I'm working on a small personal arsenal, that is small but practical that can be taken with quickly and easily if need be. I figure it should consist of 2 handguns, 1 shotgun and 1 rifle of decent stopping power.

I's like some recommendations to fill those 4 requirements, along with ammo. Remember, only those 4. :)

I firmly believe the shit is going to hit the fan on our soil in a huge way in the next 18 months, the terrorists are laughing with glee right now after that botched election we just had.

I dont know, but how do you plan on carrying them? 1 large hard case?

I thought about this, back with the SHTF thread. Most guns are in the safe, but which ones do you leave out? Why? Are they "in the open" or in cases? Are they stashed?

Lots of strategy to be had here!

I dont know, but how do you plan on carrying them? 1 large hard case?

I thought about this, back with the SHTF thread. Most guns are in the safe, but which ones do you leave out? Why? Are they "in the open" or in cases? Are they stashed?

Lots of strategy to be had here!

Safely stored but easily accessible. Those are more considerations.

Rifle- FN-FAL
Shotgun- Remington 1187 special purpose
Hand guns- Thompson auto ordnance 1911A1 and Kimber Combat Commander
That's the cream of my safe. I have lot's of other stuff, but if my family was in danger, one of the above would be my first grab.

handgun #1 - Ruger .22 revolver or semi, 1911-style .45ACP, or SIG 9mm
handgun #2 - Blackpowder cap-and-ball pistol
shotgun - Remington 870, or blackpowder shotgun
rifle - FN FAL, Remington 700, or blackpowder flintlock rifle

I mention blackpowder arms because ammunition WILL eventually be very scarce. You can make your own bp easily enough, and there should be plenty of lead available in the form of wheel weights and whatnot.

An AR-15 will fit the bill for the rifle, and there are many accessories for it as well. It has plenty of power, even when chambered with the 5.56mm (roughly .223 cal) ammo.

Mossberg makes good shotguns, and they are inexpensive as well. A 12 guage with slugs or buckshot (don't use birdshot as it doesn't have much if any stopping power) will work wonders.

I am partial to Smith & Wesson handguns since I live 10 minutes from the factory and go to the range there on a semi-regular basis. Their pistols chambered in .40 SW have almost the same stopping power as a .45 ACP and the ammo is cheaper. They have a wide selection of revolvers as well, including the 500 Magnum, but that is total overkill.

Look at your firearm choices this way:
A rifle should be adequate to take down large game at a realistic range

A shotgun should be adequate for taking small game close up

A handgun should be adequate for trying to get a replacement rifle or shotgun if need be

OK I'll give it a stab:

Shotgun:
Remington 870 12ga. 20" bbl modded with extended mag tube, Weaver rail-type scope mount & red-dot sight (Trijicon or Aimpoint) and self-lit ghost-ring sights.

Handgun/Rifle combos:
Ruger P944 pistol - PC4GR carbine (.40 s&w) or P89/P95 pistol - PC9GR carbine (9mm) Add self-lit sights to both. These use common magazines. Pick who you want to "borrow" ammo from... the cops or the troops.

Ruger GP100 revolver - Winchester 94 Trapper in .357 Mag... or Super Redhawk Alaskan - Winchester 94 Trapper in .44 Rem Mag... both combos are "old school" but effective.

Odd .22 rimfire handgun:
Ruger 22/45 auto (or Bearcat revolver if you are allergic to self loaders.)
I'd lose the fancy adjustable sights, and add self-lit "dot" sights. Also would thread the barrel for a muffler.

Fullywhackodude: "A handgun should be adequate for trying to get a replacement rifle or shotgun if need be" EXACTLY RIGHT

I firmly believe the shit is going to hit the fan on our soil in a huge way in the next 18 months, the terrorists are laughing with glee right now after that botched election we just had.

So, is this arsenal for waging a one man war on the terrorists or for survival in the middle of nowhere until the poo is cleanly wiped from the fan? That would have a slight impact on the guns I'd choose...

So, is this arsenal for waging a one man war on the terrorists or for survival in the middle of nowhere until the poo is cleanly wiped from the fan? That would have a slight impact on the guns I'd choose...
I'd reckon the latter is more realistic... so you'd better suggest the former for Mr. Orc.


edit: :flipoff2: (don't want to sound like too much of a dick)

Remember that old saying, K.I.S.S.? Keep It Simple, Stupid...

4 guns, two calibers.
.38 special and 20 guage shotgun (bear with me here)

Your choice of semi-auto pistols or revolvers, whatever you are most comfortable with. Easy enough.

Winchester 94 lever-action .357 rifle, shoot .38's in it. Good human-stopping power, small size, can carry lots of rounds. Keep several bandoliers full & handy (one on the bedpost even). 9mm is smaller but then you are dealing with 3 different rounds & personally I trust a half-ass aimed .38 to stop someone versus a 9mm.

20 ga. pump shotgun. Why not 12 ga? Because the shells are considerably smaller thus taking up less room/weight to carry more ammo with. Slugs, buckshot, and don't forget some bird shot for small game = food. If you run low/out of shells just obtain a 12 ga. from one of those poor bastards that tried to take your stuff.

#5 gun is heavier caliber rifle. If you need long-range shots, 30-06 will do the trick and bulk ammo is not a problem.

[QUOTE=0ILBURNER]9mm is smaller but then you are dealing with 3 different rounds & personally I trust a half-ass aimed .38 to stop someone versus a 9mm.[quote]
.38spl and 9mmP are essentially ballistic twins.

I already have three of the four.

I have a double barrel stroeger shotgun: 12 gauge Would be better as a Rem 870 12 gauge
Ruger P345 .45 ACP Stopping power
KelTek p3at .380 Auto Best in concealability
and I need:

A M4 or M16. parts and ammo are plentiful

.38spl and 9mmP are essentially ballistic twins.

Little more to it than ballistics for me. Majority of the cops I have known would rather use a .38. (Actually I use .357 but I was recomending .38 for ease of carry)

.357 magnum revolver/.45LC single action revolver
.357 lever action rifle/.45LC lever action rifle
12 guage shotgun, Mossberg or Remington for durability
30-06 bolt action rifle, remington, Winchester


30-06 is cheap and readily available as surplus ammunition, makes sniping game or terrorists a breeze

getting your handguns in the same caliber as your rifles is a smart move. the lever action rifle was the assult rifle of the old west.

revolvers for durability and functionality, it is hard to jam one

i plan on staying put when the shtf so i can keep more arms with me:D so anybody know how to make a tin foil hat???

Don't forget to get a single stage reloading press and dies for the appropriate calibers, along with a bullet puller; you can easily make workable ammo from whatever you find that your firearms can't eat.

A freind of mine used to have a revolver that would shoot .357 .38 .380 and about five different types of 9MM. both rimmed and rimless cartridges. It had a wire retainer in the cylinder to catch the rimless cartridges.

Remember that old saying, K.I.S.S.? Keep It Simple, Stupid...

4 guns, two calibers.
.38 special and 20 guage shotgun (bear with me here)

Your choice of semi-auto pistols or revolvers, whatever you are most comfortable with. Easy enough.

Winchester 94 lever-action .357 rifle, shoot .38's in it. Good human-stopping power, small size, can carry lots of rounds. Keep several bandoliers full & handy (one on the bedpost even). 9mm is smaller but then you are dealing with 3 different rounds & personally I trust a half-ass aimed .38 to stop someone versus a 9mm.

20 ga. pump shotgun. Why not 12 ga? Because the shells are considerably smaller thus taking up less room/weight to carry more ammo with. Slugs, buckshot, and don't forget some bird shot for small game = food. If you run low/out of shells just obtain a 12 ga. from one of those poor bastards that tried to take your stuff.

#5 gun is heavier caliber rifle. If you need long-range shots, 30-06 will do the trick and bulk ammo is not a problem.


Glad someone else was thinking Model 94. If it was good enough for the old west, it is good enough for survival times.

Like the 20 ga. thinking also.

Gun number 5 for me would be a .45-70 though.

so you'd better suggest the former for Mr. Orc.


:confused:

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I think that Mr. Orc could take a few terrorists. :p

There are two reasons you'd need guns in the middle of nowhere, SHTF situation: self defense and procuring meat. A .22 would probably work for 90% of the latter.
Someone mentioned duplicating rounds between pistol and rifle, and I'm not big on shotguns myself. So for game, a Ruger 10/22 and Mark II pistol with a lot of .22 hollow points. Cheap, reliable, accurate. The whitetail are small enough around here they can(illegally if you care about that) be taken with a .22. It's quiet enough you won't attract attention, especially if properly equipped. ;) For larger bore, a .44 mag chambered Win. '94 and .44 revolver would work. In a lot of areas the .44 mag is not a long enough range caliber though.

side note- some .22 bolt and lever action rifles can take L, LR, and short so a few boxes of short would be nice for being especially quiet. :D

edit: .22 revolver in place of Mk II would be good- Ruger Single six can change drums from .22LR or .22mag.

.22lr revolver
.38/.357 revolver
.38/.357 lever action
12ga pump

I used to be a firearms enthusiast, even did a little shooting that got me ranked on a national level... a little hunting that put some meat on the family table... a little protective work that kept our stuff in our yard, and the neighbor's dog out (back, 6 feet under...).

Now, I've seen the error of my ways, and I've melted down ALL my firearms to feed starving pygmies in India. I'm a good citizen and I know that I'm being taken care of by the good people that run our good country.

Their personal bodyguards will take care of everything should any untimely event come to pass that might require the use of those nasty old baby/cop/student/Amish/goat/Communist killing guns.

I'm SO thankful that I've now learned the error of my previous ways...

I'm a gun addict, and my name is Guy..."

"HI GUY!"


:barf: :goofball: :nuke: :trooper: :skull:

I used to be a firearms enthusiast, even did a little shooting that got me ranked on a national level... a little hunting that put some meat on the family table... a little protective work that kept our stuff in our yard, and the neighbor's dog out (back, 6 feet under...).

Now, I've seen the error of my ways, and I've melted down ALL my firearms to feed starving pygmies in India. I'm a good citizen and I know that I'm being taken care of by the good people that run our good country.

Their personal bodyguards will take care of everything should any untimely event come to pass that might require the use of those nasty old baby/cop/student/Amish/goat/Communist killing guns.

I'm SO thankful that I've now learned the error of my previous ways...

I'm a gun addict, and my name is Guy..."

"HI GUY!"


:barf: :goofball: :nuke: :trooper: :skull:

I'm in a similar boat. I turned all my guns in at a 'gun buy back'. I feel so free, safe, and enlightened now. May Pelosi reign forever!

A pistol is for close quarters self defense. Why do you need two?
They are great for CC. If you are considering anarchy I'm ditching the pistol and losing that weight for mobility or extra ammo capacity.

The purpose of a pistol is to shoot your way to safety. Meaning you are going to engage anything that is between you and where you are headed over a very short distance.
It can also be used to engage someone and take their rifle.
You are not going to "hold any ground" with a pistol.

I'm running under the assumption that you want to have enough for 2 people. I'm adding a second rifle to the mix because I think it makes sence.

Handgun1: Glock 17, 18 rounds total and reliable/easy to use
Handgun2: Revolver, what ever suits your taste but probably in .357 or .44
Shotgun: Remmington 870 express, simple reliable
Rifle1: Ar-15 or FAL, I wouldn't go with an eastern bloc weapon just for the looks (see my sig)
Rifle2: .22 mag or .17 hm2, probably a bolt gun. These are your best bet for staying fed as a good shot will drop just about anything.

Rifle: AR15 (I prefer Colt for a SHTF gun), SBR (14.5" barrel), kac RAS or equivalent forearm, surefire light if necessary, whatever optics, RDIAS if you can afford it :)
Lots of mags!

Shotgun: Remington 870p 12 gauge, speedfeed short LOP stock OR Benelli M1s90

Pistols: USP .45f tactical w/ suppressor, USP 9 SD w/ suppressor (if you prefer 9mm to .45)
Back up Pistol: USP .45c or USP 9c (keep calibers same as your main pistol)

matching calibers is nice, but not really practical I would think. The different firearms are used for different things and a pistol caliber wont be very effective even in a rifle for anything but light hunting.

I'd stick to calibers that are very common and easy to find at your dead neighbors, off of military folks or left over at the pilaged gun shop/walmart

I like my mildly build 1911 with 5 10rnd mags and comp'd 686 .357. Both are easy to shoot, easy to get ammo for and are reliable and have great stopping power.

A 20ga is lighter and you can take more rounds per pound, but the 12 ga is more prevelant and ammo is easier to get. You can hunt with shot or slugs and defend yourself well with it. Take along a spare long bbl to swap in for hunting and run the 20" for defense.

If you need a 4th, a rifle would be nice. If in an urban setting, an M4/M16 type would be best as again, ammo is likely to be available. If no autos are available a scoped 308/30-06 would be great for sniping. For a rural setting a scoped 308/30-06 would allow you to hold back the offenders at a farther distance easier.

My intention with guns was to do the same thing, this is what I have so far

USP45 with 4 mags
Sako 308 rifle
Benelli M4 shotgun
Two AR-15 lowers that I'll be building up when I have the money
And a SIG P226 9mm that I will be selling and buying two cheaper 9mm's instead

I think I'm very well prepared for anything that goes down in my area. This is Los Angeles, so I doubt the fire fight will ever get that big.

My advice Brad, get fewer but higher quality toys.

matching calibers is nice, but not really practical I would think. The different firearms are used for different things and a pistol caliber wont be very effective even in a rifle for anything but light hunting.



Theres a reason the .44-40 was popular in the 19th century out west... ;)

D.

...And a SIG P226 9mm that I will be selling and buying two cheaper 9mm's instead...[snip]

My advice Brad, get fewer but higher quality toys.
Your brain cells are just completely fried, man.

Your brain cells are just completely fried, man.

I know mang, but I can't afford to buy several P226s, and I want several 9mms as hand-outs..

I want several 9mms as hand-outs..
My previous statement is reinforced here.

My previous statement is reinforced here.

You think having a small collection of cheaper weapons to give to friends/trusted people in case of shtf is a bad idea? :confused: I kind of thought arming a few folks would be good..

You think having a small collection of cheaper weapons to give to friends/trusted people in case of shtf is a bad idea? :confused: I kind of thought arming a few folks would be good..
All my friends already have their own arsenals :D

1 9MM pistol(glock in my case)
2 large caliber revolver (44 mag S&W)
3 mossberg 590 pump action
4 remington 700 in 30-06...
i'll be able to take nearly anything on the continent, and defend my family...

A couple responses in my "Comunal (-SP) Defense" thread mentioned bows & arrows. How about a crossbow? Could you take a whitetail deer down with a homemade crossbow bolt? Ignorant minds want to know! :D

Deer and wild game are a short term supply.
Better buy, barter, steal goats, chickens, and rabbits.

The great depression already showed us that.
There is an old guy in Preston County WV that said something to the effect of:
"Well, when that depression hit we saved our livestock for sale - it was the only we had to generate cash/barter. So we started shooting deer. When they were gone we went to squirrels, rabbits, grouse, and turkey. When they were gone we started shooting ground hogs. I swear I ate so much ground hog growing up I was expecting one day to take a crap and see it run off under a rock."

So while wild game will be a short term supply, it will go quick because everyone will after it.

I can take out a white tail with the home made bumper on my jeep...... it kinda looks like a bow if you squint... does that count?

What I take to work everyday.

Walther p22 on the ankle.
Sig P220R on the right hip.
Remington 870 With 00 Tactical buck in the shotgun rack.
FN M16 A4 with 5 30 round mags of 62 grain ammo and one mag of 60 grain tracers.

If you are really hard core about it get some body armor.

What I take to work everyday.

Walther p22 on the ankle.
Sig P220R on the right hip.
Remington 870 With 00 Tactical buck in the shotgun rack.
FN M16 A4 with 5 30 round mags of 62 grain ammo and one mag of 60 grain tracers.

If you are really hard core about it get some body armor.

I'm assuming your LE? Why the P22 on the angle and not a Glock 26/27 etc?

I wanted something that I could easily add a silencer to. The P22 came with the threaded barrel. I liked the gun for something fun and cheap to shoot. I also wanted something that was double action then single action with a manual safety as well.

Benelli M-4
.45 and 9mm
DPMS Panther Arms .308 or .223

A pistol is for close quarters self defense. Why do you need two?
They are great for CC. If you are considering anarchy I'm ditching the pistol and losing that weight for mobility or extra ammo capacity.

The purpose of a pistol is to shoot your way to safety. Meaning you are going to engage anything that is between you and where you are headed over a very short distance.
It can also be used to engage someone and take their rifle.
You are not going to "hold any ground" with a pistol.

Pistol=portability, that's my reasoning.

If you are really hard core about it get some body armor.

Have that. I'm not a newbie to guns either, but have never thought about them in the survival sense, hence my posting this thread.

A pistol is for close quarters self defense. Why do you need two?.
A back up is always good to have

between this statement
They are great for CC. If you are considering anarchy I'm ditching the pistol and losing that weight for mobility or extra ammo capacity..

and this one, it almost seems you are arguing against yourself, a (kinda IMHO)good reason to not bring a pistol, and a good reason to have one
The purpose of a pistol is to shoot your way to safety. Meaning you are going to engage anything that is between you and where you are headed over a very short distance.
It can also be used to engage someone and take their rifle.
You are not going to "hold any ground" with a pistol.as for my list, XD.40, XD.45 , my 1911, my bushmaster AR-15 and my olympic arms AR-45 and my mossberg 500 with the long and short bbls.

If you are considering "building an arsenal", get as many guns as you can, without the gumbent's knowledge. Dunno bout the laws where you are, but around these parts, you do not need to register long guns. I buy mine from family members and friends. No paper work.

If you are considering "building an arsenal", get as many guns as you can, without the gumbent's knowledge. Dunno bout the laws where you are, but around these parts, you do not need to register long guns. I buy mine from family members and friends. No paper work.

The whole purpose with this is a "personal arsenal", that is, a small number of guns that will fulfill as many needs as possible. I figured this number as the most manageable, and the types as most versatile. Don't forget, you want to carry as much ammo as you can, and ammo is heavy. Also, you want the ammo to be as available as possible, like mentioned by several others.

BTW, my first thoughts on this before I posted were:
Handgun #1, S&W 357 mag (easy to maintain, and ammo is everywhere)
Handgun #2, ?, possible .40 cal
Shotgun, Mossberg 12ga, 500 series(reliable, and ammo is everywhere)
Rifle, 30-06 of yet to be determined make and model (plenty of stopping power, and ammo is everywhere).

handguns:

A decent milspec GI 1911 is a great fighting sidearm in a proven and easy-to-acquire caliber. The downside is magazine capacity. A Glock 22 has more mag capacity, in a very effective caliber with lower recoil than the 1911, and simpler controls.

Shotgun:

Saiga 12, converted (Tromix offers 20 rd. mags and tac conversions). Remington 870 is a kickass shotgun, and more easily acquired.

Rifle:

FAL, because it's reliable, and chambered for a fullsize rifle round. The AR15 is good because the ammo is cheaper and available anywhere, it's accurate, more compact and lighter than the FAL, and is highly customizable to suit the individual shooter.

Everything ought to have a holster or sling, a cleaning kit, and some extra mag storage. If you have a BOB, spare parts and tools would be a good idea, like extractors, firing pins, etc.

9mm glock or clone.

.22 target revolver

12 Ga pump

FAL

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Whatever is in front!


If I had to take out of the safe and split I would grab my 9mm SBR, 92F vertec, 870, and one of the AR-15's It would be great to take one of the AK's, but I would try to get that off someone later.

1919 would go on my bugout vehicle, and the .50 would not come into play most likely. It's just to damn big!

I'm going to make a suggestion that covers you both ways, shit hits fan or fan remains shit-free. Go find a new in box Mac 11 machinegun in 9mm. There are tons of aftermarket accessories and the gun goes up in value about 20% a year at least. If you need it, it cuts through things like it's a chainsaw. Emptys a 30 round clip in about 2 seconds. Easy to buy a silencer for it, too. You can set it up for slow cycling if you want a little more control over your ammo burn rate. If you don't need it, sell it in a few years and make a big profit. Nothing is more devastating in close quarters fighting except maybe a short-barreled shotgun, and it's much easier to control the Mac.

I'm going to make a suggestion that covers you both ways, shit hits fan or fan remains shit-free. Go find a new in box Mac 11 machinegun in 9mm. There are tons of aftermarket accessories and the gun goes up in value about 20% a year at least. If you need it, it cuts through things like it's a chainsaw. Emptys a 30 round clip in about 2 seconds. Easy to buy a silencer for it, too. You can set it up for slow cycling if you want a little more control over your ammo burn rate. If you don't need it, sell it in a few years and make a big profit. Nothing is more devastating in close quarters fighting except maybe a short-barreled shotgun, and it's much easier to control the Mac.

ummm buddy, one problem.

the Mac-11 is chambered in .380 :rolleyes:

oh ya and unless you put a rate reducer on that bitch I would not recommend it for "close quarters fighting"

A MAC-11 is a worthless fighting weapon, unless you're fighting Crockett and Tubbs.

I hope they've upgraded those pos (m-11) they jammed, you dropped one and it was done. What, if any, organizations use them?

I hope they've upgraded those pos (m-11) they jammed, you dropped one and it was done. What, if any, organizations use them?


None that I know of. Mine was a jamomatic POS, no matter what ammo I fed it.

None that I know of. Mine was a jamomatic POS, no matter what ammo I fed it.
We had some on loan for the CPP teams running Glasers what a giant CF that was.

A MAC-11 is a worthless fighting weapon, unless you're fighting Crockett and Tubbs.

I want a nickle plated 20ga pump :laughing:

I want a nickle plated 20ga pump :laughing:

Damn, now I want to play Vice City. :D

The truth is that about 300 zombies are gonna crash your place, rape your wife and kids, and take all your stuff anyway... You'll run out of time to dust them all before they overwhelm you with sheer numbers.

Better to shut up and learn how to live off the land in a place out of reach from the neighbors.

If the excrement ever hits the rotary air-moving device, we're all screwed anyway. We're WAY to dependent on stuff like electricity, gasoline, locks on doors, grocery stores, McD's, etc. First thing to go will be the easy food. Right after that things like gasoline, electricity (and cars). No pack animals around, and any that are around will be hamburgers before they're of use.

Some folks know a little bit about living off the land -- not many... Those that don't will gang up and become zombies. Watch em. Worse still when they're relatives.

Hey Redmist

Your gunsafe looks similar to a good friend's, AR50 and all. That thing is fun. You two have similar tastes. How do you like yours?

Ok, spill the beans....

Who the hell is this? :flipoff2:

Just another gun nut out in New Mexico. Seriously, though, a good friend of mine has one and likes all sorts of fun toys.

Oh...


And


ummm buddy, one problem.

the Mac-11 is chambered in .380


Negatron!



The SWD stamped MAC's were 9mm on the 11 frame.

So a SWD Double stamp such as a powder springs/SWD would have the MAC11A1 nomenclature for the .380 chamber. :flipoff2:

The AR-50 has been great fun, but I have yet to get it past 300 yards. No place found to shoot it without getting bothered. PLUS I have craptacular glass on the top of it right now.

I've only fired his out to 200 yards. His shoulder was screwed up when he got it so he let me shoot it first just to see if he should wait until he healed up or not. He originally had a Nightforce on it but traded that straight across for an AR10 with less than 50rds through it and some crappy scope to put on the AR50. I haven't fired it with the "new" scope yet. He's taken it up to Whitington Center and says that it does well at 1k yards for an unmodified rifle. I think he wants to go out and shoot bunnies this weekend. I might have to convince him to bring it out.

Night force is whats going on it if I can get some funding togeather.


Cash is low right now, and I have 3 different brands of shocks on the jeep! One is a Bilstein though!

I liked the Nightforce.

handgun #1 - Ruger .22 revolver or semi, 1911-style .45ACP, or SIG 9mm
handgun #2 - Blackpowder cap-and-ball pistol
shotgun - Remington 870, or blackpowder shotgun
rifle - FN FAL, Remington 700, or blackpowder flintlock rifle

I mention blackpowder arms because ammunition WILL eventually be very scarce. You can make your own bp easily enough, and there should be plenty of lead available in the form of wheel weights and whatnot.


hey, man, thats a great point, i've never thought of that...what about a thompson center rifle with a bp barrel assembly and a .308 barrel assembly?

might be good to have one gun that can do double duty. not as a defense gun, but as gruntled says, it might just be the gun that is still working...


one thing, though, you'd have to have a supply of 209 primers with the TC rifle...

Flintlocks. No primers needed. However, a whole lot of practice is.

You think having a small collection of cheaper weapons to give to friends/trusted people in case of shtf is a bad idea? :confused: I kind of thought arming a few folks would be good..


i second that, we have family really close by that i would unequivically find and arm...

here's my plan right now

myself (12 guage and mebbe a small last resort handgun, bursa mebbe)
my wife(sp101, when i get it)
father-in-law(mauser 8mm)


i think that would be ok for travelling...not the best to defend a home or shelter, but its pretty good for right now. (now=no money)

Jesus, I bet 3/4 of you are jacking off to Red Dawn right now... :rolleyes:

Anyway (:flipoff2:), I don't see what the need for blackpower weapons is if you have enough ammo for the guns you have. I pretty much agree with other's sentiments...fn fal for the rifle, 1911 for the pistol, and a 20ga pump action. Not much you can't do with that combo.
Now I just need to build an FN...

Glock 30 45cal
Glock 27 40cal
Winchester 1300 defender 12ga pump
SW 38 (for her,as soon as her FBI check goes through, 3 weeks now:mad3: )
Maybe a rifle in the next few months
100+ rounds for each

My vision of SHTF doesn't really see a need to pick off fuckers at 500yds, but close range, protecting my family and stuff. Handguns and a short 12ga will handle that, and can be carried all day long.

couple a newb ??s wtf is a FAL and why 30-06 and not .308 and yea i know this thread is old

FN FAL is the best battle rifle ever made, and it's .308, not 30-06.
Just type FN FAL into google, and click images.

thanks i thought it was slang.

hmmm...
FNFAL
20ga shorty
20ga rem 870
m11a1
p22


yeah, I know, too many...but, I have been playing with a shoulder rig for the mac and a hip holster for the p22, put the 20shorty in with the extra mags and rds and sling the fnfal while carrying the 870 ready to use. once I get to "base" I would drop the bob and go lightweight with the p22(2 extra mags) and the fnfal(2 extra mags) for patrol/food gathering.
keep the mac on a shelf with several extra mags for defensive retreat purposes in case a roving band of zombies managed to get inside the wire.

ummm buddy, one problem.

the Mac-11 is chambered in .380 :rolleyes:

oh ya and unless you put a rate reducer on that bitch I would not recommend it for "close quarters fighting"

and there's also a 9mm doc....i own one..it's made by cobray...

edit i stand corrected.....that would be the mac-11/9 made after the mac-11a1 which was chambered in 380....

also had my dumbass read the rest of the thread i see we already clarified the mac-11 9mm issue...:shaking::flipoff2:

All ya need is a FA coil gun. And a FA .22lr rifle mounted on one of those autonomous sentry devices. Instant portable SHTF kit.

buy as many guns as you can.:mr-t:

and stock up on ammo for said.:homer:


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also had my dumbass read the rest of the thread i see we already clarified the mac-11 9mm issue...:shaking::flipoff2:

its an old thread :laughing: i had to go back and read the fucking thing :flipoff2:

and the MAC 11/9 whatever STILL needs a fucking rate reducer or tungsten filled everything to not be stupidfast :p

I'm just busting out with a Larue mount and a rubberband gun.

Glock 17 with California Legal 10rd magazines
California Legal AK w/fixed 10rd magazine
870

Proper registration/documents for the above arms. :flipoff2:

and the MAC 11/9 whatever STILL needs a fucking rate reducer or tungsten filled everything to not be stupidfast :p

http://www.max-11.com/

I'm just busting out with a Larue mount and a rubberband gun.

Plus the LT mount will double as an Ax when you need to fell tree's:laughing::laughing:

All you need for protection is a Larue mount, Just wave it around to show all the Zombies how hardcore tacticool you are! :grinpimp: