I need some help from someone that has been there!
I'm running 35's with a spring over in a YJ and dont really have enough clearance. I have since added 2" lift springs to get the clearance, now I'm bending the springs. Do I need to add to the spring bump stops to control the amount of travel of the axle, or maybe just some really good springs that can take the flex?
thanks for any help

use the search function!!!!!!!! there are about 4 gazillion post on that

Trim the body 7 put TJ flares on.

Lift springs shouldn't bend more tha stock ones. You can put a slightly taller shackle, (1 inch longer than stock), lift the body an inch or two, or trim the fenders. with 35s you shouldn't really rub with a soa. just needs a little tweak

How are you bending them? Front ones on curbs? :rolleyes: Is it wrap? More info is needed here than I bend springs :flipoff2:

Hey I can take the Flaming, but this is an offroad jeep! It hasen't seen any curbs since 1994!

I had axle wrap on the rear axle, it kinda put a "S" bend in the springs. But I made a traction bar that seemed to stop that! Now since I put the 2" lift springs on the front axle it seems like it has more articulation than the stock springs with 2" shackles. They look like they have just compressed too far, they have an reverse arch right over the spring perch, and I have even made extra long anti wrap spring perches. I think the springs are just too soft or I need to restrict some of the travel.
thanks for any help

What springs are you using?

Number of leaves per pack?

Overload leaf?

Spring rate?

Amount of travel afforded by your current shock set-up?

Vehicle?

Power Plant?

Shackle length (hole to hole)?

These are some specifics that would help people to answer your question and help you. You should expect to get flamed and called a "curb squirrel" when you post a question like "I'm bending springs, help"

You curb sqirrel newbie:flipoff2:

the reason you are bending springs is you are over compresing them. If you woulda fixed the problem of tire rubbing right the first time you woulod have no issues. You just need some proper bumpstops. I don't know what it is but most people think bumpstop is a dirty word. You only need to let the spring go up a few inches before it hits the bumpstops to get lots of travel and extend your spring life (alot of people will tell you replacing springs every year is just part of the game) your just trying to avoid negative arch on the spring, some negative is fine but too much leads to bent springs.

bigdude this is to answer your questions:
What springs are you using? Rancho #44050
Number of leaves per pack? 3
Overload leaf? 1 (that is right where they bent at the end of th overload leaf)
Spring rate? "Your guess is as good as mine rancho dont publish that"
Amount of travel afforded by your current shock set-up? 14"
Vehicle? 92 YJ
Power Plant? stock 4 liter
Shackle length (hole to hole)? stock (4" center to center)
and to answer a few questions that you forgot to ask:
1)it is red with a few dents and scratches
2)and has a CB radio too
3)with a homemade sun top
4)and uses 30 weight motor oil
LMAO
I may be a curb sqirrel newbie
but you are some kind of jerk that probably could not help anyway
I will be awaiting your response

curb sqirrel newbie

Originally posted by jmancuso
I may be a curb sqirrel newbie
but you are some kind of jerk that probably could not help anyway


curb sqirrel newbie

Ummmm, you obviously havent been lurking here long enough. Dont come to our house and throw rocks ass hole, everyone here is trying to help you, and razzing you along the way. Either thicken up and drop the attitude, or we wont try and help you at all. I agree now knowing where and how your bending springs, you need bump stomps. simple as that. But bigdude is DEAD ON. You cant come here and say, "I am bending springs....help" and expect to not get a little teasing. Lighten up or go somewhere else for help. :flipoff2:

ya most people on here are jerks anyway.. and if you need help everyone has to say somthing stupid inreturn.. its great that we all try and help out but theres no reason for teasing.. its lame and will not get you anywhere..
for the spring bending its simple bigger bumb stops and/ trac bars.
just make em.. i had the same prob.. but then i went to the rancho 2" with trac bars all goody from there.

Originally posted by JeeperMan1
ya most people on here are jerks anyway.. and if you need help everyone has to say somthing stupid inreturn.. its great that we all try and help out but theres no reason for teasing.. its lame and will not get you anywhere..
for the spring bending its simple bigger bumb stops and/ trac bars.
just make em.. i had the same prob.. but then i went to the rancho 2" with trac bars all goody from there.


ahhh isnt that just cute..... one newbie stickin up for the other..... lets all hold hands now and sing a song :barf:


this is the style of the pbb.... if your pretty pink panties get all bunched up from some razzing..... go to another friggin board... geeeeeze.... whaat is with this world... all these over sensitive crybaby momma's boys.......

Originally posted by jmancuso
bigdude this is to answer your questions:
What springs are you using? Rancho #44050
Number of leaves per pack? 3
Overload leaf? 1 (that is right where they bent at the end of th overload leaf)
Spring rate? "Your guess is as good as mine rancho dont publish that"
Amount of travel afforded by your current shock set-up? 14"
Vehicle? 92 YJ
Power Plant? stock 4 liter
Shackle length (hole to hole)? stock (4" center to center)
and to answer a few questions that you forgot to ask:
1)it is red with a few dents and scratches
2)and has a CB radio too
3)with a homemade sun top
4)and uses 30 weight motor oil
LMAO
I may be a curb sqirrel newbie
but you are some kind of jerk that probably could not help anyway
I will be awaiting your response

curb sqirrel newbie

All of the info that BigDude requested should have been in your first post. Sort of tough to offer any help when we dont have that information.

You should go back to SUA! Get revolvers too! :rolleyes:

JeeperMan1 & jmancuso why don't you both read Keiths sig line and then go fuck yourselves :flipoff2:

jmancuso you must not know shit about suspension set-up or 4-wheeling if you can not realize why I wanted to know that information. You just look really stupid with you smart-ass/dumbass reply about questions I forgot to ask.

I was trying to help before but now I realize you're just a little fuck who doesn't know shit about what he's doing. Here's why I asked you those questions curb squirrel

1) spring use- cheap springs by shotty manufacturers like "rough country" and others don't work well in SUA let alone SOA so that could've been part of the problem.

2)number of leaves per pack- With fewer leaves you create different forces. 3 leaves will be 1 of two things, really stiff or really soft. This can hinder or emphasize wrap. The lack of intermediate leaves will not help to provide a balanced spring rate throughout flex.

3) Overload leaf can help to reduce wrap, OR with a soft spring it can actually cause the soft springs to flex around the overload, wearing them quickly and ruining them.

4)spring rate- related to my previous explanations

5)Amount of travel- limiting up-travel will reduce over flexing your leaf which may not be designed to accept and live through negative arch. This can be determined by #1 which will tell whether or not the spring chosen can take a negative arch.

6)vehicle/powerplant- how prevalent would wrap be vs. just overloading a spring with weight, power, etc.

7)Shackle length- to small and it'll limit droop and compression which will cause your spring to bend funky if it wants to compress but your shackle won't let it move.

You see dumb motherfucker I was trying to help you. God damn you're an idiot. People like you really piss me off. My point was that you need to be specific with you question and provide details, but you in all your newbiness decided to show your ignorance by assuming I was just a "jerk" and trying to razz you. Again I say fuck you to that and fuck you again for showing how you think someone is being a jerk when they are only trying to get information to help you. Of course you're going to get smacked and bashed for asking a vague question, it's the nature of the site. Get used to it. And get used to eating your own words if you pop off to people who were trying to help you like they don't know what they are talking about.

Here's what I think is your problem bitch (besides your attitude). With a 4-banger (I know because I have one) you should not be wrapping springs much (if at all). This leads me to believe your problem to be spring related. I don't think a spring with 3 leaves can hadle the forces dealt to while off-road (in SOA on a Jeep) and this is definitely contributing to the failures. A 3-leaf spring will not provide as progresive of a rate throughout flex as say a well balanced 6-7 leaf spring will. Increased resitance is needed as an arched spring flattens (assuming it's arched) in order to keep it from popping into negative which will usually destroy an arched spring over a short time. Bump-stops can combat this also, which is why I asked you about shock travel (which I meant up/down separately). Now with a overload leaf and a 3 leaf pack I'd wager that the leaves can flex around the over-load and cause wear, increasing the probability of wrap and bent springs. With shackles that are too short to accomodate for the spring, well, the spring has to go somewhere, so it will wrap. I'm not just saying that the shackle has to push all the way forward/backward and parallel to the ground to be too short. As the shackle pushes forward the resistance the spring incurs to move the shackle changes. Relative axle position as well as spring rate (if it's really soft as it appears to be) can cause the spring to wrap instead of pushing the shackle out. A longer shackle can cure this by reducing the associated angles.

Oh but I forgot I probably couldn't help anyway so I'll stop. Right on there dumb fuck.:mad3:

Originally posted by JeeperMan1
ya most people on here are jerks anyway.. and if you need help everyone has to say somthing stupid inreturn.. its great that we all try and help out but theres no reason for teasing.. its lame and will not get you anywhere..
for the spring bending its simple bigger bumb stops and/ trac bars.
just make em.. i had the same prob.. but then i went to the rancho 2" with trac bars all goody from there.

Go to JU - they're nice over there:rolleyes:

Originally posted by bigdude
JeeperMan1 & jmancuso why don't you both read Keiths sig line and then go fuck yourselves :flipoff2:

jmancuso you must not know shit about suspension set-up or 4-wheeling if you can not realize why I wanted to know that information. You just look really stupid with you smart-ass/dumbass reply about questions I forgot to ask.

I was trying to help before but now I realize you're just a little fuck who doesn't know shit about what he's doing. Here's why I asked you those questions curb squirrel

1) spring use- cheap springs by shotty manufacturers like "rough country" and others don't work well in SUA let alone SOA so that could've been part of the problem.

2)number of leaves per pack- With fewer leaves you create different forces. 3 leaves will be 1 of two things, really stiff or really soft. This can hinder or emphasize wrap. The lack of intermediate leaves will not help to provide a balanced spring rate throughout flex.

3) Overload leaf can help to reduce wrap, OR with a soft spring it can actually cause the soft springs to flex around the overload, wearing them quickly and ruining them.

4)spring rate- related to my previous explanations

5)Amount of travel- limiting up-travel will reduce over flexing your leaf which may not be designed to accept and live through negative arch. This can be determined by #1 which will tell whether or not the spring chosen can take a negative arch.

6)vehicle/powerplant- how prevalent would wrap be vs. just overloading a spring with weight, power, etc.

7)Shackle length- to small and it'll limit droop and compression which will cause your spring to bend funky if it wants to compress but your shackle won't let it move.

You see dumb motherfucker I was trying to help you. God damn you're an idiot. People like you really piss me off. My point was that you need to be specific with you question and provide details, but you in all your newbiness decided to show your ignorance by assuming I was just a "jerk" and trying to razz you. Again I say fuck you to that and fuck you again for showing how you think someone is being a jerk when they are only trying to get information to help you. Of course you're going to get smacked and bashed for asking a vague question, it's the nature of the site. Get used to it. And get used to eating your own words if you pop off to people who were trying to help you like they don't know what they are talking about.

Here's what I think is your problem bitch (besides your attitude). With a 4-banger (I know because I have one) you should not be wrapping springs much (if at all). This leads me to believe your problem to be spring related. I don't think a spring with 3 leaves can hadle the forces dealt to while off-road (in SOA on a Jeep) and this is definitely contributing to the failures. A 3-leaf spring will not provide as progresive of a rate throughout flex as say a well balanced 6-7 leaf spring will. Increased resitance is needed as an arched spring flattens (assuming it's arched) in order to keep it from popping into negative which will usually destroy an arched spring over a short time. Bump-stops can combat this also, which is why I asked you about shock travel (which I meant up/down separately). Now with a overload leaf and a 3 leaf pack I'd wager that the leaves can flex around the over-load and cause wear, increasing the probability of wrap and bent springs. With shackles that are too short to accomodate for the spring, well, the spring has to go somewhere, so it will wrap. I'm not just saying that the shackle has to push all the way forward/backward and parallel to the ground to be too short. As the shackle pushes forward the resistance the spring incurs to move the shackle changes. Relative axle position as well as spring rate (if it's really soft as it appears to be) can cause the spring to wrap instead of pushing the shackle out. A longer shackle can cure this by reducing the associated angles.

Oh but I forgot I probably couldn't help anyway so I'll stop. Right on there dumb fuck.:mad3:

Yeah Bigdude, its obvious you dont know what you are talking about. Glad you stopped helping when you did. :flipoff2: ;)
Since he cant figure out the search button let him figure it out on his own.

Originally posted by JeeperMan1
ya most people on here are jerks anyway.. and if you need help everyone has to say somthing stupid inreturn.. its great that we all try and help out but theres no reason for teasing.. its lame and will not get you anywhere..
for the spring bending its simple bigger bumb stops and/ trac bars.
just make em.. i had the same prob.. but then i went to the rancho 2" with trac bars all goody from there.

WTF?! :crybaby2: You need to get some thicker effing skin! I generally go by the only dumb question is the one not asked rule, but on this board, HOW F$CKING EVER, that means including the RELEVANT information, so folks can help! Leave it out, wear your flame suit.:mad3:

Take ANY 2.5" spring into a NEGATIVE arch enough times and it will fail, either SAG or BEND. A 3 leaf spring has ALL kinds of issues as it cycles through a compression cycle... Read what Bigdude wrote, then read it AGAIN.

Got dayummmm.

I just read this thread again and all I can say is I'm still pissed
:D

jmancusonofabitch- suck my $ack a$$wipe

There that's a little better

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Getting better:D

First of all i am not a newbie.. a newbie to this site yes.. but i have been wheeln far more times then most of you shit talkers. i would out wheel you shit talking wheeler possers in reverse. You shouldnt get upset because an 18 year old kid is better than you.. have some respect for the people trying to make their rigs better.. i would bet the newbies have better rigs then all of you shit talkers anyways. considering most of you just throw gheto stuff on.. ive seen lots of these "pirate" rigs. and you lil shit talkers rigs there all gheto ugly peices of shit. u know whattt and what kind of guy uses the word CUTE???(badassjeepguy ) your a fag!! hahaha "its cute" hahha whata flamer.. and "bigdude" your prob this dudes butt buddy partner! and then we have "rkcrawl" you need to make some sence what was all that jibberish about??
im just gonna sit here and wait for your lame replys cuz i know you have nothing better to do then argue your stupidity..
thanks for wasting all our time..:flipoff2:

Bigdude---he's an aggie. College Station is definitely the a$$hole of Texas. Just so you don't think we're all like that. Better be careful or he might start whooping at ya.

Originally posted by JeeperMan1
First of all i am not a newbie.. a newbie to this site yes.. but i have been wheeln far more times then most of you shit talkers. i would out wheel you shit talking wheeler possers in reverse. You shouldnt get upset because an 18 year old kid is better than you.. have some respect for the people trying to make their rigs better.. i would bet the newbies have better rigs then all of you shit talkers anyways. considering most of you just throw gheto stuff on.. ive seen lots of these "pirate" rigs. and you lil shit talkers rigs there all gheto ugly peices of shit. u know whattt and what kind of guy uses the word CUTE???(badassjeepguy ) your a fag!! hahaha "its cute" hahha whata flamer.. and "bigdude" your prob this dudes butt buddy partner! and then we have "rkcrawl" you need to make some sence what was all that jibberish about??
im just gonna sit here and wait for your lame replys cuz i know you have nothing better to do then argue your stupidity..
thanks for wasting all our time..:flipoff2:


:rolleyes: your an idiot.... age wont make a difference.... you still be an idiot when older! :rolleyes:

Hey Jeeperman1, maybe you should try reading the Newbie Bible (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1223) before whining about attitudes around here.

If thats too hard, I'll point out a couple that are pertinent:

38. If you are a spineless dweeb that thinks that our style is crass and unfair, or that we are a bunch of insensitive, insulting, cheap bastards that would laugh our asses off at your missfortunes as you went through the box on the 'con. You're right. Develop thick skin, and an ability to dish it out, or go away. Remember this is the dark side.

59. if you get your panties in a bunch from our ****ing attitude........leave!

Some of the more sensible advice on this thread was to trim the body and run a flatter spring, raise the bump increase the bump stop size after if you need too. 2.5" lift springs for 35s are OVERKILL.

What part of

Take ANY 2.5" spring into a NEGATIVE arch enough times and it will fail, either SAG or BEND. A 3 leaf spring has ALL kinds of issues as it cycles through a compression cycle... Read what Bigdude wrote, then read it AGAIN.

didn't you understand?:rolleyes:

First of all i am not a newbie.. a newbie to this site yes.. but i have been wheeln far more times then most of you shit talkers. i would out wheel you shit talking wheeler possers in reverse. You shouldnt get upset because an 18 year old kid is better than you.. have some respect for the people trying to make their rigs better.. i would bet the newbies have better rigs then all of you shit talkers anyways. considering most of you just throw gheto stuff on.. ive seen lots of these "pirate" rigs. and you lil shit talkers rigs there all gheto ugly peices of shit. u know whattt and what kind of guy uses the word CUTE???(badassjeepguy ) your a fag!! hahaha "its cute" hahha whata flamer.. and "bigdude" your prob this dudes butt buddy partner! and then we have "rkcrawl" you need to make some sence what was all that jibberish about??
im just gonna sit here and wait for your lame replys cuz i know you have nothing better to do then argue your stupidity..
thanks for wasting all our time..
You're bashing us "shit talkers" but then you do the same, nice contradiction :rolleyes: But I'll play your little game and make you look like an idiot just like all the other newbies who try to talk it and get smacked on this site.

First off I'd like to ask you if you could dispute any of the tech I relayed in my previous post:question: Probably not. Now I was wondering if you already knew all the tech in my previous post:question: Probably not. Even if YOU did, I don't think jmancuso did, so fuck off. Even though I could've said things in a nicer, more "JU"ish tone, I still offered him plenty of tech support/advice for his problem. The fact that I took the time to explain some suspension to him is showing plenty of respect, no matter how I say it, so why don't you "insert foot into mouth" and keep reading, bitch.

Now I guess I have a "Pirate" rig because I'm on this site and others from here helped me figure out the build-up. I'd like to know what is "ghetto" (it's spelled with 2 "t"s slick) about a HP60 (that means high-pinion Dana 60 incase you weren't sure) and a 14 bolt. Both of these are completely rebuilt like new, have Detroit Locker's, and 5.13 gears. If you don't know much about axles- these are both about the strongest "from the factory" axles ever built, ghetto aren't they. Oh yeah, I guess Detroits are "ghetto" too, aren't they newbie? I also have 32 bolt beadlocks, those must be ghetto and that's why they are so cheap and readily available as used goods. Oh wait, they're not. Guess you're wrong again huh newb's.

Now I recall.... You also called me a poser, well for that I'll offer you thishttp://www.patooyee.com/ERoCC'02/ERoCC'02Sat800x600/DSC00166800x600.jpg That's me in the blue shirt. I spotted and our team finished 5th in ERocC (Eastern Rock Crawling Championships) this past April- it was our first comp. I guess that makes me a poser huh newbie- right on dumb fuck:rolleyes: I'm sure you could've done better, right? Considering the 4 who beat us all run RCAA and two of them are consistently top ten, I doubt it.:rolleyes:

Let's hear about this grand rig you're driving Mr. 18 yr old. the one that could outwheel myself and everyone on this site in reverse. If you're that good why aren't you doing competitions:confused: You could be raking in the money left and right since you're that good:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

You should really do your research before you start talking sh!t about how you could "outwheel" people and how your rig is "better". Also, not to sound cocky, but you are not better than myself or anyone else on this site. I think I disproved all your accusations and statements so you should probably only respond with an apology for your ignornace.

:rant on:
You're just a stupid motherfucker who stumbled onto the wrong site to whine and cry about treatment. Go somewhere else or stay and shut the fuck up. You won't get far in life with your attitude and if you act this way to others inperson just prepare for a few beatings. Take it from one of your peers, as I'm only 23, that this attitude you are diplaying won't get you anything in life, except the occasional beating. I used to see your type all the time back when I was a bouncer in college, young and cocky always comes in last in the bars, in a job hunt, and in life.
:rant off:

I'm awaiting your response directed toward me. I'm however warning you that I will once again disprove all points and accusations you make. That is if you choose to be a fuck.

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Gawdamn that was entertaining. Thanks bigdude ;)

Note to self........................dont piss in BigDude's wheaties. :D That boy can type! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude

You're bashing us "shit talkers" but then you do the same, nice contradiction :rolleyes: But I'll play your little game and make you look like an idiot just like all the other newbies who try to talk it and get smacked on this site.

First off I'd like to ask you if you could dispute any of the tech I relayed in my previous post:question: Probably not. Now I was wondering if you already knew all the tech in my previous post:question: Probably not. Even if YOU did, I don't think jmancuso did, so fuck off. Even though I could've said things in a nicer, more "JU"ish tone, I still offered him plenty of tech support/advice for his problem. The fact that I took the time to explain some suspension to him is showing plenty of respect, no matter how I say it, so why don't you "insert foot into mouth" and keep reading, bitch.

Now I guess I have a "Pirate" rig because I'm on this site and others from here helped me figure out the build-up. I'd like to know what is "ghetto" (it's spelled with 2 "t"s slick) about a HP60 (that means high-pinion Dana 60 incase you weren't sure) and a 14 bolt. Both of these are completely rebuilt like new, have Detroit Locker's, and 5.13 gears. If you don't know much about axles- these are both about the strongest "from the factory" axles ever built, ghetto aren't they. Oh yeah, I guess Detroits are "ghetto" too, aren't they newbie? I also have 32 bolt beadlocks, those must be ghetto and that's why they are so cheap and readily available as used goods. Oh wait, they're not. Guess you're wrong again huh newb's.

Now I recall.... You also called me a poser, well for that I'll offer you thishttp://www.patooyee.com/ERoCC'02/ERoCC'02Sat800x600/DSC00166800x600.jpg That's me in the blue shirt. I spotted and our team finished 5th in ERocC (Eastern Rock Crawling Championships) this past April- it was our first comp. I guess that makes me a poser huh newbie- right on dumb fuck:rolleyes: I'm sure you could've done better, right? Considering the 4 who beat us all run RCAA and two of them are consistently top ten, I doubt it.:rolleyes:

Let's hear about this grand rig you're driving Mr. 18 yr old. the one that could outwheel myself and everyone on this site in reverse. If you're that good why aren't you doing competitions:confused: You could be raking in the money left and right since you're that good:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

You should really do your research before you start talking sh!t about how you could "outwheel" people and how your rig is "better". Also, not to sound cocky, but you are not better than myself or anyone else on this site. I think I disproved all your accusations and statements so you should probably only respond with an apology for your ignornace.

:rant on:
You're just a stupid motherfucker who stumbled onto the wrong site to whine and cry about treatment. Go somewhere else or stay and shut the fuck up. You won't get far in life with your attitude and if you act this way to others inperson just prepare for a few beatings. Take it from one of your peers, as I'm only 23, that this attitude you are diplaying won't get you anything in life, except the occasional beating. I used to see your type all the time back when I was a bouncer in college, young and cocky always comes in last in the bars, in a job hunt, and in life.
:rant off:

I'm awaiting your response directed toward me. I'm however warning you that I will once again disprove all points and accusations you make. That is if you choose to be a fuck.


ba hahaha..... you sure you didnt leave anything out? i think you should quit holding back and tell him how you really feel.... :D

btw do you want me for some spotting in june? let me know

Originally posted by JeeperMan1
First of all i am not a newbie.. a newbie to this site yes.. but i have been wheeln far more times then most of you shit talkers. i would out wheel you shit talking wheeler possers in reverse. You shouldnt get upset because an 18 year old kid is better than you.. have some respect for the people trying to make their rigs better.. i would bet the newbies have better rigs then all of you shit talkers anyways. considering most of you just throw gheto stuff on.. ive seen lots of these "pirate" rigs. and you lil shit talkers rigs there all gheto ugly peices of shit. u know whattt and what kind of guy uses the word CUTE???(badassjeepguy ) your a fag!! hahaha "its cute" hahha whata flamer.. and "bigdude" your prob this dudes butt buddy partner! and then we have "rkcrawl" you need to make some sence what was all that jibberish about??
im just gonna sit here and wait for your lame replys cuz i know you have nothing better to do then argue your stupidity..
thanks for wasting all our time..:flipoff2:

:laughing: :laughing: now thats a good one hooder

Hooder that was :Cartman's voice: sweeeeeeeeet

BAJG that just might have to happen, we'll see. Niki is now moving down here in 3 weeks so she'll have the opportunity to get some seat time in the Jeep before the next competition. I think it'll be fun for her if she just decides to go for it. i still want her to drive the Jeep all done up like she's going out, people will keel over:D

maybe his arms got so big by typing all these long posts

You guys crack me the F*** up!!
Bigdude, you must either be a typing teacher or an "anger management" instructor;)

I think Newbies,of which I am one currently, should have their own area where the more seasoned veterans can go and answer their stupid questions if they want, oh that's right there is a JU already. Why can't some guys understand that this is a hardcore sight with hardcore tech and the owners want it that way. It is like making Saks Fifth Avenue carry K-mart items just to make the wussies happy that they are shopping in Saks.

Originally posted by chico
Bigdude---he's an aggie. College Station is definitely the a$$hole of Texas. Just so you don't think we're all like that. Better be careful or he might start whooping at ya.


hey dumb fuck, before you go spoutin off your mouth, there are people who reside in the Bryan/College Station area that are not Aggies. I also sence a little envy....aTm wouldnt let you in or what???

Anyone who thinks College Station is the "A$$hole of Texas" obviously hasn't been to Lubbock.

:rolleyes:

hey dumb fuck, before you go spoutin off your mouth, there are people who reside in the Bryan/College Station area that are not Aggies. I also sence a little envy....aTm wouldnt let you in or what???

I would watch who you call dumb fuck. ALL of the off road people at A&M measure there manlyness by the size of their tire and "A&M OFF ROAD" stickers. Not by how well they can wheel, which most can't, or by what they know. Probably because most don't know shit. That would also explain why all the "rigs" there are either jury rigged or broken because they were jury rigged. I should know I have been there more than I care to admit.

Everyone out there is worried more about the "mud pit" and how loud there trucks are, (not to mention how much bigger their rear tires are than their fronts) than about real rock crawling. Even somone who did not have a clue about rock crawling clould tell that you are in way over your head. So you better cut your losses, tuck your tail and move one.

Originally posted by waterlogged


I would watch who you call dumb fuck. ALL of the off road people at A&M measure there manlyness by the size of their tire and "A&M OFF ROAD" stickers. Not by how well they can wheel, which most can't, or by what they know. Probably because most don't know shit. That would also explain why all the "rigs" there are either jury rigged or broken because they were jury rigged. I should know I have been there more than I care to admit.

Everyone out there is worried more about the "mud pit" and how loud there trucks are, (not to mention how much bigger their rear tires are than their fronts) than about real rock crawling. Even somone who did not have a clue about rock crawling clould tell that you are in way over your head. So you better cut your losses, tuck your tail and move one.

:rolleyes:

Yet another hardass newbie trying to impress by jumping in on a bashing.

First off, I'm one of those "off road people at A&M", or was until I graduated. I'm responding to this because of your fondness for using the word "all" when making statements about a group of people you obviously know little about, despite your claims.

I'm not going to justify your "manliness" comment by responding to it. As for "jury rigging", not all of us have the money to run off to Avalanche to get a pre-fab kit for installing full-width axles. Furthermore, some of us just plain like fabricating and working on our rigs. They say that necessity is the mother of invention, or in this case modification. Per my experience, the folks in our club who are fabricating their own stuff are doing it for one, or both of the aforementioned reasons.

Out of curiosity, why did you respond to this post? What part of "4x4 Tech Talk" don't you understand? It's not a very difficult concept to grasp, even to a newbie. It obviously wasn't to share any relevent tech info, since in the11 total posts (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=145869&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending) that you've made to this board you've shared NO technical info WHATSOEVER. Why have you been to College Station "more than you care to admit?" Judging by your spelling, grammar, and attitude you're not a student, so why frequent a place that you don't care for?
Regarding your "mud pit" comment, not everyone is into rock crawling. Why are you so concerned that some people enjoy mudding? You seem to spend a whole lot of time worrying about people you claim to not like, why?

I apologize for adding non-tech info to a tech forum, however I felt that I needed to respond to this here. Please delete this when waterlogged's response is deleted.

Originally posted by waterlogged


I would watch who you call dumb fuck. ALL of the off road people at A&M measure there manlyness by the size of their tire and "A&M OFF ROAD" stickers. Not by how well they can wheel, which most can't, or by what they know. Probably because most don't know shit. That would also explain why all the "rigs" there are either jury rigged or broken because they were jury rigged. I should know I have been there more than I care to admit.

Everyone out there is worried more about the "mud pit" and how loud there trucks are, (not to mention how much bigger their rear tires are than their fronts) than about real rock crawling. Even somone who did not have a clue about rock crawling clould tell that you are in way over your head. So you better cut your losses, tuck your tail and move one.

hmmm...i dont see how we measure our "manlyness" by the size of our "tire" and TAMOR stickers. There is only one size sticker(3" tall) and most of us have more then one tire....usually four or five. what do you consider to be "jury rigged" on some of our vehicles?

your right pal...nobody in TAMOR knows anything about rock crawling. i mean we only have one guy that goes to the BFG ProRock series every chance he gets. every well respected club that has "true" wheelers, has way more then that.

why dont you tell us how many places you have been to? where you do all your wheeling?

we had ver 150 members in out club this past year. there is a group of about 25-30 people who only do rocks. i personally wont put my jeep in the mud, tears too much shit up. i would put any of these 25 vehicles up agienst what ever you might have or dream of having, any day of the week.

let me clear up the big tires in the rear little tires in the front for you....those are mainly farm trucks. they have the bigger tires in the rear cause they dont have 4wd. to qoute you, "even somone who did(should be does) not have a clue about rock crawling clould tell that you" that on a 4 wd vehicle the front and rear tires must match(unless of course you are using different gear ratios).

in conclusion, dont base your judgments on a group of people that you dont know. your probably in the same boat as "chico"....aTm wouldnt let you in so your all pissed off....

waiting for your reply....

For those implying that I was not accepted into A&M.... I never even applied there, so I don't know. Since I graduated from Baylor, I have a pretty good feeling that I would have been accepted to a school which is not as selective.

Whoop!

you went to school in Waco and you are saying that College Station is the Asshole of texas...:laughing: :laughing: ....

:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Um, yes:flipoff2: and that's not all I said. Plus the girl to guy ratio was something like 2:1 at Baylor. That kind a thing probably doesn't matter much to an Aggie though.

Oh, and I remember seeing some of your TAMOR buddies on a trail in Hewitt. I remember they had some cool lightbars on their rigs. Are those requirement to join your club?

I went out wheeling with some guys from A&M at the Slab. Couple bad ass rigs. Jimmy's was cool, the yellow CJ5 was bad ass.

Originally posted by chico
Um, yes:flipoff2: and that's not all I said. Plus the girl to guy ratio was something like 2:1 at Baylor. That kind a thing probably doesn't matter much to an Aggie though.

Oh, and I remember seeing some of your TAMOR buddies on a trail in Hewitt. I remember they had some cool lightbars on their rigs. Are those requirement to join your club?

I used to have a light bar....I broke it on a tree. Does that make me a softcore wheeler? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by chico
Um, yes:flipoff2: and that's not all I said. Plus the guy to girl ratio was something like 2:1 at Baylor. That kind a thing probably doesn't matter much to an Aggie though.

Oh, and I remember seeing some of your TAMOR buddies on a trail in Hewitt. I remember they had some cool lightbars on their rigs. Are those requirement to join your club?

You like going to a school where there are two guys for every girl...seems kinda :rainbow: :rainbow: to me...:flipoff2: :flipoff2:...There are plenty of girls to chose from here. Atleaste half the school is female i am sure...you could do a sensus yourself but it might take a while seeing how there is ~50,000. If all you base your college choice upon its guy:girl ratio, you are not smart enough to go to college anyway


as for the light bar....i cant recall anyone that is actually active and does stuff with the club who has one. there may be some sticker boys(mall crawlers) that have them but not the TAMORites that actually wheel.....

Originally posted by attachcurrie
I went out wheeling with some guys from A&M at the Slab. Couple bad ass rigs. Jimmy's was cool, the yellow CJ5 was bad ass.

Was that about a month or so ago....i was unable to make that trip cause my jeep is in Dallas at the moment. What do you drive out there? Are you there often? I think we have made like 6 trips out there in the past year. Of which i made 4 of them. It is a fun place to wheel and have fun. Last time i went, at the end of the summer, i burnt up the tranny in my jeep, roommates jeep got swamped in about 6' water, ripped a bumper off a built K5, and the list goes on and on.

Jimmy's scout is pretty fawkin cool....he has done more to it since it was at llano last. he has the front sprung over, high steer, and a few other things. The Yellow CJ-5 you speek of is Jason Larman's(he goes by YellowCJ on this BB) . It is SOA on 2.5" springs, full widths, and 36's. he was using stock axles but laid it on its side so he decided it was too narrow...:D :D ....