Turn out for Stock Modified class has been low the last few events and one of the driver commitie members wanted me to find out why. Is it the rules? Are the events too far away? Is the entry fee too much? Worried about body damage? What gives?
I competed in the Las Cruces event last november at the biggest Stock Modified showing (27 competitors) and took 5th in my beater toyota. It was a blast, and I am going to attend the last 2 events of the season. So why not come out and play?

IMO SAS toyotas need to be allowed and also straight axle rangers that came with ttb. Just make it that if a torsion bar truck was converted it needs to run leaf springs and if a coil sprung truck was converted it must retain coils.

restrictions on tire size (35") and must retain stock body panels is what knocked us out

EDIT: I think it should be a trail rig class, alot of trail rigs would like to compete, but get pushed into the unlimited class competing with the competition rigs.

One good thing about the ProRock vs. the Calroc is that body panels are not of concern. As long as you have functioning signals and lights, windsheild and wipers, you can hack as much as you like:) This includes bed removal (like mine) and fendewell tubbing (like mine), both of which keep me out of the Calroc competitions:(

Tire size number one. I like the idea of trail rig class, maybe penalty points for certain mods. Even the field but still allow guys that are less serious to run in an event.

Gopar where you at in Concord, what do you drive?

Joe

Wheelbase restriction is too tight, can't change much and stay within 2" of stock, especially with a zuk. Lots of other basic lifts for other rigs change wb more than 2".

I woulda been there, but prioritys change. I like the rules the way they are because my rig fits into them. But I agree a Toy with a straight axle swap should be allowed. but I guess the line has to be drawn somewhere.

Entry Fee is too high for me right now. I just can't manage $350 for a single event. In UROC there is a $100 series fee and then $125 per event. Calrocs has the $200 series fee and $200 event fee. Hopefully in the future I will be able to swing the $350, but its not going to happen in time for the Cedar City event.

come AWN guys.... you really don't see Jeff Gordon trying to get NASCAR to change the rules to suit HIS needs...... Mod stock has certain rules set so that anyone can pick up a rig and compete. If you start allowing SAS on this, well then you should allow Chevy springs on this. If you allow that, then you should allow long arm kits on TJs. If you allow that, why shouldn't coil overs be allowed on TJs? See where it's going? MODIFY YOUR RIG TO THE CLASS, not the other way around. If you wanna compete in the mod stock class, why not dump your chevy springs and slap a set of All Pro (or whatever) stock length (or within 2" of stock) springs? What's the big deal?

I personally have competed in the stock-mod class all year, and I really enjoy it. I think it's great how the low buck rigs have a place to compete and have a chance to win. Jeff Mellow drives the biggest POS Jeep (sorry Jeff! :D ) and he is at the top right now. So conform your rigs to the rules, and get out there and compete, and quit :crybaby: :crybaby2: .

Too far away for me.
I'd like to see a street legal, daily driver class

Originally posted by Lance

I personally have competed in the stock-mod class all year, and I really enjoy it. I think it's great how the low buck rigs have a place to compete and have a chance to win

I'm trying to avoid having to compete against you, that's the problem. :vader:

I agree with Lance. Modify your truck to suit the class. I entered the Warn event in Las Cruces with a spotter I had only been wheelin with once. I built a basic CJ that I only have $6800 into. We had a blast, and ended up winning. We haven't done another event since, but we are doing the UROC in Cedar City. Their entry fees are a little lower, and it is much closer too us. I like the idea of the Super Crawl in Farmington. I should allow people from all over to compete in one huge event, with big coverage, and maybe good payout. After this event we are going to build a purpose built Stock Mod. rig, and compete the whole next season.

OK dammit I'll bite.

Seems to me that it's a daily driver class :D:flipoff2:

Let me finish gathering up every ones olds leftover from upgrades parts. and I'll drive my fawking XJ to an event, compete then drive home again.
Not promising I'll do very well but hey what do you expect from a polock driving a worn out soccer mom sled:flipoff2:

Joe, Josh, Mark and the other East Bay locals lets GET IT!
If I fawk my daily driver up I Guess I can always finish the wiring and exhause on the baja bug to get myself to work.

I think its a combo of two things for me, I really want to do some comps but they are to far away, I do not know of anything like them here Oklahoma. I think a daily driver class would be sweat. There are a few events here in OK but the ones I know of require 44" or bigger tires.

Originally posted by Monkeyboy
OK dammit I'll bite.

Joe, Josh, Mark and the other East Bay locals lets GET IT!
If I fawk my daily driver up I Guess I can always finish the wiring and exhause on the baja bug to get myself to work.

We're going to Hollister on May 18 & 19. Come awn down. There's plenty of trouble you can get into. We are planning to run the Tank Trap Sat morning:D

I'm leaving Friday afternoon for Reno and CalRocs, you wanna come:question:

isloth


your in luck because pro rock is coming to your neck of the woods.

camo,
Do you have link or anything that I can look over and get some details? I have always wanted to some comps, but I have not looked really close because none of the events are around here. But from what your saying this sounds pretty cool.

I think the website is www.sportsintherough.com for info on prorocks, will be in Cass AR in June,

nope no more cass it has been moved to disney, oklahoma they let us know at the last one in farmington so change your plans its now in oklahoma
adam

thats even better,

sure is:vader:

Joe, I am in north concord off willow pass, I drive a 85 celica (the truck became a trailered rig last year). What's your story?

And I agree with lance, I just removed my all-pro rear springs :( to install much shorter wrangler springs to fit within the rules. I'll give up a little in the trail runs, but it is worth it to be in competition. As far as Jeff Mello is concerned, he has yet to beat me;) (hi jeff) of course he has never had his jeep stay together for one of our runs. We will see in September.

I have a problem with the wheelbase issue and money. My jeep is registered as a '47 CJ2A, but sits on a CJ 7 Frame. Would be great with a 7 title, but it has the 2a body(kinda). Other than that, no money.

I'll just cheer BrianE on.

Erin

I did my first comp ever in Farmington and had a BLAST!
I didn't have to compete against the large local RRCA congent but did get to compete against several of the best rigs mounted with 35's in the country, including those including those from Currie and JPOffRoad, etc.
And the very best thing was that the Stock Modified rules allowed every competitor the level playing field chance of coming out on top including those right off the street like mine.
This is what we've been waiting for!

Lance, I agree with you as far as changing your rig to fit the rules, but this post came about by Bob Hazel talking to a commitee member about low number turnouts in stock mod and he wanted to know why. What was the count? 14 in Farmington and 11 in J.V.? Prior to that there were 27 in Las Cruces, what gives? Why are there so many less people?

I had a blast last Nov spotting and cant wait for Sept. Once you compete you are hooked.

Ryan

First of all, in Jeff's defense, that CJ is the top of the line, race built, fully custom high dollar POS!!:D

Ok Doug, how about, SAS, only is you are still using basic suspenion design? IE coil springs, and radius arms.:) Its not like I went from torsion bar to leaf, or something like that..... right?

Brian--

Yea, whats the deal? Just because i took the effort to do a sas, that means i have to compete along side a sniper? *funny thing, why is it that not a single sniper has one a compitition?*
Seems a little off to me. BII/Rangers with a sas are little more than an EB. Toy's with sas are simply a pre indipendednt suspension Toyota with a better body. So whats the deal? My friends sammy is now some custom rock rig because his suspension lift has streached the wheelbase?
Sorry fellas, but this is a little off imo..

i think you should be able to move the wheel base around a little bit more then whats allowed. this whole sas thing, i think it should stay as it stands. theres nothing 'stock' about cutting off the entire front suspension and fabbing up a new one. as for flat beds, i think that should be fine, i see people driving them all the time around here. also, if you really want to make it interesting, have it to where you have to have the rig registered and insured -not sure if it's like that alright, but if it isn't it should be-

Originally posted by dychen
you have to have the rig registered and insured -not sure if it's like that alright, but if it isn't it should be-

Stock-mod rigs must be registered, insured, and have working windshield wipers, blinkers, brake lights, headlights, etc.

Basically, I say STICK WITH IT. It'll happen. This is more or less the same thing that has happened with most other motor sports, and eventually the stock modified classes came to be more popular than the unlimited classes.

This comes from someone in no position to compete, because I'm about as far away from California as you can get and still be in North America, but basically I think this WILL catch on, once people see it as a series, rather than run them as single events.

I think what is happening now is that most people who build rigs for competition very quickly go past the point where they qualify for stock modified. Which means that at each event what you really get IS people using/contemplating using DD rigs for competition - and let's face it, most people are not going to risk such a rig in roll over ready competitions.

This was the same thing that happens at club level racing. The stock classes are supposed to encourage people who want to run their street driven bikes in a road race, but guess what? Not many people want to risk their street rides on a race course.

Eventually what happens is the stock modified classes get enough exposure that people start viewing them as legit classes with season long series and top notch drivers to compete against. When that happens, then people will start building competition machines for that class and those rules, strictly racing machines, and then the series takes off. Usually this happens when a major name or sponsor puts the resources in to run the whole series in pursuit of a season long championship.

So basically I'm saying that the problem is that the competitive folks are modifying past stock mod rules, and the potential stock mod people are unlikely to risk their prized rigs on competition courses. You need a series which is seen as a national season long series with serious competitors taking part to get more people building specifically for those rules, and that will come with time.

Just my 2c.

I don't see the tire size being a problem. You just need to be a better driver with 35's(I'm assuming thats the limit). I huess I can see it where you guys with bigger tires probably don't want to fork over money for smaller tires. A friend of mine just ran his FJ-40 through Moab, Lower and Upper Hellderado on 35's and he normaly run's 38's. So I'm even more convinced it's driver and not tires size.

For some of you guys worried about wheelbase, look into UROC. Their rules mention nothing about wheelbase or spring length for the stock mod. class.

http://www.uroc.rockcrawler.com/whats_new.html

They also allow "measured" 36" tires. I think this will eliminate a few problems (Currie/Goodyear).

OK what gives, UROC and CalRocs teamed up:question:

Is CalRocs now using UROC rules, or the originalCalRocs rules? Does this mean my 36's might be legal in CalRocs stock mod :shaking:


Joe

I have been wondering the same thing. I want to know how they will be doing the Super Crawl at the end of the year if the rules are different for each orgainzation. I talked to Craig, the head guy of UROC, and he said " measured 36" tires are legal" they will be measuring them at 12psi with a caliper. In the Super Crawl will the UROC guys get 36's and the Prorock's, Cal Rock's etc.. have to run 35's?????

I think that this post got a little of subject..... Fact of the matter is, all of us who don't fir the rules for stock mod, either run trophy class, or build a new rig....... plain and simple.

I just like to complain...............:D

As for not competing, thats my excuse, guess I have an excuse to build a new rig now, right?:D

Brian--

Brian(uglyranger), give Bob Hazel(Pro Rock) a call and tell him that you would switch to 35s if he would allow a Ranger SAS. I believe he should allow it for two reasons.

1. Your factory Dana 28 wouldnt even hold up to 31s
2. Your still driving a Ranger and the rest of us have nothing to worry about.:D

So get off your butt and call him.

Ryan

So if my Toyota is registered as an '85 and just happens to run a SAS '86 frame is it leagal, assuming it meets all of the wheelbase and other rules? I think a SAS clause only makes sense in the interest of attracting more participants,as fewer and fewer straight axle vehicles are being produced.

I agree, stick with it too....
I am signed up for the womens event - stock modified- I could probably put a set of 37" MTR tires on my rig, and the new low price is tempting, but I am not, mainly for the reason that it would disqualify me. I think it gives a nice threashold for folks to build their rig by. .Actually is probably saving me $$$

I know Calrocs, URoc, Erocc, and the new Neuroc has classes similar, and I'm glad to see that. I might end up bowing out of the womens event to go to the Neuroc event because it is a lot closer, and I'd want to support the (almost) local event, as I can't do both since, the Paragon Neuroc event is supposed to be in Sept. also. BUT if they didn't have stock-modified, I wouldn't be entering either.

Originally posted by Lance
come AWN guys.... you really don't see Jeff Gordon trying to get NASCAR to change the rules to suit HIS needs......

Sure he does, they all do. most everyone in motorsports does.
The SAS issue is pretty much a Toyota thing from what I have read. It gives '86 and newer Toyotas a considerable disadvantage for that class. So why not try to get the rules changed? With the huge increase in the popularity of Toyota minis why not make a small rule change to help level the playing field, to draw more participants?

I plan on looking for a rig next winter to build for this, already have the engine and tranny (302, np435) and will get the rest of the junk out of my current rig. Is there any rule about body swaps (i.e. can I put a 92 body on my 83 frame and run it with a solid axle?) There is no way I can get any trail rig out here with a solid axle that has a usable body besides a Heep, and those are wider and heavier then I want. And if any of you who are bitching about not finding solid axle trucks anymore shut your traps, every year it seems my brother pics one up for $100 (no joke) seems like perfect vehicles to build into a comp rig. As soon as I figure out a way to build one with my budget I will be driving that bitch the 1600-1800mi out west

Because I'd get my ass kicked.

Sounds like sas ok would help, but it really sounds like the class just needs to stay alive for another year while everyone gets there crap together.

I wanted to compete until I found out that my truck which meet all of the requirements but one the body parts, I went from pickup bed to modified flatbed, wouldn't allow me to and I would have to move up to the next class level. So I'm out until I modifiy enough to compete with that group.

I would like to run pro rock in the next couple of years.
Location is one thing, like NE ROKTOY, west coast - east cost is quit a drive. Oklahoma/Indiana events are probally my target.
$$$$$ - 350 is quit a bit, especially when you start adding fuel to tow to these events.

Think its calrock?? that you even have to have axle/trans/engine that came with that year/type of vehicle. I think thats a cool idea, keeping a jeep a jeep, a toyota a toyota sort of thing.

With Pro Rock, I'd like to see more of the results at events, such as - who won, what were they running (vehicles/mods). This would give me a better idea on what to bring to be somewhat competitive.
Well thats my 2 cents.

YJFISH, Out.

Originally posted by gopar68
Sounds like sas ok would help, but it really sounds like the class just needs to stay alive for another year while everyone gets there crap together.

You are thinking of Calrocs, Pro rock does not care about the bed and inner fender wells. Thats why we dont run Calrocs even when it is in our back yards.:(

Ryan

I'd trailer my shit down there someday to compete in a Stock Modified class, hell I'd even borrow someone's 35s to put on for it. Too bad I got a SAS huh? I still run leafs and a Toy axle so I don't see what kind of advantage I'd have over any other solid Toy that's going to enter but I'm not trying to start another argument here I was just answering the question. :flipoff2:

And now for a question of my own: buggy leafs. Allowed / not allowed? :D

not allowed.

www.sportsintherough.com has the rulings

After being a spotter in the Farmington event, our first event, here is my opionin:

Turning brakes and beadlocks should be outlawed from the Stock-modified class just like rear steer.

This was an unfair advantage to the people who couldn't afford them. This class should be more closely based on driver skill and not how much money you have.

Just my .02