted. I really wasn't talking to you directly.

http://forums.jeepsunlimited.com/ubb/Forum41/HTML/005204.html

You also wrote

You say they were metric, and show measurements in inches.
So I asked you to confirm.. Was it that big a deal for you to confirm what you had.

You either (a)post bs yourself and highly suspect others of being the same, (b) can't read, (c) are very easily confused.

No matter how many times you ask, the dimensions just don't change. Why should I confirm something you just read? That's like saying that I can't read a vernier, stupid, or don't know the difference between metric and inch scales. I'm not smart enough to convert metric or inch equivalents of anything. I can post what I just measured though.


This was not my post to start with, but I had a lot of interest in it as up until now (or maybe still) no one has found the correct clips other than though axle makers,, and they want a lot for um,, the clips come from some supplier, and if we could find that supplier, the price will drop from several $$ each to under a dime. I was thinking after reading your post, you had some relevant info to that end,, I see now you either do not, of have decided it is your secret to keep. Thanks for help. If by some chance I mistook your last post, and you really were not trying to be a smart ass, then forget it.. Must just be the way I read it.

There you go again with the "maybe still" crap. Do you really have to doubt everything you read?

I put of the dimensions of the clips I am sending RESQ, I put where I got them from. I have been using these same ones for a couple of years and to me they work great. I like to run a clip that fits the groove better. That would be these.

When Jack was having trouble getting the fit he wanted for his joints, I gave him a sample of mine to give to his suppliers. He copied the stock spicer caps with his dimensions and found that the clip I gave him worked to his satisfaction.

Jack gets his from a totally different place than I get mine. I would take that to mean there are several suppliers of them.

So, so far, I have posted the dimensions, given you my background, looked up both the address and part number from Metric Specialties, looked up their phone number, sent clips out to a guy, and you think I am a smartass. Oh well, can't please everyone, but I can tell you where to get clips that fit.

Originally posted by mrblaine


There you go again with the "maybe still" crap. Do you really have to doubt everything you read?



Mostly yes.. LOL
But I see know you were not being a smart ass, I was just being dense...LOL

After a PM or two I understand where you were going with this. Thanks for the hook up

Metric specialties has them under part number M-30 as a 471 style retention ring, at 818-848-6696.

I'll be calling in the morning.